475 hp 2007 Shelby GT500 Coupe and Convertible

this link has a lot of pics, information, and videos.

First Shelby Mustang since 1970 (http://www.theraceforum.com/index.cfm?template=forum_topic&form_topic_id=3030&form_cat_id=13)

^ahh you beat me to it... and 475lb-ft of torque.

Wow I am still impressed. What an awesome car.

New 5.4 liter supercharged V-8

I think the engine in the background is the new V-10 from the 2006 F-250 Super Chief concept

2006 F-250 Super Chief concept (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=503456)

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Looks like the weight has gone up even more!!!
Coupe ~3,920 pounds
Convertible ~4,040 pounds
That is without gas or a driver!!!!!

Here piggy piggy piggy
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Have you driven the new GT500?

A lighter-weight GT350 should be built.

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Have you driven the new GT500?

A lighter-weight GT350 should be built.
I have driven a 05 Mustang and a Chrysler 300C SRT-8 so there is no need too. The 05 Mustang did not handle as well as my Cobra and is one reason as to why I still own it. The power and weight is roughly the same as the 300C SRT-8. The 300C is only slightly larger but it has a SLA, IRS, and better balance so it will handle better. All I have to say is for the $50K estimated price tag it’s just not worth it. The base C6 is also in this price range yet it is significantly lighter (741lbs), far superior in handling, and has a better power to weight ratio at 0.126 compared to the GT500s 0.121.

Sadly there will be no GT350 since Shelby is now doing the aftermarket thing with the CS6 Mustang. There have been rumors about a BOSS however they are only rumors since there has been no hard info from Ford on it as of yet unlike the California Special, Bullet, and Mach1 which are a go. But even if they were to make a BOSS it won’t be light weight since as the rumor and just plane common since tells you it will have to have a 5.4 in order to keep up with the new Challenger and its 6.1L Hemi (there is a 6.4 Hemi in the works as well). The days of a lighter weight somewhat performance minded Mustang ended with the last gen Cobra that is if you can call 3665lbs light.

Last time I checked, the new Mustang GT replaced the 2004 Mustang GT.

The C6 Corvette only has two seats.

The Challenger won't go into production until 2009. I'll show you the "4,000+ pound" metal piece that is actually attached on the new Challenger (R/T) concept once I find it again.

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_ford_gt500_002.jpg

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0602_ford_gt500_003.jpg

Last time I checked, the new Mustang GT replaced the 2004 Mustang GT.

The C6 Corvette only has two seats.

The Challenger won't go into production until 2009. I'll show you the "4,000+ pound" metal piece that is actually attached on the new Challenger (R/T) concept once I find it again.
When did I say anythign about the 04 Mustang GT???

How often does anyone or anything ride in the backseat???? 4 times a year tops for my car.

I dont really care all that much about the Challenger. The new Camaro is the best of the three. Its not a bad little car and its going to be targeted right at the Mustang unlike the Challenger. 186 inches long, it has an IRS and a strut-type front suspension and a 400-HP naturally aspirated aluminum block. But here is the kicker in 08 that engine (which is the base ‘vette engine) goes to 450 horses since they will add variable valve timing. Lutz’ has also made the comment that any V-8 engine made by GM will fit under the hood – that opens up a lot of engines all the way to the LS-7.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/162006144750.jpg

You said the new Mustang GT did not handle as well as your Cobra, but the new Mustang GT is the direct replacement for the previous Mustang GT.

I do like the new Camaro concept the most out of the three. I'm not sure about some of the front of it, the rear lower black bumper, or the hard-to-read retro gauges though.

A new supercharged LS9 has been reported on corvetteforum.com to replace the new LS7 which sounds odd as it is new for the 2006 Z06.

Dodge says the Challenger concept is over 196 inches long which is too long for a new "pony" car.

This is attached to the new Challenger concept:

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/330/11547.jpg

You said the new Mustang GT did not handle as well as your Cobra, but the new Mustang GT is the direct replacement for the previous Mustang GT.

I do like the new Camaro concept the most out of the three. I'm not sure about some of the front of it, the rear lower black bumper, or the hard-to-read retro gauges though.

A new supercharged LS9 has been reported on corvetteforum.com to replace the new LS7 which sounds odd as it is new for the 2006 Z06.
That’s right I said my Cobra, however if you look at the numbers its closer to my Cobra than the last GT. I owned a 02GT prior to my Cobra and the 05s do handle better than those but they are still no match for my current car.

The Camaro concept seems at least to me to have a few hints of Vette influence in the back due to the tail lights and lower bumper. The gauges are hard to read but then again I wouldn't call the 05 Mustang gauges easy to read. The whole design is out of whack; having to go from one side of the cluster to the other for your primary info is just moronic while everything else is mashed together in what little space it left. The text style of large very narrow numbers is just no optimal I said this with the last Bullet and still stand by it. Then there are some of the colors that they use and those don't help any at all.
http://www.paulsmilitarysales.com/mustangsunkendials.jpg
Now lets have a look of the previous gen. just for comparison. As you can see they are much more straight forward and easy to read.
http://www.mach1registry.com/99GT/gauges.jpg

The “Blue Devil” won’t be the next Z06 it goes above and beyond the Z06
http://www.americancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050701.001.


Oh yea did you check out the overall height of the GT500 it hasn’t been lowered at all like the last gen Cobras were. In fact the GT500 is .3” taller than the 05 Mustang GT. The claims of the new platform being better performance wise are mainly due to the size of the tires on the GT500 (P255/45R18 front tires, P285/40ZR18 rear tires). Put on a set of 245s or 275s and then run the numbers and trust me it wont be near as impressive as you think.

wtf tach on the left? fuck that

its not just the gt-500 that is heavy. most of the new muscle cars coming out weight around 4,000 lbs. the challanger weighs 4200...

its not just the gt-500 that is heavy. most of the new muscle cars coming out weight around 4,000 lbs. the challanger weighs 4200...
If they end up building the Camaro it won't be 2 tons like those two cars. It will weigh somthing around 3,700lbs.

If they end up building the Camaro it won't be 2 tons like those two cars. It will weigh somthing around 3,700lbs. yea its final there building the 09 camaro. chevy said it a few days ago

I want one :)

its not just the gt-500 that is heavy. most of the new muscle cars coming out weight around 4,000 lbs. the challanger weighs 4200...

The Dodge Magnum RT weighs 4289 pounds according to the following Car & Driver link:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8890&page_number=2

The Magnum SRT8 weighs 4379 pounds, but that is 114 pounds lighter than a Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG wagon (twice the cost).

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9833&page_number=2

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9835&page_number=2

It seems as thought the Challenger, at least in concept form, weighs 4,160 pounds, not 4,200 pounds.

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/330/11547.jpg

The Dodge Magnum RT weighs 4289 pounds according to the following Car & Driver link:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8890&page_number=2

The Magnum SRT8 weighs 4379 pounds, but that is 114 pounds lighter than a Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG wagon (twice the cost).

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9833&page_number=2

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9835&page_number=2

It seems as thought the Challenger, at least in concept form, weighs 4,160 pounds, not 4,200 pounds.

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/330/11547.jpg the magnum is a big car though it has a excuse for being heavy. and i know how much the challenger weights i was rounding it

I hope the production Challenger R/T won't weigh more than 3,700 pounds.

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There is talk that the Challenger will not be getting the same platform as the 300, Magnum, and Charger. If it does get its own platform then the weight of the Challeger will be greatly reduced. Hopefully if it does then it will still have a SLA and IRS. If it does this would force Ford to step up and do the same thing to the Mustang sice both the Challenger and Camaro will be running them.

There is talk that the Challenger will not be getting the same platform as the 300, Magnum, and Charger. If it does get its own platform then the weight of the Challeger will be greatly reduced. Hopefully if it does then it will still have a SLA and IRS. If it does this would force Ford to step up and do the same thing to the Mustang sice both the Challenger and Camaro will be running them.

the challenger weighs over 4000 pounds, jaguar d type is right on that. but considering its still a concept it could still change. IMO though the thing even looks like a boat.

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OK the hood, poor attempt at a saleen wing, chin spoiler, and Vette rims make it look like shit.

Yea the 03/04 were more agressive looking than this goofy looking thing. There is more black plastic on the outside of the GT500 than a Jeep Liberty
http://photos.velocityjournal.com/images/full/2006/193/fd2007shelbygt500convert1939323.jpg

i agree on the hood but i think its pretty sexy despite it.

OK the hood, poor attempt at a saleen wing, chin spoiler, and Vette rims make it look like shit.

Yea the 03/04 were more agressive looking than this goofy looking thing. There is more black plastic on the outside of the GT500 than a Jeep Liberty
http://photos.velocityjournal.com/images/full/2006/193/fd2007shelbygt500convert1939323.jpg

Ya, those functional side vents on them look way cool. The panel gaps don't help either or the long front and rear overhangs.

http://fast-autos.net/ford/03cobra22.jpg

The new GT500 has the best-looking wheels a modern Mustang has ever had and they look like BBS wheels.

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=BBS&wheelModel=RGR&wheelFinish=Bright+Silver+Paint

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=BBS&wheelModel=VZ&wheelFinish=Bright+Silver+Paint

A Jeep Liberty for comparison...

http://www.jeep.com/liberty/img/enlarge_15.jpg

http://www.jeep.com/liberty/img/enlarge_1.jpg

If the new Mustang is lame, then why has it had more success selling in Europe than the previous 1999-2004 model?

As far as agressive Cobras go here have a look
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/11542/cobra_9.jpg
*note new 21lb 17x9 wheels will be in soon

BBS huh well they look like Z06 wheels to me
http://www.socal28.com/z06/z06_frt_wheel1.jpg

Lets see hood vents, chin spoiler, mirrors, lower rear bumper, and the rocker moldings are all black plastic. Basicly the bottom 4 inches of the car is nothing but black plastic.

HMMM care to read a real review from a Europeans perspective?
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1794313_1,00.html

"By European standards this car is rubbish. Its engine has wasteful, unused capacity that turns fuel into nothing, it couldn’t get from one end of a country lane to the other without running out of brakes and it handles like a newborn donkey.

So what’s it like to drive? Well, the previous day I’d taken it on a hard lap of the extraordinarily beautiful Laguna Seca raceway, which, because it’s the curliest track in North America, is regarded by racing drivers all over the world as one of the greats. Mansell. Villeneuve. Even Top Gear’s Stig go all misty eyed at the mention of it.

And frankly it was more than a match for Ford’s big daft horse. Its brakes were cooked by turn six; the final slow corner completely overwhelmed the live rear axle; and through the fearsome Corkscrew, which twists down a gradient so steep you can’t even walk up it, I’m afraid Mr Ed was about as pin sharp as a punt gun. "

^Ok so the europeans don't like and I care because why?....Shoot if their not interested in them then that just leaves more for us. And if had one I wouldn't be worried about taking it around a track all I need is a strait road I'm sure it can handle pretty good for what I would want it to do I don't see alot of corkscrew turns in my future. As for looks they look good to me there is more black plastic than the '03's but alot of the balck plastic parts would get chipped realy easy if they were panited. Oh and I would like a white one with blue stripes. :D

Wait a minute after reading the article wrote on sept. 25, 2005 I'd have to say he is definatley talking about the 05 Mustang GT which you mistook or are trying to pass as a article about the GT500 Corbra...And with that the '06 Corbra is a very different car from the '05 Mustang GT and I bet the breaks won't be fried after one lap.

What use is a car that cant handle?

Fuck the 1/4, if it cant handle people will get bored driving it FAST. look at all the cars that in stock form are known over the world as great cars(either compacts, super cars, family and all in between) they may not always be the fastest, but they do have the handeling wich to most people is what you feel daily.

A car the can go great in a line but cant take the corner up ahead is worthless to me.

As if the C5 Z06 had ugly wheels?

Here is another review from Europe

http://pistonheads.co.uk/roadtests/2005FordMustangGT.htm

"The reasons I always hated the outgoing model was (a) the seats were just awful, (b) the interior had all the build quality of a microwave box (correction there actually, microwave boxes were better quality than the plastics Ford used for the old Mustang), and it was a horrible car to take a corner in."

Wait a minute after reading the article wrote on sept. 25, 2005 I'd have to say he is definatley talking about the 05 Mustang GT which you mistook or are trying to pass as a article about the GT500 Corbra...And with that the '06 Corbra is a very different car from the '05 Mustang GT and I bet the breaks won't be fried after one lap.
NO I knew it was about the GT and not the up coming GT500. But the GT500 is based off of the GT however it will have revised parts. The suspension is basicly the same and with a higher center of gravity (its .3" taller than the GT), poor weight distribution, and over all weight the only saving graces over the last gen is the rigidity of the new platform and wider tires in the rear. The wider tires actualy hide the flaws in its non strait line performance. Now on to breaks they will be brembo at least up front. But with 2 tons it needs them and even with them the stock pads will still be useless around a road course.

As if the C5 Z06 had ugly wheels?

Here is another review from Europe

http://pistonheads.co.uk/roadtests/2005FordMustangGT.htm

"The reasons I always hated the outgoing model was (a) the seats were just awful, (b) the interior had all the build quality of a microwave box (correction there actually, microwave boxes were better quality than the plastics Ford used for the old Mustang), and it was a horrible car to take a corner in."
The Z06 doen't have ugly wheels. But why wasn't Ford able to come up with their own ideas? Oh and did you know that the GT500 rims weigh around 35lbs each?

I will stick with reading Clarckson's reviews and watching TopGear. I would rather know the down sides of a car than hearing everyone praise it solely for being redesigned. Its the flaws that affect you more than hearing how much better the new Mazdaspeed 6 seats look in the GT500.

I will stick with reading Clarckson's reviews and watching TopGear.

Did you see Top Gear's review of the Corvette C6? They know just about nothing about the Corvette's "leaf springs."

Another European review of the horrible new Mustang...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/57214/ford_mustang_gt_convertible.html

yes I have. Have you ever seen what he can do with a Lotus?
http://www.gkko.com/random-videos/489/lotus-handling-against-apache/

Alright, this is a long list of corrections so here goes. First, there is no Blue Devil, it doesn't exist. The pictures posted earlier in this thread were of a normal Z06 making the now infamous runs at the Nurb under the direction of GM's own C6R team driver Jan Magnussen. Those who claimed to have heard a distinctive supercharger whine were either not as familiar with the sound as they thought or under some form of mass hysteria and the rumour that this was some "uber Z06" was debunked a long time ago.

It is also woth anoting that the only info leaked from within GM thus far regarding a Vette above the Z06 were Dave hill's comments that enthusaists waiting for a Vette above the Z06 would have a better chance of finding snowcones in Hell. There are currently some rumours circulating about an upcoming 600hp Vette around my 08-09 that appear to be fairly valid. However, these would appear to indicate little more than an expected Z06 upgrade to maintain appropriate space between the standard, and soon to be 450hp, C6 and the Z06.

As for the upcoming GT500 and it's performance, the superiority of the next SVT-engineered Mustang over previous models is plainly obvious now...long before it's debut. Having driven both the current Mustang GT and older Cobra's I can say with some certainty that the new GT is a far better handling car than even the IRS-suspended Cobra's that came before it. Initially the GT was handicapped somewhat by it's rather skinny 17" all season tires, but the new 18" wheel and tire package fixed this problem and balance and control are far better in either guise.

If you don't care to take my word for it feel free to consult Grand Am Cup results where race ready versions of the production cars are put to the test. While both the 05-06 Mustang GT's and 02 and older Mustang Cobra's are allowed to use 5.0L DOHC V-8's the GT has suffered from a power deficit of late relative to it's older sibling due to a mandatory intake restrictor and a more restrictive exhaust. The GT also currently weighs ~300lb and change more than the older Cobra's due to current regulations and the older Cobra's are allowed a front brake upgrade as well.

Advantages for the 05 include spec tie rod ends and control arms as well as 18" wheels as opposed to the older Cobra's 17" wheels (tire width and diameter is roughly equal) Nevertheless, packing siginficantly more weight, at least a little less power, and no doubt less developement time the 05 Mustang GT doesn't just outrun the older Cobra's it obliterates them.

The GT500 was developed with experience from the GAC racing teams and I see no reason to expect the GT500's handling to be less than phenomenal. The chassis and package are far superior to previous Mustangs, and unless fascinated by the letters IRS there can be little doubt that the new Mustang's SRA is far better sorted and simply a better piece of equipment.

The GT500 will be nose heavy at roughly 57/43 front/rear weight distribution, and a 3900 lb surb weight is no small car, but the car is so much better fundementally than previous Mustangs and is so much more powerful that there can be no comparison. As for GT500 weight comparisons to 300C SRT8's, the GT500 will weigh at least 200lb less than even a standard Charger RT and at least 300lb less than the typical 42##lb SRT8. This apparently insignificant difference in weight is no more than the somehow amazingly siginificant difference in weight between the last Cobra and the GT500.

As for power to weight ratios, if people choose to ignore under-rating and torque then the Corvette C6 indeed has a better power to weight ratio than does the GT500. However, the fact that there is a huge torque advantage on behalf of the GT500 is simply silly to ignore and it has been made blatantly obvious by Ford that the GT500 will be under-rated, actually producing something more like 500hp. The current 400hp C6 is nowhere near being 25hp under-rated unlike it's older and current Z06 brethren.

Returning to handling and braking, car and Driver called the GT500's handling "phenomenal", while Road and Track said that the brakes were "Big league" calling Ford's impressive claim of 70-0 in under 170ft very conservative. Note that even Ford's apparently conservative estimate is better than any factory Mustang has ever been able to muster. They also indicated that Ford's claim of a .90-.91g skidpad run would also be seriously conservative estimating at least .95g of grip. Finally, both magazines said that the GT500 was very well balanced with just a hint of understeer. Car and Driver even claimed the ability to change apex points at will after entering the turn..an ability that cars like BMW's M3 are lauded for and no previous Mustang ever seriously hinted at.

I am unsure of how anyone can even argue this with a stright face.

Great post syr74.

What you said about the handling I totally forgot. I saw on Discovery where they built the GT-R and raced it against a '99 Cobra. You were right, the thing just ran away from it.