Hey everyone, i got another question for ya;s,,,

ok i got the 05 stillen parts catalog, and at the begining it gives a list of the aftermarket parts for the 300zx tt, and i has a HP gain chart, it says like 20hp from high flow intake, and 60hp from upgraded ECU...im just wondering how accurate these hp gains are in the catalog, and if any one else has used these parts and if they liked them or not,

thanks for your help guys!

steve

yea, stillen's pretty accurate man, those guys really don't mess around with their stuff....

so u think its worth paying the couple extra bucks and buy the stillen parts? them hp numbers are unbelievable, but my friend who has a 300zx told me the same thing u just told me.,

stillen parts are overpriced most of the time... if you can find similar parts for cheaper it's usually worth it... check out jim wolfe's sight for accurate charts and such, but it's generally stated that you'll get 20 hp each from an intake and exhaust, and 60 from the ecu and boost jets... now these numbers are definitely a little on the high side, but that will get you to a stage III, which is where a lot of the lighter tuners choose to stop at, because the car will still be very reliable at this stage and you haven't started breaking stuff yet (other than the bank buying new tires of course:))

anyway.. jim wolfe popcharger, your choice of exhaust, and either a jwt ecu or ashspec ecu upgrade is generally the way to go... the z32 guys will have more info about ecu's i'm sure

wut exactly is a popcharger and can u use it on the tt version? sorry if this is a stupid question

popcharger's just a fancy name for a cone filter with an adapter on it so it bolts right up to the tt's intake piping... check out this how-to at tt.net.. it should answer all your questions..
http://www.ttzd.com/tech/airfiltertech.html

dude...stillen makes excellent products and there performance chart is fairly accurate. but one thing i can tell you is that 99 times out of a 100, there is a part made of the same quality for much less money.

check out the following:

http://z1motorsports.com
http://conceptzperformance.com
http://amzperformance.com

stealin, er, i mean stillen parts are way overpriced. it has been rumored and and there is a lot of evidence to show that there is always another part that is very closely related to a stillen part that is a lot cheaper. like delerious said, i would go with a jwt popcharger, your choice of exhaust, and a ash-spec or jwt ecu.

jwt ecu's have a tendency to run rich... ohh and did I mention it'll take them ne where from 6 weeks to 6 months to reburn your computer??


Yea, I do agree though, stillen's products are pretty damn pricey, but I got a good deal on my tokicos, so you never know.... I'd get a nice big cone style air filter (K&N, teem green.. it's all the same, but bigger is better), an exhaust and an ashspec ecu... just my 2 cents

i just put borla exhaust on it, what yoou guys think of that brand?

quality stuff man, definitely quality... what are the specs on it?

Borla IMO makes THE BEST mufflers, and the nicest sounding... I know their exhaust systems sound really freaking good, and they have really good performance too... good choice man... can you upload a sound clip???

ehh...borla is nice and is a good name but definitely not the best for the Z32 nor is it the best looking. but tis good shit reguardless! :thumbsup:

i actually thought about putting Borla on my Z. but then i heard a sound clip of the Labree exhaust and now i want that exhaust.

i actually thought about putting Borla on my Z. but then i heard a sound clip of the Labree exhaust and now i want that exhaust.

labree or B&B are the best...

The only thing that makes an exhaust is the cat, the muffler and the diameter of the tubing.

Cats are cats unless some brand out there has a radically different design (which i haven't yet seen). Generic high-flow cats aren't expensive and are worth their weight in gold.

Metal tubing is metal tubing. Nothing more to it.

If you want so desperately want <insert brand name here> then you just buy <brand name> muffler because the rest isn't affected by brand name. My exhaust (from the outlets of the headers back) cost me $350 AUD and I'd hazard a guess that it will perform with +-1hp difference of any given name brand.

All this talk of brand names for basic parts (such as cone filters, exhaust tubing etc.) is almost total wankery so ricers can put stickers on their doors.

This being said however, the performance of more 'complex' parts *CAN* be affected by different brand names (headers, turbos, mufflers, cats, pistons etc.) and the more 'complex' they get, the more difference brand names will make.

Back on topic. Don't buy stillen unless there is proven evidence that their shit will outperform all cheaper brands or getting it custom made.

-Mike

i actually thought about putting Borla on my Z. but then i heard a sound clip of the Labree exhaust and now i want that exhaust.


do you know where that clip was... I'd like to hear it

The only thing that makes an exhaust is the cat, the muffler and the diameter of the tubing.

Cats are cats unless some brand out there has a radically different design (which i haven't yet seen). Generic high-flow cats aren't expensive and are worth their weight in gold.

Metal tubing is metal tubing. Nothing more to it.

If you want so desperately want <insert brand name here> then you just buy <brand name> muffler because the rest isn't affected by brand name. My exhaust (from the outlets of the headers back) cost me $350 AUD and I'd hazard a guess that it will perform with +-1hp difference of any given name brand.

All this talk of brand names for basic parts (such as cone filters, exhaust tubing etc.) is almost total wankery so ricers can put stickers on their doors.

This being said however, the performance of more 'complex' parts *CAN* be affected by different brand names (headers, turbos, mufflers, cats, pistons etc.) and the more 'complex' they get, the more difference brand names will make.

Back on topic. Don't buy stillen unless there is proven evidence that their shit will outperform all cheaper brands or getting it custom made.

-Mike

actually, there is a difference between the metal tubings. some are bent alot different than others.

for example: most exhausts for the Z32 come with a almost 90 degree bend right before the mufflers. this is because the exhaust has to follwing the lines of the drive train tunnel until it gets past the rear diff or else it would be too low and scrape on everything and anything.

there are 3 exhausts off the top of my head that can be purchased from a retailer that do not have these 90 degree bends.

1. HKS
2. B&B
3. Labree

1. HKS is the exhaust known for good flow but the ricer look with the angled mufflers coming out the back. performance reasons...yes, gay...yes.
2. B&B is the only company i know of to offer a 3" dual exhaust all the way back.(they also offer a 2.5" for a tad less cash) this exhaust also features less of a bend then most of its competitors. not to mention the huge overly sized array of tips that can be had with this exhaust (from oval to round from 3.5"-4.5" can be purchased)
3. Labree, becoming one of the most highly looked upon exhausts for the Z32 for its clean look, perfect fitment, and high flow rate. these elso feature a non 90 degree bend.

also, not all piping is the same. some piping is not smoothed internally which will disrupt air flow. big difference, probably not but why not just go with the best. some piping isnt made out of a hard stainless steel ( i dont know the ratings off the top of my head) this will easly get dented from rocks and other debris, also disrupting air flow. some exhausts dont have thick enough flanges which will warp over time.

as for intakes....there is a discrepency between which flows better, the JWT or the Stillen. supposedly at higher HP numbers the JWT will cause a bad turbulence because of a lip that the air ha to hit before entering the pipe. it hasnt been proven yet but people are now saying that the stillen is a better pop-charger.

so...baically what i am trying to say. is there are some differences. big difference maybe not, but there are some diffeerences and even with something a simple as a piece of metal tubing...it can make drastic differences between non name brand and a good name brand exhaust.
sometimes the no name guy has the better product.

actually, there is a difference between the metal tubings. some are bent alot different than others.

Sorry, i should have been clearer. What i was meaning to say is that if you get it custom made, then you decide exactly what you want. You can decide about what size and type of tubing you want, what bends you want to go where and what type of muffler, tip, cat etc. and the exhaust guy is going to happily do it all for you for a fraction of the price that a premade system costs.

There are no doubt some really shitty exhaust systems for the z32 out there, probably just consisting of simple 90 degree mandrel bends with straight tubing because its easiest to make. If you find yourself a good exhaust guy who can do their own mandrel bends then you're laughing.

-Mike

Sorry, i should have been clearer. What i was meaning to say is that if you get it custom made, then you decide exactly what you want. You can decide about what size and type of tubing you want, what bends you want to go where and what type of muffler, tip, cat etc. and the exhaust guy is going to happily do it all for you for a fraction of the price that a premade system costs.

There are no doubt some really shitty exhaust systems for the z32 out there, probably just consisting of simple 90 degree mandrel bends with straight tubing because its easiest to make. If you find yourself a good exhaust guy who can do their own mandrel bends then you're laughing.

-Mike

true...i personally am going with a B&B once i get my car all done and stuff i think. :D

There are no doubt some really shitty exhaust systems for the z32 out there, probably just consisting of simple 90 degree mandrel bends with straight tubing because its easiest to make. If you find yourself a good exhaust guy who can do their own mandrel bends then you're laughing.

-Mike

true, but it's not always possible to find a shop around your area that has a mandrel bender... i had to get pre-mandreled parts ordered in for mine... nobody within 400 km of me has a mandrel bender that they use for exhausts...

true, but it's not always possible to find a shop around your area that has a mandrel bender... i had to get pre-mandreled parts ordered in for mine... nobody within 400 km of me has a mandrel bender that they use for exhausts...

Just move to Sydney mate. I think we've got 3 mandrel bending exhaust places in sydney. :D

-Mike

yeah i'll get right on that :rolleyes:

i could Never live somewhere where it doesn't snow...

ahhh i hate snow, especially my Z.

Hey, we've got snow, its just only on the highest mountain range in australia and only between june and september. And even right in the middle of winter it can get pretty hot up there. Last season my snowboard got some real deep scores down the middle after one run turned into a quarry from the sun. :(

-Mike

yeah i'll get right on that :rolleyes:

i could Never live somewhere where it doesn't snow...

hey, ship me your snowboard for a weekend or 2. i dont feel like buying one and i hate renting stuff because it is usually the cheapest product you can get.

whaaaa you have snow Jason???? we didn't get jack shit here in Chicago.... yea I don't like snow driving, but I do like snow for other things

I love the snow, makes a better driver out of you if you practice in it. I dont mean drifting either. But find a decent mall parking lot, without any lamp posts that are too closely packed, and no cars in it. Then go out there with a couple of freinds, and have them sort of close of a destant corner of the parking lot so you can practice driving in a controled manner in the snow. Cones help a bit with this. Take turns with your friends and after a while you will be able to feel just before your car starts to lose grip and you wont panic when it does. You will know exactly what to do in that situation. Trust me the snow can be one of your biggests allies as a driver, if treated right.

Oh one last thing. I love Borla, I had it on my last two cars, My 65 Impalla, and my ZX2 Escort. Both were just mufflers, but the sound was great on both. On the Impalla seeing it wasnt a exact fit, becuase it was for a different car it was a bit louder than normal but I loved it none the less. But on the Escort it was the best sounding exhaust for that car, and it wasnt a big ricer tip. It was only loud when I got into it, but it was a thick deep sound not a nazly noise that most 4 bangers make. I am still up in the air about my exhaust, I am thinking about Lebree, but not sure yet. Seeing as I am still working on the swap. Hmmmmm Tring to figure out a way to remove a electronic throttle from a car that was designed with it is not that easy.

whaaaa you have snow Jason???? we didn't get jack shit here in Chicago.... yea I don't like snow driving, but I do like snow for other things

no you dufus....even if we got snow around here, the only way your having any fun or getting any speed is by being pulled my a vehicle. been there done it...fun until you hit a piece of concrete that has been salted, at that point you have 3 options. ride it out and hopefully your board is slick enough to slide across the concrete and heopefully you do not hit a pothole or you can quickly try to swerve over to the nearest ditch and ride it out down there or let go ove rht erope and come to a stop (thats if you see the patch in time, which at 40mph or so...you dont see much coming).

Oh one last thing. I love Borla, I had it on my last two cars, My 65 Impalla, and my ZX2 Escort. Both were just mufflers, but the sound was great on both. On the Impalla seeing it wasnt a exact fit, becuase it was for a different car it was a bit louder than normal but I loved it none the less. But on the Escort it was the best sounding exhaust for that car, and it wasnt a big ricer tip. It was only loud when I got into it, but it was a thick deep sound not a nazly noise that most 4 bangers make. I am still up in the air about my exhaust, I am thinking about Lebree, but not sure yet. Seeing as I am still working on the swap. Hmmmmm Tring to figure out a way to remove a electronic throttle from a car that was designed with it is not that easy.

swap? electronic throttle? the Z32 is mechanical isnt it?

no way in hell i'm letting you come near any of my snowboard stuff J


just snowed/snowing today... bout 2 inches of wet stuff on the roads... makes for a hell of a time driving... probably about the slickest surface you can drive on other than perhaps lubricated glass.. get some Mad understeer happening with the allseason fronts... the rears grip tho cause they're winters... i'm thinking i might have to switch them around this weekend or something lol... either way, snow is fucking fun once you know your car's limits..

no way in hell i'm letting you come near any of my snowboard stuff J


just snowed/snowing today... bout 2 inches of wet stuff on the roads... makes for a hell of a time driving... probably about the slickest surface you can drive on other than perhaps lubricated glass.. get some Mad understeer happening with the allseason fronts... the rears grip tho cause they're winters... i'm thinking i might have to switch them around this weekend or something lol... either way, snow is fucking fun once you know your car's limits..

dude...just swing the back end around with the snow tires on the back. you wont be able to understeer with all-seasons on the back because you wont get going. :lol:

speaking of tires, i need new tires for the GTP, i have metal showing through. :ylsuper: