anybody know which honda engine can kill the GOLF GTI and can kill the GOLF VR6 ?

Different years different models different HP. Please be more specific so someone who cares can provide an accurate answer.

i got a b18c1 in my civic and i spanked a 1.8t gti and a vr6

the GOLF GTI AND THE VR6 MODEL 2000

easy a d16 can kill it with a turbo kit($1,000), or you can make your own turbo kit for $500, then you can kill his ass! :D

easy a d16 can kill it with a turbo kit($1,000), or you can make your own turbo kit for $500, then you can kill his ass! :D

i suggest not to install turbo becuse it has many problem my question which engine can kill them ?

if you do turbo right is just as reliable as your n/a motor it is all in the tune and the parts your putting into it, i would say a b18c1 then turbo it. :P
just for future references these posts r kinda annoying.

as long as you tune the turbo correctly it will work just as well as the stock engine as far as reliability...but if you're talking about stock engines in a light car, the B18C1 or C5 would do the trick...so would a K20A, an F20B, and an H22.....it depends on what you're going to do to the engine and what kind of car its going to be in........

iam from EGYPT so 2 problem will face me
1- where to get that turbo kit
2- who will install that turbo. can i install my self
and tell me how much the kit coast
and i have jdm d15b vtec

Hany

anybody know which honda engine can kill the GOLF GTI and can kill the GOLF VR6 ?
Any B or k-seris with turbo

i suggest not to install turbo becuse it has many problem my question which engine can kill them ?
Any turbo honda will run 4ever with proper tuning
(stay under 12psi on stock blocks)

any Honda engine can beat those cars. It all depends on what they have done to them. Yes you can do the turbo yourself, but it sounds like you need to do A LOT of reading. Try TurboD16 (http://turbod16.com) to get some general info. The easiest way is if you can be without the car for a couple weeks while you get everything installed and tuned. A turbo kit can be assembled for about $1,000 with some used parts. More for higher quality/power. my advice to you is read read read.

ok i can install turbo but i need no compelex turbo and need cheap kit. can anyonehelp me to get that one ?

It seems like youre looking for cheap power. IMO, that;s an oxymoron. I recommend saving your money and waiting until you know what you are doing. If you try to do something now you will just end up regretting it.

order an edelbrock pre made turbo kit, they are prolly they best bolt on kit, and search egypt for a dyno... good luck. and go to homemadeturbo.com they can help you out with a home made turbo or turbod16.com for premade kits and such. once again good luck... and remember the more you read the more you know and can do. so read read read!

ok i will do and if i face any problem i will mail you .

If i were you I'd put a b16 or b18 if you have the money. Thats easy to do. Then later you can boost it.

If i were you I'd put a b16 or b18 if you have the money. Thats easy to do. Then later you can boost it.

i hope that happen but my city is a free zone area and the fucken law
say that if you need to buy a free zone car ( custums not paid ) you can not buy more than 1500cc . but if you need to use more than 1500 cc you have to buy car which paid customs fee and it conseder so expensive. i hope you get it :)

well then just boost the engine you have.....there is a site you should go visit...

www.turbod16.com

They specialize in turboing D series engines and they see big gains out of them...

as long as you tune the turbo correctly it will work just as well as the stock engine as far as reliability
are you on crack dude? When you install a high horsepower modification your reliability goes down as your HP goes up. Tuning does do a lot for the reliability of a car, but you can't not expect shit to break. It won't be as reliable as a stock engine, you're going to see problems eventually. Not only that, but your also lowering engine life.

easy a d16 can kill it with a turbo kit($1,000), or you can make your own turbo kit for $500, then you can kill his ass!

If you seriously think you can build a junkyard turbo for $500 you're insane.

WTF are you talking about...if you don't go power crazy the engine will last just fine. It is putting more stress on the parts, but there are different boosted Tegs that last just like a normal Integra.

And i would say $500 is a little low, but there are different people on turbod16 that have made them for $600-800.....

I don't think you really know what the hell you're talking about personally.....don't knock what we say until you have a clue what you're talking about!!

WTF are you talking about...if you don't go power crazy the engine will last just fine. It is putting more stress on the parts, but there are different boosted Tegs that last just like a normal Integra.

And i would say $500 is a little low, but there are different people on turbod16 that have made them for $600-800.....

I don't think you really know what the hell you're talking about personally.....don't knock what we say until you have a clue what you're talking about!!
Putting more stress on engine parts = lower reliability and engine life.

How many of these tegs are you talking about and how many different people have put together a junkyard setup for $600-800? I guarantee it isn't the majority.

On average I see junkyard turbos put together for anywhere between $1000-1500.

Personally, I don't think you actually know of any of these cases, just hearsay.

dsm t25 turbo- $100(from friend)
dsm 450 injectors- $45
uberdata base map(will tune later)- $70
dsm sidemount intercooler- junk yard
cheap piping- $40
2.5 inch downpipe- custom $50
stealthmode oil line kit- $85
no coolant lines(becuz im borke)
cx manifold(painted and cured now)- free(junk yard)
adapter plate- $40
dsm blow off valve- $30
oil/boost gauge- $60
shit load of nuts and bolts- free/$10+
alot of vaccum lines- free
alot of homemade gaskets-$12
boost controller- $35

i probably left out a few things^...cheapass hmt setup! im slappin this bitch on next weekend and im gonna run it @9-10psi. iv been building this kit for 3 months now cuz i dont have a job and im 16 :lol:

that's from turbod16.....its possible. Its not going to be a good set up, but its going to put down some power!

BTW, why are we "arguing".......theres no reason. I agree that the turbo is going to reduce reliability only if you get power crazy and/or don't build the engine correctly. Stock engines will hold as long as you aren't stupid about it.

Theres a stock engine GSR in town that makes 300whp or so and he's had it for over a year and a half w/ no problems. I'm building almost the same set up right now actually. As long as you're tuned properly, a stock GSR will hold as much as 350whp+....and if you don't believe it check out www.evans-tuning.com and check the dyno graphs

I'm not denying that they can handle the power, but as you said reliability is compromised. Would you slap on a turbo on an engine that has 100k+ miles? Even though honda engines are built to last and you could probably get another 150k out of it if the motor is in good condition and has proper maintenance throughout the life of the engine, any type of major power adder is going to compromise reliability and engine life. Even at a 7psi on say a t3/t04e turbo, the car isn't going to last the extra 150k it would as if it were stock.

The GSR you speak of is still a "baby" only has been turboed for 1.5 years. After a longer period of time he will eventually start to have problems.

And that list of parts, it says it all at the end. He's been shopping for parts for 3 months, which is what a smart person should do. Wait until the deal comes around and snatch it up as fast as you can.

I agree we don't need to argue, i apologize for the rude comments and insults. It's better to have a civilized debate about these types of things. That way only facts are presented and not personal biased opinions.

Quote, originally posted by EK_GSR »
reliable and a turbo honda dont go hand in hand. sorry.....

dumb statement.
a turbo Honda can be every bit as reliable as any other car/setup.a big enough idiot can blow up anything.
a simple kit like the Greddy should suit your needs fine.
if you're not worried about making a ton of HP,i'd keep the engine internally stock,as well as the head.
if you do want to go with stronger internals,i'd go with a turbo kit more capable of taking advantage of that.just keep in mind that the price difference between a bolt-on kit at low boost,and a really nice kit,built engine,good engine management,dyno time,etc. is huge.
you need to decide what you want before you possibly waste money on a kit that won't meet your future needs.
i'd also be concerned that the Stage 1 Exedy won't be enough to hold even a low-boost setup.
Chris



That's straight off Honda-tech.....

eh, I hate Honda-Tech. Bunch of whiney JDM whores IMO.

However, how long do you think that reliability will last? All of the people that I know that have turboed Hondas all have turboed their cars with less than 75K on the motor, whether it be a swap or original motor. Yes any idiot can blow up a motor, that isn't hard to do with a stock motor, that's a given. You put extra stress on engine internals the way a turbo can and you're reliability will go down. That's what you get with motors that weren't built for turbo. Sure it will be reliable especially using something like a Greddy kit where you see very minimal gains for a turbo kit, but not for the potential life of the motor if it wasn't turboed. That is all I'm saying.

About the Exedy clutch, I infact know personally that an Exedy OEM clutch will handle power. My friend is using one, and has been since he turboed his DA. At 13psi he's making 280whp and 245 lb/ft of torque. No slipping from the clutch as of yet, but then it's only been on there for about 6 months.

of cource turbo will make the life of the engine is small and i will prove that:
hoursepower = PLAN
P= pressure L= lenth A =AREA N=NUMBER

that mean if i need to increase the hourse power i will increase any of these factor. i cant increase the lenth or the area because that mean change the motor and so what i can increase is the pressue and the nuumber (RPM) and that what turbo do but note the material which the engen made from are not design to can act with that addetinal power
so the faliar for the engin parts will start but depend on your boosting in turbo. and you have to ask your self question. why not honda motor did not made turbo in the d15b. but if you use turbo and use it very short time and every month for exampel it may be possibol.
so any one has cheep turbo :)))))

Whiney or not, they know more than most people on here.....they have more first hand experience on boost.....

Only if Polygon still posted in our turbo forum. He is a plethora of knowledge.