Decision time 2/3 cars now

Ok guys heres the deal with me

The new car will be bought in mid april...after exams and the right test drives...but heres my hangups and choices

My GSR looks pretty much cooked...we found a decent insurance deal on the car, but its absolutely impossible to find a GSR in Ontario with decent kms and hasnt been lowered with a body kit and generally obviously abused by the pervious owner...Ill keep looking but the prospects dont look good

If not heres my options

1) GTI...Im liking this car more and more for its looks and sportiness...I do have to take a test drive, but I like it, and you guys had it as a #2...my only problem is Im very unsure of its practicality...I need to have 2 good sized suit cases + hockey bag + longboard + xbox ect items to take from Toronto to Halifax...

2) Mazda3 5 door...We are WAY over kms on the Protege and are gonna have to pay for it...Mazda says they will overlook that if we buy or lease another Mazda...The thing is I like the 3...though again I have to test drive it...its much more practical than the GTI, looks good and can help me get all my college shit back and forth.....my only problem is that I am gonna look at this car...see the cars I didnt buy (GTI GSR) and may just start to dislike the car because it probably doesnt compare in the fun factor of driving

So what should I do?

i like mazdas, but i also like the GTI simply for its comercials lol. so idk... its a toss up for me. i will say though that a mazda 3 can look damn good. i see one all the time at college and it looks awesome.

You know GSRs are all beat... you said it yourself. That's why I've given up on that idea as well.
GTIs look nice and are getting good reviews. But there is a rule I will always follow about new car buying (even though I haven't purchased a new car in forever) and that is never buy the first production run of a new design of a make (or revamped generation) because more than likely all of the bugs haven't been worked out yet.
The Mazda 3 is a really nice car and is growing on me as well. The 5 door model would probably suit your needs as far as practicality, but as far as your tastes of driving etc.... well, you should go test drive one and find out first hand.
GL

You know GSRs are all beat... you said it yourself. That's why I've given up on that idea as well.
GTIs look nice and are getting good reviews. But there is a rule I will always follow about new car buying (even though I haven't purchased a new car in forever) and that is never buy the first production run of a new design of a make (or revamped generation) because more than likely all of the bugs haven't been worked out yet.
The Mazda 3 is a really nice car and is growing on me as well. The 5 door model would probably suit your needs as far as practicality, but as far as your tastes of driving etc.... well, you should go test drive one and find out first hand.
GL


Well the new GTI has been out in Europe for a couple years now. So I wouldn’t be too worried. Also I don’t think the new GTI is really all that different from the old other than looks.

Just get a Van.

Every cool show had a Van.

A Team
Scoobydoo
The Ambulance from Cannonball run
The Van from Old School


The list goes on.

get the Mazda 3 Speed, 2.3L Turbo charged making 274HP. Same engine as the 6 Speed, but i think they are going to detune it a little bit. Also its FWD, but still thats alot of HP.

^jayson, i dont think the mazda 3 comes turbocharged, i think its only the 06' mazda 6 that has turbo option

the new gti looks sik! the front of the car looks mean! argh! and as for the mazda.... for me personally, if it was between these two cars, i wouldn't get the mazda 3, seems more like a moms/dads/grandpa/grandma kind of car(how it looks anyways), yeah i just dont like how it looks, I would get the turboed gti yo!

http://www.mazda-club.com.ua/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=29

http://www.mazda-club.com.ua/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=30

The Madaspeed treatment will be applied to the small Mazda3 which will be officially unveiled at this months Geneva Motor Show. It packs the same 2.3 liter turbo charged 4-cylinder engine with advanced direct fuel injection as its bigger brother, but with only front wheel drive at its disposal it will have to be detuned to avoid massive wheelspin. Prices for the US have yet to be fixed but expect some serious bang for your buck.

http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/videogallery.aspx?s=geneva2006

http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15761/M3-24829.jpg

http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15761/M3-24329.jpg

http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15761/M3-24429.jpg

http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15761/M3-24629.jpg

Direct from Mazda Media:
http://www.media.mazda.com/product_info/index2_e.html?menu_motor_e=motorshow_e

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Mazda3 MPS
A Double Dose of Zoom-Zoom

The following summarizes information on products to be exhibited at the 2006 Geneva International Motor Show. Specifications and equipment are subject to change.

Geneva 2006 sees the global premiere of the flagship of the Mazda3 range, the all-new Mazda3 MPS, which gives sports-minded customers the chance for a double dose of Zoom-Zoom driving fun (the car is called Mazdaspeed3 in North America and Mazdaspeed Axela in Japan). With its compact, lightweight body and maximum power of more than 184kW/250PS* generated by an MZR 2.3L DISI** Turbo engine, Mazda3 MPS is one of the highest performance sports compact with front-wheel drive (FWD) on the road today.

* Mazda target subject to change upon homologation
** DISI : Direct Injection Spark Ignition

Developed under the key concept of "a dynamic sporty compact that exceeds your expectations," Mazda3 debuted in summer 2003 and has gone on to enjoy enormous popularity among customers worldwide. Selected as the 2004 European Car of the Year runner-up and winner of ca. 60 prestigious awards from countries around the world, Mazda3 is clearly recognized as one of the leading cars in the compact segment. This remarkable level of recognition boosted sales in Europe, North America and Australia. Since launch, it has become Mazda's best-selling model globally with over 750,000 units produced in just 30 months and has sustained Mazda's growth during this period..

"Mazda3 MPS, which is making its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show, dramatically reinforces the acclaimed dynamics of the original Mazda3 and delivers maximum driving pleasure through outstanding performance and a superior chassis," said Tatsuo Maeda, Programme Manager for development of the Mazda3 series. "To create this new benchmark, we looked to embody the following three requirements:

- Driving Fun: Formidable performance from the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine, along with sharply responsive handling achieved by capitalizing on the characteristics of the compact, lightweight body.
- Ownership Delight: Exterior styling that gives an immediate impression of driving fun, and an interior with a quality feel that exceeds expectations.
- Everyday, User-Friendly Convenience: An exceptional balance of driving pleasure with everyday functionality and comfort."

As a result, the flagship of the Mazda3 range features a stylishly sophisticated look combined with performance levels that make it one of the fastest sports compacts with a FWD layout. Mazda3 MPS offers truly exhilarating acceleration from a standing start, superior passing acceleration in the practical speed range and one of the highest top speeds in its class.

Mazda3 MPS is the second vehicle in the Mazda Performance Series, following the Mazda6 MPS launched in Europe two months ago. This high-performance sedan is equipped with the same MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine as the Mazda3 MPS, and incorporates a 4WD system and has a GT character with the accent on a feeling of stability. In contrast, the Mazda3 MPS uses a FWD layout to maximize the inherent agile handling characteristics of its lightweight and compact body. In addition, the FWD configuration permitted more affordable pricing, allowing Mazda the opportunity of offering Zoom-Zoom to a wider audience in an extremely fun-to-drive package.

MPS Design DNA - the Harmony of Refinement and Sensuality
Mazda3 MPS styling pursues a look of strength and solidity in a design that conveys the car's unmatched dynamic performance at a glance. Its form is characterized by boldly flared front fenders, and effective use of strong edges on the bonnet and other elements. These combine with the functional forms of the bumpers, spoilers and other parts developed for outstanding aerodynamic performance, to make a radical Zoom-Zoom statement in an FWD sports compact. Overall, Mazda3 MPS's design is sporty and strong, befitting a high-performance model, without exaggerated styling cues. Instead, the focus is on creating a refined presence, which owners can take pride in. This approach is an important facet of MPS design DNA, also adopted for the Mazda6 MPS.

Exterior Design
The integrated form of the 5-door hatchback of the base model was the starting point for the individualistic statement Mazda3 MPS makes about the Zoom-Zoom spirit. Although it has the athletic form of a high-performance model, it also realizes a refined, supple look calculated to appeal to the aesthetic sensibility of the more mature driver. Its front fenders are 20 mm wider than on the base model to provide clearance for the large tyres and to evoke a well-planted stance. And to forge a uniform identity for the MPS series, two design elements are shared with the Mazda6 MPS: strong press lines flowing back along the bonnet from the upper part of the five-point grille used as the air intake for the intercooler, and the aerodynamically shaped front bumper and large lower grille serving as the air intake for the radiator. Additionally, the "floating image" angular fog lamps used here for the first time communicate the vehicle's unique personality. An athletic yet elegant side view is created by aerodynamic side skirts and 18-inch, 10-spoke aluminium alloy wheels.

The rear view is characterized by the design of the rear bumper, which suggests stable road-hold, the tailpipe with a large diameter (95 mm) and the roof spoiler with integrated high-mounted LED brake lights. These items add up to a tautly defined rear design that is instantly recognizable as the Mazda3 MPS to other drivers who see it pass.

Interior Design
A high quality black sets the tone of the interior, accented by red stitching on the seats, steering wheel, and the six-speed manual transmission shift knob to create a sporty yet refined ambience - the hallmark of a Mazda MPS model. The instrument panel includes a matte black decorative insert panel finished with a hairline treatment to underscore the vehicle's aggressively modern personality. A leather wrapped shift knob, aluminium pedals and stainless steel scuff plates further contribute to the sporty, high quality ambience that distinguishes MPS models, while semi-bucket front seats provide firm support to match the uniquely sporty performance of the Mazda3 MPS. Additionally, the instrument panel houses a blackout type speedometer (scaled to 280 km/h) in the centre position and the front seats bear the MPS logo on the seatbacks, a casual reminder that this is the highest performance model in the Mazda3 line up.

Euro Stage IV Emissions Combined with Formidable Power and Agile Handling
Mazda3 MPS is equipped with a 2.3-litre petrol direct injection turbo engine (MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo) that is Euro Stage IV compliant while generating formidable maximum power of more than 184kW/250PS at 5,500 rpm* and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm*. Installed in a lightweight and compact body, the engine propels Mazda3 MPS to a top speed of 250 km/h**, and from 0 to 100 km/h in 6.1 seconds***. These figures make the Mazda3 MPS one of the most powerful sports compacts with a FWD layout.

* Mazda target subject to change upon homologation
** Electronically limited
*** Under Mazda test conditions

To handle this level of performance, torque characteristics are carefully controlled to improve driveability. The body, suspension and brakes are specially tuned as part of the vehicle's all-round optimization. The result is outstanding performance and agile handling that deliver high levels of driving pleasure. Since this kind of driving can only normally be experienced in a pure sports car, Mazda3 MPS far exceeds driver expectations.

MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo Engine
In addition to delivering a high-performance Zoom-Zoom driving experience, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine also exhibits good environmental compatibility with low fuel consumption and Euro Stage IV emissions. This powerplant is a direct-injection turbocharged unit developed by Mazda to achieve three aspects of performance that are difficult to realize with conventional manifold injection engines: good fuel-economy and low exhaust gas emissions, powerful acceleration thanks to the turbocharger, and a full and flat torque curve throughout the rev range for exceptional engine response.

Mazda's MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo injects fuel into the cylinders at pressures as high as 11.5 MPa, which cools the combustion chambers (internal cooling effect) through latent heat of vaporization, thereby improving the charging efficiency. This can increase torque by up to 10 percent at around 3,000 rpm compared to a conventional manifold injection type turbo engine, making powerful, easy-to-control torque available across a wide range of engine speeds. This high power and flat torque curve is attained by the use of a fixed geometry turbocharger.

The internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber increases the cylinder charge volume under initial acceleration and hence the exhaust-gas flow, causing a linear increase in rotation speed of the turbocharger's compressor wheel. As a result, the turbocharger provides boost effect soon after the accelerator is pressed - at around 2,500 rpm - assuring excellent response at low to mid-engine speeds.

High-pressure direct injection of fuel into the cylinder also results in an optimized air-fuel mixture forming in the vicinity of the spark plug, reducing the risk of misfire. This allows earlier ignition, making it easy to raise the temperature of the exhaust gas. Moreover, use of a lightweight, fixed geometry turbocharger dramatically reduces the thermal capacity of the exhaust system, minimizing the loss in temperature of exhaust gas. As a result, the catalytic converter reaches its activation temperature faster after the engine is started. These advantages enable Mazda3 MPS to meet Euro Stage IV emissions regulations.

Because the internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber reduces knocking tendencies and boosts fuel economy without sacrificing low-end torque, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine has a relatively high compression ratio for a turbo engine of 9.5:1 which contributes to improved fuel economy.

The form and materials used for the respective engine components are optimized to bear the added load and heat of the increased output. The cylinder block and cylinder head are optimally shaped to increase their strength. In addition, cross drilling between the block liners and between the valve bridges on the cylinder head improves cooling performance. All moving parts have been made stronger and more rigid. The crankshaft is made of steel, and the diameter of the crank pins is increased. Connecting rods are also made of steel, and the shape of the rods is optimized. Full-floating pistons are used with increased-diameter pins. The shape of the radiator fan blades has also been optimized, the capacity of the electric fan motor increased and a flap function added to the fan shroud controls the adequate airflow to the radiator. These measures greatly improve the radiator's cooling performance at all engine speeds.
For Mazda3 MPS, the development team fine-tuned both the engine and exhaust system to produce a sporty sound that enhances driving pleasure. Tuning of the exhaust system focused on sounds in the low frequency range, while tuning of engine sound focused on the mid frequency range produced at high engine speeds to deliver an enjoyably sporty sound. A powerful exhaust note is hit the moment the engine is started, and a pleasurable sound sustained in sync with accelerator pedal input as the car gains speed.

High-level Torque Management
A wide range of optimizations give this high-power, high-torque FWD vehicle greater ease of use with more comfortable driveability and handling. Intake volume and boost pressure control suppress sudden torque peaks, assuring smooth, linear torque delivery. Additionally, torque characteristics from first through fourth gears are optimized to deliver appropriate drive power from take off. Torque control is also linked to the steering angle, and the stiffness of the left and right drive shafts is balanced with the angles optimized to control torque steer. A newly-developed limited slip differential is also adopted to provide ample torque to the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable driving in the curve.

Six-Speed Manual Transmission
The new Mazda3 MPS employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the Mazda6 MPS that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicle's high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy. A compact three-shaft design made it possible to keep the overall length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addition, Mazda3 MPS's six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide torque band of the direct-injection turbocharged engine. The transmission's high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple-cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double-cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean-action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.

High Body Rigidity and Specially Tuned Chassis
Like the Mazda3 facelift, the new Mazda3 MPS features a body with greater rigidity than the original model. The MPS version is based on the Mazda3 5-door hatchback, with local reinforcements added to realize a body sufficiently stiff and robust to stand up to the extra demands of sporty driving. Suspension and brakes have also been specially tuned for the MPS. These improvements assure a body and chassis capable of easily handling the extremely high power delivered by the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine.

Body rigidity has been increased by several features, including a reinforced front cowl member that is joined directly to a plate in the top section of the front damper mount, assuring the same rigidity as a car fitted with strut tower bars. This prevents deformation of the front suspension towers and maintains correct suspension geometry. In the lower body, a large closed section member is employed to reinforce the floor tunnel which improves the torsional rigidity of whole body. At the rear, the gusset introduced at the bottom end of the rear suspension towers restrains the tendency of the towers to displace inwards which maintains the correct suspension geometry in the rear.

Specially Tuned Suspension gives 60 Percent Improvement in Roll Stiffness
Special suspension tuning was conducted to support the high power output of Mazda3 MPS's engine. Both the MacPherson strut front suspension and multi-link rear suspension have higher coil spring rates and larger diameter stabilizer bars than the Mazda3 facelift. Dampers also have a higher damping force on the MPS. Damping force on both jounce and rebound is approximately 6 times better at low piston speed, and about 1.3 times better at moderate piston speed. Combined with the reinforced coil springs and stabilizer bars, this produces 60 percent more roll stiffness than the Mazda3 facelift.

Comparison of Suspension Specifications
Mazda3 MPS Mazda3 Facelift
Front Rear Front Rear
Coil spring rate 33N/mm 30N/mm 23N/mm 23N/mm
Stabilizer diameter 26mm 25mm 21mm 20mm
Roll stiffness 2.18deg/G 3.47deg/G

Aerodynamics Engineered for Speeds of up to 250 km/h
With its exceptional performance, Mazda3 MPS demands exceptional aerodynamics. Special attention was paid to reducing drag to enable a top speed of 250 km/h*, and to achieving aerodynamic performance that supports stable straight running, lane changing and overtaking manoeuvres at high speeds. A wide variety of underfloor parts were employed, to achieve the superior aerodynamic performance targets (Cd=0.31).

* Electronically limited

Focus on Safety - Upgraded Brake System to Match the High Power
The starting point for Mazda3 MPS safety package was to preserve the accurate, predictable handling of the original Mazda3. Large diameter 4-wheel disc brakes, ventilated 320 mm discs at front and solid 280 mm discs at rear, 8+9-inch tandem brake booster and a large 1-inch diameter master cylinder yield powerful and stable braking. Standard equipment includes 4W-ABS, emergency brake assist, and dynamic stability control (DSC), all of which provide active safety for the MPS in a range of driving scenarios. In addition, a rain-sensing wiper system and auto light system are also available (depending on market and grade) to give the driver a clear view of the road and help prevent accidents.

For protection during collision from any direction, Mazda3 MPS employs the unique Mazda Advanced Impact-energy Distribution and Absorption System to deliver a robust and safe body structure. Inside the cabin, front dual airbags are fitted as standard, along with side and curtain airbags. A collapsible brake pedal and revised steering column structure reduce the risk of injury to the driver's lower legs, while a seat belt reminder system, which confirms whether seatbelts are buckled or not, is also included to support the safety of the front and rear occupants.

Mazda3 MPS Dimensions
Mazda3 MPS
Body Type Monocoque
Seating capacity 5
Seat type 2 individual front
3 bench type rear
External Dimensions
Overall length w/license plate holder (mm) 4435
Overall width (mm) 1765
Overall height (mm) 1465
Wheelbase (mm) 2640
Front Tread (mm) 1530
Rear Tread (mm) 1515

Mazda3 MPS Technical Specifications
MZR DISI 2.3L Turbo
Engine Type Inline 4-cylinder, DOHC turbo petrol
Displacement cm3 2261
Bore x stroke mm 87.5 x 94.0
Valves 4 per cylinder
Max. power* -kW
-PS more than 184kW at 5500 rpm
more than 250PS at 5500 rpm
Max. torque* -Nm 380 at 3000 rpm
Fuel type Unleaded 98RON
Emission control system 3-way catalytic converter
Emissions ranking Euro Stage IV
Transmission 6-speed manual
Powertrain Front engine, front-wheel drive
Gear Ratios
1st 3.538
2nd 2.238
3rd 1.535
4th 1.171
5th 1.085
6th 0.853
Final drive ratio (1st - 4th) 3.941
Final drive ratio (5th - 6th) 3.350
Reverse 3.831
Performance
Top Speed** km/h 250
Acceleration***
0-100 km/h (sec) 6.1
50-100 km/h in 3rd gear (sec) 4.2
80-120 km/h in 5th gear (sec) 5.4
Fuel consumption***
Combined L/100km 9.7
Suspension and Wheels
Front suspension MacPherson Independent struts
Rear suspension Independent Multi-link
Wheel size 18 x 7J
Tyre size 215/45R18 93Y
Brakes
Type front Ventilated discs
Type rear Solid discs
Diameter front (mm) 320
Diameter rear (mm) 280

* Mazda targets subject to change upon homologation
** Electronically limited
*** Under Mazda test conditions

get the Mazda 3 Speed, 2.3L Turbo charged making 274HP. Same engine as the 6 Speed, but i think they are going to detune it a little bit. Also its FWD, but still thats alot of HP.


I like the imagination Jayson but thats a little out of my price range...im kinda goin 17-18k tops here...(Canadian)....and their not out in Canada

Its funny to GTI's are hard to find in my range...their either 22-25K almost new, 15-17K with the VR6 (I only want the 1.8T really) or their 12K with 150km on them

imagination?

wow the mazdaspeed 3 is gorgous inside. if its priced right, it could be trouble for the SRT-4

fwd and that much hp, yay

hmmmkay, sorry jayson, i thought we were referring to the 06' and under mazda 3, the turboed 3 is the 07' correct? well, i still say the 06' gti is better looking than the 06' mazda 3

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/i/nctd/q/06s-gti-1.jpg
http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640/05GJ9181720341A/2006-Volkswagen-GTI-and-Passat-Win-Awards-in-UK-A-640.jpeg

Its funny to GTI's are hard to find in my range...their either 22-25K almost new, 15-17K with the VR6 (I only want the 1.8T really) or their 12K with 150km on them

Why only the 1.8T? Its a great motor but the VR6 is better. If you can find VR6's in your range I say pick it up.

fwd and that much hp, yay

thats a good point

imagination?

Im gonna have to haggle on a Mazda3 just to get it in my price range...Theres no way on earth I could afford a Mazdasport3...but I like the imagination, cause id love to have that car

as for the GTI I am not talking 06...the 06 is a 30k (Cdn) car and as about 12-13k our of my price range

*Racer D12
It was really just fuel economy and price...the used VR6's with comparable kms are going for a higher price, and from the fuel effeciency data the 1.8T is a bit better...and even if it doesnt ask for it im putting high octane fuel in it anyways

So you think you're getting the VW 1.8T then? You should definitely use high octane even if "it doesn't call for it." My wife's Passat has a 1.8T with 17Xk miles on it. But it's engineered differently and sits longitudinal in the engine bay (Audi design). The point is if you want to extend the life of your turbo car, use the best gas and the best oil.

I think you will be very happy with the GTI

So you think you're getting the VW 1.8T then? You should definitely use high octane even if "it doesn't call for it." My wife's Passat has a 1.8T with 17Xk miles on it. But it's engineered differently and sits longitudinal in the engine bay (Audi design). The point is if you want to extend the life of your turbo car, use the best gas and the best oil.

Dude I know that! come on I owned an RSX Type S...U think I put regular in that??

But I mean I don't know if the VR6 asks for premium but thats what i would put in anyways


Question...Im not sure about reliability...I;ve heard good ive heard bad.....I've heard rust...

Dude I know that! come on I owned an RSX Type S...U think I put regular in that??

But I mean I don't know if the VR6 asks for premium but thats what i would put in anyways


Question...Im not sure about reliability...I;ve heard good ive heard bad.....I've heard rust...

I'm just saying that from my experience with a VW product, that if you want them to last you gotta be shelling out the cash.

But since you're already use to doing that from previously owning a RSX-S...

Anyway, also speaking from personal experience... the stereo system has a tendency to fuck up but you'll probably replace it. The axles were recalled on the Passat not sure about the other models. Also, depending on the year you buy, some models had cheap plastic power window brackets that would break causing the windows to drop into the doors...

GL