well last night i was chilling with my buddy (the guy that is always in my races) as we come up to a red light i noticed a red GTO 6.0 and i end up next to him. i do a quick check for cops, look foward for any traffic disruptions and i see the coast is clear from both. so i rev my car to about 3k the gto driver looks back and returns the rev and nods his head at me saying yup lets do this. he gets ready, I find the sweet spot in my car (the spot where i dont get as much Wheelspin when i take off from a dig) and wait for the green.

The Green drops and we take off like 2 dogs out of hell and im Right next to him. 2nd Gear he starts to inch ahead his bumper, and he shifts into third i think a bit too early so when i got into 3rd i started to pass him we get into 4th and i had 1 1/2 car on him when we reached the next light. when we arrived we looked at each other and the dude in the GTO give me a thumbs up and nods his head in a yes notion and went his way

ok now im not sure of the srt-4 specs but are you sure you beat a 400 horses 400 tourqued gto by 1 and a half cars? not calling your a liar for all i know the srt-4's could i guess ill just have to wait to the guys who know that car to say something but anywho good kill

Yeah.. i'd expect the torque off the line to kill you but good kill.

Nice kill. I'm sure the GTO guy probably wasn't flooring it. If he did there'd probably be massive wheel spin... and we all know that doesn't help when racing.

Edit: I still want to test drive both just for the hell of it. :grinyes:

ehhh dont the stock 400HP GTOS run mid to low 13s stock?

ehhh dont the stock 400HP GTOS run mid to low 13s stock?

not sure but 2005+ 6.0L 6-speeds are bad ass!

here's the thing
1) The gto weighs 3700 and the srt-4 weighs 2900
2) The Srt-4 has torque at 2,200rpm and the GTO has it at 4,000
3) as i told drifty last night if it was a good driver he wouldve lost
4) and finally, as i told drifty if it was an automatic he wouldve lost, doesnt take a genious to figure out how to floor it

oh im not doubting the kill, i dont think he would make up a lie. I just dont think that is a typical result

i agree, i think the srt would pull it off also. due to the weight ratio and the torque curve.

If the GTO had the 6.0L 400HP. I think he would have smoked you.. I think he had the low end GTO 350HP. You may have had a chance against that becuase of the weight ratio. The GTO is compared the Dodge Charger. So I am pretty sure with two experienced drivers the GTO would pull ahead with no issues.. another to remember because he is heavier he has to think about slowing down sooner than you would.

Just my thoughts

AWESOME KILL! Destroying those is really satasifying isnt it?

ehhh dont the stock 400HP GTOS run mid to low 13s stock?

yes

good kill, but i wouldnt expect it to happen very often.

oh yeah gotian, it might make max tq at 4k rpms, but im sure it makes plenty before that...

yes

good kill, but i wouldnt expect it to happen very often.

oh yeah gotian, it might make max tq at 4k rpms, but im sure it makes plenty before that...

im not saying it doesnt cause drifty said the guy launched good, i think he couldnt handle the shifting after the launch and thats why drifty won

and silverado, as i said before if it was an automatic it wouldve won easily, the autos run more consistant low 13's then the manuals, and drifty knows that too

Well either way nice kill. Drifty are you still stock? Sorry but I get the different srt4s on here confused sometimes.

here are the stats for both the SRT-4 and GTO 6.0L

SRT-4: 0-60 5.8 secs
2.4 Litre 230HP 250 lb-ft torque
Ref: http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/performance.html?context=siteIndex&type=textLink

GTO: 0-60 4.6 secs (auto) 4.7 secs (man)
6.0L LS2 400hp 400lb-ft torque
ref: http://www.pontiac.com/pdf/06Pontiac_GTO.pdf

Now the Dodge is quick.. do not get me wrong.. but it does not compare to the GTO.. my assessment is that the GTO was not at full throttle or the driver was not an experienced street racer.

Good kill, Just becareful next time comming across one of these. you may not be so lucky next time :)

here are the stats for both the SRT-4 and GTO 6.0L

SRT-4: 0-60 5.8 secs
2.4 Litre 230HP 250 lb-ft torque
Ref: http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/performance.html?context=siteIndex&type=textLink

GTO: 0-60 4.6 secs (auto) 4.7 secs (man)
6.0L LS2 400hp 400lb-ft torque
ref: http://www.pontiac.com/pdf/06Pontiac_GTO.pdf

Now the Dodge is quick.. do not get me wrong.. but it does not compare to the GTO.. my assessment is that the GTO was not at full throttle or the driver was not an experienced street racer.

Good kill, Just becareful next time comming across one of these. you may not be so lucky next time :)

Dude in the future do your research correctly so that you dont look like a noob.
You made two mistakes, 1. it couldnt of been the lower clas 350hp GTO cause he said it was a 6.0 which only comes with 400HP. the 5.7 is the one with 350.

and 2. your comparo is bull cause the numbers you posted for the SRT-4 are at the wheels and the numbers for the GTO are at the crank. the GTO puts out closser to 330 at the wheels.
so thats about 330 hp GTO at 3700lbs
and for the 4-banger its 230 hp at 2900lbs.

thats 11hp per pound for the GTO
thats 13hp per pound for the SRT-4

the SRT wins the power to weight ratio battle. Why anyone would doubt he won is beyond me. Only thing I can think of is that Bald Eagle mentality that V8s own all.
Like my mentor Yogs always says " the biggest factor in a street race is the drivers skill"

Good kill Erik! :cheers:

Owned!!!

^ well if it isnt the "Saint of Octane" himself. good ta see ya TV.

Thanks!!!

hahah, yah I am back after much ass in my life.

And I am faster than ever! !!!!

the SRT wins the power to weight ratio battle. Why anyone would doubt he won is beyond me

probably because those gtos run low 13s consistently while the sarties dont always even get into the 13s... but i dont doubt he won myself. shit happens, some people cant drive.

Think of it this way, 99% of street races i have seen from a dig is all driver. I have seen cars you wouldn't think could keep up with a faster car do it because of driver error.

The GTO is fast is hell and with a perfect driver would have no trouble with a srt4.

I deff think drifty beat the GTO he knows his car better then the other guy new his.

here's the thing
1) The gto weighs 3700 and the srt-4 weighs 2900
2) The Srt-4 has torque at 2,200rpm and the GTO has it at 4,000

You're forgetting that, that is Peak Torque at 4000rpm, it makes plenty down low...

Here is a stock 2005 6.0 LS2 GTO dyno chart...
http://gmhightechperformance.com/features/0511htp_goat_05_z.jpg



As you can see, it just doesn't randomly make the 400ft-lbs at 4000rpm, it starts off with about 300fts at nearly 2000rpm.

I can imagine him not getting an excellent launch due to lack of traction. Plus, from what I gather the GTO's have a slight wheel hop problem under heavy acceleration. So it's possible he wasn't fully in it till he was rolling in say 2nd gear, by that time Drifty was already doing his thing full bore.


:thumbsup:

Here's the article I got the info from: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0511htp_goat/

Damn the tq curve is reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll nice

Damn the tq curve is reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll nice

:iagree:

here's the thing
1) The gto weighs 3700 and the srt-4 weighs 2900
2) The Srt-4 has torque at 2,200rpm and the GTO has it at 4,000
3) as i told drifty last night if it was a good driver he wouldve lost
4) and finally, as i told drifty if it was an automatic he wouldve lost, doesnt take a genious to figure out how to floor it

that weight doesnt play such a big roll when the gto has 170hp on it.

its obvious he got lucky, and that wouldnt be the outcome had we had two equal drivers, it would be a slaughter, but its street racing, and things happen, so no need to tell him you only one by driver error, i hope were all smart enough to understand thats common sense(not trying to come off harsh) but people always feel the need to tell someone why they one. i think a "your lucky" is just fine

nice kill!!

uhh also incase you guys dont know, torque wins races not HP, HP is derived from TQ and when you have a car with an extremly flat torque cruve like that GTO does, you get instant down low power. Its violent off the line, but top end they usually fall on there face.

Dude in the future do your research correctly so that you dont look like a noob.
You made two mistakes, 1. it couldnt of been the lower clas 350hp GTO cause he said it was a 6.0 which only comes with 400HP. the 5.7 is the one with 350.

and 2. your comparo is bull cause the numbers you posted for the SRT-4 are at the wheels and the numbers for the GTO are at the crank. the GTO puts out closser to 330 at the wheels.
so thats about 330 hp GTO at 3700lbs
and for the 4-banger its 230 hp at 2900lbs.

thats 11hp per pound for the GTO
thats 13hp per pound for the SRT-4

the SRT wins the power to weight ratio battle. Why anyone would doubt he won is beyond me. Only thing I can think of is that Bald Eagle mentality that V8s own all:cheers:

because gto's run low 13's to high 12's with a good driver(the ones with 400hp) and consistant 13.5's

the FACT is stock for stock, there is no comparo. redneck just explained the tourque differences. it would be like killing a C5 vette. do you think a srt-4 can kill a c5 vette? obviously not with a equal race, but in street racing its never a equal race.



another thing to add. i'm not sure why you guys tend to use the best time the srt-4 ever got and use it as the base

that would be like me saying, vr4's run 13.1 and rednecks Z28 runs 13.0 as a base i think we can all say they run low 14's

Well either way nice kill. Drifty are you still stock? Sorry but I get the different srt4s on here confused sometimes.

Yep im still stock i've just adjusted suspension and gotten lighter better wheels with Wider tires.(a little better launch ability):smokin:

This isn't the 1st GTO ive raced before im on kill 3 for GTO's they are kinda hard to run into

Ohh yeah Gotian.. this isnt the 1st 400hp car ive beaten. so dont count me out by saying It must have been a bad driver I've SEEN BAD DRIVERS (go see my Vette story) and i know an OK driver, this was an OK driver. I had the luxury of meeting the guy today at work he shook my hand for being Brave to step up:smokin:

SO AM I A VERY LUCKY GUY ??????? YES!!!!

uhh also incase you guys dont know, torque wins races not HP, HP is derived from TQ and when you have a car with an extremly flat torque cruve like that GTO does, you get instant down low power. Its violent off the line, but top end they usually fall on there face.

this is true... but the dyno chart there kinda shows that the car doesnt fall off on top end, its power keeps increases until just before redline.

Holy Crapola!!! it Chex!!! where you been homie?

Yep im still stock i've just adjusted suspension and gotten lighter better wheels with Wider tires.(a little better launch ability):smokin:

This isn't the 1st GTO ive raced before im on kill 3 for GTO's they are kinda hard to run into

Ohh yeah Gotian.. this isnt the 1st 400hp car ive beaten. so dont count me out by saying It must have been a bad driver I've SEEN BAD DRIVERS (go see my Vette story) and i know an OK driver, this was an OK driver. I had the luxury of meeting the guy today at work he shook my hand for being Brave to step up:smokin:

SO AM I A VERY LUCKY GUY ??????? YES!!!!

so then your considered the best driver right? if you raced a car that is faster than yours and he is ok then you cant be ok, you have to be the best ever or one of the best.

or was it just driver error?

so then your considered the best driver right? if you raced a car that is faster than yours and he is ok then you cant be ok, you have to be the best ever or one of the best.

or was it just driver error?

No... Im totally not the best because my phlosophy is simple "theres always a bigger fish out there" in this one i would say it was equal ti driver error kicked in. I personally know one of the big fishes that would fry me and roast me all day long......my own brother

how old is he? my dad would hand me my ass in an equal car

Im 20, My bro is 4 yrs older than me.. pretty much taught me the ropes to race. he drives an 05 STI with same mods as me

i thought you didnt have any mods?

shoot if my dad was still alive he would still have his 70 dodge Challenger with the Hemi in it. according to my mom he was one BADASS DUDE to mess with

i thought you didnt have any mods?

suspension and rims

i thought you didnt have any mods?

Yep im still stock i've just adjusted suspension and gotten lighter better wheels with Wider tires.(a little better launch ability)

i think that might counts as mods...

my dad too is talked upon as a god at street racing down in arkansas and here in washington

sorry bout your dad, man. how old were you

Thanx, 6yrs old moms been a widow ever since

I just dont think that is a typical result

this is a "street racing" forum , i don't think typical results always happen here.

and good job paper racing guys, take the win and keep it, don't let the numbers run your lives

good kill

Dude in the future do your research correctly so that you dont look like a noob.
You made two mistakes, 1. it couldnt of been the lower clas 350hp GTO cause he said it was a 6.0 which only comes with 400HP. the 5.7 is the one with 350.

and 2. your comparo is bull cause the numbers you posted for the SRT-4 are at the wheels and the numbers for the GTO are at the crank. the GTO puts out closser to 330 at the wheels.
so thats about 330 hp GTO at 3700lbs
and for the 4-banger its 230 hp at 2900lbs.

thats 11hp per pound for the GTO
thats 13hp per pound for the SRT-4

the SRT wins the power to weight ratio battle. Why anyone would doubt he won is beyond me. Only thing I can think of is that Bald Eagle mentality that V8s own all.
Like my mentor Yogs always says " the biggest factor in a street race is the drivers skill"

Good kill Erik! :cheers:

Dude, Apparantely you can not read! It specifically says in the referance from Dodge that the HP is from the Crank.. Plus all Automotive companys give specs from the Crank.. never from the wheels. The HP from the Pontiac website is from the Crank as well.

Dude, Apparantely you can not read! It specifically says in the referance from Dodge that the HP is from the Crank.. Plus all Automotive companys give specs from the Crank.. never from the wheels. The HP from the Pontiac website is from the Crank as well.


Yeah, but it is widely known that the SRT4 is really under estimated... and that it puts down (WHP) what the factory claims is it's Crank horsepower is.

yup, most bone stock 04+ SRT-4's puts down 230+whp bone stock.

the numbers for the SRT4 are at the wheels even though they "claim" it at the crank.

Whats the elevation where you are at? That could play a huge difference too. Here in Albuq, we are 5000 above sea level and n/a cars fall on thier face big time here. Almost a full second slower than at sea level.

in miami so we are under sea level if not on sea level

2005+ 6.0L 6-speeds are bad ass!
You can say that again.

in miami so we are under sea level if not on sea level

oh...then thats pretty impressive:licka:

ok let start this off.......blah, blah, blah.......the fact of the matter is that drifty says he beat a 400hp gto with his 230hp skittle which I believe by the way cause he seems like a honest guys right.......NOW as far as 10 out of 10 races between the two cars with different drivers would have been different.......the truth is a 2005-2006 gto will beat a skittle probably 8 out of 10 times they race so obviously the gto is a faster production car.....BUT in this case it wasnt........so such it up girlys........lol

ok let start this off.......blah, blah, blah.......the fact of the matter is that drifty says he beat a 400hp gto with his 230hp skittle which I believe by the way cause he seems like a honest guys right.......NOW as far as 10 out of 10 races between the two cars with different drivers would have been different.......the truth is a 2005-2006 gto will beat a skittle probably 8 out of 10 times they race so obviously the gto is a faster production car.....BUT in this case it wasnt........so such it up girlys........lol

actaully it would win 10 out of 10 times with no error and two near equal drivers.

but your right, like i said its the street anything can happen, and he got him a very good kill

^^^^ yes my friend........unpredictable.......like jamie foxes new song (good by the way)..............is to describe street racing.........

lol

good kill

i also believe drifty since i got killed by one the other day, i reved at him, opened th window, told him to go full throttle when the light turned green, the thing was ok in 1st gear, but not a lot of traction, then pulled away nasty when the auto shifted. i think drifty just beat him off the line when he had problems with traction so it equals a race to me....

and i just had that song outta my head, i think imma put that bedroom boom back in it....

my dad too is talked upon as a god at street racing down in arkansas and here in washington

s

My daddy once cotch a bullit with his hand

Good kill but seriously I doubt the SRT's ability to win in straight up drag, that thing may have a turbo and be quick but the GTO has way more torque and cubic inch to work with. On a side note I thought GTO's had LS1's in them and aren't those 5.7s? We got one into the shop the other day and it was all torn to hell looks like someone dropped a bolt down the intake but it turns out a valve seat dropped out of the head and proceeded to reak havoc on the piston and cylinder wall, burned the seal out of the input shaft in the trans too, car only had like 300 miles on it strangest thing I've seen lately.

^^^perfect for a little thing called warrenty...lol

srt-4 cannot beat a GTO. but thats street racing, everything could happen, missing gear, bad launch, bad driver vs great driver..

good kill man..

l think normally, srt-4 might jump a little ahead but at the second gear and third, GTO would definetely blow srt-4s doors off!!

probably that guy missed gear or fucked up with something.. even a really bad driver wouldnt lose to a srt--4 by 1/2 car length.

Good kill but seriously I doubt the SRT's ability to win in straight up drag, that thing may have a turbo and be quick but the GTO has way more torque and cubic inch to work with. On a side note I thought GTO's had LS1's in them and aren't those 5.7s? We got one into the shop the other day and it was all torn to hell looks like someone dropped a bolt down the intake but it turns out a valve seat dropped out of the head and proceeded to reak havoc on the piston and cylinder wall, burned the seal out of the input shaft in the trans too, car only had like 300 miles on it strangest thing I've seen lately.

Once the LS2 came out they stuck it in the GTO. You can tell the LS2 ones by the 6.0 badge and the nostrils on the hood. This is another example of how a good driver is the best mod of them all. A bad driver could lose in even the best of cars.

well heres a vid of two 04 racing....I know the 04 gto's are slower but still hella fast.........http://videos.streetfire.net/search/gto/3/60203F97-CC1D-4AFD-81C7-1FC37533DF86.htm

well heres a vid of two 04 racing....I know the 04 gto's are slower but still hella fast.........http://videos.streetfire.net/search/gto/3/60203F97-CC1D-4AFD-81C7-1FC37533DF86.htm

stock vs. stock????

way too much of a pull...

the GTO would have to have a majorly majorly piss poor driver....

or the SRT4 is modded alot better than it says...

the 04 GTO had only 350 hp LS1. In 05 they started putting in the LS2 400hp 6.0L as the optional engine. may not seem at lot. but the LS2 has much more torque than the Ls1. I think that Srt-4 in the video was modded.. hard for me to believe a dodge 4 banger could out perform a GM V8 stock.

the 04 GTO had only 350 hp LS1. In 05 they started putting in the LS2 400hp 6.0L as the optional engine. may not seem at lot. but the LS2 has much more torque than the Ls1. I think that Srt-4 in the video was modded.. hard for me to believe a dodge 4 banger could out perform a GM V8 stock.

05 the LS2 was the only engine available. Thats kind of the cool thing about the GTO's and vettes, there is no V6 version, thus they are all fast.

I believe it but i also believe the abilities of the goats driver is a little to over estimated.

he was shifting under 4 grand bc he was breakin it in still.

are you posting that vid beleiveing that those are both stock? seriously?

i couldnt do that to a gto!!!, my dads vette couldnt do that to a gto

ummm...they aint that fast...

ummm...they aint that fast...

what arent?

the GTO's...they can be beat. Arnt you modded decently enough?

did you see how bad the srt-4 beat the gto? it was like 6 car lengths

i'm pretty sure i can kill one, but a srt-4 killing a gto by 5-6 car lengths is just stupid

are you posting that vid beleiveing that those are both stock? seriously?

i couldnt do that to a gto!!!, my dads vette couldnt do that to a gto


thought you had some mods, and with a driver who isnt the greatest you could defentally do that.

i do have mods, i'm not talking about me, nor am i saying there the fastest car on earth, i'm saying its impossible for the srt-4 to be stock and kill a stock gto by 6 car legnths, even the 350hp ones that run 13.6, aint no way in hell unless he started in 2nd gear and let of the gas for 3 seconds and then got on it.

like i said, i'm pretty sure i can kill one but by 6 car lengths??? maybe a ferrari 355 could do that. but not a stock C5 vette or even my car with my mods could do that.

for how much that gto weighs and it being an 04 is very possible.......I have seen a few vids of 04 goats being beat by the skittle.....

you people are crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what have you people done to the s/r forum.



one last time, i'm gonna ask you


and anyone on this forum(besides moderators who knows this is impossible)

do you think a stock srt-4 can out run a gto from a dig and kill it by 6 car lengths? with no errors on either side??????

^^^^on paper NO.......but on the street YES....with both equal drivers and no errors most likley not.....but on the street good drivers are hard to find...

LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU

you dont have to be a good driver in order to keep up with a srt-4 from a dig in an o4 goat, period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

driving skill only goes so far people!!!!! lets not get out of hand with this.

if it one by 2 car lengths, you could say.. driver must have sucked, or the srt-4 driver is badd ass.

but 6 car lengths is not real. the hell with paper people. its on paper for a reason. because those are times that they run, because those are the specs

and if most 04 goats run mid to high 13's and srt-4 run low14's to high 13's

fact!!!! then how then is it possible for a skittle to kill a goat by 6 cars. both bone stock, or even both with intake and exhaust.

there's driver error.

your basically saying that a srt-4 could run neck and neck with a 03 cobra

if that srt-4 and goat were at a track and the skittle lets say he ran an amazing 13.7
what do you think the goat would have ran?? a damn 15.0

do you know what you have to do in order to make a goat a 15.0 second car. error, not that he's not a ok driver, but driver error!!!

please tell me you understand.....if not then this forum may be coming to an end as we know it

also, with all these vids that are posted. i keep hearing. the other driver must have not been so good.

well hell, i guess every single srt-4 owner is a very good driver from everything i seen.

either the site is lying about mods, or there is driver error involved.

and your right, on the street anything can happen because of driver error.

understand this isnt about the skittle, its about facts. i would say the same about a stock 300zxtt rx-7tt even a 2nd gen vr4 wich is faster than both and even with its awd monsterous launch, there is no way for a mid 13 second car to kill another mid 13 seocnd car by 6 carlengths without some serious driver error.

i dont mean to come off harsh 209, we go way back, but facts are facts. i've been in more races then probably every vid on street fire, with many different cars and in many different cars.

Some of these Streetfire vids seem fixed so i dunno what to believe on some of these vids.

no way in hell could it.

From a dig could he get 6 lenghts, yes. If the gto driver roasted them for a while. But in this vid its obvious he didnt.

The way you know its bs is how the SRT4 pulled so hard, not the distance he won by. He pulled like the goat was sitting on it.

The way you know its bs is how the SRT4 pulled so hard, not the distance he won by. He pulled like the goat was sitting on it.


well both, but your exactly right. the distance and the pull. its just not happening without some huge driver error








thank you TV, i thought the all end of af was near:lol:

sheesh so much for just a street racing story....now it became a big argument..i think we should just lock this thread...its coming to an end....

hahahaha...yah, I thought so too when you said that no car can do that to a gto...I thought you meant no gto can be beat!

GOOD STUFF!

lol jeeze guys


Ok... both political parties have spoke...the Skittles and the Goats.


Now, lets let it rest... before we end up hating each other and somebody walks outta here missing an eye. :licka: