hey all, i have a bunch of questions bout the honda civics, k... number
1.i see ALOT of aftermarket parts for the civics but here on the forums i dont here that nice things :D well anyways hum.... how should i write this, k, dont bug me if this is hard to understand, k, r the civics actual compation to other cars or r they pretty much all show and not much go?? like if a civic was to race a good car with a decent amount of mods on it would it have a chance?? cause some of the civics look pretty nice and my parents r planning to buy me a car after high school. but since im workin right now im gona pitch in some cash so i dont get sum half dead barley driving thing :D and i was thinking of the civics but i want something that can stand up the compatiton, hope u get what i mean...

Well, here is my opinion on Civics. They are econo boxes, most cars out there are going to beat you stock for stock. The problem with Honda is they have a descent horsepower rating but they have very low torque numbers and torque is a VERY important thing in any type of racing. You want to try to find a car with close HP and torque numbers if you want true performance.

Pick up a nice 94+ mustang v8. That way your already ahead of much of the competition. It takes an awful lot of work and money to make a civic even mach performance numbers with a stock mustang. But, im sure one of the other guys is going to jump on here and say its not true, throw out a bunch of numbers, used civic 1400$ turbo 3000$ ect ect.....
Anyway just my .02

civics are not race cars
theyre like polygon said they are economy cars

look some place other than honda :)

Ok, first things first.

Like polygon said, they are econoboxs. Always have been, always will be. They have fairly decent(although not really all that sporty without an engine swap) Horse Power numbers, however they're torque numbers are PATHETIC. However polygon is incorrect in saying that torque is necesary for most types of racing.

If you want to drag race, then yes. it is the most important thing and without it you'll always lose. If you want to drag race, if your concerned with 1/4 mile times and the such, then don't buy a civic. Period, end of story, it's simply a waste of time and a very inefficient use of both your money and a potentially fast car.

I say a potentially fast car because although civics are absolutely useless(did i mention they're useless?) for drag racing(in other words, civics are absolutely horrible for drag racing). They due hold a fair bit of potential for auto crossing cars. They're lightweight(if you get a hatchback and dont waste money are crap like lights, body kits, stereos, dvd players, etc.) They handle well, and can be made into very fast cars if you learn how to drive properly.

Ya see, polygon was wrong in saying Torque is needed for most races, it's not. The old saying goes, "Horses for courses" in other words, you can make a track car that handles superbly from a civic with out to much work.

However, as for drag racing, then yes, polygon is totally right. Torque wins in the 1/4 mile. And, since torque is created by rotational mass, then plain and simple, the bigger the engine, the more torque you have.

So, if you want to drag race you've got two choices. You can do the smart thing and buy either a domestic(sorry guys, i love japanese cars, but they aren't designed for drag racing.) with a large displacement engine because that is by far the easiest, cheapest and most importantly fastest way to quicker times. Plus, if you do to say a mustang what you'd have to do to a civic to run 12's the mustang would be running 10's. Bigger engines just have more potential.

However, if you want to drag race but are still determined to own a japanese car, get seomthing that's at least 2.0 liters and it has to be turbocharged. Oh yeah, and it HAS, and i cannot stress this enough, HAS to be either AWD or RWD(preferrably RWD, it's just the best plain and simple.) FWD does not work for drag racing, at all. It will actually slow you down.

Now, if you want to be smart, and learn how to drive your car and learn how to really race, then sure a civic would be fine for auto cross and street courses. However, like i've been saying this entire time. If you want to drag race, don't buy a civic it's a complete waste of time and money.

well i got to drive my friend's brand new Civic EX stock

and my Rav4 has much better acceleration, no competition, and i have a almost stock rav4

so id say if youre gonna keep it stock stay the hell away from honda

i say make the little econo box light as shit add a turbo and then you have something competitive


the Si is freaking quick anyway i mean if you be in a european country best go Vti its the Si but with Vti badges and a hatchback and it'll beat the modded hot hatches stock which shows how much hot hatches suck when they aren't really hot..........

If you wanna play The Fast and the Furious and street race then go buy something else like a mustang. If you want a good reliable car with lots of aftermarket support and great gas mileage, go for a Civic. You will spend a lot more money to get a civic into competition then you would an Eclipse GSX or Mustang, for instance. Those cars are already pretty quick. But on the other hand, if you are driving back and forth to school and you want to save on gas, a Civic would be great compared to a "race" car. You also have to take into consideration insurance. Its pretty cheap for a civic, but its gonna be really expensive for a Mustang or any other sports car.

Insurance money cuts into modding money.

Racing tickets REALLY cut into modding money :eek:

and remember that fwd absolutely goes physically anything that involves acceleration

From the sounds of your situation, you should probably get the Civic. Its not going to be a performance car, but it'll keep you on the road saving money until you can buy one.

ya your probably right, think an eclipse is out of the question?? i can probably convince my parents in the purcahse of the car but the insurance and stuff like that will be out of the question, thats up to me, anybody know if the eclipse comes out with high insurance?? and they r good right??

does it have to be a car?

Why not something like a lowered Chevy S-10?

And if you want performance.. look for the V6, its 4.3liters. Has some get up and go, and depending on your preference the 5spd manual or the 4spd auto. (they perform just about the same)

Something to consider:
95 S-10 V6 = 155hp 235ft-lbs of tq
Gas Milege = 18 city 24 hwy
Vehicle weight = 2800 lbs

95 Civic Si = 125hp 106ft-lbs of tq
Gas Milege = 29 city 35 hwy
Vehicle weight = 2300lbs

The truck isnt much heavier... makes more power, and has more potential to go faster. Plus its a truck... sorta a sleeper if you will. Who'd expect a S-10 to take out an unsuspecting Honda? Its something im seriously considering...

Then maybe upgrade to a Supercharged V6 in a 2800lb Platform, and start eating unsuspecting Hondas? You may not win all races, but you'll at least give them something to thing about.

Keep an open mind for a different View.

well the EG civics are slow but the EK civic Si's are pretty quick. even though they're low end is garbage but once that v-tec kicks in. its gone~ well it'll leave my car anyways. lolz but i think i can take on on the 1/8th mile before it have a chance to really gain steam.

nah, im not really into the trucks thing, i think ill be stickin with the honda civic as a starter car, and then hopefully move into sumthing better :D oh ya, i really want it in standerd, is it hard to find a standerd civic??

Get a DSM Eclipse or Talon. They are fairly cheap, can go as fast as you want em to, and still get good gas mileage. They are easy to drive, pretty cheap to maintain... you get the picture. They will make as good of a daily driver as a Civic, but there won't be the shame of driving a Honda Civic.

Remember, it's like Redneck 383 was saying. Take a 2300 lb 115hlp honda against a 2600lb 225 hp DSM... It's a turbo car, so it's easily upgraded and still gets good mileage.

Yeah, I'm turbo and I get an average of about 30-35MPG as long as I don't get heavy on the gas all the time. You should get around the same out of a DSM.

yes get the first gen dsm's. girls think its ugly but the gs-t and the gs-x can be made to go very very very fast.

ya, i was thining of an eclipse also, i look at cars.com and i found a link, u mean this car right??

http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?paId=8619750&aff=national&src=&cid=&row=7

Yes, that car is an Eclipse GSX if you find the exact same car except it has FWD it is the GS-T. Both would be a great choice, there is also the Eagle Talon TSi and the Plymouth Laser RS Turbo. All of these are the same cars with different bodies.

I've always been impressed with dsm's with the awd. I've seen them running 12's off of minimal mods. they run 14's stock, not bad for a 4-banger
I would definately buy 1st gen dsm awd over a civic any day.

Look at all the domestic drivers posts :) Honda haters and stuff obviously. They are just pissed off because you can build a Honda to run 11 second quarters and still get 32mpg. You mentioned an eclipse? Man why would you want an eclipse over a Honda? I drag race on real tracks unlike most of these other wannabe posters. I run a CRX with the ORIGINAL motor in it (88 si) I run 12.3 second quarter miles and everything is still in it. I didn't strip anything just turbo charged it and upgraded a few other misc things on the motor. I also have a 99 EX (pics at www.h22a.com/adam ) that I upgraded a little bit with the stock motor still in it and even though it weighs a lot more then my CRX I still run 15 second quarters. I can smoke all over stock mustangs all day long in it. Hondas are way worth it man trust me. Don't let people mislead you man just because they don't understand how a 4cyl can smoke there big stroker bulk shit 6mpg motor. They have nothing on little compact cars especially Hondas! GL with your decision but I'm totally for the Honda. Go to www.civicland.com and ask them what they think of civics on the forums. They will give you honest feedback.

Good luck with your decision.
sk8ter@mchsi.com email me if you have any questions man.
-Adam
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Somehow that last post reminds me of the 10 ricer arguments thread...

So what have you done with that motor in the CRX? Most have taken some serious internal mods to keep the thing from blowing up :D

Originally posted by civicEX
Look at all the domestic drivers posts :) Honda haters and stuff obviously. They are just pissed off because you can build a Honda to run 11 second quarters and still get 32mpg. You mentioned an eclipse? Man why would you want an eclipse over a Honda? I drag race on real tracks unlike most of these other wannabe posters. I run a CRX with the ORIGINAL motor in it (88 si) I run 12.3 second quarter miles and everything is still in it. I didn't strip anything just turbo charged it and upgraded a few other misc things on the motor. I also have a 99 EX (pics at www.h22a.com/adam ) that I upgraded a little bit with the stock motor still in it and even though it weighs a lot more then my CRX I still run 15 second quarters. I can smoke all over stock mustangs all day long in it. Hondas are way worth it man trust me. Don't let people mislead you man just because they don't understand how a 4cyl can smoke there big stroker bulk shit 6mpg motor. They have nothing on little compact cars especially Hondas! GL with your decision but I'm totally for the Honda. Go to www.civicland.com and ask them what they think of civics on the forums. They will give you honest feedback.

1. Not all domestics have gas sucking 8cylinder engines. :rolleyes:
2. I never said I hate Honda, but stock for stock they aren't that fast compare to a lot of other cars out there.
3. I would love to see 11 second Hondas on stock internals and still get 32mpg, that’s BS!
4. It will take a lot of money, time, and mods to get any Honda running in the low 12s.
5. Big deal, 15s in the 1/4 after all those mods, I'm sorry to say, but that’s sad. And you are probably beating V6 stangs or 4cyl stangs. A GT would hand you your ass.
6. Your site will give an honest opinion? Sounds like a biased one from the looks of it. You and your pals probably don’t' know much about any cars besides Hondas and even your knowledge of them sounds limited.

Don't come in here and be an ignorant ass. We know what we are talking about so don't in here and give us crap about it, biased ass. :rolleyes:

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them.

Yeah, it is when people think they are fact when it pisses me off.

A Civic worth it? Maybe in the short term if you start off with a good one. But here's the catch. A Honda Civic has a very strong resale value, stronger than just about any other import in its class. Thus, used Civics command top dollar for good examples. The kicker? Other imports with equal or better stock performance and the chance to go even faster are in fact CHEAPER THAN THE CIVIC. For instance. In Ohio, at least, a 94 and up SI Civic Coupe, with the 1.6L V-tec engine, manual tranny, that isn't a death trap, will run you about $6000 dollars. By contrast, a similar S13 Chassis Nissan 240SX will run you about $1500-2000 or cheaper. My team mate picked up a 1989 SOHC 240 for $900 bucks. Then, throw in another 2 grand for a SR20DET (which is a bolt in save for some electrical work) and you've got a 220hp RWD sport coupe that's a bit prettier and more distinctive than a Civic, plus you've still got another $2000 dollars to play around with to make it a 300-350hp coupe that hangs with Mustangs, Camaros, RX-7's, and certain Vettes.

Now doesn't this make more sense?

Unless you swap in a higher-output vtec engine, then base civics wont become sports cars. If you DO swap in a nice engine, like the GS-R engine or civic SI engine, then youre on your way to a fast car. Turbo these babies and you can get around 250-300 horsepower. That is a LOT more than it sounds because these cars weigh anywhere from 500 to 1000 lbs less than a mustang or camaro.

Other than that, a civic will outhandle any domestic and the reliability of these things is a huge weight off ones shoulders. But if you are just looking for cheap, straight-line speed, then a V8 stang is going to be your best bet.

probably closer to 250, but that is splitting hairs. But yeah you could swap a B-18B engine in, and you could make it plenty fast enough. It's just a question of whether or not you have the money to do such a thing. In the long run, it might turn out that the money you spent making your civic fast would be enough to buy a car that could be faster stock, I've seen it happen, so whatever you do, don't fall into that trap.

Originally posted by civicEX
Look at all the domestic drivers posts Honda haters and stuff obviously

im an import driver, not a domestic driver. i have owned one civic and i currently own another honda. i like honda hatchbacks and integras, and LOVE s2000's and nsx'x. i am far from a honda hater. so what i am about to say is coming from a honda fan and import driver.

They are just pissed off because you can build a Honda to run 11 second quarters and still get 32mpg.

no you cant. show me one.


You mentioned an eclipse? Man why would you want an eclipse over a Honda?

eclipse turbo, 210hp 215 torque, 14 second quarters stock with a good driver, and 13's for less than a grand. civic si, 169hp 11 torque, high 15s stock, and itll take a lot of money to even pull 13s on the stock motor. thats why.

I drag race on real tracks unlike most of these other wannabe posters.

i'd just about guarantee you ive been on tracks more than you. probably 5 times more. how bout you show us a stack of your timeslips and ill show my stack, well see whos been down a track the most.

I run a CRX with the ORIGINAL motor in it (88 si) I run 12.3 second quarter miles and everything is still in it. I didn't strip anything just turbo charged it and upgraded a few other misc things on the motor.

BS. lets see pics and timeslips. if it is true, just how much have you spent on that thing? and how reliable is it? oh yeah, does it still get 32 mpg :hehehe:

I also have a 99 EX (pics at www.h22a.com/adam ) that I upgraded a little bit with the stock motor still in it and even though it weighs a lot more then my CRX I still run 15 second quarters. I can smoke all over stock mustangs all day long in it.

15 second quarters are slow man, especially for a modded car. and 15 secondquarters will not have you beating v8 mustangs. whatever mustangs you "beat" probably arent actually racing you back, or you fly past them after theyve already let off and hit the brake. ricer kill.

Hondas are way worth it man trust me. Don't let people mislead you man just because they don't understand how a 4cyl can smoke there big stroker bulk shit 6mpg motor.

most ls1's (thats a camaro/furebird in case you didnt know) get over 25mpg, while running mid-low 13's and even high 12's with very little mods.

They have nothing on little compact cars especially Hondas! GL with your decision but I'm totally for the Honda. Go to www.civicland.com and ask them what they think of civics on the forums. They will give you honest feedback.

yeah im sure the people at civic land will give an unbiased opinion on civics :rolleyes:

In general, I see more domestic bashing from the import guys than import bashing from the domestic guys. (im not talking about this thread).

Originally posted by Fliquer
In general, I see more domestic bashing from the import guys than import bashing from the domestic guys.

Can't convince me of that:rolleyes:

I cant convince you that I SEE more domestic bashing than import bashing? Exactly how did you find out where I've been and what I've seen and heard?

I think you are making a major mistake in your distinctions here guys. Sure, there are domestic guys. There are import guys. There are also Honda guys. These are the guys who try to convince you their CRX/Civic/Prelude/Accord is some sort of big block terrorizing rocket. Like that stock engined turbo CRX running 12s with the entire car intact.

I think all of us, import, domestic, everyone here can agree, we hate these guys. CivixEX, you're right. I am a Honda hater. Not because of the company Honda built, or the cars that they build today, but because of idiots like you. I feel nothing more towards a Civic than I do towards an Escort, or a Neon. Let's face it people, they are the Mopeds of cars! Live with it.

Yeah thats how I see it when it comes to Japanese cars. I hate the Honda Boys. Nissan makes some pretty good cars, hell I'd almost consider them the muscle cars of Japan. There are other companies out there that just make faster cars. Sure Honda has their NSX, that thing is expensive as hell though. Its like paying for a damn Ferrari or something.

Haha haters yeah sure CivicEX. I hate your Honda's. Funny thing is, my Trans Am is around 14 years old now, 60,000 miles on it, and an automatic. And I would still kick your little 4 banger's asses. If you actually had a CRX in the 12's yeah you'd kick my ass but lets face it you don't. Hell I bet the S-10 will whip your Honda as well.

Oh yeah, I wish to clarify. I don't hate Honda owners either, just ones like CivixEX. Oh yeah, anyone who will call me a hater. Them too.

get a CRX they are cheaper and lighter. Plus after an engine swap you will have a nice car that still gets good milage. And Great handling! And if you get an HF and swap the engine with say a b18c then you have a SWEET sleeper. Lol imagine getting beat by a "hf" that would make you feel dumb. HF's are also the lightest model.:)

I basically can't stand any car owner who can't admit that there are good cars wherever you look. Import guys who say American cars suck, sports car drivers who hate compacts (some of the things I've heard fellow B owners say about compact drivers make me ashamed to be amongst them), and so forth. A Civic has potential to be a quick, fun little car, but it isn't a device for warping time and space. It'll still be limited to the laws of physics unless you really start modifying it. Yes, I've seen 9 second FF Civics, but those are cars like Steph Papadakis's tube frame, turbocharged Civic with the engine mounted longitudinally in front of the transaxle (DTM style).

I can admit to cars being faster than mine because I'm comfortable with my car's faults. She runs hot, is very cranky during high humidity days, fouls plugs, and every time I toss her into a corner I run the risk of either spinning out or breaking my wire wheels. But if I were to rewind to the day I decided to buy her, she'd still be sittting in the garage. It seems to me that Civic owners can't admit to their cars' faults. Makes me wonder just how much they love their cars truthfully.

it's easy to appreciate a car when you spend your first days of driving behind the wheel of a 1998 ford ranger XLT with the 4x4 package. Aniemic 3 liter V-6 engine. Top speed: 95 mph (oh you betcha I found that out by do-it-yourself). Steering? Felt like play dough. Driving excitement? Only if you take it out in the middle of a muddy field and do some donuts. The only redeeming on-road quality the truck has is that it handles pretty well in medium to high-speed corners, which is mainly because of it's long wheelbase and short overhangs. But hey, when I got my maxima, it just made it that much easier to appreciate what I have.

I don't see much fun in making a...hybrid is it? Hybrid is when you take a car and swap a different engine in there that isn't an option for that car right? Like a CRX with an engine built for an Integra. Why not work with what you have as your base engine? It ain't easy money wise throwing another engine in but....I don't know I can't really think of anything to say in protest right now. To me it's like your car really isn't what it is now. Like an CRX with a Integra engine just isn't a CRX anymore. Or if I took an old Chevy Celebrity and threw in a nice 350 V8, ripped out that junky V6, it just isn't a Celebrity anymore. I guess all I can say about it is, big deal if you can swap another engine in your car.

There's nothing wrong with engine swapping! There are lots of lightweight great handling cars out there, that would really benefit from a younger more powerful motor.

When you have something like a CRX, you don't have a lot of potential in the motor... I personally wouldn't waste my time with one. Civics are for grocery getting
:finger:

I agree totally with what octagon said.

By ripping out a motor and putting a bigger/better/whatever motor in... isnt that part of hot rodding?

That is indeed part of hotrodding, but for some reason, it doesn't sit right with a lot of purists. Try telling one of these honda types you want a 20 valve 4AGE motor in a CRX, they'll flip. They'll probably start telling you about how inferior the 5 valve VVTI setup is compared to VTEC.

About the reliability of a Honda, they are very reliable stock. Turbocharge one and have it putting out 250hp, and we'll see what breaks first, the engine or the transmission :D

Ech, Turbo B16's. I had a friend who tried that once. ONCE! The V-tec's have such close tolerances and are so tuned from the factory that you just can't toss another variable onto the car and hope for the best. It's probably the best way I've heard of to inspect the cylinder walls without removing the cylinder head.

I agree with you on the whole deal of cross-make swaps. When traditional hot rodders put a small block Chevy into a Nash or a Studebaker, they get compliments on their fabricating skills. When a rotary finds its way into a Datsun 510, the import crowd calls it heresy. What gives?

While it's easier most of the time to swap engines into cars of the same make, I don't see a problem with putting a Chevy engine in a Ford, or a Mazda engine in a Datsun...

If it improves the car, what's the damn problem? I really want to put my V8 and G31 tranny in that RX7, just so I could show up at rotary clubs and make them all have heart attacks :D

Originally posted by Cbass
I really want to put my V8 and G31 tranny in that RX7, just so I could show up at rotary clubs and make them all have heart attacks :D

You do that and you will cause them to have a heart attack :)

Actually, it looks like the 400M may be finding a temporary home in a Porsche 931... That would be until I can rebuild the 931 motor, and get a tranny that will be able to handle the Stage 2 mods to my 400M(700-800hp, 800lbft!!!).

When I get a decent tranny, it can go in the RX7...

Come come my child Hondas are MUCH too expinceive for the way they are made. im sorry but i refuse to pay $13,000 for a 97' 4 door Civic Sedan with 92,000 miles on the sucker just ebcause its gotta pretty wittle spoiler and a "nice Body kit" no freaking way. may i suggest that you not get yoru dream car as your first car? pick up an older reliable beast like well a old Toyota Celica my friend drove one of them for 300,000 miles no prob. By old i mean 83-85 not those little 92s they are WAY overpriced. same with most imports. Well at least here in Callie, anyway i got my car for 1300 bucks and had it for 8 months before i ahd to pop a tranny in poor beat up thing... dont do what i did mk? take a good long hard look at your vehical and bring it to a mechanic. check teh resale value on that sucker and teh part costs all things most people learn (myself included) from making the mistake. My Tranny problem ended up costing me $2400 ((ching ching)) making my car a $3700 beauty with a strong engine even at 150,000k miles on it so i decided to keep teh old girl, affectionatly known as Alice because of her playful yet disterbing electrical "Trips" :flash:. and Im currently looking for ways to spruce the old girl up een those shes beutiful right now.... some new door panels interior and maybe even that nice body kit they have for Coupe Lebarons her age at a low price. Just remeber not to make my mistake:frog: ALWAYS look into your new car CAREFULLY and have a certified mechanic look her/him over before placeing those smackers in his perhaps greedy little hand. Even Buy from a Car lot but make sure to get all promises on paper! and ask about teh 200(or whatever) point expection and see if they do it. and remember, love your car they know when your care and they will take care of you if the same attention is given back i can prove it.

your buddies,
Eryn and Alice((92 Chrysler LeBaron Convertible V6 3.0L, FWD, 4Speed, Auto))

Your tranny was a problem because the A604 4-speed automatics in the LeBarons (I got it too) is a POS and isn't really capable for even the stock motor.

Swap to a 5 speed, get a Eurodrive clutch and pressure plate, a lightened flywheel and be amazed. That tranny also robs a lot of power, mine seems to upshift at about 85mph, no matter what the RPM or how hard I hit the gas, it's embarrassing racing because from that point to quite a bit further I won't pull on anything at all.

Two things 141BPMDJEGlow,

1) Spelling

2) Punctuation

I got about half way through your post and just stopped reading. If it's that difficult then it's not even worth it...

I didnt know i was sopose to be a perfect speller to join ONLINE FORUM... now i remeber why i dont. its not worth my time to be insulted by people who sit around on a computer to look for something to whine about. I wont continue to annoy you or anyone else with my presence. People need to lighten up. this is somthing peopel do when they are bored and honestly after sitting around working or going to school all day i dont feel like dedicateingmyself to perfection. so im opting to just stop coming here!

Thanx for making me feel welcome... NOT!

:finger:

screw coming here to relax its gunna bother me more to be dogged on for no real important reason.

Hey cool guy,

It's common sense. Nobody is going to take the time to read your posts if they have to make a honest effort to recognize what you're trying to say. Don't get all uppity about it. BTW, you misspelled Camaro, no e...

its an online forum. this is where people can say whatever the hell they want. if a little thing like punctuation gets to you, i hate to see how bent out of shape you get when you get into your first flame war. i didnt even read most of your second post.


on a more juvenile note, quitcher bitchin and grow the fuck up.

So what you guys are saying is dont get a civic unless your plaining to upgrade the motor. Im not really all that interested in them but my friend is because he cant afford much, he wants to steet race i keep on telling him to get the sti when it comes out or the Evo VIII like i am plaining to get but he says its just out of his price range. Could he get a civic and lets say its used for like 4,000$ or somthing replace the motor mod it and get running times near a sti or evo8 thats moded or like 12s 13s for less then 12$ (im just making up these numbers my friend might have a little more to spend or he might not i need to ask him again)

Camaro, at least get my GENDER right.... dont have a pen15 duder.... but wish i did just so i could beat you with it... probly souldn't have said that.... oh well sometimes a girls gotta do what shes gotta do. PS maybe im just pre judgeing you because I hate Camaros and my ex boyfriend drove one and he has a Small dick and a Big additude.

Rocket, thanx for seeing my point, i re-read my post its not that hard to understand, most of it was all weird because i was being a smart ass. Like "wittle" and stuffs. I have my own casual langague and i dont relaly give a crap if tight ass little boys with high car insurence have a problem with that.

To the guy who addressed on my tranny prob, Just wanted to thank you for the advice but I already spent the money on that overpriced rebuilt auto trans and i am only driving the old girl for another year then ill be buying a truck after I save up a good 3rd of the price. shes got 150 on the orignal engine and that tranny i just dumped was her orig too. shes pretty sound for a lebaron so im not worried lol after all we cant all get what we want in our first car right? Thanks again!

Under no circumstances should you buy a civic if you want to drive fast. It's not a performance car!

If you want a good car to race, get a 240SX or Supra, if it has to be Japanese. I love the RX7 V8 swap, it will have you doing 13s for $2000(if you can find an RX7 with a bad motor, and a motor/tranny for $1500).

If you put another $2K into it, you're doing 11s! Another $3K on top of that, and your pushing high 9s... All in a great handling RX7 with 50/50 weight distribution and off the shelf performance parts.

I dont want a civic my friends wants one but how much would a supra or that other car you said be they sound good

Originally posted by 141BPMDJEGlow
Camaro, at least get my GENDER right.... dont have a pen15 duder.... but wish i did just so i could beat you with it... probly souldn't have said that.... oh well sometimes a girls gotta do what shes gotta do. PS maybe im just pre judgeing you because I hate Camaros and my ex boyfriend drove one and he has a Small dick and a Big additude.

I could really give a shit who your last boyfriend was and what he drove. The point I'm getting across and that I've come to realize is that you're a pretentious asshole. You, as well as everyone else knows, that in that usage, "cool guy" was more of a statement, than a gender specific title. The fact that you take that to heart makes you one of the most petty people on this board. The rest of your comments just make you look ignorant and young. My Camaro would still whoop j00r ass, so I wouldn't be talking.

Have a nice day.

Rocket, thanx for seeing my point, i re-read my post its not that hard to understand, most of it was all weird because i was being a smart ass. Like "wittle" and stuffs. I have my own casual langague and i dont relaly give a crap if tight ass little boys with high car insurence have a problem with that.


ummmm i was talking to you... youre the one who got bent out of shape about someone commenting on your punctuation. I wasnt trying to flame, but punctuation is really kind of important when it comes to posting. Noone wants to read a stream of consciousness. It also looks like there was no effort put into the post, like you werent thinking about what youre saying.

this is what most people who write like that sound like. Im not including you in this, keep in mind.

"manone day last week i was in teh prelude type r and this guy in a mustang revved and i revved back the ligt turned grenn and i was like BWWAAAAAA and he was like BWAAAA and then vtecH kicked in and i put like eleventeen carlengths on him and bottomline mustnags suck and my car is the bestand im 12"


and one more thing.. dont hate on camaros just because they own you..
theyll outperform most cars without a problem


I seriously dont mean to offend, and if i have i apologize, but thats the kind of thing to expect when you post in an online forum. I think you need to realize that no matter what you say or how you say it, there might be someone who disagrees with you. Just take it easy, and try to enjoy the rest of your stay here at AF. I hope you dont have any further problems

Like I said. Im out this palce is fucking lame. Ive never been fuckin insulted online and its not gunna fuckin keep going on.

Peace. :finger:

WHy should I be bagged on online when I already get anough offline? sorry taht just doesnt sound fun. I used to think racers were fucking good people but i think i was wrong it must just eb that one dude i met. I ahve no interest in Raceing because i know i cant do it and I dont ahve time for it, or money. and Now I dont even liek the people behind it. Ill stick to parties least ravers dont fucking bash on you because your not perfect. Go fuck yourselves serves me right for even trying to fucking open my horizens. good luck in your little hobbies. Sorry I came, just trying to find some decent humans. Were all going to the same place though. meet you fucking there and if this isnt what racers are like then i apoligize but this is how i perceive them from what has been said. petty fuckin sissy boys.

trust me even if you can find a raver forum, someone will bitch at your particular style of techno, or at your favorite drink to go with your extacy, or because you dont wear enough childrens beads.

lighten up :rolleyes: its not that serious. calm down. noone was attacking you personally. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

if you cant handle a little constructive criticism this is definitely not the place for you. good luck wherever you end up

Come on people lets get back on topic and stop :monkeypis around so the commen felling is civics are not worth it but what is? supras are around 20$ when i was looking at them and a little less and thats used :angryfire thats to much money for my friend he needs somthing under 7,000 and then he will mod it. Hes not looking for anything awsome just some he can win races with until he can afford somthing nice

Late model Supras are very pricey, but the older Supras still have a very strong inline 6 that handles boost very well.

The 240SX is a good pick, you can get them for fairly cheaply, around 4K in good condition, and spend another 3K rebuilding the engine. A built KA24DE should be able to make near 300hp, and they weight about 2800-2900 lbs. Good cars, they handle very well.

Just do a web search for the Supra. The latest ones, the MK IV (mark 4), are quite pricey and highly sought after. However, the earlier MKIIIs are almost as good, and much cheaper. If these are still out of your budget, a Celica Supra MKII can be had for a song, and can still offer very good performance on a budget. Check out the Supra and 240SX sections of the board, and do a little research on Supra/240SX boards...

Oh yeah, always a good idea before deciding on a car... read the reviews, which for the the Supra, are absolutely spectacular.

http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Toyota_Supra.html

Mark II Celica Supra, based off Celica, but with inline 6 cylinder
http://www.celicasupra.com/gallery.htm

http://www.celicasupra.com/images/83Kaminari.jpg

Mark III Supra

http://www.dreamwater.org/auto/mk3supra/Pictures/pictures.html

This is really a great car that doesn't get enough recognition. It's capable of awesome performance, but at the same time is incredibly reliable. Oh yeah, they also make a million body kits for these things...

The only honduh i would even consider owning would be the S2000. I'n my opinion, if you're not gonna go with a domestic V8, is maybe an older 300ZX, supra, or DSM. The 84-89 300ZX really isn't that bad if you get a turbo model, they're not too heavy, they're easy to mod, and it's a RWD car, thats already faster stock than your average/basic mods honda. But thats just my opinion. (Stay away from the honduhs)

I think he got the impression hondas are not for racing :D

Yeah, 300ZXs are a great choice as well. They go for very little nowadays, because they're older cars. They have really good performance potential. On a stock engine, add an intercooler and a boost controller, and you can make 275hp...

Lot's of people go after all these small displacement cars, and try to make them faster by throwing money at them, but the truth is, there's no replacement for displacement! A 3 liter motor, ala Supra or 300ZX has a lot more potential, especially when factory turbocharged. All you have to do is just beef up a few minor parts, like injectors and intercoolers, and raise the boost.

I personally like the old sentra SE-Rs and 200SXs. Come stock with the famed SR-20 motor. They are pretty quick box stock, and you can build em up pretty easy too.:cool:

where can u get the new supras?

If by "new" you mean the MK IV, they're around. Import auto trader should have a couple. Be prepared to spend at least $25K on a good Supra though.

If by "new" you mean, the new Supra which they are finishing the body shape of right now, probably 2005/2006... A long time to wait, and it is going to be naturally aspirated, probably with the Lexus 4.3 liter V8, and the inline 6 as a base engine. :(

aww... no turbo sucks.

A lot of people try and make fun of those of us who find enjoyment in making a car faster. I like it when I hear people brag that their V8 will beat my car. I always want to say "DUH, Really? I wouldn't have thought that...duh...." The people that act like a 4 cylinder car is simply an economy car simply don't understand car classes. I find that train of thought to be the equivalant of somebody trying to argue that Nascar is stupid, because there's formula cars out there that will smoke a Nascar. Well, ya, duh.. of course it would. it's 2 totally different cars. That's no different then a civic vs. a mustang. Of course the mustang will win, it's got almost 3 times the engine in it. But somone in a Civic wouldn't race a Mustang, it wouldn't make sense. However, that same person in the Civic steps up to a Integra or a G20 or any 4 cyl out there, now you have a race. As for draggin, I totally agree, if that's what you're lookin for, then you should get a big car with a V8. But if your lookin for road speed, handling, and a fun car to modify, then a Civic really can't be beat. They have more parts for those cars then any other car on the road, minus an Accord.. A list of cars that I'd recommend would be:

90-95 Accord
90-98 Civic
94-up Integra
92-96 G20 (infiniti)
97- up Sentra

I would steer clear of Talon's/Eclipse's, because they have timing belt issues, and unless the person that owned it was very good at maintaining the car, they've probably broken a belt and the engine's gonna have problems if it already doesn't.

The G20 (nissan primera over seas) is a solid 2.0 n/a here in America.That's why I bought it. Over seas they have a variety, including the turbo edition. This is my 2nd G. They use a chain instead of a belt for the timing, so you shouldn't really ever have timing issues. And it's a very solid block, used for the SR20DET engine, capable of handling 205 horses + with the turbo, but in America they come stock with 140-145 horses....

Integras are cheap. Even the 3rd generations, if the year is low enough (94-95) and is a solid foundation for some tuning as well.

The Civic is good, with an engine swap, but that's always a pain, and I haven't had a friend yet that has swapped an engine and not had problems with it. though I'm sure theres some on AF that haven't had problems.

Just my 2 cents as well....

Hey Cbass, a built 240 with the KA can make a lot more than 300hp ;)

http://www.executivecleancar.com/240/

Check out his dyno sheets! I'm dead sure you could probably get it a bit higher than that too.

Yeah, but I'd only want about 300hp for that car. I decided it would be more fun to try an 86 with a 20V engine.

As for your post g-ealousy, I'll quote Terminal Velocity on this one...

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
hahaha...honda...oh my,...

As for your post g-ealousy, I'll quote Terminal Velocity on this one...
hahaha...honda...oh my,...

Have you ever even owned a new Honda? I have... I'm speaking from experience... where is the information forming your opinion coming from??:rolleyes:

Every knows civics are not worth it IF YOU WANT TO RACE (well mybe not the people in the honda forums) but let me guess you either dont care about street racing which then i chould see your point they are great cars for getting to point A to point B but if you are trying to say they are good racers your out of your mind just look at the damn info i just dont get how people can just ignor the facts. The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

Bottem line Civics ARE NOT RACERS (unless you drop an insane amount of cash)

I have an opinion... all my cars should have some degree of balls. In this light, I will not buy a honda. I don't care how fast you think it is, or even how fast it really is, I want a car that can race when it's full of people.

hahahaha, T-BIRD!

*hasnt bothered to keep up with this thread, and I just had to throw this in for how many times i've raced with it full of people, and won *:D

Every knows civics are not worth it IF YOU WANT TO RACE (well mybe not the people in the honda forums) but let me guess you either dont care about street racing which then i chould see your point they are great cars for getting to point A to point B but if you are trying to say they are good racers your out of your mind just look at the damn info i just dont get how people can just ignor the facts. The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

Bottem line Civics ARE NOT RACERS (unless you drop an insane amount of cash)

Ha ha!
1st of all, what "race car" hasn't had a lot of money put into the car? Otherwise, wouldn't it just be a car? 2nd, I have a friend with a civic that can run a 11's at sea level... but, that's probably not cool to any of you, just stupid to you all...
And I guess I'll ask again, since it seems everyone dogged the question the first time, have any of you even owned a NEW Honda, or, are v8's all you've ever owned? If you haven't owned a 4 cyl any time in the last 4 years, then you really wouldn't know what you are talking about right?
Oh, and, RACER D12, what facts did I ignore again? That a V12 can beat a V8, and that a V8 can beat a V6, and that a V6 can beat a V4? Well, I guess by that standard, that the "people" have over looked, none of us should try and race, cause there's always a car that will beat your machine.... I guess we should just have 1 class of auto races, instead of multiple classes... eh? :rolleyes:

The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

I'd dare ya to go in the Civic Forum and say that, but I know you wouldn't... if you honestly believe that, you've got a lot to learn young padawan....:sun:

To be honest Vladimer, your best bet to find out info on a car is to visit that forum, not this one. These forums are allways filled with people that own big V8's and have the view that anything less is "stupid'...

Pull your head out of your ass G-ealousy, if you think that statement goes for everyone, you really are more closeminded than I thought. Not all domestic V8's have a "my car's a v8 what's your's" complex. Import tuners have the same mentality when it comes to "my SI has 100 hp per litre, what does your domestic have" kinda crap. Race what you brought, and don't go home crying if you loose. It's for the love of the cars...

I used to have a 90 Integra, in answer to your question. Do not group everyone into stereotypes, it won't ever work...

First of all i like imports and i love 4cyl and the facts i was refering to are the civics compare it to a WRX or a GTI, jetta,A4 1.8t and im sure thier are other cars you all think of the point is civics are not good for racing most of the time people end up replacing the engine and then its not a civic any more. thats my point and notice i didnt slam you like a jackass


Get a WRX or if you can wait get the WRX STI thats what im wanting for

I used to have a 90 Integra, in answer to your question. Do not group everyone into stereotypes, it won't ever work...

As soon as people stop feeding the stereotype, I'll stop sterotyping...And as long as there's quotes such as CAptynCrunch said

So, if you want to drag race you've got two choices. You can do the smart thing and buy either a domestic(sorry guys, i love japanese cars, but they aren't designed for drag racing.) with a large displacement engine because that is by far the easiest, cheapest and most importantly fastest way to quicker times.

or the quote from 93speed

If you wanna play The Fast and the Furious and street race then go buy something else like a mustang.

I don't really see how I could view it any other way then a sterotype...

Perpetuating stereotypes doesn't solve anything, make it start with you and convince others with what you know...

Perpetuating stereotypes doesn't solve anything, make it start with you and convince others with what you know...

Well said, that is true, and I do agree. But, when you try and voice against a mass view, more often then not, your opinion and knowlege doesn't matter much... At least on AF that is... You just get bashed anyway...

Wait we still talking about civics:confused: any ways maybe we did jump all over you for saying civics are good at street racing G-ealousy sorry its your opinion. And i like making cars fast just not cars I THINK are not worth it. I go more for germen, and some japs like EVOs WRXs, STIs, Skylines that stuff. But one thing you never really explaned why you would race a civic, to me i see Fwd bad, almost no torq Important for racing, small displacment bad for drag racing, but thats me what do you see?

But one thing you never really explained why you would race a civic, to me I see Fwd bad, almost no torq Important for racing, small displacment bad for drag racing, but thats me what do you see?

Wanna know.... ? To be honest, this is what I view the race world as.... I see kids that take these cars (civics, escorts, all your little 4's), and like this forum has been talking about, try and drag race them. Well, I have a couple friends that too, try and do this, and do rather well at it too. But, if you look, the only way this is accomplished is through Nos (or the sorts) and some serious, serious dollars in the engine. That's not what it is to me. I think Hollywood ruined the image of this sport with ideas like "fast and the furious"... Personally, I would NEVER try and drag race my little G. That's not what it's designed for. My car, (and the little 4's around the streets), if modified, should be modified for a track, not a drag strip. I think "Red Shoe Racing" when I think of the 4 cyl. cars. If I want to drag race, I'm with everyone on this forum, I'd buy a domestic Z28, or a Cobra 'Stang, you know? That's horse power designed to be quick off the light. My car is not designed to be quick off the light. My car is designed to run at high RPM's to be maintained for extended periods of time... just like a motorcycle engine. A GSX-R is not designed to have torque at 2500 rpm's, it peaks at 7000 rpms... you know? That's what a 2.0 VTEC, or the SR20DE/T is designed for. Racing around a course, not to try a drag strip with. But for some reason, I think American kids got confused, and tried to blend the two types of racing into one. A four, or even a six cyl. car is not designed for draggin. Period. Can a Skyline hang at a drag strip? Absolutely.. but, that doesn't mean that's what the designers had in mind when they developed the car. They're meant to be driven, fast, and be able to handle turns at high speeds etc. A "muscle car" such as a new 'Stang, could really handle it's own on either course I'd bet, but, on a Race Course, you'd never match a Mustang up to my little G, or a Civic, or an Escort even, you would match it up to other V8's. The 6's vs. the 6's, etc... classes of races just like you see at a drag strip. As for a "Drag Strip", though true, I have seen some 4's that really can pull respectable numbers, but, they just really don't belong there. In my opinion anyway. I'll probably get bashed for saying that too.. I don't really care.. But, I do believe that 4 cyl cars are really sweet. I think they handle great (with the right mods) look great and are a fun way to zip around the streets of your city. Nissan, Toyota and Honda too, have made great strides in performance to match European cars in just the last 5 years alone, with the new generations of their models coming out, that, they are the future of Auto Racing... Minus the Drag Strips.... My views and I'm stickin to em....

:bandit:

we're currently posting in a street racing message board... so the assumption is that we're talking about racing on the streets. And usually(from my knowlege), most street racing rarely involves corners.. its usually straightline competitions.

i dont think theres anything wrong with drag racing 4 cylinder cars. there is a good amount of little 4 cylinders that would whup on v8's... and i'm talking about in stock form. and is there a rule or something that two 17 second cars can't race? no, racing is racing... wether its a camaro vs a mustang or a geo metro vs my minivan.

Damn, this thread still exists? Oh well, where are we now?

Originally posted by fatninja19
we're currently posting in a street racing message board... so the assumption is that we're talking about racing on the streets. And usually(from my knowlege), most street racing rarely involves corners.. its usually straightline competitions.

Boring :) but then I have to remember most people don't live in an area where the population density is only like 1 person for every 10 or 15 square kilometers, then take into account an old abandoned U.S. base with like 3 or 4 square kilometers of open unused asphalt...so most people don't have my freedoms.

[B]i dont think theres anything wrong with drag racing 4 cylinder cars. there is a good amount of little 4 cylinders that would whup on v8's... and i'm talking about in stock form. and is there a rule or something that two 17 second cars can't race? no, racing is racing... wether its a camaro vs a mustang or a geo metro vs my minivan.[B]

Ok, I'm trying as hard as i can here and I'm still having trouble trying to think of a stock USDM 4 banger that can out drag a stock V8. I mean whats the slowest stock V8? A mustang GT? Maybe a WRX could take it?

Boring but then I have to remember most people don't live in an area where the population density is only like 1 person for every 10 or 15 square kilometers, then take into account an old abandoned U.S. base with like 3 or 4 square kilometers of open unused asphalt...so most people don't have my freedoms.

Well, to be honest CAptynCrunch, I think we all do have access. But, like I said, either kids today are to lazy to try and actuall book a race at a local track, or an abandoned business districts... maybe old air ports... or it's just "easier" for them to drag race... There's also the fact that, once you start adding turns, god forbid, the racers might have to DOWNSHIFT and then UPSHIFT through the course of the race... But, that's not really my point anyway... my point really is that kids in America don't really understand why they're fixing their cars to look like they do... Every true drag FF4 cyl I see has super tubed slicks with a 14' inch rim in the front, and 17" lo-pro tires and wheels in the back... but, that's not what you see on the street.. On the street you see kids with 17" wheels all the way around with tires that cost as much as the rims, and the kids are burnin 'em out?! That's not what that tire was designed for, and that's not what the 17"s are designed for. they're designed for track racing.... but, hey, we'll see if this civic can spin the wheels and burn up a clutch and wear these tires down all in a month! Yeah! Lame....

Captyn,
a friend of mine drives a 94 convertable mustang GT(4.9L). My mom has a 01 HONDA accord 4dr v6. Both are automatics. We raced twice, and we were dead even up to 80, then we let off becuase we ran out of road. The automotive magazines say the accord runs anywehre from 15.9-16.1. YES, i know the accord is not a 4 banger, but there are many other four bangers that run faster than 15.9 STOCK. EXAMPLE: Integra GSR(mid 15's). Another EXAMPLE: Integra Type R(high 14's). Now, all these times I posted are in stock configuration. All these cars aforementioned are USDM.

there are also other v8's that are slower than GSR integras... such as the new mecury maruader.

dont get me wrong, i dont hate domestics. i just like motoring in general.

I thought it had a 4.6L V8 :confused:

I'm pretty sure 95 was the first year for the 4.6 modular V8... The 94 and earlier shipped out with a 5.0, that was rated at 215hp I think... I don't know the figures for the base 5.0 HO.

Originally posted by Cbass
I'm pretty sure 95 was the first year for the 4.6 modular V8... The 94 and earlier shipped out with a 5.0, that was rated at 215hp I think... I don't know the figures for the base 5.0 HO.

ok, for mustangs 95 was the last year for the 5.0
T-birds it was 93

The 5.0HO was rated *by -most- info I find* at 200hp and 300 torque, in the mustang it had the t-5 so it made around 330 torque I believe.

And BS an accord could hang with a newer gt, even a slower one. That stang musta had a really really bad driver :rolleyes:

Oh, and saying "base" 5.0HO is kinda funny

The HO is a 5.0 with a better cam, better heads, headers, and more bearing meterial I believe.

No no no guys, he's not referring to the new style 4.6L mustangs. He's talking about the 5.0L foxbody.

I'm guessing ninja reads car and driver? cause i think it was last issue or at least within the last couple of issues someone worte in a letter to correct them about saying the mustang had a 4.9L V8, saying it had a 5.0L. The editors response to this was that although it says 5.0L on the car it's actually 4.9L because the engine is i think something like 4944cc's so they say technically it should be rounded to a 4.9L

And although I'll allow that a GS-R might be able take a foxbody, I feel the need to point out that your using the old, best versus worst argument.

I mean where does a GS-R rank in the lineup of 4 cylinder japanese cars? It's somewhere in between the middle and the top. And your comparing it to the slowest sports oriented V8. I see the GS-R as more along the lines of equivilancy as the Camaro and the Firebird.

None are the top of the game for they're markets, but they're all relatively popular and well performing vehicles. And theres no way your gonna convice me that a stock GS-R could walk a firebird.

Oh yeah, and the maraduar doesn't count as a sports car. It's a boat with wheels. Actually it doesn't even rank as a boat, cause that things way to heavy to float :)

Good then, I learned something new.

Muchas Gracias :D

Yo TV, notice i said 94 mustang. not the new gt's.. new gt's are pretty damn quick.

Captyn, sorry about not knowing that we're only comparing "sports" cars.. i thought you just told me to find any stock usdm 4 banger that would beat a stock v8. so yea.. i agree that the majority of import cars are not ideal for drag racing, and i'm a fan of both imports and dometics. i agree that theres no way a stock gsr can touch any LS1 or LT1 f-body's, but it'd probaly beat a f-body with the p.o.s. economy 305! hahaha... but the 80's was a pretty horrible time for v8 performance.

I'd think that a subaru wrx would give a new GT a run for its money down the 1/4...(i doubt the wrx would beat the gt, but it'd probaly be close)

ps. i dont read car and driver, I just know because my friend drives one. and i dont think a 94 is called a foxbody because it looks quite similar to a 96 stang. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/usedsingleyear.aspx?modelid=1061&src=vip

I dont know about a WRX but the STi could beat a GT i think. I mean if you are a good driver you should not have a problem because the Sti is going to beat the GT off the line every time the STI just has crazy traction. And the way the Sti just gets up to its top speed so fast is amazing so if you chould just hold on you would win, but anything more than a 1/4 the GT would get you it just has more high end power. This is JUST MY opinion












[SIZE=3]GOT RICE

ps. i dont read car and driver
Too bad. What a great magazine....:bandit:

i like auto week, it comes more often.. haha

i know you guys arent gonna believe me, but people have hit 13's in bone stock usdm wrx's. thats definately quick enough to top a gt. the newer (96-ish) gt's run mid-high 14's dont they?

You lie, 13's? that is complete bs. Post your time slips and pictures if you have any.

Hey riceboy, don't come into this forum and call people liars! Especially not members of the Tofu Crew, because we'll mess you up man :D

i didnt say they do it easily, or often, just they can, on those rare, special fast run times. normally the best drivers run around 14.2 in stock wrx's. go on over to www.i-club.com and search around for the fastest 1/4 mile times if you dont believe me. i dont have a timeslip to show you because i dont own a wrx...

Civics are not bad. I think they are nice little cars, but they should not be used as race cars.

Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvets my friend is geting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he donst think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it

Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvetts my friend is getting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he dosnt think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it

how do you post pics

man, i missed you delayson...hahaha.. where've you been?
i've heard that the wrx is hard to drive fast... people say it is hard "because its AWD". I've driven a 5 spd wrx, but didnt get on it at all. Even my friend who owns a type R and is a pretty good driver says its hard to be quick in one. he says that it bogs like crazy off the line, and he said he dumped the clutch at about 4k rpm ... The fastest way to launch a WRX is by reving it up, then just dumping the clutch right? there won't be any traction problems because of awd... so whats the deal?

to delayson or any other tofu crew: how would one become one of the tofu boys?

You should inquire in the Initial D forum about being a member. It's found in the Racing forum, so just back up a few pages. That's probably your best bet...

Originally posted by RACER D12
Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvets my friend is geting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he donst think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it


Yes, the thing you see out of 99% of all the top fuel dragsters is what is called a SuperCharger... or a Blower. Not many that i know are powered by Turbochargers.

the early honda's, like the CVCC 600 was rwd... if im not mistaken... and i do believe the S2K is also. Im not a honda buff, so im not one to ask.

Depending on the year of the Corvette, with todays technology you can swap out the tired old 350 with a Vortec 350 with 330hp/380tq... which is about 50-65% more than what was stock on anything Corvette from like 74-82... those years Corvettes werent all that fast. Just make sure to make the Vortec 350 EFI for more ponies.


Hope i was helpfull.

currently only 2 hondas are RWD. one is the S2K and the other is a NSX. and about being a tofu crew. you have to ask Tom_S8. in the initial D forums. but i haven't heard from him in ages!! sooooo i dunno. but might as well try right?

you shouldnt even consider a civic when the acura rsx is out there... come on think about it. My RSX is almost as fast as a cobra.

you shouldnt even consider a civic when the acura rsx is out there... come on think about it. My RSX is almost as fast as a cobra.

Not everyone's mommy n daddy will buy them an RSX for their first car...:bandit:

Rsx is nice but its only got a 2.0 200hp not a big enuff engine for me you can only mod a RSX so far before you have to do some heavy mods.

And i dont want a honda i just wanted to know if they had any Rwd ones

YO Captain... you got a twin turbo huh? I really hope you're being sarcastic... I dont know of any twin turbo 4 cylinders that work well..

its called 17 grand at a racing store.. and it works fine, and your assuming that the audi tt doesnt work very well either.. right?

Let me get this straight:

A base RSX Type S starts around $24K. You put a $17K TT set up on it, plus your other modifications. You have over $41K in your car. WTF for??? For that amount of bank you could have gotten a TT Supra, a 03 Cobra, any 98-02 LS1 F-body, a slew of old muscle car beasts (restored or not), or hell, even a used Z06. All of these have more potential then your RSX will ever have, just because of your motor limitations (size, life with TT set up).

Why just waste perfectly good money, I mean I understand working on a car and making it your own. Why start with an RSX Type S when you have at least $17k+ to work with afterwards???

Just doesn't make sense...

c'mon guys, isnt it obvious hes just making his car up? his mod list sounds exactly like the "3 honda civics with spoon motors, turbos and NOS, and motec system exhaust" line in the fast and the furious.



man, wrx's are a lot harder to be quick off the line in that most people think. rev it all the way to redline, hell put your foot on the floor with it bouncing off the rev limiter, and drop the clutch, it will still bog. not to mention your clutch and tranny wont last too long like that. its even harder in an rs/ts like mine, even less power. its all about slipping the clutch JUST right to keep it from bogging, err kinda yanking on it a couple times, i dunno how to describe it. its possible to get 1.9 60ft's in a stock 2.5rs if you can drive it well, but its also very possible to get 2.4's if you cant.

The audi TT isnt a twin turbo...

Originally posted by RACER D12
Ok quick ? my friend said a super charger is that thing you see some times on dragsters that comes out of the hood is that right?

Any ways are all honda's Fwd or are thier any Rwd ones:confused:

And what do you guys think about old chorvets my friend is geting his dads old 80 somthing or 70 somthing one but he donst think it would be a good street racer i think it would i have to get some more info on it

Well, some cars with superchargers have hoodscoops, and some carbed cars have big scoops too, without a blower. I can't remember the name for the piece :confused:

The NSX is an acura, and acura ricers will argue that it is not a honda, even though it is... mid engined, RWD. The S2000 is front engined, RWD.

If you mean Corvettes, they are awesome street racers, but it depends on the motor. If it's a 70 something with a 454, there is unlimited performance potential. Hands down, nothing beats a big block :D Even the LT1 Vettes are capable of sick power. Just ask Redneck...

And I surely hope that was a joke/troll post... :rolleyes:

yep... thats it, i made it all up. i took my 20 grand enlistmant bonus and bought most of my rsx and after i was done paying for it i got a large amount of money from inheritance. i already had a car and shitload of money but not enough money to buy a z06 so i decided to burn it on my rsx... and i'm already making some of that back from schmidts sponsoring my car and racing it.

lol, captain... twin turbos and 4 cylinders just dont work... do you not understand? hahaha

CaptainRSX... i dont know much about the RSX and its aftermarket support...

but by reading your lil info.. with all that dough you spent on it... springs... exhaust... multiple turbos?... rims...

I think you could of opted for a better spoiler... i mean no aftermarket spoiler... like the terminator zb54 turbo wing or whatever???

Make something up... c'mon man... "spoiler" ehhhhh just doesnt sound sporty enough to me.


:D

They could be sequential turbos, to reduce lag... not very good for over all power. Then again, on a honda, you have to do everything you can to reduce lag, as they have absolutely NO off boost performance at lower revs.

i do understand what sequential turbo's are... but does anyone know a twin trubo'ed 4 cylinder out there? correct me if i'm wrong, but twin turbo 4's don't exist because they don't work.

Check out the post in the StreetRacing Honda forum, Carrrnutt has a few words for him about the TT setup on an RSX in the thread about Captain racing an NSX...

The lotus espirt was a twin turbo four from 1979 to 1997 (then it switched to a TT V8, which by the way wasnt much more powerful than the TT four).

The Subaru WRX STi has a TT four, I think. I know the Subaru Liberty B4 does.

I just quickly looked up some info on the lotus esprit, i found that 1993-1995 are single turbo 2.2L. the v8's started in 97 by the way.

i'm pretty sure the STi is a single turbo, but didnt have time to look up stuff for the b4.

so... lets see some pics of the beast!

Civics are decent...if you plan on making it an Auto cross/ track school car..

As for street..better off getting somthing with AWD and a turbo or a big ass V8

the sti is a single, but the b4 is twin.

the B4 is a twin turbo 4 cylinder??

yeah, but thats the only tt inline 4 i can think of. but subaru doesnt use the tt setup on any of their other ej20's, including the performance oriented sti versions.

wow, i never though a TT 4 banger would be efficient at all...