Greetings all, I am in need of some sensible opinions please. Since 2002 I have been interested in obtaining a 240SX and as a matter of fact, prior to wrecking it I was going to sell my honda civic to get one. Now 4 years later I'm almost in a position to buy a car again (I don't currently have one) and regaining my freedom from being stranded all the time. I have been searching various sources for 240 listings, primarily the internet, and have seen several prospects. Today while searching I came across a '92 Stealth r/t with the TT and AWD. Now I'm wavering because I have always liked those too. I've done a little research on the web about reliability and ratings for each vehicle and each one seems to be a sound decision. Next I tried to weigh pros and cons, but the only con that I can come up with is that the dodge weighs more than the 240SX. I had planned to do an RB25 swap in the nissan and tune to about 550whp. Even with a stock RB25 installed, the stealth still has more output in stock for with more displacement. I could overcome the weight of the stealth with turbo upgrades and the appropriate supporting hardware. Additonally, the stealth has the bounus of AWD. Not to say that AWD is king of the road (although others might argue), but I declared that my next car will not be FWD. :banghead: Granted that an 500+ hp stealth is not as much a surprise as an equally tuned RB-powered 240, it would seem that the cost of a motor swap on top of all the other hardware would be the 240's down fall when doing pros and cons when I could use the money that I would spend on the swap for turbo upgrades and such. Any insight would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance.

lol no, awd is not king of the road.......why the hell would you even think that?? King of not crashing in snow yes. But why the hell would you drive your 550HP car in snow??? plz. For the last time RWD is the best drivetrain on earth, seriously why do you think awd is king of the road???? lol thats the funniest thing since.....i dunno spinner hubcaps?

It sounds like your set on the DODGE. In all honesty, those are ugly slow heavy pos's. I would much rather have a rb 240 with 550 than a huge ugly stealth with 550....remember the dodge is a knock off of a dsm....lets not talk about reliability.

the dodge is a mitsubishi. the 3000GT VR4 and the stealth TT are twins. and AWD does rule, they can take off like a bat from hell from a dead stop in any condition, and they have 2x the grip if using hte same tires as a RWD. the only problem with the steatlh/3000gt twin's is that they weight 3700 lbs, that is 1000 lbs heavier then a 240, and they're ugly as hell, and they have really crappy interiors, and a pain in the ass to work on.

the 3000GT doesn't handle very well either becasue of the weight despite the AWD, but they are very very good highway cars, 3rd goes to 120mph on the 5 speed version.

Just test drive a 240 you've been looking at and test drive a 3000gt vr4/stealth and pick after that. It's your car so just pick the one you enjoy driving more.

RWD owns all look at every single high performance sports car made they are all rwd granted the skyline gtr is awd but that is only under load for take off as far as cornering goes rwd owns hand down

86 the stelth. Eclipse GSX is a better choice. IMO. And, yeah RWD will rock the pants off a FDW and AWD on course..

Well to digress a little bit in order to address the comment made by sidewayzS13 about RWD cars. While I do agree that RWD cars are great, please don't forget that the mitsu evo 8 (which uses AWD) was voted by SCC as the "greatest sport compact car of all time".

That's what I was looking for. I guess I was just loosing sight of what matters to me most :screwy: :silly: . Unfortunately I'm not really in a position to drive the two, however I did have a chance to test drive a stock VR4 once, and I must say that it was a pretty bad-ass ride, boost response was good considering the year of the car and whatever abuse the previous owner had subjected the car to.

Thanks again all for your inputs.

Stating the obvious, stock for stock the Stealth is faster. IMO the 3000GT looks better than both of them. I'd imagine a 550hp 240 would be alot more squirrely than a 550hp AWD Stealth.

4WD might as well be king of the road. EVOs, STi's, Skylines and so on, some of the nastiest cars in the world. Not to mention all you need is one of those devices that spilts the power and you can have all of the RWD characteristics.

But back to the topic. Comparing these cars is like comparing a fox to an elephant. Ofcourse the 240 is light, nimble, better looking than the Stealth. However the Stealth has the power and potential power advantage. Plus 4WD. The 240 most likely wins in the advantage category.

IMO if I had choice I'd take a late model 3KGT VR4 over both of them. I'd so go with the 240, less money, less problems.

Of course I could also play devils advocate and bring up maintenance for the hybrid 240. After the RB swap things start to get complicated. I definitely won't be able to take the car to my local nissan dealer for service other than an oil change (not that I would ever pay someone else to change my oil) or something like that. Whereas with the stealth, no matter what bolt-ons and mods I do, if I ever had any major maintenance issues that I couldn't resolve, my chances of getting repairs and parts is are a lot greater.

see the sad thing here is power to weigh ratio, yes a 550whp AWD car will be fast of the line, but after that it will pull all the same as a 550whp anything...no if you add power to weight ratio, a (estimated) 400whp'ish 240 would eat a awd with 550 at everything but 0-60. once a 240 has traction...there crazy...i can vouch for this 375whp 240s lay down 11.9 sec 1/4mile times...a 550whp vr4 will lay probably in that range also..maybe alittle faster. but you add just another 25-50whp and your nearing low 11 territory on a 240. a 600whp 240 will get you mid 10's a 600whp VR4 will not get 10's. power to weight owns all...less weight...there for 240sx for the win in agility. no awd system = way cheaper maintance...and why RB25? for the same price as a RB25 swap, you can have a 400whp KA-T or even SR? hopefully this post enlightens you some.

Agreed. Bottom line, if you plan on doing anything but drag racing, all signs point towards the RB-powered 240.

lol

Go ride in a 300whp S chassis.

lol

Go ride in a 300whp S chassis.

ditto...LMAO...i guess thats the best way to put it...even better though. Go ride in a 300whp S chassis that has some suspension work done!

lol awd has huge drivetrian loss, all they can do is pull hard off the line....they still have the whole rest of the quarter mile to go......which they slow donw on. Id rather be slow of the line and pull the whole quarter then pull the start and be slow the whole quarter.

And lets keep in mind the evo, sti, and skylines i wouldnt even consider "super" cars. To me there is no super car below 100 thousand. especially no 30k evo or sti lol. Maybe super car as in the general public can afford....but lets get serious.

if F1 doesnt use it, then there has to be a reason.

fist i dont consider sport compact car a reputable source. and every super car ever made other then the gtr is RWD. look at basically every type of racing from cart racing to formula 1 cars they are all rwd cause rwd owns.

True true, I just like the 4WD versatility. You can't drive an F1 on dirt, but you could damn near drive an Evo on the sun if you want to.

^haha

and i agree, if F1 doesnt use it, there has to be a reason.

^haha

and i agree, if F1 doesnt use it, there has to be a reason.

They don't have windshields or headlights, it doesn't mean you should get a car without them. :p

have you done any research on stealths? I would never buy an early generation stealth like the 1992 you described. I thinks the 95 or 96 and under had the worst drivetrain/transmission problems ever. A friend had an RT TT stealth, 1994, and he went through 2 trannys before he sold the car. They are pretty quick, running a 14.2 stock, but i dont think you will have the aftermarket support where as you can have a turbo 4cyl stock 240sx engine, that runs low 14's and is very reliable. You also have the power/weight ratio that would own the stealth. Plus, i think that having a 240 is alot more fun than driving a stealth that is a huge tanker. You need to drive both cars (of course please dont attempt to compare the speed of a stock 240sx with a stock RT) and see which one you like better. Maybe drive a mildly built SR/KA and then drive a stock RT and see which you like better. Overall, if you like both cars, and your looking for a quick car, the 240 will be more effecient for the money and what performance you will get. And just because the evo uses AWD, doesnt make the early 90's AWD cars king of the road. In that case, lets look back to the mid/late 90s and see the reviews over the MKIV supra and see how much the RWD 2JZGTE was king of the road, and in many cases still is...

yes RWD and MR is considered king of the road only in certain conditions, and hte car has to be built from the ground up for the purpose of racing. hence thats why race purpose built cars such as JGTC, SCCA speed world challenge, F1 etc are super fast being RWD because of the tires they use, the weight, the crazy ass suspension design.

on a street car, its very very hard to beat a AWD in handling. the EVO and STi is pure proof. it will dust a E46 M3 ( considered by many to be on of the higher grade RWD ) in a race track with less power.

however the 3000GT is very heavy, and the main advantage i can feel in handling would be its super high speed stability.

AWD is inferior thats all there is to it no matter the setup. And about the racing thing, if awd was better, they would build the car around that setup.....but they dont.......has to be a reason.

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=2BD832BD-BD99-4562-98CE-1C08E33CAC96&p=2

3000GT beating an R32 GT-R, they don't seem that slow.

first off thats a GTO.......BY FAR BETTER THAN THE WEAK 3000GT sent to the states.....i thought everyone new that. And the vid justifies nothing lol.

I thought they were both 300hp like the Z32.....maybe I'm wayyy off.

Anybody know what holds the fastest time on Tsukuba(forgot how to spell it)?

Evo.

But anyways, its about 240 vs. Stealth. Not 4WD against RWD. Once again, go with the 240, alot of possiblities.

i want to have a AWD car someday. but i would say to dude, get the 240. i think you will have a lot less issues with it.

AWD is inferior thats all there is to it no matter the setup. And about the racing thing, if awd was better, they would build the car around that setup.....but they dont.......has to be a reason.


would you care tell me why? i just mentioned how a stock EVO or STi with less power will destory a E46 M3 around a track. for a street setup, almost nothing beats a AWD. you make it sound like our 240's handles really good or something. but it doesn't. i'm not impressed with my 240's handling, a EVO or STi would out corner my ass anyday and can put down the power waaay sooner. when you start making over 350whp and hit the mid corner and see what happens. do that in a STi or EVO, it will just go, no drama, in the EVO's case, no understeer.

S4's are AWD and handles like crazy, EVO's and STi's are awd and handles like crazy, the lambo gallardo is AWD and so is the Merceliago is AWD and can outlap a pagani zonda S even though the Zonda S will smoke the lambo's on the straights.

and the rest other super cars that are super fast are MR's and are practically purpose built.

well yea since were comparing a 15 year old car to a 06......compare it to a z06.......alrighty then.

The tsukuba circuit has nothing to do with anything also......there have been plenty of rwd cars that previously had the record. For example the JUN silvia...yep just a silvia. And evo's were out back then too......lol. There's no way to win this rwd is better. Why would awd be better on the street???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????? Pavement is pavement. EVO's get landed on all day long by comaro's, mustangs, and everything else.

and also....those cars are built to handle there power too. Your 240 was built for 150 hp. Now you have 300....your suspension is seriously old and done with, and it wasnt ment for that much anyways....


rwd is better.......sorry. always has been always will be. Plenty of resources out there.

AWD is better for the streets because the streets have irregular surfaces, and cracks and dust. on a race track, the pavement is carpet smooth. on the AWD would be easier to drive on these types of surface.

also its ludicris that you compare a EVO to a Z06. its not even in the same class of cars. why not compare the EVO to a RX-7? to a M3? to NSX? the EVO is faster then all of those.

if you want to use a Z06, then you have to use the AWD lambos then. then it would be close.

i am not saying that a RWD can't handle but your making AWD's seem like garbage. RWD takes more skills to drive, more skills to setup right, and the AWD is more of a you just get in a go drive.

also the HKS EVO has the fastest lap time EVER for a production based car. so yeah the Jun silvia had the record, the but guess what? the EVO destroyed that lap time.

your saying how Camaros and stuff trouces the evo on hte streets? your talkin about highway runs with barely any curves. why not race on a back road and see what happens?

i'm brining up valid points and examples of cars that competes in the same class when all you do is show how biased you are.

why not show me a faster stock RWD car then a EVO 9 thats in the same class? i'll even give you the price celling of up to 50K. the only car i can think of is the C6 vette because it has over 100 hp over the EVO, or hte elise becasue it weights under a ton. but nothing else and i mean nothing else is faster.

Anybody know what holds the fastest time on Tsukuba(forgot how to spell it)?

Evo.

But anyways, its about 240 vs. Stealth. Not 4WD against RWD. Once again, go with the 240, alot of possiblities.

that is by far from an ordinary evo...its nearly 100% carbon fiber...how can you bring that up, and try to justify it against street cars were talking about? btw the hks evo is a one of a kinda...not like anyone is ever going to touch one

Isn't the fastest lap time by a f3000 or whatever? I know that even the old arta nsx lapped faster than the hks trb2 evo

that is by far from an ordinary evo...its nearly 100% carbon fiber...how can you bring that up, and try to justify it against street cars were talking about? btw the hks evo is a one of a kinda...not like anyone is ever going to touch one


and i thought that many other race cars are alot faster around teh course. i think that time trial thing is just that....a time trial for tuners/builders. I dont think its the actual lap record for everything thats ever been there........its just in THAT particular challenge. I mean like i said....the silvia once had the record.....and by no means are those race cars lol.

AWD is better for the streets because the streets have irregular surfaces, and cracks and dust. on a race track, the pavement is carpet smooth. on the AWD would be easier to drive on these types of surface.

also its ludicris that you compare a EVO to a Z06. its not even in the same class of cars. why not compare the EVO to a RX-7? to a M3? to NSX? the EVO is faster then all of those.

if you want to use a Z06, then you have to use the AWD lambos then. then it would be close.

i am not saying that a RWD can't handle but your making AWD's seem like garbage. RWD takes more skills to drive, more skills to setup right, and the AWD is more of a you just get in a go drive.

also the HKS EVO has the fastest lap time EVER for a production based car. so yeah the Jun silvia had the record, the but guess what? the EVO destroyed that lap time.

your saying how Camaros and stuff trouces the evo on hte streets? your talkin about highway runs with barely any curves. why not race on a back road and see what happens?

i'm brining up valid points and examples of cars that competes in the same class when all you do is show how biased you are.

why not show me a faster stock RWD car then a EVO 9 thats in the same class? i'll even give you the price celling of up to 50K. the only car i can think of is the C6 vette because it has over 100 hp over the EVO, or hte elise becasue it weights under a ton. but nothing else and i mean nothing else is faster.



because faster rwd cars arnt considered fucking four door sedans man....jeezus fucking christ. I love fast n furious. WTF is the world coming too. And you do know that there are MANY street courses out there right? Like public roads that are blocked off for racing.......uhhhhh yea im sorry bro, you are severely mistaken. RWD WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER.........its been proven time after time........like i said plenty of resources out there......im done with this stupid silly non-sense. there is no bias....there's just truth....

and plus all the cars in the same class are luxurious..........its a fucking 4 door grocery getter dude....wake up. No one else waistes there time on making fast 4-door grocery getters.


im going to build a super sweet fast 6-door car, and it'll be the only one in its class, and make it fwd and say its the best drivetrain on earth, because there is no other car in its class that can beat it........

oh so now you think i'm some kind of fast and furious lover? granted i enjoy the movie alot but that doesnt' mean i take it seriously at all.

and yes sr20detpower i have took a tranny out of a EVO 8 and it was the most pain in the ass tranny job i've done. the transfercase esp was a real bitch.

granted the EVO's tranny isn't bullet proof but its very strong for what it is. the only main problem the evo's have is the stock clutch going up in smoke and the 4th and 5th synchros ( which are factory recalls )

they are a hell of a lot stronger then a WRX tranny or GSX tranny or even a SR tranny.

when i say on the street chuki breathe, i don't mean no need for speed shit. you seriously are looking down on me. fine if you think your mister bad ass for seeing me as that low then fine, be it. but when i'm saying on the streets, i mean just flogging the car on the back roads. theres no freaking spectators when you do that. you just drive the damn car.

also i know the evo's interior is crap that has nothing to do with the conversation, and the C5 vettes interior is garbage too. only the C6 has a decent interior.

drive a EVO and throw it in a corner and tell me if you think its a piece of crap of not. if you havent' then shut up cause you have no experience with driving any of these cars. and oh yeah RX-7's are luxury heavy ass 4 doors. the RX-7 was never faster then any EVO's and the RX-7 is considered to be one of the best handling cars in the world.

from what i've driven, S2000, RX-7 TT, MR2 T, supra TT, 240sx, nothing comes close to the how the EVO corners or how easy it is to drive fast. granted i know i'm a crappy driver, but one of the points of my argument is that its so much easier to drive a AWD fast then a RWD. so in my case, yes it would be faster for me.

and another point SR20DETpower, you think the evo cuts corners in their drive train? why not look at the MR? or the 04 + evo's. active center differential, works the same way as the ATTESSA ETS PRO. wheel speed sensors, G sensors, and diff sensors all decides how much tq is needed to be sent from wheel to wheel. seems like a pretty high tech tranny too me.

RWD owns all look at every single high performance sports car made they are all rwd granted the skyline gtr is awd but that is only under load for take off as far as cornering goes rwd owns hand down

Aren't all Lamborghinis AWD? And the highest output production car ever, the Bugatti Veyron? A lot of Porsches too.

Aren't all Lamborghinis AWD? And the highest output production car ever, the Bugatti Veyron? A lot of Porsches too.

only the recent lambos are when audi took over. if you want to look at porsches.

the 997 Carrera 4S ( AWD ) is faster then the RR 997 Carrera S

the 996 GT3 ( RR ) is faster then the Carrera 4S

the 996 turbo ( AWD ) is as fast as the GT3

and the 996 GT2 is faster then the turbo.

so that is more proof that AWD is faster. just look at the 997. same power, more weight, but still almost a second faster then the RR version.

Well whatever someone argues about the potential and performance of AWD vs RWD I laugh…

Apple vs Orange ???? un comparable…

Now, in a SPECIFIC condition and a SPECIFIC driving style the drive terrain is taken in consideration.

For me, I drive a lot in dark whinny rods at 2 am with 1 or 2 friends, which is why I have a 240. When I tried to follow my friends MR… man was I impressed! He used to drive a 240 and man the MR is a beast! I had to push the shit out of my car just to keep up…. MR is a great car… and the MR AWD system is great (wrx understeer, but that is another story)

BUT BY NO SHAPE OR FORM DID I COMPARE MY 15 YEAR OLD CAR TO HIS BRAND NEW CAR!

It is hard to judge the car just buy one rode or one driver… but most of the people I know love their evo.

i think the central point to the argument is what YOU PERSONALLY would be faster in, just like Tat said. i have only driven my step brothers STi for a little bit, and i was really stoned, so its not the greatest example, but it just made you feel very confident in the way it corners. now for pro drivers, or whatever, maybe they will do better in a RWD setup, but take this example: say you do canyon racing now in your 240, and theres a couple people that you always lose to by just a little bit. there might not be any tuning you could do to the 240 to make you win, but if you got a AWD car that you could comfortably push the limits in to where you were faster, then you win. AWD was better for you in that case. but if you kept the 240 and practiced for years to be a better driver, and went back and beat those guys just with your increased skill, then RWD was better for you. i think all of us could greatly improve as drivers, so we could, in theory, just stick with RWD and get a lot better, or maybe switch to AWD and instantly improve.

its still a small pos, it can have all these sensors and computer programming, that won't stop it from breaking.

I give it no 2 liter will ever have what I consider good torque, so it doesn't need as beefy of a drivetrain. There is a BIG BIG BIG difference from 330lbs of torque to the wheels at 2000rpm then 200lbs of torque to the wheels at 4000rpm................ if people just can't understand that they haven't experienced it or never will learn and are pigheaded. God I would have killed to race an EVO or STI from a roll in the old Impala to make a badass example of 2 ton ownage, because from a roll that car would kick their stock ass no problem, it pulled on m3's on the highway, we are talking boltons and a few other little things in a 4400lb grocery getter just tearing up cars people thinka re way faster left and right. Sure the EVO might handle very good, but if we are truly talking about that level of greatness... it will never be reached on a street with other cars and houses or cliffs along it......... that kind of performance is only found on a properly setup race track where it can be used

how many monster trucks you seen with 4 cylinders? Even though a stoutly built 4 cylinder could almost compete in peak horsepower, its not even in the same class as far as actual real world power is concerned. Shit how many monster trucks do you see that are even stock displacement big blocks, they are all running HUGE displacement, and they aren't running small-time drivetrains either. I think Monster trucks are some of the best comparisons because it is probably the best showcase of real world power. Hell even Toyota and Nissan have stepped up with bigger v8's in the stock pick-up market.... where is all the 4 cylinder power at there? it is worthless thats what it is

if you want AWD, stick with an Audi/GTR/EVO style and skip out on the fwd transaxles, if you are really going to modify it, race it, and beat the hell out of it... you will be pleased you went the right way the first time.

I like the EVO, they are fun to drive and fast stock for stock compared to many cars as you point out, but once we start talking modified racing, a pinto could kick an evo's ass

ha i am not denying your point, but it depends on what kind of racing we're talkin about. look at 2 years back when car and driver had a modified challenge. the contenders in the EVO's class was super charged CTS-V's making over 700hp, and twin turbo R32 golfs. the EVO was the cheapest car there with only mild bolt on's, the EVO ranked 3rd out of a field of 8. the average cost of the cars in that field was 80K+ the evo costed 50k to build total including the car.

so that makes the evo a pos car in the modified world right? that must be a joke.

haha my friend with the evo was reading your post saying how its built well for a mitsu, and hes like hmmmm " thats not saying very much "

First off Im pretty sure that the stealth is AWD and all wheel steering, I know that the Vr4 is. So handling is going to go to the stealth stock.

And of course most everyone on this forum will say to get the 240 because thats what we all have! so id post this on a 3000gt forum also and get both sides of the story.

I think that which car really depends on how far this dude is willing to go< if hes spending tons of cash and a year of wrench time then the 240 would be cool... if not then the stealth is better because it would be easy to mod to get what you want, (even though the 240 is easier to work on) but an engine swap and all the shite needed to get the 240 to be able to handle that power would really add up< and on old cars your prob going to have a bunch of little shite go wrong also...

That being said you did ask for advice not the answer; and ive driven heavy cars (3000gt, 5.0 firebird) and the light 240 and guess what...they are all fun! What you have to think about is how you .like to feel when driving. The 240 is really awsome because it is so easy to drive, you really dont have to work because its so light and the fact that it is RWD makes it amazing! But my firebird was a heavy bastard and it would actually make you tired driving it because of the g forces and having to break (of cource it didnt handle as well as a stealth would) but it was also very fun and produced so much torque that the front would almost lift up! so you really need to test drive each car and make sure that you know what you want tuning-wise, but really they are both cool cars and youd prob. like them both.

Ohh and also realize that the masses dont even know what a 240sx is and youd get more looks/respect from the lowly masses from a stealth/3000gt, if thats something you care about. alright good luck dude! post a pic of what you get.

OK....

FUCK A V8, again...

AWD is quicker, not faster, in most instances.. Face it, four wheels=more rubber to pavement, common sense here people. AWD owns the autox tracks, all the time.

RWD ":":":!!!!!!!!"""""CAN"""""!!!!!!!!!:!:!:!:! be better. Fuck a nanny banging whore who brings up pro stock cars or race prepped cars to compare to a stock evo.

Biggest point besides a donkey dick, drive what you want.


Oh, and again, Fuck a V8.

OK....

FUCK A V8, again...

AWD is quicker, not faster, in most instances.. Face it, four wheels=more rubber to pavement, common sense here people. AWD owns the autox tracks, all the time.

RWD ":":":!!!!!!!!"""""CAN"""""!!!!!!!!!:!:!:!:! be better. Fuck a nanny banging whore who brings up pro stock cars or race prepped cars to compare to a stock evo.

Biggest point besides a donkey dick, drive what you want.


Oh, and again, Fuck a V8.

And, once again, :werd:

^lol, I was about to edit that before my internet turned into the 90 year old gang-bang'd, fatigued whore with cinderblocks tied to her feet and a plastic bag over her head.

Ya know, fanatic...I went back and read a bit of this thread and all I can say is "Wow...now this is one fucked up thread".

For the last time RWD is the best drivetrain on earth

It sounds like your set on the DODGE. In all honesty, those are ugly slow heavy pos's.

RWD owns all look at every single high performance sports car made they are all rwd granted the skyline gtr is awd but that is only under load for take off as far as cornering goes rwd owns hand down

And, yeah RWD will rock the pants off a FDW and AWD on course

see the sad thing here is power to weigh ratio, yes a 550whp AWD car will be fast of the line, but after that it will pull all the same as a 550whp anything

HA!!! Ever heard of a torque curve?

lol awd has huge drivetrian loss, all they can do is pull hard off the line....they still have the whole rest of the quarter mile to go......which they slow donw on

I've never been in this position before...I agree with the IDEA behind what everyone is saying, that a "true sports car should be RWD with a 5-speed", which is something I've lived by for a long time, but the way you guys are generalizing with these stupid ass comments...what the fuck? I got all those of just the first page!

RWD ownz? Wtf? You're kidding, right?

Oh...and I love the S14, TatII.

yes, I am truly ashamed of our forum.

Ya know, fanatic...I went back and read a bit of this thread and all I can say is "Wow...now this is one fucked up thread".











HA!!! Ever heard of a torque curve?



I've never been in this position before...I agree with the IDEA behind what everyone is saying, that a "true sports car should be RWD with a 5-speed", which is something I've lived by for a long time, but the way you guys are generalizing with these stupid ass comments...what the fuck? I got all those of just the first page!

RWD ownz? Wtf? You're kidding, right?

Oh...and I love the S14, TatII.


if you love it now? wait till you see it again in 3 weeks after i paint it. it will look much better. right now i have a green front and a white rear end. thats just a hint to what i did to the car.

Yea, orestes...this is an amazing thread...that's for sure...lol

You know what your name means? You by chance listen to A Perfect Circle?

What'd you do, TatII!? You didn't hurt it, did you!?!?!

yes, i listen to APC. no, it had no particular inspiration.

kouki front end?

yup, a nice kouki front end conversion with a nice lip. getting it painted as soon as i can. hopefully i can find the time and money by presidents day weekend.

that is by far from an ordinary evo...its nearly 100% carbon fiber...how can you bring that up, and try to justify it against street cars were talking about? btw the hks evo is a one of a kinda...not like anyone is ever going to touch one


I'm not talking about the HKS CF Evo. There's another one that put out another time, it a white and blue Cyber Evo.

And I can bring that car up becuase its still 4WD. If people can bring up F1 being RWD, I can definitely bring up a CF Evo, despite that not being the Evo I was referring to.

its a fucking 4 door grocery getter dude....wake up. No one else waistes there time on making fast 4-door grocery getters.



Last time I checked I didn't need a 276hp 4WD rally inspired bat out of hell to pick donuts and a gallon of milk.

Oh wow, they're sedans. So what? Now they suck? Thats one of the best selling points of Evo's and STi's. They can be stupid fast and actually fit people in the backseat.

But wow, calling Evo's a grocery getter...whack.

All I'm saying that calling RWD king of the road over 4WD ALL TOGETHER is just plaing retarded. Roads include wayyyy more than just a strip of asphalt.


edit: So you were saying that they're aren't any 4 door sedans to compete in the Evo's class. Well apparently the Evo is just that good enough whoop some fast coupes and still have 2 extra doors. Tat just named some of its biggest contenders. Add the Z and RX8, Evo still spanks their ass.

Btw, anybody see that episode of Top Gear where a Mercialago and EVO 8 MR raced on a road course? The Lambo ofcourse pulled on the straightaways, but the EVO kept fetching him in the corners. The EVO eventually won because the Lambo spun out from the pressure the EVO was putting on him. Before anyone says the Lambo driver sucked, he was an ex F1 driver.

Another cool ass thing, one of the hosts of the show, Jeremy was test driving it on the track. He was powersliding it with all the control in the world....WITH ONE FINGER. To me the EVO is the ultimate example of how good 4WD can be.

Mustangs and Maro's beating EVOs easily? Nigga please. Have you seen that video on streetfire of a 700hp EVO taking on a Kenne Belle Stang with 700hp and these other domestics pushing the same power? Evo whooped that ass...on the the highway. Now you compare the EVO's L4 to a 700HP V8. I'm sorry but I get so fucking offended when people down EVO's. They're some of the most bang for the buck cars out there. Dissin on the interior? Last time I checked, when I'm buying a sports car all I want is some nice racing seats. Which they do sport Recaro's from the factory. ARGH.

Last time I checked I didn't need a 276hp 4WD rally inspired bat out of hell to pick donuts and a gallon of milk.

Oh wow, they're sedans. So what? Now they suck? Thats one of the best selling points of Evo's and STi's. They can be stupid fast and actually fit people in the backseat.

But wow, calling Evo's a grocery getter...whack.

All I'm saying that calling RWD king of the road over 4WD ALL TOGETHER is just plaing retarded. Roads include wayyyy more than just a strip of asphalt.



lol you totally missed the point, were not talking about what makes it cool, or what gives it selling points........and yes evo's are pretty slow man..... Iv seen many evo's lose and run 14's at the track.......yea. Its sad. The luanch screws them. Evo's aint shit man im sorry you get a hard on when you see one. A moded evo sure it has potential. Id only by awd for added bonus of gripping in all-terrains.

and whoever said about the race track thing with having perfect surfaces....if its perfect surface, and awd grips so much better, dont you think they would have an advantage for better lap times??? Then F1 would sure use it...but no. And to be honest bringing up race cars, stock cars or whatever shouldnt really matter. Its an awd vs rwd discussion. If the absolute best, fastest, r&d'd automobiles use rwd in absolute perfect conditions(like someone stated)....all im saying is there's a damn reason they do. If awd was so much better, then they would use it. Remember its perfect conditions. But obviously its not....cuz why wouldnt they want the sport to be faster and more exciting???

sure road is more than pavement. But who races on a bad strip of road? yea ricers do. No one picks the bumpiest, pot holed, water puddled, dirt covered, ice storm, piece of land. Then yes awd would win......jeez us. But last time i checked this isnt the Iraqy desert run 500.

sure they both have ups and downs. Im not sayin awd absolutely doesnt handle for shit lol.

yes, i listen to APC. no, it had no particular inspiration.

Reason I ask is cuz it's the name of an APC song. Figured you probably took the name from that song cuz I thought the odds of you naming yourself after the son of Agamemnon are pretty slim.

Well I don't know what kind of Evo's, and therefore drivers are around your area, but Evo's are stock low 13 sec 1/4 cars. Even the EVO IV were recorded doing low 13s. Lets compare to some of the other sports cars in its pricer range/ perofrmance class. 350Z's run high 13s/low 14s. 300ZX run low 14s. RX8's run 14.5s. RX7's flat 14's. The newer NSX's do mid 13's. STi's even hit low 13's. Supra do mid 13s. So whatever, take it how you want, but Evo's are anything but slow.

hummm beeeer....

jesus after reading this post and realizing I had contributed to this trash I had to punch myself in the face. I suggest anyone who posted do the same.

hummm beeeer....

No no no...mmm...Jagermeister...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-5/721024/DSCN1458.JPG

Jagermeister + Rumple Minze = Black Widow/Dead Nazi...or just simply, "the shit".

Love how it seperates...good shit.

jesus after reading this post and realizing I had contributed to this trash I had to punch myself in the face. I suggest anyone who posted do the same.

lol...my posts don't count...no punchy punchy for me...lol

mmmmmmm..... closed.