2002 Acura RSX

In a word, more refined.

Ahh, the Integra.... a cult icon and potentially the most important vehicle during the 1990s. Hundreds of thousands sold over the course of a decade, the Integra spawned a mind-blowing following among young, Southern Californians and eventually, the entire nation. And rightfully so, it was a fun, nice looking hatch that based its appeal in its simplicity.

Well, the Integra is dead.

This year, Honda’s upper-end brand known as Acura introduced an all new animal, the RSX. Its based on a brand new platform (one that is still closely related to the Civic) that has caused more than its fair share of controversy in the enthusiast community. Up front, the RSX features a new “Control-Link” MacPherson strut suspension. This new setup is largely seen as a less-capable, cheaper alternative to the former Integra’s setup. And while the suspension has lost a bit of Integra’s edge (the cost of an overall more refined vehicle), it is still a wonderful performer...albeit a smoother one. The RSX Type-S, the high performance version for those just crawling out from under a rock, comes with firmer dampers and springs, a rear “performance rod,” and a front tower bar.

The chassis itself is much stiffer and, to the delight of driving enthusiasts, it has allowed Honda to firm up the spring rates without any ride quality compromises. And this is where the RSX and Integra differ most. While the ‘teg was a bit on the harsh side, the new RSX is supple and more refined (there’s that word again). But don’t mistake the new baby Acura for a Town Car, the RSX is almost Germanic in its sure-footed nature. But true enthusiasts will probably say that the new car is lacking some of the Integra’s bite.

Then, they spool up the engine.....

Admittedly, Honda engines are not for everyone. They are a bit high-strung in nature, calling on you to rev them harder to squeeze the juice out. But when you do, they usually reward you with that great “VTEC wooosh” of acceleration and downright wonderful sounds. These cars are usually screamers. And the RSX Type-S pretty much follows that principle. Except, the new engine features “iVTEC” for “intelligent valve-control system.” This new design allows for greater torque down low for use in around-town driving. The 200hp (142ft-lbs of torque) 2.0 liter 4-banger in the Type-S propelled the car from 0-60mph in only 6.1 seconds during the latest Car And Driver test. The “base” version of the RSX pumps out 160hp and 141ft-lbs of torque.

The melodic sounds of these new engines are more muted from behind the wheel of the RSX when compared to the old Integra. While you can still hear the powerplant urging you on, it sounds as if the engine is in another room. Again, not entirely a bad thing, its just the product of the RSX’s refinement.

Inside, the car gives you a feeling of refinement (lets count how many times I say that word in this article) versus the old ‘teg. Silver-ish accents help to brighten up an overall well designed interior. And I must say, “Damn those seats look great!” Attention was paid in making the front buckets better scaled for larger American drivers. An unfortunate offshoot of this is a downright tiny center console. It doesn’t even offer a center armrest....a big red check-mark in my book. The RSX also features an automatic climate control system and a Bose stereo with a cool “Richbass” woofer encircled by the weenie-wheel (aka spare tire).

Whenever you read a critic’s review of a vehicles exterior design, one must remember that looks are subjective. So take what I’m about to say next for what its worth. The new RSX looks “cute.” When I look at this car, I don’t say to myself, “Damn, that car looks like it’ll kick some ass!” Rather, it usually goes something like, “Ahh, what a purdy little car. I bet my sister would like it.” Well, maybe not exactly like that, but you get the picture. I’m not saying its an ugly car, far from it. The RSX just doesn’t exactly get my heart racing by looks alone. And because I have to say it at least once a paragraph, the look is more refined versus the last Integra.

If you haven’t gotten the idea yet, let me spell it out for you. The new RSX is more REFINED than the old Integra. Its smoother, more comfortable, yet more powerful. Our young Integra has all grown up. But it developed into a kick-ass front-wheel drive sports coupe, or hatch (or whatever you want to call it) that is very easy to live with for daily life. It has lost a bit of edge that the Integra had during its teenage years, but the car still knows how to have fun when you want to. And, perhaps, that is the most important factor.

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Article is Copyright (c) Mike Cervantes
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Hey! There goes my maybe , future baby.

I saw one the other day in Toronto, qutie refined from the integra, it looks sort of round and square while the RSX in more flowing and has less round spots.

This artcle is gets the AF Mascot's Genuine Seal of Approval :smoker2:

Pretty good article...
mike, have you written any other articles? if so where can read them?

god these things are fun to drive...

I'm not a big honda fan but I can respect nice cars. I've driven a ITR and wasn't all that impressed. It took a little too long to get into the meaty part of the powerband. Too bad I never got a chance to drive it on the track.

Anyway, the RSX never really applealed to me, at first. After seeing it while I think I might take a test drive and check it out. Although I think it looks better in pictures.

Was sketchy at first... picked up the Type-s.. now I'm crazy about it... definetly fun to drive!!

I love it. I hope to own one some day. It's my favorite car that I actually might be able to afford. I don't even have my license yet, but hopefully I can convince some family member to take me in one at the nearest Acura dealership.

I love the lights, the shape, the power, and especially the interior. I love the whole car!!! I went to Acura.com and looked at ever page w/ the RSX and even built my own, downloaded wallpapers, etc. etc. Now I have an RSX desktop and an RSX brochure. Nice to stare at all day.

I love this thing!!!

I also searched through the internet and found the best pictures of the RSX anywhere -- period. I'll post them when I get the chance.

oh yeah, just like paganizonda.com, i'm also gonna create a web site on it.

me again :rolleyes:


I saw my first two two days ago. I want one more than ever. Much better in real life. All I saw was the rear. I guess that's the downside of minivans. Not that there is an 'upside.'

It seems to look better everytime i see it........ i guess i'm gettin used to it

Integra has finally grown up.

Overall nice car, although I haven't driven one myself, I'm still kinda hesitant because of the way it looks. Almost like a Civic/Celica combination. And for that price... people... you might want to check out the Mercedes C Couple... just 5 horsepower away from the Type-S and it definitely has some nice luxurious features. Go to their site and see for your self!

I'm still planning to keep my GSR and work it... maybe consider an RSX when the R badge comes over. :flash:

Mercedes C-class? it costs alot more, it has worse performance, it's not even in the same category, why would you even bring that up?

Dude! Check out Mercedes web site first before you say anything.... It's the C Coupe not the C series.... it's priced at around 24K.... it's Mercedes fight back against Compact Cars

http://www.mercedes.com/globpics/photos_cl203/a.gif

http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/cou/c/gfx/hp3.jpg

http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/cou/c/gfx/hp2.jpg

As you can see, it looks just like the new coupes that are out in the market... as far as luxury... it has way more that the Jap versions... and costs just as much!

The Mercedes US site is down right now so I linked to the uk site... i know this is 195HP.

ohh i thought you were comparin them to a C-class Mercedes.... you didn't spell coupe wrong so i just ignored the word and thought you meant C-class

Originally posted by gang$tarr
ohh i thought you were comparin them to a C-class Mercedes.... you didn't spell coupe wrong so i just ignored the word and thought you meant C-class


:silly2: it was a typo....

C Coupe is nice. But it is not fully loaded like RSX Type S. The fully loaded one runs to about 28K. 24K gets you cloth seats and nothing else. By the way it is 190hp and 200 lbs torque. 2.3L supercharged engine with improved low end and engine noise reduction.

do you guys have the specs on that benz c-coupe?

What do you want to know?

1/4 mile times and 0-60mph

I really like the mercedes because of its luxurious features... specially the supercharged engine... and high torque output... but if i were to race it, i'd just stick with the RSX...

BTW... go to mercedes.com to see more details as far as the features and ammenities included!

- 2.3L Kompressor Engine 2,295cc intercooled supercharged inline-4 kompressor engine
- 192hp and 200lb. - feet of torque @ 2,500 - 4,800 rpm
- 6 speed manual
- Double spoke - 16"
- Compression Ration 9.0:1
- ABS, Electronic Stability Control, Automatic Slip Control
- 0-60 mph in 7.2 seconds Manual / 7.5 seconds Auto
- EPA estimate on street - 22mpg Auto / 19mpg Manual
- Highway estimate 29 mpg Auto . 28 mpg Manual
- LOW EMISSION VEHICLE

Exterior Dimension

Wheelbase 106.9 in / 2,715 mm
Overall length 171.1in / 4,346 mm
Overall height 54.3in / 1,379 mm
Overall width 68.0 in / 1,728 mm
Front Track 58.8 in / 1,493 mm
Rear Track 57.6 in / 1,464 mm
Coefficient of drag 0.29

Curb weight 3,305 lb/1,500 kg manual,
3,340 lb/1,515 kg automatic

Interior Dimensions

Front Headroom 38.5 in / 980 mm
Rear Headroom 36.3 in / 922 mm
Front Legroom 42.0 in / 1,067mm
Rear Legroom 33.0 in / 838 mm
Front Shoulder room 52.8 in / 1,341 mm
Rear Shoulder room 51.7 in / 1,313 mm
Cabin capacity 84.9 cu ft/ 2,488 liters
Cargo capacity 15.8 cu ft/447 liters (rear seats in use)
24.7 cu ft/699 liters (rear seats folded)

Benz said plain C230 Sports Coupe should propel 0-60 in about 7.4 seconds. Becareful though the more option you add to that car the heavier it gets. It could well end up near 3500 lbs range fully loaded. 1/4 mile time should be mid 15's for the plain car.

that'd be cool, i'd consider buying that if there were aftermarket parts for it... but i bet it won't get that much attention from aftermarket part companies... since is more luxury, it's german and well it's a mercedes... you don't expect anybody to really mod a mercedes

Modding europeans car = a lot more money than modding japanese cars. You can buy some Brabus parts for that car. Also the in house turner AMG parts.

yeah i agree... i was lookin at the prices on the dinan web site for bmw mods and an exhaust system is like 2-3 times as much as one for like a prelude or some japanese car

Japanese luxury car is catching up though. Look at what Acura, Infiniti and Lexus have accomplished. The 3 put a big scare into the European car company.

Just picked up the RSX Type S. It is an amazing car. It will rip through first, second and third spinning the tires through each geer. ummmm so much for the break-in period. Good thing it isn't a motorcycle!

Hey Does anyone know if the RSX comes with the same cheesy michellin tires that came with the Integra? I hope they fixed it! Those tires are the worst... they don't deserve to be put on any car, specially a sports car at that...

It comes with the same crappy tire found on previous Integra GSR. Except it is in 16 inch form instead of 15 inch.

That probably explains the chirping in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear. I really hate those tires. It's so prone to getting into an accident.... specially when it rains... it is so scary! That would be my first upgrade!


Power if useless if you can't get it to the ground....

Yes they car crappy tyres.

P.S. I saw you on the board I moderate.

Thanks for the info on the tires! I guess that would explain alot.

I will be picking up some new ones very soon which will probably include 17" rims as well. Any recommendations?

RL

Originally posted by F20C
Yes they car crappy tyres.

P.S. I saw you on the board I moderate.

Good luck on the new Rims and Tires... i'm sure it'll look badazz... send us some pics!

I will send some pics! Can you sugest some good tires? Good Year, Pirelli, Toyo, etc??

naw, get the Potenza S02's or dunlop SP8000's if you can find those.

btw, ricerocket, when you abbreviate japan, use jpn not jap. f-king asshole. I happen to be japanese.

sayin jap isn't racist? i never say it but when i read somebody say like "oh yeah, i'd prefer a jap car over a euro" it doesn't seem racist at all

Get the Mugen MF10 and SO3.

Thanks for the tire recommendations! I will check and see what I can find out there.

yah, well IT IS to some people, so why don't you mind some respect and start writing jpn instead?

Originally posted by kenchan
naw, get the Potenza S02's or dunlop SP8000's if you can find those.

btw, ricerocket, when you abbreviate japan, use jpn not jap. f-king asshole. I happen to be japanese.

Hey, sorry if you got offended... I didn't know that was offending in anyway... and please don't curse! it's not like i'm not asian.

I feel you my brotha!

peace!
:sun:

ricerocket- yah, it looks like we got some generation gap here. only about 3 years ago did I hear that being called 'oriental' was offensive... I was like wat?! but i started using 'asians' instead because it was apparently offensive to some.

there are many many japanese people out there that feel jap is an extremely offensive name...and being made fun by white and black folks out here in the US when I as little, that name calling is a very sensitive matter.

anyway, back to the RSX!!! :D

I am glad you two worked that out.

I agree, back to the RSX that started this whole thread.

RL

I've had the chance to drive a couple RSX Type S'. All I can say is... it will be my next car! I love this thing!

It is much more fun to drive than the old Integra GS-R. Much more refined and more rewarding.

The car effectively combines style, speed, class and comfort in a little two door sports coupe.

You should drive it!

I want mine black on black, Type S, Titanium interior accents. Thank you!

Originally posted by kenchan


...and being made fun by white and black folks out here in the US when I as little, that name calling is a very sensitive matter.





you were made fun of?!? that sucks... i've never seen anybody talk racist, except some of my black friends callin me white boy :D

dude that seriously sucks though, how old are you?

Does anyone notice the difference between the color of the rims in canada and in the states on the type-S? In all the US car mags the RSX has some very light colored wheels like silver. But i went to a Acura dealership in Canada (where i live) and it had charcoal colored rims on it, and i saw one on the road here with teh same thing.....Can anyone explain this?

maybe there's a rim option

Originally posted by moe182
Does anyone notice the difference between the color of the rims in canada and in the states on the type-S? In all the US car mags the RSX has some very light colored wheels like silver. But i went to a Acura dealership in Canada (where i live) and it had charcoal colored rims on it, and i saw one on the road here with teh same thing.....Can anyone explain this?

Canada has the gunmetal looking rims for Type S model. Premium model uses the same rims as US Type S. Which is the silver shiny one you see.

There is a rim option as well for US RSX. It's a 7 spoke silver wheel I believe.

Yea, those silver wheels are an $1400-1500 (Cdn) option......its a huge waste of money...

That is too much, sell the old ones and buy nice aftermarket ones.

The only bad thing about the RSX is that it isnt as visceral as the Integra, and I want my car to tell me exactly what its doing, not just being able to tell, but to feel it in the steering, hear the tires, feel through the seat what those tires are doing, not being in a cacoon.

i like my RSX..it is sooooooo stock rite now..but i'm droppin it sometime before the end of the year, and prolly get intake/exhaust soon too..but i'm not a racer..and goshhhhh i'm too old for da import scene.. :p :D

:D As tired as i am of most Honda/Acura cars this RSX made me say 'Wow an Acura!' which i haven't said in a while.. Unregretably I did sell my civic and bought a 2002 Lancer..yeah yeah i hear bitchin about it but i like it..i'm out of the import scene myself...or until the parts for the US Lancer comes out..heheheh:devil:

To bad the Lancer sucks, IMO, a Civic would be better. Buy a nice used Camaro!:)

Originally posted by Chris
To bad the Lancer sucks,

that's a little harsh... it doesn't suck, it's just a family car.... it's basically like a civic
maybe it sucks compared to the lancer evo... but they're not even in the same league

:rolleyes: I mean if you like civics which i did...in the past..but i don't like them anymore..i'm done with that ish.. i just thought i needed something different... and my lancer is a family car due to the fact i have a family.. i'm happy with it.. till the skyline comes out..hehehehhe:devil:

Did you get the OZ Rally Racing appearence package?

Whatevers..i'm still new to the Mitsu scene so i'm not trying to act like i know stuff...:D But hey you know how hard it is being a girl with guys trying to act like they know more then you? geez its annoying.. its not like i don't know some stuff..:cool: Oh and the only diff with the OZ rally edition and the ES is the OZ rally rims and there is a OZ rally stamp on the rugs and the back trunk...wooopty doo.....lol i still like my car :silly2:

I just meant its handling and straigt-line performance are rather sub-par, from an enthusiasts point of view. It is one of the quitest cars out there, a very big plus. And everything else works well. It is the perfect car for a great many people, and should help Mitsu tremoundously. I just think the previous gen civics were better driving than many of their rivals.

Actually, Mitsubishi has soem very good cars, people just don't know about them.

And the OZ edition looks kinda neat, to bad it has no new suspension tuning.

Originally posted by Chris

And the OZ edition looks kinda neat, to bad it has no new suspension tuning.

i think it has really good stock suspension... but i'm not sure, never driven one

In the reviews I've seen, they call in "mushy" and "uninspiring". They also say it results in comfort, but its not made for corner-carving. The Evo will fix that...:D

Originally posted by Chris
The Evo will fix that...:D

it better!! :D

but you're right about the cornering...its alright but it could be better! ok i know i'm an ass but my friend keeps telling me the EVO is supposed to debut 2003...please say he's wrong...(not that i don't want it to come i just don't like that guy) :rolleyes:

I also agree it could be better but I think most of the problem is the tires not the suspension. Does anyone know exactly how lowering the RSX Type S will affect tire wear and alignment? I want to lower it but don't want to put up with wearing out $180 tires every year.

Also, does anyone know exactly what the 0-60 performance really is? Every mag I have read gives a different time. It seams like the only one that really performed a valid test was Car and Driver but there score was very dissapointing to me (0-60 6.7 sec).

RL

Mitsubishi wants a piece of the pie as well. Since Subaru is putting out 265hp WRX STi in 2003 as 2004 model.

don't skimp on a good camber kit :D

well, i got my rsx like a month ago and i sooo love it!! its cool cause most guys drive up to me in their lil sports cars thinkin im a guy and they rev their engines--but when i beat em..poor guys they are sooo embarrassed!! haha... i beat a firebird the other day:) that was quite excitin i might add. ive only seen two other rsx in my area and none were my color--red. oh well, for real though, these cars are sooo nice.

Firebird?

Those run 13's stock.

Unless it was a V6 Firebird. Then it would be slower (more weight), and if it had the slushbox, no chance. But a V8 would cream an RSX.

Ok, before anyone responds just to tell me how wrong I am, I don't actually think that the RSX sucks, I just miss the Integra! I'm 20, I recently got my second Honda, a 99 Civic EX for the next two years, and then I was so looking forward to climbing into a new `teg once college was over. I feel like I've been served an injustice in the form of the RSX, if only because I feel as if can no longer afford Acura's equivalent of the car that I was dreaming about. I respect the styling changes, the RSX looks clean, sharp, and to re-iterate the article, refined. The problem is, now I feel like this is a car that belongs in the hands of my Mother, not me. Don't get me wrong, I know the RSX has the juice to go if you want it to, especially with an S badge, but I think the conversion was miscalculated. I know I have a lot of friends who were big fans of the Integra, and the RSX just doesn't feel right taking its place. I enjoy the way it handles and admittedly when I test-drove one, it did give a less jolting ride than the `teg, but it just doesn't come off the same way as it's little brother. I feel like my option now is to grab a Civic SI, but it looks like Honda is screwing up the look of that model too...Where's the in-between? A goofy-looking hatchback SI, or a more posh, stylish, grown-up Integra? I want the harsher feel, the engine noise, and the sleek but hungry look that came with Acura's teenage entry-level ride. Maybe I'll get what everyone else is saying about the improvement eventually, but for now I think I'll just spend a little time pining and trying to decide between a grown-up, entry-level luxury coupe, and Honda's SI-styling kick in the nuts.

HondaRacerX: I know how you feel!!! Some people have no idea how important it is to have feedback, through the wheel, pedals, shifter, audio, visual, everything. I want to know whats going on with my car, not merely accept it. I want the car to be an extension of myself, complete with nerve-endings. Looks like the last few options we have are dissapearing, and we have only the use cars to look to.:(

just buy a used integra man! Get a used 99 Type-R... that would be nice :D

Noisy cars don't sell in Luxury line.

Originally posted by F20C
Noisy cars don't sell in Luxury line.

are you saying integras didn't sell :eek: :eek: :eek:

People that buy luxury brand cars don't want a noisy machine. They want smooth quiet cars. That's why Integra never fit into Acura brand. Although it sold well for couple years when it first came out.

During it's peak production years Acura sold 70,000 units per year. Lately it has been stuck at no more than 30,000 units per year. Reason being before there wasn't much competition from other japanese luxury brand. With Lexus's emergence etc it has made life tough for Integra.

I understand that the Acura badge is designated primarily as a luxury line, and that makes sense when you look at cars like the CL, TL, RL, etc, but what about the NSX? That's far from being called a "luxury car" and it's most certainly a sports car. Now, the Integra would by no means be classed as a sports car, but it felt right being in Acura's line anyway. You got the warm, fuzzy feeling from owning what you know is a Honda product, but with the higher profile Acura badge. The Integra still felt like a step up from Honda's entry-level civic, even the Accord, but where has its spirit gone? That is my complaint. I feel like the Integra's spirit has just been whisked under the marketing doormat, never to be seen again. I know that the "Sports Coupe" market has been declining for some time (Integra, Celica, MX-6, Eclipse), because sometimes it's hard to pin a niche on the cars. They're too expensive to really be entry-level cars, but not pimped out enough to be considered a sports car or a luxury car (I'm ignoring the special models, like a Type R, GTS, or GST which account for even fewer of those car sales). That was the kind of car I wanted, and I feel like I can't get it now. I realize that what Acura did may have been considered "good business sense," but I feel like to many, the Integra was really a trademark for Acura, and totally removing it from their line was a mistake.

Acura's motto is Sport, Luxury and Performance.

Integra had 2 out of the 3. Now RSX have 3 out of 3.

By the way NSX have a whole lot of sound deafening materials used in the car. So it certainly wasn't as noisy as Integra.

The NSX is a sports car that drives like a luxury car IMO not bad, just too smooth and easy to drive for a sports car, no effort needed

Some integras had leather and heated seats, that's a bit of luxury...

Yes Integra had leather seats etc. However it was not the best quality item you would expect from a luxury brand line.

I would like luxurys in my car, as long as they dont interfere with feedback. I would like a leather throne, not a thatch stool. But I want to know what the car is doing! That is the whole point, IMO.

I love luxuries, the more the better :D
I wouldn't like all the driving assists though... so I'd like every luxury possible inside the car.... luxury seats, nav system, wood, etc.
Why do they make the insides of so many super cars so ugly? I wouldn't mind if the accelearation was .1s slower if i can have more luxuries :D

Sneak a peak at the Bugatti EB110 sometime, it is super-nice, even by todays standards.

Originally posted by Chris
Sneak a peak at the Bugatti EB110 sometime, it is super-nice, even by todays standards.

yeah i know todays supercars are starting to look better inside, like the new ferraris look pretty good inside.....

Teh 110 is about 10 years old! Also, the XJ220 is a good example. And the new Bugatti 16/4 Veyron is mega-nice:eek:

i don't really like the look of the inside of the veyron.... all that orange?!

The most expensive suede, leather and aluminum money can buy, and Gang$tarr doesnt like it:rolleyes:

I'll just take the interior of Porsche 911 GT3.

Originally posted by Chris
The most expensive suede, leather and aluminum money can buy, and Gang$tarr doesnt like it:rolleyes:

just my opinion, i don't like the orange.... looks like a shaggin wagon inside :D :D
well not really :)

ust my opinion, i don't like the orange.... looks like a shaggin wagon inside

Of course, it doesnt have a water bed:D

Originally posted by Chris


Of course, it doesnt have a water bed:D

what a shame, lol.... it could be useful :devil:

the integra type r in japan in much much better:flash:

Originally posted by Volk-Rays
the integra type r in japan in much much better:flash:

damn you, and all your cars we don't get :D :D lol j/k

They should (probably will) make some Altezza lights for the RSX. Can't wait 'til people start pimping it out.

Is this forum dead or what? 2 posts in a week?

BTW I just got a blue RSX no S :( , but it really moves. I don't have my driver's license yet, just permits. My family also owns 2 MGB's, which are similar in size and weight to RSX, but for those who know MGB's you know that they are no comparison. The B's have a 0-60 of probably 20 secs. :silly2: RSX is like under 8?? anyone know for sure. Anyway, I can't believe a loaded luxury/sports car can be bought for under $22,000.

I have to agree about the feel of the car. You can barely hear the engine to shift, the wheels feel like they float in air when you turn, and the brakes are so smooth. Drop the power steering, ABS, lose the top and about 50 hp... Now you have a 73 classic mgb.



Hope we can get this thread started again!!! ;

SpEEd dEmOn

You wont notice much difference in speed unless you rev really hard. The type S only has 1 more lb-ft, so the power is WAAAAAY up in the rev range.

It peaks at 7200 RPM to be exact.....but the sound up there is UNREAL.
Im doing my baby up in the spring....wheels, coilovers, cold air, exhaust......

rsx is definately mechanically better but i say the integra wins for one reason, the rsx is possibly the ugliest car in put into production, ever, in the history of time, multiplied by infinity. but thats just my opinion...:D

Originally posted by Chris
You wont notice much difference in speed unless you rev really hard. The type S only has 1 more lb-ft, so the power is WAAAAAY up in the rev range.

Type S and base model engine have way different setup.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
rsx is definately mechanically better but i say the integra wins for one reason, the rsx is possibly the ugliest car in put into production, ever, in the history of time, multiplied by infinity. but thats just my opinion...:D

Im gonna have to disagree with ya.....there ARE uglier, ahem....the WRX.
And come spring, with all the new kits.....oh man, its gonna be so NIce.
This is the HKS kit, the one i want to pick up

INGS body kit

mugen type r

JDM type R

C-West's kit

forget who this is...

I think this is the wings west kit.....

wow, they're all pretty damn nice :D

i'd take any one of'em

It is a real shame the second last Prelude was never badged an Acura. It had the looks and although it wasn't fast, it had the right amount of body-roll and sweet chasis that you would normally find in luxury cars. To me, the Prelude had everything to be an Acura; Performance, Looks and Luxury.

But I do like the new Integra, even though looks too butch to be seen as an Acura. I mean, with approximately 164kW power, this thing should swipe 0-60mph in just 6.4 seconds.

So what's up with the Type-R? Have the Americans got it yet or what? 17-inch alloys, recaros, sports interior, aluminium trim, up to 9000rpm screamer...drool.....................

No we dont have it yet......Aus has it now right? but doesnt it only have 200hp? We will be getting the Type R soon....prob within a couple of years. 220hp, brembro brakes etc.....for now im gonna settle for my 7900 rpm, 200hp baby.....and once spring comes shes gonna look ALOT different. heres what im gonna make her look like.

I know the performance is great, but am I alone in thinking that the styling makes it look like a 3/4 size Dodge Intrepid?

What the hell is wrong with the paint job on that car??? It doesn't look right...:huh:

It has been photoshoped.....the car was originally blue, and was at a stock ride height....

Yes. Australia does have the new Integra Type-R. Except it's slower, more expensive (thank's to the Aus government's tough import taxes) and relatively slower than the Japan model. Something like 140kw+. And the Aussie motoring enthusiasts (the magazines) are complaining and screaming at Honda for replacing a performance icon with "junk".

I get it!!! So the pic is really a disguised Integra, isn't it?

Yea, Honda integra to you, Acura RSX to me.....and yea it is. ITs just been slightly modified so i can see what my car will look like with that done to it. But the only picture i could find of the RSX with the rims i wanted was on a blue RSX, and mine is black. Its not the best job, but ya get the picture.

i like it, a lot better than the integra anyway. Honda's already got a ton of performance models in the works for the RSX too, so maybe in a few years i'll get myself one.

94-01 teg looks better! why call it an Acura RSX anyway, if I got a Ac,Lex,Inf. id get the true badging i.e.: Acura TL=Honda Accord Inspire

Sure, ya say that now.......but ya know how much $$ that is? you have no idea how many times, and where the name of a car and company is printed.......

I wouldn't bother changing any names at all. Why bother? An Acura is an Acura and a Honda is a Honda. What is wrong with an Acura badge? And I do agree that it's a waste of money just changing a badge. It's what's underneath that counts the most.

well they called it an Acura RSX because the integra was taking away from the Acura badge... that's what they claimed

they said that when people saw the car, they thought "hey, that's an integra" but they want people to think "hey, there goes an acura"
so they changed the name

i think the rsx looks like a saturn...or a jelly bean:(

This is one of the Acura RSX's on display at the LA Auto Show Jan. 5th, 2002. There were some interesting vehicles.:smoker2:

That's not just ugly, that's fugly! It looks like an RSX mated with a Mustang and that chunky piece of silver crap came out. I dig the RSX, but not set up like that.

:apuke:

C

Originally posted by CivicRacerX
That's not just ugly, that's fugly! It looks like an RSX mated with a Mustang and that chunky piece of silver crap came out. I dig the RSX, but not set up like that.

:apuke:

C

i don't know how you see that.... but........ okay.... :confused:

I'm STILL going with the 2001 Honda Integra Type R. Yes I still call it the Honda Integra Type R. The RSX Type S with the tiny wing spoiler looks woussy. I need a slightly bigger wing like the Type R.

TYPE R IS THE WAY TO GO!
TYPE S IS THE WOUSSY WAY TO GO! (Wing looks ugly) (to small):bloated:

HA! Bring it....
haha...
Actually an ITR Vs. Type-S would be a perfect race.....
and as for the spoiler, i agree thats i didnt get one.
The the NEW ITR is the way to go.....the Type S could beat the old one.

Spoilers are for looks anyway.

Type S kills the Type R.:flamer: TYPE R :rocket:

Originally posted by Type R
I'm STILL going with the 2001 Honda Integra Type R. Yes I still call it the Honda Integra Type R. The RSX Type S with the tiny wing spoiler looks woussy. I need a slightly bigger wing like the Type R.

TYPE R IS THE WAY TO GO!
TYPE S IS THE WOUSSY WAY TO GO! (Wing looks ugly) (to small):bloated:

well i wouldn't quite say that the type-s is pussy, it's like the GS-R in the RSX line up
it also has about the same hp as a type-r, plus the 6-spd and i-vtec engine
i hope the RSX Type-R comes out soon

and you live in canada so why are you callin your ITR a honda, it's an Acura Integra :) :)

I am calling it a Honda becuase I like the sound Honda better than Acura and I like the trade mark better.
"H":bloated:

The RSX-R is not going to have a chance in hell against the new 350Z... I mean with what you get on the 350Z at such a low cost no one in there right mind would buy a RSX-R......

What is the 350Z?
Is there such thing as the RSX Type R?
If so, When is it comming out?
Anybody know the approx. price for it?
If so please specify currency.
Thanks:alien:

THis is the Nissan 350Z....
and as of yet there is no RSX-R, is there going tobe one? I dunno. I just know that if they do they're gonna have lots of trouble wiht this car....

i don't think the 350z is supposed to compete with the RSX

but yeah the RSX Type-R is commin out for sure, it's already out in japan and australia, NZ... all the countries that get better cars than us north americans :)

How arent the two cars in competition? They're both sporty coupe hatches, built for drivers in the same price range.....
Basically the new Z is starting less then 2KUSD above the Type-S, and already performs better, so my question is how much more will the Type-R cost? Who if you had to pick between 2 cars of similar price and well....lets quickly compare the two.

FWD v.s. RWD
I4 v.s. V6
220bhp v.s. 280+bhp
6 Speed v.s. 6 Speed
17 in wheels v.s. 17 (with option of 18)


This is off of the Club RSX Board....
"Damn Nissan priced the 350Z today.....base model is $26269 which includes...

Base 6 speed MT 3.5L DOHC 24-valve V-6, CVTCS, Dual outlet exhaust, drive-by-wire throttle, carbon-fiber driveshaft, 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels, vented front and rear disc brakes with ABS, Electronic Brake force Distribution, Nissan Direct Ignition System (NDIS), automatic temperature control, 160-watt AM/FM/CD with 6 speakers, power windows/door locks and mirrors, remote keyless entry, vehicle security system, leather steering wheel and shifter boot

Enthusiast Model 6MT $28,249
Standard features plus: Xenon headlamps, HomeLink Universal Transceiver, cruise control, Traction Control System (TCS), viscous limited-slip differential, aluminum pedals, day/night auto rearview mirror, dual illuminated visor vanity mirrors

Performance Model 6MT $30,429
Standard features plus: Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC), tire air pressure monitor, 18-inch aluminum wheels and tires, Xenon headlamps, HomeLink Universal Transceiver, cruise control, Traction Control System (TCS), viscous limited-slip differential, aluminum pedals, day/night auto rearview mirror, dual illuminated visor vanity mirrors"

holy shit.. that is pretty cheap, i didn't know the price they were sellin it at

i thought they were makin it to compete with the new supra commin and the new skyline

the old competitors

Hmm... I still think the Integra/RSX looks better.
I'm guessing the RSX Type R will cost max $36 000 CDN/$25,000USD.
But of course this is just my guess predicition.
It's not even based on any kind of facts really.
This is the prediction of a young of a boy to get his liscence.
A boy that is only 13.
*So probably not very acurate.*

Type R

The RSX Type R does sound reasonable in price. The Nissan 350Z will definitely be on a different level of competition. I don't know how well a V6 will do on the performance after market side of the market. I have owned V6's in the past and there were always problems finding good performance parts at a reasonable price. There are a few Nissan influenced manufacturers, such as Stillen and Rod Millen. There is still going to be a lot of R&D that will need to be done for the Nissan. The RSX on the other hand seem ready built for the after market gurus'.

I like both cars but it would seem that the RSX will be ahead of the game when it's time to add performance. I also seem to remember a long wait for performance and aesthectic part when the 300ZX was first introduced. The 350Z may experience the same problem. I still have to admit the 350Z will look good stock for years to come.

There aren't any pictures out there of the RSX Type R yet right?
If there is somebody please post it.
Anybody know when the RSX Type R is comming out?:bloated:

I don't have a clue.

That's like worrying when the end of the world is going to come.

I try to live one day at a time and if I have good memories I'll talk about them.

The Type S is here and I believe it's good enough to compete for street honors. If that's not good enough, I'm sure the fans of Acura RSX's future will push for a Type R. So, keep your head up and be on the look out for it.

If it passes you by while your driving around in a RSX Type S it shouldn't be by much.:flash:

Damnit!
No I will not get the Type S!
With the little sissy/woussy wing!
I need something more manly.
Like the Inter Type R wing.:bloated:

The stock version doesn't have to come with the wossy wing. You can add what you want later.:o

Originally posted by Type R
Damnit!
No I will not get the Type S!
With the little sissy/woussy wing!
I need something more manly.
Like the Inter Type R wing.:bloated:

since the wing is the key performance upgrade :rolleyes:

No, from what I been told about wings of any sort, by people who race, wings can actually slow a car down if not properly designed for a car. I'm thinking that the wossy wing spoken of is purely an aesthetic value. What the babes will be looking at. I have not seen many wing manufacturers put out info on aerodynamics of their wings. So in my determination it's only for looks.
Some do enhance the appearance of a car better than others. Performance is a moot term in the affter market when it comes to wings. :smoker2:

WINGS are extremely important. Expecially in High Speed Races.
The wings on cars are kind of like the wings on planes.
The wings on planes are curved at top and straight on bottom creating lift.
But however on cars the wings are curved on the bottom and straight at the top.
This creates something like the opposite of lift.
Makes the car push against the ground so it has better traction.
If the car is going to fast it actually flies up into the air and lose traction that is why they invented the (upside down airplane) wings for cars.
*Car wings are opposite of plane wings.
*Yes they do slow down the car because it provides more traction.
* The Proche 911 Turbo has a wing that automatically pops up when the car is going at 70 or 80 mp/h so the car will still have traction at high speeds.:bloated:

I believe everything you said is true. You just can't get around a design flaw. Especially one that's not for your particular car. It could never help you go faster. But if you equate traction to handling and not performance, I believe you can see what I am trying to say. :)

Originally posted by Dahmin8
The RSX Type R does sound reasonable in price. The Nissan 350Z will definitely be on a different level of competition. I don't know how well a V6 will do on the performance after market side of the market. I have owned V6's in the past and there were always problems finding good performance parts at a reasonable price. There are a few Nissan influenced manufacturers, such as Stillen and Rod Millen. There is still going to be a lot of R&D that will need to be done for the Nissan. The RSX on the other hand seem ready built for the after market gurus'.

I like both cars but it would seem that the RSX will be ahead of the game when it's time to add performance. I also seem to remember a long wait for performance and aesthectic part when the 300ZX was first introduced. The 350Z may experience the same problem. I still have to admit the 350Z will look good stock for years to come.

Nismo agreed to make after market parts for the Z already.....

Here is a little something I posted several months ago:

Originally posted by Chris
A spoiler can add drag (porsche 911 turbo, the 'whale tail' years).
A spoiler works on the Coanda effect. That is, air (or any gas or liquid) flows along like the surface it was on. Therefor, on a car, it goes DOWN the back, meeting the air from the bottom. This increses drag, but the air moving that way kinda (a little bit) decreases lift. Now, as far as I understand it, a spoiler causes the air to go up momentarily, flowing STRAIGT behind the car, not as much going down. This decreases drag. Now, the air UNDERNEATH the car has to come UP to the rear of the car, increasing the distance it has to travel, and therfor increasing speed and decreasing pressure going up (lift).
Now you see how it works. (they are in capitals just to highlight important stuff, not trying to make you look dumb. I have done that unintenially in the past:D )

That is a spoiler, the small 'lip' thing on the back of a car. It has nothing to do with aviation (actually, it does, but not for this reletively simple stuff)
A wing is a device that is an upside down airfoil. It decreases lift, but increases drag. If it is small enough, the drag will be slight. Sometimes it can actually decrease drag by letting the air out quicker and more efficiently. This all depends on a gazillion factors that are hard to understand.

Most magazines call small wings spoilers, which they are not.

Heres another example. On the 911 Turbo, it has a spoiler at first. Then it rises up into uninterupted air, in effect a wing. A true definition is hard to come by, as most people us the terms when they shouldn't.

Most aftermarket wings are useless. I've seen some that are huge hoops of plastic that just add drag.

Do spoilers help handling and performance in your opinion?

Depends. If you look at top speed machines, they will try and avoid wings, they will slow them down.
F1 cars use wings, because even though they slow them down (more power is required to move the car faster), it provides downforce, so the car can go around corners faster, improving the lap time more than the time that would be gained on the straits by no wing.

For the road, wings won't improve performance, and will only be detrimental. Spoilers are on every car, even though it will be very subtle. I even saw one on a Geo Metro 3 cylinder!

If you will be travelling at high speeds or high cornering speeds (autobahn, racetrack), then a wing will be an advantage. Not only will it keep you on the ground, saving your life, it will make you corner faster.

If you point out that dragsters use wings, its to keep them in control, they are purely safety features. Especially since you need to be going so fast for the wing to work, traction isn't an issue.


Well, that was long winded, and I bet I still missed stuff:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dahmin8
No, from what I been told about wings of any sort, by people who race, wings can actually slow a car down if not properly designed for a car. I'm thinking that the wossy wing spoken of is purely an aesthetic value. What the babes will be looking at. I have not seen many wing manufacturers put out info on aerodynamics of their wings. So in my determination it's only for looks.
Some do enhance the appearance of a car better than others. Performance is a moot term in the affter market when it comes to wings. :smoker2:

notice my rolleyes, i was bein sarcastic man

wings are pretty much worthless for street cars, well not quite, but they're not that important

i agree with basically everythin Chris said

The rolleyes have it. We could actually all be on the same page now.:silly2:

WHAT!?!?!?!?:bloated:

One of my cousin's has the Type S, and another cousin has a 'teg Type R...I've driven both many times and heres my conclusion:

The 'teg is a very sporty honda built vehicle. Everything is sport-rough in a good way. It screams when ur pushing it, it shifts w/ clicking sounds, it corners bone-to-road. Its a great sport car.

The RSX is everything I just described about the 'teg, but with syrup poured over each characteristic. The inside isnt as bare- its
amenity-laden; the shifter doesnt have that click- its more buttery; the engine doesnt scream as much- it growls deeply; etc.

Get the point? In other words, everything the 'teg was, the RSX is, but w/ a coating of syrup upon it. If that syrup is to your likeing, then its the car for you. If not, wait for the RSX Type R.:sun:

Nice thanks...
I think the RSX Type R already came out right? (in Japan)
I've seen some pictures of it.
Man the hood looks sweet.
the air intakes look cool.:D

I love the I-VTEC but the styling seems like an upgraded cavalier to me personally for the money i would get a wrx sorry honda/acura

Originally posted by Type R
Nice thanks...
I think the RSX Type R already came out right? (in Japan)
I've seen some pictures of it.
Man the hood looks sweet.
the air intakes look cool.:D

In Japan they still kept the Integra name. Therefore it's known as DC5 Integra Type R.

Originally posted by vamarris
I love the I-VTEC but the styling seems like an upgraded cavalier to me personally for the money i would get a wrx sorry honda/acura

You will be crying if you get WRX now. First STi is coming out. Second Subaru is giving Impreza a face-lift.

Originally posted by F20C


In Japan they still kept the Integra name. Therefore it's known as DC5 Integra Type R.

Nice thanks.
I think DC5 sounds so much better.
It sounds so cool.
DC5 Integra Type R.:D :D

Whens the STi coming out and when is the facelift due? Im asking cause Im either getting the STi or the RSX Type R

Facelift is coming out in late 2002 for JDM market. It might be a bit longer until they bring it over to NA. STi is suppose to come out mid-late 2002 but I doubt that is going to happen. They probaly bring out STi with the new face-lift which would save a lot of money for advertisement and certification etc.

The STi will have those rally-style lights (black with the light poking out).

What is an STi?:confused:

Originally posted by Chris
The STi will have those rally-style lights (black with the light poking out).
theyre called morettes.

Originally posted by Type R
What is an STi?
an STi is the factory upgraded performance version of the wrx, similar to the integra type r being the factory upgrade to the gsr. an sti has 280hp and a 6 speed transmission, along with many other little items such as emblems, shift knob, different headlight cluster, etc...

All this talk about STi...what is an STi? Does anyone know what the letters stand for? Who makes it? If it's so popular, can someone give a bit more detail, some conceptual photos? I hate to sound like a dumb a$$ but who makes it?:confused:

STi=Subaru Technica International
Subaru WRX STi
like i said earlier, 280 hp, 6 speed, among other differences from the average wrx.

What's the cost?:)
Any pics?:o
In other words does it look good on a budget?:D

Man the car that you have for your signature sure is ugly.:bloated:

If that was directed to me:) ... It not a car.
It Dodges Concept truck called the Sidewinder.

It didn't go into production and I'll assume that you're glad.:(

For a truck with a removable roof and other possiblities it's not that bad. Just my 2 cents.:cool:

If its Dodge, Chevrolet, Ford, VolksWagen, etc. = SUCKS
and THANK GOD the truck didn't go into production.:D

I take it that, you don't like trucks?:)

True... True...:D

Just because you asked.

I'll look for a better representative photo for my signature.

In the mean time enjoy the exploits of New Englands fearless leader.:bloated:

Originally posted by Dahmin8
What's the cost?:)
Any pics?:o
In other words does it look good on a budget?:D

expected price for an sti will be around $30,000 but i dont think an exact number has been set yet. considering an rsx type s costs $28,000, for around the same price u get 80 more hp and awd to help put that power down (u dont know how much of an advantage awd is till youve owned one trust me, i never want another 2wd car!) and both cars are 6 speed so no advantage either way there. considering the regular 227hp wrx will outrun an rsx type s, the 280 hp version should kill it. plus the turbo engine offers better tunability than the naturally aspirated and highly strung rsx. so performance per dollar, the sti looks VERY promising, just like the regular wrx and the 2.5 liter impreza!

I can't wait for the RSX Type R to come out or the Civic Type R.
I'll be the first one at the dealership when they first come in to get either one. (mostly likely the RSX Type R):D

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


expected price for an sti will be around $30,000 but i dont think an exact number has been set yet. considering an rsx type s costs $28,000, for around the same price u get 80 more hp and awd to help put that power down (u dont know how much of an advantage awd is till youve owned one trust me, i never want another 2wd car!) and both cars are 6 speed so no advantage either way there. considering the regular 227hp wrx will outrun an rsx type s, the 280 hp version should kill it. plus the turbo engine offers better tunability than the naturally aspirated and highly strung rsx. so performance per dollar, the sti looks VERY promising, just like the regular wrx and the 2.5 liter impreza!

Who told you an RSX Type-S costs $28,000????? The only thing I could possibly think why you'd say something like that is if you were talk'n Canadian Dollars.. but USD they MSRP at $23,650, which is a far cry from $30,000.. but I'm sure the STi is still quite a nice car, however not in the same price range, IMHO.

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

Dollar for dollar you shouldn't even try to compare the two cars.

It's just a sad testament of the times, when in order to get 280 hp you have to come up with 30K.

Back in the days of Chevy< Ford and oh yeah Pontiac you could have 350 hp for less that 10K.:bandit:

Well I mean, you can get higher hp cars for the same price, but it just depends on what kinda muscle you want.. I mean shit.. you can get an Acura RSX Type-S with 200hp and 142lbs torque and pay $23,650, or you can buy a Camaro Z28 with 310hp and 340lbs torque and pay just a bit over $22,000... I don't see why people make a big deal about OH WHY BUY THAT CAR WHEN YOU CAN PAY LITTLE MORE OR A LITTLE LESS AND GET A CAR THAT STARTS OFF WITH MORE HP. Well, it's not just about the hp, it's about the culture, it's about BUILDING the machine with your own bare hands (or your favorite speed shop) and seeing the results that YOU'VE ultimatly created... I don't want an Acura CL or a Camaro for that matter, for 1 reason.. I just don't like them.. I don't like the way they look and I don't like the "genre" that they are often associated with and they just don't feel right.. Gimmie a Civic, or an Integra, or a Prelude anyday; and no, I prolly wouldn't take an accord, even tho it's way faster, it's just not my style.. I'd rather ultimately pay more to build up a civic to 260hp, than just go out and buy a CL that already has it, even if I could afford it... It's all personal preference and individualism, and brand loyalty for that matter..

anyways, that's my 2 cents.. ack, looking back at how long that is, that's more like my $1.99

but anyways, peace I'm out,
-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

The future in car pricing, what a dilema? If you could afford any car that you wanted, you could also direct the path of the genre and personalities that go along with it.

You did make me laugh though. Not out loud, but it does make my day.

Stick with your guns. After all, you're the only one who knows if they'll shoot or not. I just strolled down memory lane for a minute. I don't blame you in your choice. It is after all, a choice.

Hondas should be around for along time, but I just received an e-mail from Summit Racing that says, there is a bill circulating that wants to get rid of late model vehicles. 15 years and older cars will be heading to the scap heap if it goes through. Well Summit is hoping that everyone will write there local Congressman to voice an opinion against such a threat.

This means that not only older Camaros and Cadillacs but also Hondas will be saying goodbye to this world. The only place to locate them, will be in a museum.

In Japan this type of legislation already exists. Next thing you know this forum will be about the RSX Type E for electric car.

I am kind of pissed because to me know matter what kind of car you like if you want it and can afford it, you should be able to own it and modify it and yes fall in love with it.

If you every get an RSX good luck 15 years from now.

Being able to say that it was the best car and the best genre for it's time will be all you'll be able to say if the legislation Summit is talking about goes into affect.

Here the link.

http://www.enjoythedrive.com/san

Do what you have to, protect yourself.

AMEN BRUTHA!! hhaha, that's bs they're try'n to get rid of the older cars.. I like the old domestic beasts too! Gives me somethin to shoot for to be able to beat! (ya rite) But ya, they do that in Japan for quite some time now.. whatever works for them, but I hope we don't get stuck with it!

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

By 2010 one of your kids won't be able to have dads old beater Civic around. The Forum ought to put the word out too, if they think we're worthy.

Originally posted by kale82


Who told you an RSX Type-S costs $28,000????? The only thing I could possibly think why you'd say something like that is if you were talk'n Canadian Dollars.. but USD they MSRP at $23,650, which is a far cry from $30,000.. but I'm sure the STi is still quite a nice car, however not in the same price range, IMHO.

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

that may be the price it says on the honda website, but try going to a dealership and get one for less the $27,000 ill give u props if u can. the ones in the local dealership are $31,000 this guy i know drove 3 hours just to get to a dealership that was down to $28,000. and yes im speaking american dollars. i talked to another guy that paid $29,000 for his. and like i said all the ones in the dealership say $31,000 on the stickers.

and IF u could get one for msrp and not the dealer markup, that puts it in the same price range as the wrx, which is still faster. plus there is NO dealer markup on subarus, they HAVE to sell for msrp.

$31,000?!?!?!?!? OH MY GOD! Thats a rip off! My cousin got his for 24,500. And this was in August. Even 28 thou is too much.

Originally posted by Shariq
$31,000?!?!?!?!? OH MY GOD! Thats a rip off!

no kidding!

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


that may be the price it says on the honda website, but try going to a dealership and get one for less the $27,000 ill give u props if u can. the ones in the local dealership are $31,000 this guy i know drove 3 hours just to get to a dealership that was down to $28,000. and yes im speaking american dollars. i talked to another guy that paid $29,000 for his. and like i said all the ones in the dealership say $31,000 on the stickers.

and IF u could get one for msrp and not the dealer markup, that puts it in the same price range as the wrx, which is still faster. plus there is NO dealer markup on subarus, they HAVE to sell for msrp.

where the hell you shop'n???? HOLLYWOOD or something?? GEEZE THAT'S A RIP!!! I've been to 3 different Acura Dealers in two different states even, look'n at RSX Type-S's...2 in Phoenix. AZ and 1 in Las Vegas, NV and test drove one in phoenix... and the most expensive one I found was $25,500 cuz they put on the full OEM body kit and some aftermarket racing hart rims and some other extra options... Maybe if yer on the East Coast the dealers are fuck'n you guys over cuz i've never bothered to look at the prices on that end, but here on the West Coast, they're sell'n at MSRP, NO DEALER MARKUP, and yes, that's on the sticker.. I mean, shit, they weren't even mark'n up the S2000's that much, and they're sell'n like mad crazy.. the dealer markup on those is about $6k.. I've hit the official website of about 8 other acura dealers in cali and utah also, and they list their inventory and the sticker price, and NONE of those were over $24,000... mind you that's not include'n TT&L, but neither is the WRX that you seem to be so fond of.. Sorry to hear yer buddy got ass raped on an RSX.. that really sucks...

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

Acura Mission Viejo Cali is selling the RSX Type S for under 24K. They also have a beefed up version for 30K, but it includes alot of extras.
If you're in Arkansas I really hope they get straightened out for price gouging.
So if you think about it you should do one of two things. Contact your Better Business Bureau or buy from out of state like the dealers are most definitely doing. Cali's got great prices.:bandit:

honda is definately ripping us off around here. when the s2000 came out they were all about $10k above sticker :bloated: but when i traded my 93 civic i only got $1200 for good condition with a few aftermarket parts. 99 civic si's are just now down to around $18000 here. so u pay more than u should to get one, then get no trade in value when youre done with it.

oh and my "buddy" who got screwed on the rsx, he threw a rod THROUGH the block, warranty didnt cover it cuz he was racing, he didnt have any insurance. so now he pays $450 a month for a lawn decoration!

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
honda is definately ripping us off around here. when the s2000 came out they were all about $10k above sticker :bloated: but when i traded my 93 civic i only got $1200 for good condition with a few aftermarket parts. 99 civic si's are just now down to around $18000 here. so u pay more than u should to get one, then get no trade in value when youre done with it.

oh and my "buddy" who got screwed on the rsx, he threw a rod THROUGH the block, warranty didnt cover it cuz he was racing, he didnt have any insurance. so now he pays $450 a month for a lawn decoration!

Ya I've heard of a few people doin that with the Type-S's cuz the Type-S has no Rev Limiter and people would be cruize'n on the freeway in 6th and some little 89 CRX fly's by them so they downshift and punch it and accidentally downshift into 1st or something and POOF no more engine cuz no rev limiter.. damn that sucks.. When I went and testdrove the Type-S the first thing the salesmen told me BE CAREFUL DOWNSHIFTING, there's no rev limiter on the Type-S's... hehehe.. my "buddy" has a 99 Si, and he let his insurance lapse on it for a week, and in that week, it got stolen, they found it 2 weeks later, completely trashed and stripped of everything, even the honda emblems... so now he's pay'n $380 a month for the same thing.. a lawn ornament.. cuz he had no insurance to pay for it... man, glad I'm not them...

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
honda is definately ripping us off around here. when the s2000 came out they were all about $10k above sticker :bloated: but when i traded my 93 civic i only got $1200 for good condition with a few aftermarket parts. 99 civic si's are just now down to around $18000 here. so u pay more than u should to get one, then get no trade in value when youre done with it.

oh and my "buddy" who got screwed on the rsx, he threw a rod THROUGH the block, warranty didnt cover it cuz he was racing, he didnt have any insurance. so now he pays $450 a month for a lawn decoration!

Honda doesn't rip you off. It's the dealership that rips you off. Honda get's none of those mark up money. Honda sold each S2000 at a loss to dealership. They were given to dealerships at a price of 29K. Some people bought their 2000 models for 41K. Which means a 12K profit for dealership.

Originally posted by kale82
so they downshift and punch it and accidentally downshift into 1st or something and POOF no more engine cuz no rev limiter..

hmm... exactly what he did. i think he went to 2nd at 80mph?

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


hmm... exactly what he did. i think he went to 2nd at 80mph?

OUCH!!!!! Ya, that'll do it!.... :eek: *cringe* :eek:

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

NEVER!
NEVER TALK LIKE THAT TO A HONDA!
HONDAS DON'T RIP PEOPLE OFF!
THE DEALERSHIP DOES!
THAT IS WHY THERE ARE DIFFERENT PRICES AT DIFFERENT DEALERSHIPS!

DAMN THOSE MONEY LOVING DEALERS!:flipa:

my friend went to the local street racing place here in MD on friday and he saw a rsx turbo.........:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: i was like WHAT!?!?!?!??!
and he was like yup.... it supposedly burned a viper gto... and i was like:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: makes me mad that his beeper was out of service....:( just isn't fair!!!!! i wanted to see that... but turbo rsx..??? beat a viper gto.... a must see event

Originally posted by Pharty012
my friend went to the local street racing place here in MD on friday and he saw a rsx turbo.........:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: i was like WHAT!?!?!?!??!
and he was like yup.... it supposedly burned a viper gto... and i was like:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: makes me mad that his beeper was out of service....:( just isn't fair!!!!! i wanted to see that... but turbo rsx..??? beat a viper gto.... a must see event

hmmm... actually I don't doubt it... if he pushed his turbo to about 20psi, you'd be look'n at a 500+hp RSX... depending on what kinda turbo he's got mind you.. damn that'd be fuck'n sweeeeeeeeeeeeet..

*drool*

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

Originally posted by Pharty012
viper gto

u mean gts?

Do you think a Turbo Charged RSX could beat this 2003 Viper?
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/325433DCP_0026.JPG

Originally posted by Dahmin8
Do you think a Turbo Charged RSX could beat this 2003 Viper?
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/325433DCP_0026.JPG

well I guess that would all depend on what the specs were for it now huh? :D

-Bryan Layne
1995 Honda Civic EX

It's a nice VIPER. I'm sure that Dodge would just love to see a race like that on the GP Circuit. You know where a Turbo Charge RSX beats out a Viper or a Corvette for that matter.:)

My idea of vipers are that they are just for looks.
I don't think any vipers has good specs.
I think that they are just for looks.
But thats just my opinion.
:D

beat a viper in what way? many factors determine the outcome... how much boost will it run? how much $$$ will be put into the rsx? that viper has 500 hp and at least 500 lb/ft. so going straight, the viper would devistate a trubo'ed rsx. the viper should also win in a pretty open road course(such as Willow Springs).

Sounds like reality strikes the the RSX if it ever comes up against the Viper to me.
The RSX is a nice little poor man's sports car. I can't afford an RSX or a Viper.
The reason for that is everything in the automotive biz has become over inflated.
That includes some peoples ego's.
I like the RSX.:D
I like the Viper.:cool:
That being said, it would be nice to be able to get a car that's within reach of everyone's pockets. Stable power, with big numbers.
Equivalent to cars in the past niether of these cars, price wise would be realistic.
With cruder methods and technologies, cars in the past put out bigger numbers and didn't have to have babied when crashed.
But alas times have changed.
The 72 Caprice Classic, that I once owned...that cost about $3700 brand new is a thing of the past. It was a V8, 402 ci, heavy as F*^k big boat.
But I liked it too. :p
Did I say earlier that I liked the RSX Type S.
24K is a lot of money and 80K is a greater sum.
I'm sure that your friend while racing a Viper threw a lot of salt in that guys game.
Because there's no way that a Viper on any straight course with somewhere approaching 400 to 500 HP at the crank could possibly have been beaten by anything in Acuras' automotive line up.
I will close by saying that what I believe happened was the guy in the 80K car was having a little fun.
Being a sportman of true character, he allowed the other guy to have some too!!!!
:frog:

I wouldnt say that the integra is excactly dead, there are still quite a bit of integras in the racing world. but ya now that the RSX has come out id does kinda see that the integra is dying. n e ways i think the integra was origional and one of a kind but now that the RSX has come out its like the new baby brother of the family and of course the baby is always gonna the attention. now since i have already accomplished one goal(to own an integra) my next major goal (other than the basic needed mods to my teg) is to own a RSX. :D C:\My Documents\filelib\Ashley's\RSX-R.jpg

)POSTED MIKE
2.0 liter 4-banger in the Type-S propelled the car from 0-60mph in only 6.1 seconds during the latest Car And Driver test. The “base” version of the RSX pumps out 160hp and 141ft-lbs of torque.

It is a good car but does not match in the least to the last Type R Integra (handling and power) and as for refinment, if you want this get a bicycle. As far as the above performance figures are concerned excuse me if I cough Bullshit. The old Type R was only good for 6.7secs 0-60 and the new ones in Australia have been tested running on 98ron fuel and they are only capable of 7 secs flat for the dash.
Dont get me wrong it was about time for a body was upgraded but a few more horses say up to 220 and a better cornering suspension, it would have turned from good into great.:flash:

PS In Oz it is still called a Type R, I would prefer to call it a Type S and hope that the changes I wrote about come into fruition so then it has some ground to stand on.

Just on the Sti debarkle

Subaru has no intension of keeping the bug eyed shape of the current rexs due to its unpopular look and sales. So if you intend on buying one wait unitl 2003 when the new shape arrives. We have had the Sti since Feb and its a piss poor replacement to the last model.

Also the current Sti is down from 280hp to 260hp and will cost at least 8grand more than a standard wrx. :flash:

RSX

Turbo RSX? What the hell did he do? They have an 11:1 compression ratio. I doubt he could push 4 psi on the stock motor without sending himself and his RSX to Hell....
I think the RSX would do better all motor with a nos shot. Just my opinion though.
I'm getting one next month.

*************OPINION******************
They're like apples and oranges. The RSX makes for a better drag car and for a much better car to drive around and cruise it in. I LOVE RSX's, I didn't like them at first because I'm a fan of Integra's. But as soon as I warmed up to them... They're really great cars.
I'd rather have the RSX.
But if all I cared about is performance, which is only one of the five main reasons you buy a car... Then I'd get a WRX, but I'd still debate getting an RSX, it's just a real great car.

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Turbo RSX? What the hell did he do? They have an 11:1 compression ratio. I doubt he could push 4 psi on the stock motor without sending himself and his RSX to Hell....
I think the RSX would do better all motor with a nos shot. Just my opinion though.


It IS possible to lower the compression, and the only way to make maximum power is with FI.

I have had 2 Integra GSR's a BF Red 96 and a SSB 99. Now have the RSXtypeS and have been quite pleased with it.:cool::D:cool:

SinisaMTo anybody that test drove TYPE S... how is the transmission? OK GOOD SUCKS??? I have a 99 Mustang GT and I hate the transmission, it's manual, there is TOO MANY stop signs and lights here you have to slow down and stop every couple of seconds... I hate pulling down into the second gear, than up right up to the 3rd gear... it was just hard... I'd rather drive an automatic... I was wondering about RSX TYPE S transmission since it only comes with a 6 speed manual? How is it? Hard? EASY? is it anything new? Thanx in advance

Originally posted by NewbieUSchic
:D As tired as i am of most Honda/Acura cars this RSX made me say 'Wow an Acura!' which i haven't said in a while.. Unregretably I did sell my civic and bought a 2002 Lancer..yeah yeah i hear bitchin about it but i like it..i'm out of the import scene myself...or until the parts for the US Lancer comes out..heheheh:devil:
The Lancer EVO comes out to the US in January 2003 and I guarantee that it WILL NOT suck!!!

when i see a rsx .. i say .. hey .. there's an rsx..

hahahhaa ...

btw my rsx has honda emblems front and back .. just for fun:alien2:

I have always been a V-8 American car guy (Camaro, T/A etc.) they were fun to drive (11 sec car), but this lille gas sipper is a blast... it is like a go cart or steriods. I would highly reccomend one to anyone thinking about it. Awesome. Does anyone have (validated by timeslips) performance stats on these things? Trap speed/ET? I have read online (motortrend and car and driver) discrepancies of over a second and quite a few mph through the 1/4.

Thanks

Brandon Johnson

rsx looks too much like a space-ship that landed in the middle of a honda factory on top of future integra plans...

hmmm...looks like its worth trying out...seems like the type-s version is very appealing...just hope the handle and acceleration for the rsx improved...i wonder if there are alotta parts out for the rsx...(holla back)

I think the RSX-S is the nicest in it's class!

It is definitely a refined version of the Integra with additional features.
It's a "sexy" looking car that will turn many heads. Everytime I see one, I stop everything I'm doing to take a closer look!! I prefer when it has a rear spoiler!!

I'm planning to buy one in the Spring/Summer of 2003 and I don't think anything else in it's class could change my mind!! :sun:

Perhaps, a WRX?! more power, faster, better handling, 4wd (helps in Canada, but not at all necessary).
It might not be as nice inside as the Acura, but it all depends on what your priorities are. And yes, after the WRX, the RSX is, IMO, best in class.

Even with the WRX in it's class, I still much prefer the RSX.
I wrote a post in the RSX vs. WRX thread attempting to explain why.
Don't get me wrong, the WRX is an absolute well made automobile!
I want more to a car than what's under the hood. But again, it's a personal preference! Luxury is something important to me, so I find the RSX to have a great balance with both performance and "luxury"!

The RSX is a nice car, a little on the ugly side, but it's growing on me, it's not too expensive and pretty quick, I just hope they Bring the R over, that would be great, if they don't, it's still a tight car, and why would you put the RSX and the C-Coupe in the same category, it's an automatic that weighs more and has less horsepower, get a lif man:)

I like it.. but I think its over priced...

I just built my own at the Acura site. Price came out to be $26,995.60 with all the neat little options that appealed to me. :(

Honestly, I wouldn't want to buy a car that only has 200hp for twenty-seven grand... I'd personally rather spend the money on a used '02 Camaro Z28/SS for less money and go faster in every aspect.

Dont take me wrong, I like the RSX. It's a cool looking car just not my style. Although if the Price came down I'd like it even more. :)

Yea, I'm sure thats the case Redneck! You biased MF-er!!:cool:

Pshhh... Biased? Whateverrr... Pshhhhhhhh :hehehe:

I have to like a car a whole bunch for me to even spend the energy to 'build' my own on the internet. :p

Biased... pshhh just because I have 2 Chevy's and planning on getting more means nothing... Biased.. HA... right.... :rolleyes:

Hey I dig my RSX. Put the right parts on it, and it will stand above the rest. You can't argue with this one though :devil: http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0301tur_toda/

i saw the coolest RSX ever on saturday night in MN...black w/ black 18s, dual exhaust, couldnt get a good look at the kit but man i WANTED it. it also helped that a way hot guy was driving it.

Firstly,

If you have some bad stuff to say about RSX's, and you haven't driven one or possibly can't drive very well....please refrain from hating.

I got my RSX Type S a few months ago for $22,750 out the door from Fountain Acura. If you want one...talk to John Pate, and tell him Alan refferred you.

Secondly, if you are doubting stock performance. How about a 14.9@93mph with a 2.3 60ft? Don't believe me? I raced my friends WRX and here was the result : http://66.77.170.144/alan/rsxpics/rsxvswrx.jpg

See the thing with WRX's is that they are great cars but they hold most of their advantage in the launch. If they mess up the launch, they will lose their advantage and one in stock form will lose to cars 4 or 5 tenths of a second slower in stock form.

Thirdly, I have gotten to ride in a Turbo RSX that got up to 23lbs of boost while I was in it. It hasn't been tuned yet, but should be soon. Cybernation Motorsports has made a turbo kit for the RSX. The one I was in was Stage II. Check this picture and video out.

http://superaccord.net/rsx/IMG_0797.JPG

And now for the movie that I recorded inside :

TURBO RSX VIDEO (http://superaccord.net/rsx/turborsx.AVI)

This car has a lot of potential. You should go looking around for a video of one running a Integra Type R. The LSD gets the advantage in the beginning but third and fourth gear pull, catch up, and pass the DC2.

I just taught myself how to keep on the gas while shifting pretty well. I can't wait to go to the track now with Falken Azenis and Injen CAI. I'm hoping for a 14.6

umm!!! NICE !!! I love MY car!!! :icesangel

The DC2 is dead, no contest.
Hell, i was beating stock DC2-R's in my stock RSX-S.
I mean there IS a reason why they replaced the DC2 with the DC5.

and as for the WRX/RSX debate, i know i got the RSX because of the better tranny. The WRX shifts like shit when compared to the RSX....plus NA is so much better then Turbo.

:bloated: its cool man i smoked a gsr with my type s i beated it by like one and a half cars distance i just recently upgraded my S i put in a V2 aem intake, and an Apexi gt spec exhaust. now i'm just waiting for new challenges. i wonder what the outcome is gonna be ?

:eek7: ok the rsx i have driven one worked on one and it looks good but when you look into the specs its still a integra VIVA LA INTEGRA

i duno what the person that started the post is thinking.. the integra is the rsx.. in japan there is no acura no rsx.. its called the honda integra still.. so when you say the integra is dead.. NO IT ISN'T its just renamed under a new company made for the US.. all in all.. they are the same car.. just different generations.. the old integras are dc3 the rsx is dc5

planning on buying an RSX soon. I love it. Only downside is the room in the back sucks, so i guess my tall friends will need to be tied to the roof. :evillol:

went to the dealership and test drove it, pretty damn fast. cant wait till i can have one sittin in my garage! :iceslolan

the fist one is type-s rite???

that's what i have bady~~lol~~

I love RSX soooo much man~~~~do ya?

i duno what the person that started the post is thinking.. the integra is the rsx.. in japan there is no acura no rsx.. its called the honda integra still.. so when you say the integra is dead.. NO IT ISN'T its just renamed under a new company made for the US.. all in all.. they are the same car.. just different generations.. the old integras are dc3 the rsx is dc5

old integra is DC2
the one here and japan is very different...
not only do they get better gear ratios
more hp...
less sound deadening material within the car...
hmm...
ahh yes... i almost forgot...
LSD...
they have headlights w/black housing...
slightly more aggressive cams
better intake manifold
oh... and they have the very nice and well known Type R badge :iceslolan

old integra is DC2
the one here and japan is very different...
not only do they get better gear ratios
more hp...
less sound deadening material within the car...
hmm...
ahh yes... i almost forgot...
LSD...
they have headlights w/black housing...
slightly more aggressive cams
better intake manifold
oh... and they have the very nice and well known Type R badge :iceslolan

yea i know.. but they aren't like DRASTICALLY different.. and not all the integras over there have lsd right? or it would be a GREAT CAR.. o yah sorry about missing all that good stuff on my post =X

The RSX Type-s is a much better car, even than the Integra Type-r...just read.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=2373&page_number=1

WaKE UP
You probably didnt understand that i am 22 years old and i own a 320rwhp Silvia S15 with 350NM of torque that tears up the tarmac.Three weeks ago i raced with a freaking modified S2000 with Mugen header, filter,exhaust,cams and ECU!! We raced for about 500m and the only thing it could do was to eat my 5-foot flames and my 245 rear rubber. About your NSX god, you first have to understand something. In the GT category, Nissan with the Skyline GT-R has always dominated with the Supra,NSX and RX-7 coming afterwards.
In the 2-litre class, again Hondas were last.Silvias take the shit out of them.(S2000,RSX,Prelude).Then it was the Toyota Celica GT-4 and last the Hondas.
Learn to compare categories of cars.But even with NOT equal classes of cars, a modified Silvia can go up to 800HP @ the WHEELS!!!
While an NSX naturally aspirated modified can go to 400-500hp.
So it eats dust again. Not to say about the SKYLINE that goes up to 1300hp....
Sorry buddy, but that is the raw reality about Japanese cars....
I dedicated my life in tuning, meeting personally the presidents of JUN, Top Fuel and Top Secret. I owned A Nissan Primera 2.0, an Audi A4 1.8 turbo and finally my current 1999 Nissan Silvia S15 Spec-R.

blues15 - Quit drinking caboose juice. No one gives a crap. Not to mention that the Silvia and Skyline aren't in North America.
And how are you getting the flames? Do you have a carb? Or are you running the raw fuel through spark plugs? Or ar you using a mis-firing system? You sure as hell aren't running a carb, and you probably won't use a mis-firing system in a daily driver/private car, so you're doing it 2 Small 2 Be a dick style. If you know so much about cars you do realize that turbo'd cars will crush NA's most of the time. And there are a few 1000hp NSX's, the RSX is said to have a potential for 1100whp (according to Cybernation, the manufacturer of the fastest street RSX and the main RSX turbo company). So yes, you said that NA the NSX tops out 400-500. That's probably true. But what about if the SR20 was NA? It'd have much less. Drop in FI into the NSX or RSX and it could hang with or totally own the Silvia without blinking.

And keep in mind, I'm a fan of Nissan Japan and would've probably gotten an S15 if i could.....


BUT here is the reason why people might be detered from buying Nissan. Trolls like you own them.

I haven't driven one personally but I have to admit that it reminded me of the CRX at first sight...not a bad thing. My first car was a CRX-a 1990, what an amazing car. Anyone else see these similarities?

BUT here is the reason why people might be detered from buying Nissan. Trolls like you own them.

A friendless idiot in a fast Nissan is, after all, still a friendless idiot...

Yeah, but who'd want to be somewhat kinda assosciated with him:D I don't even wanna live on the same side of the world as him :D

That's probably best...to avoid his far reaching exhaust flames and all :disappoin :lol:

His breath'd probably be worse than the flames:D

I'll take the RSX and day, and then donate my bowels to the Integra.

Whatever floats your boat, just don't post pics :D

How do you get 67,497 views and only 240 posts? Man, that's a lot of people that are "window shopping".

The DC2 is the "holy grail" of the Noth American JDM scene for good reason. It's a clasic!

The DC2 is the "holy grail" of the Noth American JDM scene for good reason. It's a clasic!

Well said.

Let old thread remain where they are.