N2O vs TURBO vs SUPERCHARGED vs ALL MOTOR

This time I am not going to argue... All I want is every body to vote and reply with your reason why.....
I am talking about streetable cars here folks....
I am a N2O man heres why..... I love the way naturally aspirated revs and sound and so-on but there is only so far that you can go with one.... There is nothing like the sound of a blow-off valve with a turbo, it just says "get you some!!!" But you have lag..... Super Charger There are very impressive with there power but you have to have power to make power.....
Now that all that is said.... N2O instant power there is no lag there is nothing but power..... as far as the general physics of forced induction they are all the same.... They all force are into the combustion chamber and go boom.... But with the Turbo's and Super Chargers the are always working and forcing are even when you are not raceing or in need of the power.... But the N2O only but strain on the motor when the button is mashed..... There are so many people with the misconception that N2O will blow up the motor..... That is the biggest lie.... The only thing that blows up a motor with N2O is the driver... "Guns don't kill people do" same thing..... Of course commen sense come into play here that a worn motor or a badly setup system can blow it up but thats still the persons fault..... I will admit that there are more things that can go wrong with the N2O with all the parts that can fail, but hey nothing is perfect!!! Well thats all I have to say for now.... Don't forget to vote!!!

turbo, the ends are almost limitless; look at Supras, Skylines & Buick Grand Nationals. S/C are limited by RPMs, NOS is limited by how big the bottle is (it's like beer) & the turbo is power when you need it. turbo lag isn't that significant to complain about.

you can run out of nitrous... i dont run out of turbo.

I never thought of it that way!!! Well spoke!!! But (there's always a but with me hehe) if a driver is so dumb as to not keep his bottle full whenever he thinks he might need it, he desevers to get beat!!!

Most of the fastest cars in the world used forced induction, and most of that is via turbocharging. NOS is a cool idea for the track, but for the street? How many FF street cars/drivers are able to handle an instant 50+ HP. Nothing beats the sound and feel of an all-motor engine, namely DOHC VTEC Hondas, with their high winding top end power, it feels like a race car. Supercharging, on a small displacement, low torque engine just doesnt seem like a good idea from the start. As for turbocharging, bang for the buck - it cant be beat. Most USDM available turbo vehicles can make huge gains for reletivly* small amount of money. If you wanna be the fastest, you gotta have boost.

PS - This is my first post.

Originally posted by ShockJon
I never thought of it that way!!! Well spoke!!! But (there's always a but with me hehe) if a driver is so dumb as to not keep his bottle full whenever he thinks he might need it, he desevers to get beat!!!


i raced a kid with a nitrous injected GSR once on the highway. i was just slowly pulling past him since he wasnt going as fast as i preferred, and the kid started revving on me. i hit the scramble button on my boost controller then took off.

i hit 100mph and decided to let off, and i saw him starting to roll up on me... so we kept going. it was about 3am, and the roads were clear, so i hit it again... my car has no speed governor, so i pulled thru 130mph and then let off. he held on at 125mph or so.

then suddenly i heard this really loud popping sound, and his headlights fell WAAAAAYYY back. i slowed down to alongside him, and i started revving to let him have a clear listen to my blowoff valve.

we got off the highway at the same point, and at the light, he told me, "i ran out of nitrous". i merely exclaimed to him, "well, even on the bottle, you're slower than me."

i left him in a cloud of tyre smoke when the light turned green.

get real forced induction. nitrous dont cut it.

The same nitrous focus I metioned earlier against a golf with chip exaust and something else... The golf says that his psi is at 14 and it spike to 19... The focus eat his lunch..... nuff said.....
if the bottle is full and the car is tuned properly its all about driver and power.... You can make the same numbers with nitrous as with a turbo.. But $500 vs $3000+ is not a question especially if your on a budget.....

Well see which engine lasts longer, the one designed for boost(ie. low compression, DOHC, big injectors/fuel system) or the almost stock SOHC Civic/Accord with its 9.0:1 or higher compression hitting a 50+ shot everyday. You realize supercharged, methane running 6000HP+ drag racers have a CR of like .5:1 to resist detonation.

Ok heres a example for you to think about..... there have been 4 cases that I know of where people have taken the SVT Contour and put either a turbo or a S/C..... They were professionally installed and all that jive.. one of them slung a rod on the dyno after it detonated... The others blew at the track..... Out of all the SVT Contours with nitrous, there have been zero problems...... Same thing with a couple of focus owners the blew them with the turbo or S/C and the one's with nitous are still running strong..... Guns don't kill people, people do... Nitrous don't kill motors, people do.....

I will admit IF I were building a import for drag only (trailered) I would probly turbo if I were going to be in competition, but for a daily driver the nitrous is better..... Heres why..... with a turbo or S/C every time you mash the gas your are forcing the air into the motor race or not, which in turn is always putting pressure on the motor, which means the motor wears out faster..... with the nitrous you are only going to use it when you race so you never put any unwanted strain on te motor..... And as for the street cars nitrous makes a better sleeper..... no body unless they really have something is going to race something that everytime they shift it goes (ppsssshhhh) Thats not a very good sleeper sound to me!!! LOL!!! But any way as for daily driver for best OVERALL performance you can't beat NITROUS!!!!! :cool:

When did sleeper come into the equation? And as for ultimate bang for the buck, NOS will always win. But anyone can slap on the laugh gas. Is it the best or safest, people have there own opinions. As for the Contour SVT with its 2.5 V-6 mill putting out 195hp, by the way-isnt that a Mazda engine, 10.0:1 CR, never designed to handle boost. As for factory turbo cars(skylines, porsche, mitsu, nissan) not one has a CR of over 9.0. Go all motor or all boost, dont try to mix and match. For the SVT to handle boost and not blow, you would have to install head plates in order to drop the ratio a little, or rebuild the motor with lower compression pistons to be able to safely run decent amounts of boost 15-20psi. As for nitrous better on the street, keep dreaming. If you MASH the gas, your wanting to go fast and thats why boost comes on, more exhaust = more boost. I can drive around like a Honda all day, pulling 25-30mpg, yet at ANY moment( i dont need to have a bottle filled and open a valve) i can give a little more throttle, gain about 5psi of boost and thats equal to about...on my car anyway - 40HP. Enough to pass most cars. Ive actually spanked V6 pony cars(the new ones) on 5psi. And if I wanna go really fast, then I MASH it, and that adds however much HP i want, depending on how hard the pedal is pressed, the street, usually about 15-17.5 psi on the premium of course. GSR'd civics, h22 ludes, tegs, its not even funny; well, I laugh. Now LS1's are pretty quick in straight lines and when its not raining. Im rambling. If you wanted to go fast, you should have bought a fast car. ANYONE, I MEAN ANYONE can slap on Oxygen enriched fuel and say there fast, as for anyone can pump roids and say there strong.
Go fast or go home.

Nah NO2 you run out of and have to refill which cost $$$
With an electric spooler you can eliminate lag of big turbos, but I'd rather not mess with one... since turbo carb setups are difficult and costly.
and I don't think i'll waste my time with a SC.

so that leaves me with all motor... custom makin parts as i go since no body likes A20 SOHC motors all too much... DC sports used to make a header for the engine. :(


Yes N/A cars at 7,500 rpm or above sounds killer... :) when I shift up to second gear the steering wheel tried to spin my hands off. :D

here is a pic for your enjoyment:

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Ok heres a example for you to think about..... there have been 4 cases that I know of where people have taken the SVT Contour and put either a turbo or a S/C..... They were professionally installed and all that jive.. one of them slung a rod on the dyno after it detonated... The others blew at the track..... Out of all the SVT Contours with nitrous, there have been zero problems...... Same thing with a couple of focus owners the blew them with the turbo or S/C and the one's with nitous are still running strong..... Guns don't kill people, people do... Nitrous don't kill motors, people do.....

I don't think the problem is the turbos or sc's I think its the blue oval on the front of the car causing all the problems... :) Anyhow I prefer NA
I mean turbos are great and a sc'ed v6 or 8 is nice...but as for me I prefer high compression high revving(and harmless) fun. My 2.5 cents.

hehe... but have you seen the racing in stockholm 2 video with the ford escort cosworth... 450 hp... racing a supra... real nice vid.

Nitrous and turbo charged and super charged all do the exact same thing... The only difference is the package the are in!!! They are all FORCED INDUCTION...... But what I really want to see is three identicle cars that weigh the same and every thing but one be all motor and one be on the bottle and one be turboed and all be at 300 Whp..... That would be a very interesting race don't you think!?!?!?! Why doesn't some one do that to prove which is better??? I would really like to know!! :)

So you saying for instance 3 cars all the same peak HP? One turbo, one NA, and one NOS. Say a H22a swapped 93 Civ HB.
1. NA 300whp (is that possible)?
2. Turbo 300whp
3. NOS 300whp
Now a buddy of mine has a H22a 94 Accord, and it doesn't really get going tell 5krpm+, my Turbo Talon starts taking off at 3krpm, when does NOS start taking off? Are we talking hitting it once? When do you hit it (what gear, what RPM)?
Peace

every body has a diff opinion about when to shoot the N2O.... To be absolutly safe you are not supposed to spray in first gear and never under 3000RPM.... But I say thats hog wash.... I sprayed at 2500RPM and in first and had nothing but a incredible 60' time and my best ever time in the 1/8... and as for when does it hit... Ahhh the beauty of N2O... As soon as you push the button..... no spool up or any of that crap it is instant power...... :cool:

So, you only hit it once. That makes me think the all motor or especially the turbo'd H22a would win, with full boost online at less than 3K rpm, every gear, every time, souds pretty much like it would win.

When I say hit the button I mean that when the button is on the N2O is on..... Which means that when you get traction in first spray.... Then let off between shifts, and spray until the finish line or 15sec which ever comes first...... Thats the beauty of N2O because there is ZERO lag..... :cool:

NOS might have a chance on the track, but compared to boost or NA on the street, it has no chance. LAG is pretty minimal.

Hmmmmmm well I would have to say that for regular street use a turbo would be better. When you use a lot of N2O you have to retard your timing. So when you not using the N20 the car has a little less power than normal. Also, if you want to mob around the hills your not going to be shifting back and forth with your N20. Turbos are perfect for constant performance!!! Also, with a turbo you could let a friend borrow the car without worrying that they would @#$@ up the N20 and grenade your car.
How do you plan on running your car at 10-1 compression and then adding 150hp shot?? If anything you should lower the compression to 8.5-1 and increase the shot. Think of it like a supercharger or turbo. If you keep the compression lower you can up the boost and make more power.
True, with todays fancy gizmos you can get run N20 and superchargers with high compression, but if your going through the bottom you might as well set it up for max power.
Just my opinions.......I had a big block Charger with N20. Did great smoke shows...... :devil:

It seems like you've made up your mind and have chosen the N2O route.

N2O likes compression more is better.... Its not turbo.... I have 8.8:1 now I want for a nitrous motor around 10:1 to 11:1 compression.... Or at least thats what the pros are telling me in my part of the country...

NITROUS IS THE SHIT!!!!!! You can't run out of nitrous if you have more then one bottle hooked up!! =Þ~~. you feel the power right when you hit that BUTTON!! but force induction is force induction!! Whatever comes first is what i would use!!

I agree with the budget thing, although i'm new to cars but i know that n2o cost way less then turbo or supercharge.
But i heard that n2o is kinda cheating...
alot of ppl want n2o is because of Fast&Furious..
so i dunno..
in conclusion, if u want speed and low cost n2o is a great idea
but if u have the money, i'll go for turbo / supercharge

So your car can go fast with nos, turbo, or supercharged. Take that crap off and race a car that is all motor and see what happens

a nitrous kit is the most practical of the three bolt-on kits also the most dangerous. The cost of a turbocharger or supercharger kit is quite a bit more, but you'll find that the power delivered from the turbo or supercharger is much more useable, especially for road racing. Here are some of the good and bad of each system. Performancewise, a nitrous bottle is excellent if you're drag racing and as long as your car is going straight when the nitrous kicks in. Most nitrous systems are designed to work when the throttle is wide open so a nitrous system is not something you'd want for road racing. Introducing nitrous during a turn can cause the back end of your car to want to swap places with the front end (AAAAA! spin out). For road-racing in my opinon Turbocharger is best A turbocharger is an air pump designed to operate on the normally wasted energy in the engine's exhaust system. The exhaust gases that would normally flow out of the tailpipe are instread routed through a turbocharger unit mounted adjacent to the engine. Inside the turbocharger are two back-to-back turbines. On the exhaust side, a turbine uses the exhaust gases flowing through it to spin. When the exhaust-side turbine spins, so does the other turbine, forcing air into the intake of the engine. The exhaust output controls how fast the turbine spins, so at slower revs the turbine spins more slowly-and forces less air into the intake of the engine. If the force of the exhaust gases is low enough, the turbo will barely spin, if at all. As the engine rpm increases, the turbine spins faster and forces more air into the engine's intake. This is why turbos tend to work better at higher rpm and why turbochargers experience what is called turbo lag(the delayed time it takes for the turbine to spool up). Some companies use twin turbo systems, which compensate for the low/high-end sacrifice by dedicating one turbo to each situation. A supercharger is much like a turbocharger, with the biggest differnce being that a supercharger is connected directly to the crankshaft with a belt. A supercharger is matched to an engine by its displacement and belt ratio. It can provide excess airflow at any engine speed. The concentrated charge of air provided by a supercharger results in a more powerful combustion stroke in the engine's cylinders, resulting in improved engine performance. A supercharger is a self-contained unit, while the turbocharger relies on the engine's exhaust system- and, often, an intercooling system- to function, although on a smaller engine take in mid that a supercharger is going to take a considerable amount of power away from your motor (like flipping on a big AC). A nitrous system is made up of just a few components. The biggest component is the nitrous bottle itself, which is generally(because of its size) located in the trunk of your car. The most common bottle is an aluminum tank with a 10-pound capacity. A high-pressure hose delivers the nitrous from the bottle to the rest of the system under the hood. Two solenoids control the nitrous and fuel. The nitrous ad fuel are still seperated from each other as they travel to the jets, which set the calibration for the whole system. The jets are typically small brass inserts that can be easily changed for tuning purposes. Once they've passed through the jets, the nitrous and fuel are introduced into the engine. There are numerous ways to introduce nitrous and fuel into the engine. The most common method uses a thin plate mounted atop ( or between the two halves of) the intake manifold. The plate has thin brass tubes that are paired together. One tube is positioned over the other, and the upper tube usually flows nitrous, leaving the lower one for fuel. The high velocity of the nitrous as it comes out of the tube helps atomize the fuel. The nitrous can be activated in many ways; it is usually controlled by a switch operated by the driver. Nothing makes it easier to dramatically increase the power output of an engine than a nitrous system does. although Nitrous oxide is the more dangerous and the most unhealthy to your motor of the the three power sources. my personal opinion on the three systems is turbo lag time is almost non exsistant if your using a smaller turbo and the power delievery is outstanding.

i vote naturally aspirated for myself i bought my car for a daily driver i have to drive in the sun which means high temperatures are bad and in the rain which means no big intercooler im saving for for an engine swap as it is now my car has 103 hp and top speed is over 110 stock for everythring but the muffler and rims it came with i only speed for fun but if someone challenges me i push and ive for some reason beaten an integra and a turbo POS mustang after the engine swap ill have 170 hp from the engine and then with doing all the simple things i hope to reach close to 200 with minimal risk enough power to give a all those civics with tons of mods engine envy

All Motor Baby!

When I say hit the button I mean that when the button is on the N2O is on..... Which means that when you get traction in first spray.... Then let off between shifts, and spray until the finish line or 15sec which ever comes first...... Thats the beauty of N2O because there is ZERO lag..... :cool:

if ur in first, u can be revving at 3k before u drop the clutch, so by then the turbo is already spooling, and the revs dont drop back down past 3k at every shift, so u always have the turbo going, and if ur guna use NOS in every gear u know that for a turbocharged car u can get a boost controller? any level of boost at any time? did you know that? there is turbo lag? yes but who the hell launches at below 3k rpm if ur really racing, if u feather the clutch instead of dropping the clutch it wouldn't matter if ur near the redline it would still catch and go fast, but there goes ur tranny...

still for me i would pick all motor, i try to pick an all motor way for any car i have

and it does seem like u have made ur choice, i mean we give u options, and u prove us wrong, so whats the point of us giving u options if ur so bent on NOS.. remember you also said "This time I am not going to argue... All I want is every body to vote and reply with your reason why" and what are u doing? HAH

Granted I don't have any of these systems, and probably never will...I'm too damn cheap!

But here's my 2 cents anyways...

Supercharger robs horsepower to make horsepower. Unless you have a huge V8 or something with power to spare and displacement to take advantage it ain't worth it. From what I know you can't fine tune them either with boost controllers and stuff either, could be wrong.

Turbo doesn't really rob hp but it does have lag. Blessing and a curse depending on how you look at it. If you do agressive stop and go its gonna kill your gas mileage. As far as the lag, no good racer starts at idle so you should already have boost...that one doesn't take a genious to figure out.

NOS to me anyways just says, "I'm a pussy who doesn't know dick about cars but I want to be cool." Granted there's a HUGE difference between a starter package with like a 5 lb. bottle and a professional fogger system. However it is stolen horsepower as far as I'm concerned. An car's horsepower should be a car's horsepower. I don't want to hear "my car has 400 hp...with NOS." Well the other 99% of the time you don't have dick!

Enough said...'cuz I'm mad now. I hate the internet! All these awesome mods for my car...and no damn money. Shit I don't even own the car yet...F'ing deer just had to jump in front of my ride LOL.

turbo owns.......an about the lag.....if ur rich....theres always ALS:biggrin:

they all have their place. A well built motor with nitrous sounds good to me, all motor power most of the time, with a little help from nitrous the rest of the time when required. In most cases, a mild all-motor package (what most streetable hondas are running), would respond nicely to a nitrous package. So long as you have a decent bottom end, and you tune the nitrous shot on a dyno, no problems. Turbo is also certaintly a nice idea too.....it all depends on what you want to do as to which is ultimately the best - but in a lot of cases, it's chosen by personal preference. It's ashame that nitrous had to get a bad rep thanks to F&F.


- Nathan

It's ashame that nitrous had to get a bad rep thanks to F&F.


- Nathan


I second that...even though I'm not a big fan of the tank, either NA or turbo for me!!

Well if you put it this way the turbocharger, supercharger are both forced induction systems because they force the motor to work above its normal capacity.....nitrous is the same fucking way just think your forcing a liquid to spray into yourengine just as a FI system forces air into yor engine for more combustion. Its really fucking simple.

But here are my view points since I have owned everything but a supercharger.

1) Nitrous: Its not cheating.....if you win you win. If your car can beat another car without you damaging the others car than its "legal." Just think an all motor setup making any amount of hp with a shot of nitrous and take a FI running car with the same hp figures as the ALL MOTOR and no nitrous and simply the nitrous-fed car will win.......its not cheating either because he has the same power that is always running on the car just like the FI car. But nitrous is by far the best FI system to go with for the buck hince why I have a wet system for my Forced fed H22.
2). Turbo: If you have the money or can piece one together great....get that. A turbo system virtually has no lag because like someone said earlier noone revs at start from their idle spot unless your a automatic and then you can just send extra fuel to compensate for it. And turbos and superchargers can put as much stress on a motor as nitrous if not more considering it runs all the time. Even race cars blow up with FI systems and they have the whole nine in internal work. Plus people.....if someone who loves FI systems blows their car up because they boosted too high or so on....they're still going to want to use a turbo system again....same as nitrous.
3) Superchargers: Never experienced with them....so no comment.
4) All motor is the way to go cause simply if your turbo goes out on one car the other(all motor) will keep going. All motor is great because it is how the engine was meant to run at any compression just upgraded parts that were meant to be on it.

In conclusion: The track and the street are the same. Nitrous-fed cars can put upthe same fight as a FI car. You cant just say turbo or all motor will win against nitrous cars because they have to get everything ready to go....because who just blows by a person with a turbocharged car against someone with nitrous and say they won that race.....stage and then see what happens! Im for no side, if I have the money available I will go the modification route I want. I like all of them simply because I have a nitrous fed turbo h22 and an all motor accord engine and both are great....I just think the difference is the sound and you just cant really compare them cause I love the sound of all motor and I love the spooling and blowoff valve sound on a turbo car. I also love nitrous as well....and I have blown 2 motors with it and still like it I just had to learn from my mistakes on what precautions to take before just spraying it on a stock motor. Sorry it took so long I just had to cover everything I KNEW before I offended someone. Peace!

Also about nitrous....refilling the bottle isnt shit. If you are a real racer then you will know when you tank is empty by just looking at the pressure gauge and checking the purge valve(s). Plus if the person with the all motor or FI setup really wants to race you he will wait til you fill your bottle up to get the most potential out of your car. Cause if he wins by a little and didnt want to race when you didnt have your bottle filled and then the next time you pull up beside him and thinks that he has you and he gets his ass handed to him because the spray function was available that time then he will just be the loser. Plain and Simple! If I didnt clear it up enough the first time nitrous isnt cheating.....its a modification just like a set of cam gears or nice stroker kit. If they allow it at drag races or just plain sell it its a legal way and honest way of making hp and torque.

personally, i think there is no replacement for displacement. just think about it. you can get over 400 horsepower on a naturally aspirated 350 chevy v8! all it takes is a racing cam, a good intake, good flowing exhaust/no exhaust, and a good old holley 600 cfm carb with vaccum secondaries for mileage. lol the only downfall is probably the 10 miles a gallon an engine like that would get with the racing cam in it, so ur little engines spank the big v8's when it comes to efficiency. but just imagine somehow dropping a smallblock v8 in a 2500 or 3000 pound honda... that mother would move!!! especially if u throw in a supercharger and put some acetone in the gas

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