And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.

And I did not build the Z to be an every day car. Right now it is as I fix the brakes on my truck, no brakes is a bad thing :icon16:

yes I know but its not directed to you knowledgeable people......lol....to tell you the truth I dont even know why we are talking about this....I mean how did stating a evo in the $30,000 car range and a srt-4 being in the $20,000 car range ended up here.....nobodys crying about that.....but there is a reason why the evo is faster and $10,000 is the obvious.....I know you guys know that....just dont see whos crying about it...

i never said you were crying about it!!!

just havin a cool convo with you, i learned something from you and hopefully you from me.
i say the knowledgeable already know(so you know were i'm coming from)
and you say its not for the knowledgeable people lol. i understand for those who dont know its cool to speak on it in case they get the dumb idea that, hey a civic can beat a srt-4, just in case we have some ricers in here :cwm27:

:owned:

TV your my best friend :) :lol:

guys:disappoin i ate a weed browny and i'm as high as a kite:iceslolan :rofl: :rofl: :evillol: :banghead: :grinyes:

:thumbsup: im crazy due to shit in my life making me just as high...such as sickness and sleep depeveration!

Lets go racing!

Hah.

Just got done talking to Rob just now. Posting this as he is stepping out of my offices.

Bulldog, Rob's tune was to tune the MIVEC. It didn't do anything to raise boost, as Al, the tuner, wanted Rob to override the boost taper using a boost controller, which he didn't have at the time of the race. At the time of your last race, he was on his stock 19psi which then tapers to about 16psi near redline. He was basically almost stock as his car wasn't hooked up to the controller Al used when tuning his car. So not only was he letting off early, but he was basically stock during the runs.

Well, he has a boost controller now, which allows him to utilize the full force of the tuning, and the actual 40whp gains the tune made during his dyno-sessions.

He said he is willing if you want to see how the full-tuning runs.

And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.

And I did not build the Z to be an every day car. Right now it is as I fix the brakes on my truck, no brakes is a bad thing :icon16:


I said money wins??? Whaaaa?

I love it how words keep getting put in my mouth by like...everyone on this forum. Anyway...

Sure, spending money can yield no gains...if you buy exterior/interior parts. Or if you buy superturbonoserboosters off ebay.

But who said anything about buying the wrong parts in the first place? And who brought up price???
This thread was mad soley for one purpose and that's for Arcie to fling tampons at me.

Hah.

Just got done talking to Rob just now. Posting this as he is stepping out of my offices.

Bulldog, Rob's tune was to tune the MIVEC. It didn't do anything to raise boost, as Al, the tuner, wanted Rob to override the boost taper using a boost controller, which he didn't have at the time of the race. At the time of your last race, he was on his stock 19psi which then tapers to about 16psi near redline. He was basically almost stock as his car wasn't hooked up to the controller Al used when tuning his car. So not only was he letting off early, but he was basically stock during the runs.

Well, he has a boost controller now, which allows him to utilize the full force of the tuning, and the actual 40whp gains the tune made during his dyno-sessions.

He said he is willing if you want to see how the full-tuning runs.


I know it didn't raise his boost at at, he told me this that night. Where have you been? He also told me it was a dyno proven 40whp with the tune he currently had. Maybe he was mistaken? I dunno.

I would also love to run him again. He's a very cool guy and it'll be just as fun this time as it was last time.

Also, if his car was running exactly like stock and it really does pull that fast without any help, then even more props to the Evo IX. But it's still not pulling 3 lengths in 30 mph (just to stick to the origional arguement of this stupid thread.)

run em again :rolleyes:

I love it how words keep getting put in my mouth by like...everyone on this forum. Anyway...





-Jayson- is my god and the coolest guy in the world. His car is so much faster than my car, man i wish i could be like jayson. Today i killed a puppy with a baseball bat. . .



still love having wrods put in your mouth?

i missed this whole thread. . .to damn busy lately. But honestly Bulldog, you dont really have anything to brag about. Your still a mid-high 14 second car that lost to a high 12 second car. And we all know, "It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, any real racer will tell you that"

I agree......but as far as saying who cares how much you spent on your car if you lost you lost....is just stupied....there are going to be excuses wether or not its legit or bs......not alot of people suck up loses and take them as they come.....personaly I could careless if I get spanked by a car that has more money put in to it than I do.....and yes I lost pretty cut and dry.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......and please dont tell me that saying is supposed to be used in every race/street race cause the people that say that.....you know damn well they dont practice what they preach......cause if cassies got burned by a riced out festiva with alot of money put in to it in front of alot of people.......you know that "WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPENT ON YOUR CAR, IF YOU LOST YOU LOST" ....isnt going to be the first thing he says......and pretty much whom ever has the money is going to be the fastest and thats cut and dry.....

Ok, after trying to decipher whatever the hell you just said, I can say a few things...

1)I've gotten my shit smoked plenty of times by people who have pos cars with plenty of work. And I man up and deal with it. I've had my shit stomped by swapped Tegs, beat up looking 240s with hella SR20s, and more. And I will admit it. When I loose, I loose, when I win, I win. I've beaten cars with more money, and lost to cars with less money. Racing is fucking straight up. If you win you win, you loose you loose, nuff said. None of this bullshit "If i had more mods," or "he spent more money". Thats it.

2)Say you race an Enzo, and you get your shit stomped hard. You think that the guy in the Prancin' Horse gives two shits that his car cost so damned much and he beat a Neon? No. All he knows and cares is that he won. Game over playa'. And if you beat him, then yeah, maybe hes a bitch and fucking flip out that his super car got beat by a Neon. Or maybe he'll man up, say he lost, and go out and put some more money in his car. Remeber this fact-any time you run up on someone with what we all would consider a super car, even if you win, always remeber that if they want, they can go alot faster.

3)Bulldog, they are right. You lost to a Evo from a roll. Who the fuck cares what he had done to his Evo. He could be Chris outa PCola. HE could just have a TBE. He could be stock. He could have millions of dollars invested into his ride. You raced him, you lost. No excuses. No "if I had this" or "if he didn't have this." You lost. Put more money into your car, run him again, and see how it goes. No argument needed.

Ima let you and carnut dish it out to each other all you want. You can interpret the race how you want to. But what -Jayson-, and unfortunately Vin in TF&TF, said is true. It doesn't fucking matter how much you win or loose by. All that matters is if you win or loose.

run em again :rolleyes:


I plan on it...only this time I think I may need a superturbonoserbooster to make up the difference from his newly installed boost controller. :lol:


His car should really get a nice jump in power from the added psi.

still love having wrods put in your mouth?

i missed this whole thread. . .to damn busy lately. But honestly Bulldog, you dont really have anything to brag about. Your still a mid-high 14 second car that lost to a high 12 second car. And we all know, "It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, any real racer will tell you that"



I havent bragged about anything at all. I'm using my car and my video as a comparison to an srt and an Evo IX. It doesnt make sense if you start in this thread first. Go read the thread called Evo IX Vs. Srt-4. It's a few threads down. Then read all this and it'll make a bit more sense.


...and stop putting words in my mouth!!! :lol:

Ok, after trying to decipher whatever the hell you just
3)Bulldog, they are right. You lost to a Evo from a roll. Who the fuck cares what he had done to his Evo. He could be Chris outa PCola. HE could just have a TBE. He could be stock. He could have millions of dollars invested into his ride. You raced him, you lost. No excuses. No "if I had this" or "if he didn't have this." You lost. Put more money into your car, run him again, and see how it goes. No argument needed.

Ima let you and carnut dish it out to each other all you want. You can interpret the race how you want to. But what -Jayson-, and unfortunately Vin in TF&TF, said is true. It doesn't fucking matter how much you win or loose by. All that matters is if you win or loose.


It still seems a lot of you are missing the point of this entire 5 page rant(which I did not start up) as well as the 4 or 5 pages in the thread that was shut down by Matt.

I am not and have not made excusses as to why I lost to the Evo IX. I went into that race KNOWING I'd lose but at the end was happy with how well my car did against the modded Evo and Rob (Evo owner) was also surprised at how well I did with my car and it's minimal mods. The only reason I brought up my old race was for video evidance purposes. If the somewhat modded Evo isn't pulling 3 lengths within a 30 mph gap (75-105 mph) on me, then how is a bone stock IX going to do that to an Srt-4 with a compitant driver. 3full lengths within that short amount of time is really just a massive gap.

I say the idiot in the srt-4 that got pulled on so hard was trying to race in
4th gear, just like my idiot friend did when he was racing me. I did literally pull 3 lengths on him in the span of just over 35 mph. If he would have dropped it down into 3rd like a smart person then he would have been pulling on me.

That's all this entire thread of bullshit is about. One little comment I made that caused a bunch of people to flip out and brand me and idiot and to try and prove me wrong. Which none of them have yet to accomplish. I've seen a bunch of posted mag stats, I've heard a bunch of stories and it's all bullshit untill you have proof. And I do believe I'm the only one here with actual proof of the statements I have made.

Once again, I did not start this BS.

.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......
followed up with
could my car beat a new mustang? Yes?

How much more do they cost?

Money isnt everything, its how you spend it that counts.
and then you jump in where I was refering to 209
I'd take a new GT over the Relic any day of the week though, regaurdless of the difference in speed. The new Mustang is such a nice car to drive. The manual tranny is actually very nice as well, which is odd for a Mustang.
and then I reply to you, and forgot it was 209 that said money wins :icon16:my bad!
And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.
I said money wins??? Whaaaa?

I love it how words keep getting put in my mouth by like...everyone on this forum. Anyway...

Sure, spending money can yield no gains...if you buy exterior/interior parts. Or if you buy superturbonoserboosters off ebay.

But who said anything about buying the wrong parts in the first place? And who brought up price???
This thread was mad soley for one purpose and that's for Arcie to fling tampons at me.

I said about parts because 209 said
.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......
so yeah, go race him during the daylight and film it

:thumbsup:

followed up with

and then you jump in where I was refering to 209

and then I reply to you, and forgot it was 209 that said money wins :icon16:my bad!



I said about parts because 209 said

so yeah, go race him during the daylight and film it

:thumbsup:


TV, I think you are on a permanent high like you said. At first I thought you were kinda joking, but now I think you need some R&R, dude. ;)

Of course I'll race him again and of course it'll be recorded. But I can't guaranty it'll be during the daylight hours. Traffic sucks around here up untill 11:00 or so and we need a nice open stretch of road that's not too far out of the way. Also, I thought the video qaulity of the last one was actually very good as far as night shots are concerned. You could see his tail lights nicely. :lol:

so do you still think a evo-9 is even with a srt-4 from a roll??

And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.

And I did not build the Z to be an every day car. Right now it is as I fix the brakes on my truck, no brakes is a bad thing :icon16:

of course Im talking about money put in to the right places....what did you think I was talking about......spending a grip load of money vac lines and oil filters......

i never said you were crying about it!!!

just havin a cool convo with you, i learned something from you and hopefully you from me.
i say the knowledgeable already know(so you know were i'm coming from)
and you say its not for the knowledgeable people lol. i understand for those who dont know its cool to speak on it in case they get the dumb idea that, hey a civic can beat a srt-4, just in case we have some ricers in here :cwm27:

I know......Im not saying you were...

alot of people buy performance parts that dont work by themselves

example. I raced a guy with a 73 'maro. 350, big ass cams, Holly 4bbl...but he had old plugs and bad wires...he was slow as shit. But he thought he should be the fastest. He had other stuff too, like drag slicks :rolleyes:

if he had ignition he would have been alot faster....

so do you still think a evo-9 is even with a srt-4 from a roll??


Nah, I'd bet the Evo would give it a nice, gradual pull. But I don't think it would be complete and utter destruction either.

[QUOTE=TerminalVelocity]alot of people buy performance parts that dont work by themselves

example. I raced a guy with a 73 'maro. 350, big ass cams... QUOTE]


Ahh, you see, there's his first problem. He's got that second cam getting in the way. He woulda been much faster had he opted for just one good one ;)

alot of people buy performance parts that dont work by themselves

example. I raced a guy with a 73 'maro. 350, big ass cams, Holly 4bbl...but he had old plugs and bad wires...he was slow as shit. But he thought he should be the fastest. He had other stuff too, like drag slicks :rolleyes:

if he had ignition he would have been alot faster....

I know what you are saying but do you get what Im saying...its obvious you just cant buy bigger injectors and a boost controller put them in and raise the boost and expect to run magic times...you have to tune..Im talking about who has the funds...

I know what you are saying but do you get what Im saying...its obvious you just cant buy bigger injectors and a boost controller put them in and raise the boost and expect to run magic times...you have to tune..Im talking about who has the funds...


I have no idea what either of you two are argueing back and forth about anymore. Can't we just stick to the origional idiocy of this thread as to keep it from becoming any more complicated??? :screwy:

NO! It must be more complicated! :icon16:

Naw, I see what you are saying. But even still, skill does enter into it too. A good driver will launch a high torque car better than an idiot with slicks, you know? Although a stock civic..nomater how good a driver will 99% chance never win against...lets say...a R34 GTR with a piss poor driver.

I would love to see a stock SRT4 not get smashed by a Evo 9. I think it would get smashed. Power and gearing are on its side, the SRT4 dosent have the better of anything to its side.

And I said daytime so we can clearly see how badly the smashing happens :p

NO! It must be more complicated! :icon16:

Naw, I see what you are saying. But even still, skill does enter into it too. A good driver will launch a high torque car better than an idiot with slicks, you know? Although a stock civic..nomater how good a driver will 99% chance never win against...lets say...a R34 GTR with a piss poor driver.

I would love to see a stock SRT4 not get smashed by a Evo 9. I think it would get smashed. Power and gearing are on its side, the SRT4 dosent have the better of anything to its side.

And I said daytime so we can clearly see how badly the smashing happens :p


Nahhh, night time shots are the best for viewing tail lights...:grinyes:


Actually I'd say the srt does have a couple things on it's side. Even though It is outmatched in power, it does have better gears for the highway and it's a noticable amount lighter than an Evo. Weight matters, even while rolling an extra 400+ pounds does not help.

It's still going to get pulled on, but I think it will be that nasty.


I need to find a stock IX that will run me on video...damn.

if you were going top speed the gears would help, but the shorter gearing will make him pull harder.

And for a stock 9...should be...that...hard? :dunno:

if you were going top speed the gears would help, but the shorter gearing will make him pull harder.

And for a stock 9...should be...that...hard? :dunno:


Lower gearing helps to a certain extent. If you are constantly having to shift then you are losing some time.

NO! It must be more complicated! :icon16:

Naw, I see what you are saying. But even still, skill does enter into it too. A good driver will launch a high torque car better than an idiot with slicks, you know? Although a stock civic..nomater how good a driver will 99% chance never win against...lets say...a R34 GTR with a piss poor driver.

I would love to see a stock SRT4 not get smashed by a Evo 9. I think it would get smashed. Power and gearing are on its side, the SRT4 dosent have the better of anything to its side.

And I said daytime so we can clearly see how badly the smashing happens :p

Im not saying all you need is money and no skill.....but for example.....you have a garage tuner like me with limited amount of money but driver skill and knowledge......but the guy next door also has the driver skills and knowledge plus he has something extra to help him out he has mommy and daddy funds....so one day we decide to run and he smokes me.....I lose plain and simple.....so he talks a little shit a goes on about how much faster his car is compared to mine and how I would never amount to his car....I dont think much and take my lost like a man.....but deep down inside its obvious the reason why he won......get what im saying now..

Lower gearing helps to a certain extent. If you are constantly having to shift then you are losing some time.

you may lose alittle time but you will gain ground for being in your power band in the next shift.....alitttle something I picked up from a s2000 vs srt debate.....:naughty:

i understand what you mean, but you still shouldnt worry about stuff like that.

its like loosing to a modded supra, he has more money than me, obviously, but i dont think of that, it just fuels me more for more mods

Im telling you guys I know all of this and it dosent bother me if I lose to a faster car nore should it......but the point here is not ignoring the reason but stating the obvious....and stating the obvious doesnt consist of complaining or throwing out bs excuses.....get what Im saying.....

I think I'm going to stab my eyes out tonight.

I think I'm going to stab my eyes out tonight.


It would be better for your health in the long run if you went ahead and did that right about now.

Im telling you guys I know all of this and it dosent bother me if I lose to a faster car nore should it......but the point here is not ignoring the reason but stating the obvious....and stating the obvious doesnt consist of complaining or throwing out bs excuses.....get what Im saying.....

I know what you're saying. But in such a situation it would still sound like you're whining.

you may lose alittle time but you will gain ground for being in your power band in the next shift.....alitttle something I picked up from a s2000 vs srt debate.....:naughty:


Having a motor with a good midrange powerband also helps out with this, which I'm sure an Evo has anyway. But they are geared for short sprints on dirt roads, not highway running.

soo what I got out of this long thread was the SRT4 guy bragged about how only in 3rd gear he could pull and the evo wasnt putting lengths on him during that time? So in 1 gear IF they were next to each other from a roll in 3rd a srt4 would pull.... till the evo shifted into 4th? True. But not gonna happen any other time. This is like me taking my evo to the 06 zo6 boreds and bragging about how I can launch on them.

soo what I got out of this long thread was the SRT4 guy bragged about how only in 3rd gear he could pull and the evo wasnt putting lengths on him during that time? So in 1 gear IF they were next to each other from a roll in 3rd a srt4 would pull.... till the evo shifted into 4th? True. But not gonna happen any other time. This is like me taking my evo to the 06 zo6 boreds and bragging about how I can launch on them.


No, you're completely off the entire subject.

this one is about done, redneck my man, lets close this baby?!

this one is about done, redneck my man, lets close this baby?!

I gave it life, I shall end it...

I gave it life, I shall end it...

That is the only reason I haven't closed it yet.

I'd take a new GT over the Relic any day of the week though, regaurdless of the difference in speed. The new Mustang is such a nice car to drive. The manual tranny is actually very nice as well, which is odd for a Mustang.

Why, so you can be like everyone else? I'd MUCH rather have the Relic it's a much cooler car IMO.

Also, on the subject of money and mods in street racing, I'll say it again: This is not bracket racing, this is street racing, run what you brung.

Finally, I'm glad this is over with...