Well it was me and my girl rollin around town with jeff (xautoxracerx) and we ran in to a s2000 that I have been seeing for a while........I pace him for a while but their is too much traffic to make a good run.......so jeff pulls up and me and him go from a roll again to intice the s2000 to go.........I get him by a car at the end of third.........so we hit a light and I tell jeff lets go one more time so the s2000 will know we want to go........I tryed a new method of launching and it didnt work.....jeff pulled on me off line but come second and the end of third I put another car on him.........so by this time my girl is pissed at me and doesnt want me to race anymore........but I had to run the s2000.......so we hit a three way...........I tell the guy in the s2000......on the third honk he agreed........I honked three times and we hit it........I pulled on him by a car instantly and kept pulling by the end of third.......I had him by about 2 1/2 cars.......I say lets catch the light.......well all three of us hit the light and we are idling our cars........I hold it at 2000rpms....when the light turned green my rpms jumped to 3000 and I see him take off......I drop the clutch and spin my tires till redline........by this time he is about a car ahead of me.......so now I have to play catch up.....by the end of second I start to pull....by the end of third I am at his fender.......and then we shut down........I looked back and jeff was way back their....I think he messed up on his launch.....then we race 1 last time from a 5mph roll.....I honk three times and we all hit it.....when I go to shift I miss second twice and just let off and see jeff and the s2000 go at it........so we give each other a thumbs up and head back........then we run into a yellow rx-8.....he was messing with me the whole way home but I couldnt do anything cause of the traffic..
he was revving at me when we hit the light so I reved back thats it.......all in all I wish I would have got to race the rx-8 and I really need to fix my boost leak cause 8psi sucks when I am running 13psi stock......pos boost leak..:banghead:

I'm confused, a boost leak, at least on a dsm, will just force the turbo to work a bit harder to make the same level of boost and the car runs richer, unless it's a boost leak large enough that the car shouldn't be driving, let alone racing.

Also I'm pretty sure SRT-4's have to be running more than 13 psi stock, that sounds way too low for the power they put out on a 16g variant. Your boost gauge is reading this low?

By the way a boost leak shouldn't take more than 10 bucks and an hour of time to fix, what's the deal?

well on our little 14g turbos our lines and hoeses seem pop off god knows how........when I was stock I was boostin about 14psi fallin to 13psi til redline.....got some hard pipes and all hell broke lose......I started only boostin 10psi.....I was like wtf........first I had some crappy couplers and whack ass worm clamps....got those replaced and tighten them up and got some boost back.....then raced a couple of times and now Im boostin only 8psi.......I have to do a leak test again and find the source.....

good luck on fixing the leak mang, i know how u feel, driving a car thats not fully operating :disappoin nice race, how do people mis-shift when racing? i've never done it, only at times when im casual driving, but never when racing, and i've been only really driving manual for like almost half a year? but i've drove manuals before that, just not on a daily basic like i do now, peace

209 bro You need to fix that leakage

209SRT, can you please stop the dots? Just hit enter instead of adding a bunch of dots, please.

a stock SRT4 is about as even a match as you can get for a stock S2000 from a roll. so if you're running 8psi instead of stock psi, what other mods do you have that you're still as fast as you are?

Good wins, and loss. Say, isn't your car under warranty? Have dodge fix it. Tell them the boost isn't holding. Dunno why you wanna fix it yourself, when you can have someone else do it for free :D

well on our little 14g turbos our lines and hoeses seem pop off god knows how........when I was stock I was boostin about 14psi fallin to 13psi til redline.....got some hard pipes and all hell broke lose......I started only boostin 10psi.....I was like wtf........first I had some crappy couplers and whack ass worm clamps....got those replaced and tighten them up and got some boost back.....then raced a couple of times and now Im boostin only 8psi.......I have to do a leak test again and find the source.....


14g? Don't you mean small 16g?

i nominate 209_SRT for having hte most boostleaks a year on next years AF awards!!!

i nominate 209_SRT for having hte most boostleaks a year on next years AF awards!!!

hey its not my fault jezzzzzz......or maybe it is:banghead: .......I guess thats what I get for twidling with my car too much.........:frown:

209 bro You need to fix that leakage

I know this bro.......but every time I fix a leak........presto another one pops up........I think I need a elles juan.......:lol:

a stock SRT4 is about as even a match as you can get for a stock S2000 from a roll. so if you're running 8psi instead of stock psi, what other mods do you have that you're still as fast as you are?

nothing exciting just a mopar catback and AEM cold air.........thats good for aleast 5-7hp.......or maybe less...

Good wins, and loss. Say, isn't your car under warranty? Have dodge fix it. Tell them the boost isn't holding. Dunno why you wanna fix it yourself, when you can have someone else do it for free :D

well see the thing is about dodge is that pretty much if you even change the tire valve they will not work on your car........its pretty strick over here....:mad:

14g? Don't you mean small 16g?

well our turbos are so small I consider them 14gs........:p

nothing exciting just a mopar catback and AEM cold air.........thats good for aleast 5-7hp.......or maybe less...if that's the case, i can't imagine how horrible a driver that guy is. we had one guy on s2ki who raced another stock S2k and lost by 8 cars, and wondered what was wrong with his S2000. :screwy: :rofl:

How much of a difference can you tell at only 8psi? I bet that sucks knowing some stupid problem is keeping you from what it should already have.

if that's the case, i can't imagine how horrible a driver that guy is. we had one guy on s2ki who raced another stock S2k and lost by 8 cars, and wondered what was wrong with his S2000. :screwy: :rofl:

he was actually a good driver cause he also inched out xautoxracerx in him
e36 M3.........jeff also told me that he has raced s2000 before and this one didnt seem stock......

How much of a difference can you tell at only 8psi? I bet that sucks knowing some stupid problem is keeping you from what it should already have.

tell me about it.......I am only a zip tie away or a couple of turns on the t-bolts....but the problem is........finding the leaks.......

Just a question. What does your SRT4 have done? I mean E36 M3s run like high 13s or low 14s. And SRT-4's run about the same. Plus you are saying you have a boost leak?


Edit: Oh and just so you know Im not trying to be a BMW nazi and I dont think the M3 is god. Im just wondering.

Just a question. What does your SRT4 have done? I mean E36 M3s run like high 13s or low 14s. And SRT-4's run about the same. Plus you are saying you have a boost leak?


Edit: Oh and just so you know Im not trying to be a BMW nazi and I dont think the M3 is god. Im just wondering.
that's what i was trying to figure out as well. if you have a boost leak and only 8psi on a basically stock SRT4, you're gonna be probably mid/high 14's. not quick enough to take out a "good driver" (as he stated) in an S2000.

he was actually a good driver cause he also inched out xautoxracerx in him
e36 M3.........jeff also told me that he has raced s2000 before and this one didnt seem stock......

Yeah, I have raced an s2k a while back and i took him by a car. That is when my car just had an exhaust, good tires, and no exhaust leak. This time around with an exhaust leak, bad tires, and a pulley I lost to the s2k by about a half a fender. :disappoin I was like what is going on. The s2k by the way didn't sound nothing close to being stock. It had a deeper sound coming from the motor. I would say he probably had an intake and exhaust for sure.:smokin:

Just a question. What does your SRT4 have done? I mean E36 M3s run like high 13s or low 14s. And SRT-4's run about the same. Plus you are saying you have a boost leak?


Edit: Oh and just so you know Im not trying to be a BMW nazi and I dont think the M3 is god. Im just wondering.

Hey :wink: My M3 is God. :rolleyes: :rofl:

















j/k :smokin:

that's what i was trying to figure out as well. if you have a boost leak and only 8psi on a basically stock SRT4, you're gonna be probably mid/high 14's. not quick enough to take out a "good driver" (as he stated) in an S2000.

Yeah what the heck is wrong with your srt4 :rolleyes: :evillol:

though he may have had intake, you won the first by a car, and then lost by a fender, thats enough for pure driver skill.

Ok but no one answered my question is 209 stock or modded? Because with a boost leak he shouldn’t STILL be that fast….if he is stock that is.

nothing exciting just a mopar catback and AEM cold air.........thats good for aleast 5-7hp.......or maybe less...


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well I cant say why my car is still running good even with a boost leak but I can say the boost leak sucks...........cause I could feel the 5psi difference big time.........going from 13-14psi to 8-10psi is murder........the first time I raced jeff I beat him by two cars on a small leak...........we raced again just recently I beat jeff only by a half of a car to car with a big leak........so something is still wrong.........

Yeah what the heck is wrong with your srt4 :rolleyes: :evillol:

I guess he doubts our cars jeff.........:grinyes:

I can't believe you have a new car that is already sporting boost leaks. I thought those SRT-4's were suppose to be rock solid???

well a boost leak can consist of vac lines blowing off or untightend clamps on hoses.........basically compressed air that seeps out ........nothing major just annoying......I think its leaking where I installed my hardpipes but not sure......

Yeah, I have raced an s2k a while back and i took him by a car. That is when my car just had an exhaust, good tires, and no exhaust leak. This time around with an exhaust leak, bad tires, and a pulley I lost to the s2k by about a half a fender. :disappoin I was like what is going on. The s2k by the way didn't sound nothing close to being stock. It had a deeper sound coming from the motor. I would say he probably had an intake and exhaust for sure.:smokin:fyi, intake and exhaust does nothing for an S2k. you can race a stock S2k and an i/e S2k and there will be little to no difference. :eek:

xAUTOxRACERx I think maybe your M3 needs some help then If your still losing from a dig.

^^^ hes not.......he always gets me on a dig even with his bald tires........

fyi, intake and exhaust does nothing for an S2k. you can race a stock S2k and an i/e S2k and there will be little to no difference. :eek:

i was going to say the same thing

stock srt-4's do only push 13psi stock but they say the stock motor can hold up to 20

That sounds like a pretty damn big leak if you are losing that much boost. It sounds like you are only running wastegate pressure. Seriously, go to home depot, spend $8 and make yourself a pressure tester and get this fixed. With a leak that big, you probably could just find it by listening.

^^^ I already made my own boost leak tester just for this reason..........
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/209srt/DSC01217.jpg
but when I get some time I will go over my lines and test again.....but I think the leaks coming from the hot and cold side of the intercooler......

209 srt i love the looks of those neons as for racing one...its not easy to find anything to race me off track. i have however had a run in with a 71 cuda one time..

^^^^^ 71 cuda nice........

^^^^^ 71 cuda nice........

He got killed he had a stock 350 that needed a rebuild but his car was beautifull i use to talk to him but i belive he must of moved and his cuda is now sitting at 5 star motors ( dealers in exotic cars )

but if we were racing looks he would of won any day.

I would have guessed that he was going for the classic restored look instead of a 10s beast.....

though he may have had intake, you won the first by a car, and then lost by a fender, thats enough for pure driver skill.

What are you talking about? Elaborate please.:icon16:

I guess he doubts our cars jeff.........:grinyes:

I know I think I need to throw an awards seminar and give him a PHD. :lol:

fyi, intake and exhaust does nothing for an S2k. you can race a stock S2k and an i/e S2k and there will be little to no difference. :eek:

An intake and exhaust will make a difference regardless if it was a magnaflow or some high end ones. Same with the intake. Reason being is that it gains more air and creates more flow for the motor also the exhaust will release the pressure. :2cents:

"It is kind of like farting right after you take a deep breath." (This is just an example nothing serious.) :rofl:

xAUTOxRACERx I think maybe your M3 needs some help then If your still losing from a dig.

What you talking 'bout WILLIS!:iceslolan

As for me losing from a dig again I have bald tires an exhaust leak. i am not trying to make excuses here and some of you may think that it won't make a difference. But hey do you have the M3 I have and drive it. :uhoh: I don't think so. I am not trying to be cocky here but what I am getting across here is "you are comparing a fresh off the production floor M3 compared to my 130K on the clock M3". Catch my drift????

Let me ask you think are you going to help me out? :smokin:

An intake and exhaust will make a difference regardless if it was a magnaflow or some high end ones. Same with the intake. Reason being is that it gains more air and creates more flow for the motor also the exhaust will release the pressure. :2cents:

"It is kind of like farting right after you take a deep breath." (This is just an example nothing serious.) :rofl:not all cars are created equal. but since you want to differ on this, i'll be glad to explain it to you. ;)


the S2000 as is, comes running fairly lean from the factory. it also has a very high volumetric efficiency (around 96%) which means that it's getting an extremely accurate/appropriate amount of air flow for the requirements of the engine to run optimally. this means 2 things.

A. when you add parts such as i/e it leans out the mixture, and is one of the reasons more power is created. the S2000 ECU "learns" this and changes the mixture to retain the stock mapping it desires.

B. (and this is the main reason) no matter how much you open up airflow for an engine, it will NEVER take more air than it needs. this is where the VE (volumetric efficiency) comes in. since the car has such an incredibly high VE, this means it is almost saturated as it is with the airflow it has. after all, honda did this to squeeze 240hp out of a 2.0 liter 4 banger.

so opening up the breathing even more doesn't do much, since you can't go over 100% VE. so, in the name of bolt ons, and using the stock ECU that is like a nazi with it's timing, fuel mappings, etc, there just isn't much to be had in gains.

this is different from say an LS1 camaro that has a VE of about 66% from the factory. this is why cars like the LS1 gain so much from simple bolt ons. they are opening up breathing for an engine that is practically suffocating from the factory.

not all cars are created equal. but since you want to differ on this, i'll be glad to explain it to you. ;)


the S2000 as is, comes running fairly lean from the factory. it also has a very high volumetric efficiency (around 96%) which means that it's getting an extremely accurate/appropriate amount of air flow for the requirements of the engine to run optimally. this means 2 things.

A. when you add parts such as i/e it leans out the mixture, and is one of the reasons more power is created. the S2000 ECU "learns" this and changes the mixture to retain the stock mapping it desires.

B. (and this is the main reason) no matter how much you open up airflow for an engine, it will NEVER take more air than it needs. this is where the VE (volumetric efficiency) comes in. since the car has such an incredibly high VE, this means it is almost saturated as it is with the airflow it has. after all, honda did this to squeeze 240hp out of a 2.0 liter 4 banger.

so opening up the breathing even more doesn't do much, since you can't go over 100% VE. so, in the name of bolt ons, and using the stock ECU that is like a nazi with it's timing, fuel mappings, etc, there just isn't much to be had in gains.

this is different from say an LS1 camaro that has a VE of about 66% from the factory. this is why cars like the LS1 gain so much from simple bolt ons. they are opening up breathing for an engine that is practically suffocating from the factory.

I agree not all cars are equal. That is why you can not judge another s2k from not being able to benefit from an i/e setup. So were did you get these result from?

I agree not all cars are equal. That is why you can not judge another s2k from not being able to benefit from an i/e setup. So were did you get these result from?
eh? no no, by no two cars being equal, I mean no two car makes/models. S2000's, and japanese vehicles in general, have very strict tolerances, hence the reason "factory freak" is not a term often found, if at all among imports.

no S2000 to date has gotten more than a few whp from i/e. it's the nature of the engine, and the way it's built and the tolerances that are set. so you can throw i/e on as many S2000's as you want til you're blue in the face, and none of them is going to really end up any faster than another.

as for the numbers, VE can be calculated if you know several things, and you run the car on a dyno. if you really want to know specifics, this is how you do it:

http://www.installuniversity.com/install_university/installu_articles/volumetric_efficiency/ve_computation_9.012000.htm

One thing to note, there are a few more steps than what is listed here, since the S2000 does not use MAF (obtained from the mass airflow sensor). we have a MAP sensor (manifold absolute pressure) which can be used to convert to MAF.

also, pardon my mistake, the LS1 has a VE of 76% not 66%.

[qoute=Xautoxracerx]What are you talking about? Elaborate please.[/quote]
he was actually a good driver cause he also inched out xautoxracerx in him
e36 M3.........jeff also told me that he has raced s2000 before and this one didnt seem stock......

[qoute=xautoxracerx]Yeah, I have raced an s2k a while back and i took him by a car.[/quote]

though he may have had intake, you won the first by a car, and then lost by a fender, thats enough for pure driver skill

I am confused here....you say the s2k comes lean from the factory so its pretty tuned stock......or is it restricked and needs to be opened up like alot of cars??????....I dont understand this horse dookie damit.....

I am confused here....you say the s2k comes lean from the factory so its pretty tuned stock......or is it restricked and needs to be opened up like alot of cars??????....I dont understand this horse dookie damit.....
the S2000 comes very UNrestricted from the factory. that's why it has a high VE. The higher the VE, the less restricted the engine is.

another part of that (not directly related) is that it's tuned fairly aggressively. the leaner the mixture the more power you make. (until you start detonating because you're running TOO lean)

^^^ I get what your saying now dude.........but I also feel sorry for you cause your car sounds like a bitch to mod.......there really isnt any bolt-ons that you could do to make a noticable change that wont break your pocket and keep that pricey car in good shape.......i have seen a couple of force induction ones but i dont even want to know the cost in getting one of those tuned right.....

An intake and exhaust will make a difference regardless if it was a magnaflow or some high end ones. Same with the intake. Reason being is that it gains more air and creates more flow for the motor also the exhaust will release the pressure. :2cents:

"It is kind of like farting right after you take a deep breath." (This is just an example nothing serious.) :rofl:

Thats the concept but the stock parts on it are already made well and work about as good as it can with the stock motor. Maybe if it had force induction of some sort bigger exhaust would be useful. It is possible to loose power from larger exhaust though by loosing back pressure. Honda Troll isn't the first person I have heard say that either.

^^^ I get what your saying now dude.........but I also feel sorry for you cause your car sounds like a bitch to mod.......there really isnt any bolt-ons that you could do to make a noticable change that wont break your pocket and keep that pricey car in good shape.......i have seen a couple of force induction ones but i dont even want to know the cost in getting one of those tuned right.....
exactly true. it takes a LOT of money to get more n/a power out of the S2000. and even then, your limit is going to be around 275-300whp or so. but then again, we are talking about an engine that is only a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder in the end.

now FI, that's another story. hehe. but even FI is expensive as hell. a decent turbo kit is going to cost you 6000-7000 bucks to get everything you need. tuning isn't any more difficult than any other car. but the kits are expensive because A> cost of aftermarket parts seem to relate directly to the cost of the car. and B> it includes all of the fuel component upgrades, a standalone ECU or EMS, etc.

Honda Troll nailed it

Even companies like mugen and spoon do little modifications to the motors in their cars over in japan because they are built so well...they will change the t-stat and suspension and maybe a different header some lighter parts but the engine is basically stock.

yeah but you have to remember our hondas dont come with JDM motors stock......thus the big aftermarket of go fast parts are so big.......not including the motors in japan are much better and faster stock than ours....

exactly true. it takes a LOT of money to get more n/a power out of the S2000. and even then, your limit is going to be around 275-300whp or so. but then again, we are talking about an engine that is only a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder in the end.

now FI, that's another story. hehe. but even FI is expensive as hell. a decent turbo kit is going to cost you 6000-7000 bucks to get everything you need. tuning isn't any more difficult than any other car. but the kits are expensive because A> cost of aftermarket parts seem to relate directly to the cost of the car. and B> it includes all of the fuel component upgrades, a standalone ECU or EMS, etc.

well my car comes pig rich from the factory..........unlike your car the lean cuisine........I think it would be a real problem squeezing, or turboing that thing with out adding some serious fuel.............lol

well my car comes pig rich from the factory..........unlike your car the lean cuisine........I think it would be a real problem squeezing, or turboing that thing with out adding some serious fuel.............lol
lol exactly. fortunately, our car DOES have a very agressive "learning" ECU. If more air gets added, for example, via a bolt on supercharger (they are bolt on kits), you really don't have to do any tuning. The ECU will pick up the fact that the mixture has leaned out, and will increase the injector pulse to compensate.

a turbo is different, however, because of the fact that it generally requires more precise tuning. one COULD get away with just a simple 6psi turbo kit without the fuel and ECU upgrades, which would bump you into very high 12's, but what's the fun in stopping there? :D