As of Oct 1st

Florida Passes Car Confiscation Legislation
Police in Florida can seize cars used in racing without a hearing or due process.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/03/379.asp

Same thing happened in California a while back if I remember correctly.

ouch, thats gotta suck...but honestly, if you get chraged with street racing here they temporarily take your car, you get a gazillion demerit points, and no insurance company will take you , unless you pay HUGE

he he he...Al Bundy...

bs, they can't do that...i'd call bs on Florida if I were you. (they probably can, I only took one law class)

Holy crap!! did anyone see how many deaths were caused by street racing. Thank god they finally found a fitting way to take care of that tom foolery. :disappoin Government doesn't have any priorites as far as I'm concerned. doushebags.

I'd like to see how many asshole cops are going to pin people for being over-zealous at the stop light?

in 2001 street racing was the facter in 135 deadily accidents, almost 50,000 poeple where killed in dead accidents in 2001.

Some states are soooo stupid

If the Florida state government really wanted to save lives out on the road they would stop giving 16 year kids full operators licenses. In NJ you have to be 18 before you recieve your license.

bs, they can't do that...i'd call bs on Florida if I were you. (they probably can, I only took one law class)

You're going to call BS on a state?!?!

LOL

Anyhow, if they passed it into law then they can take your car and they will.

Doesn't that violate the whole part in the Constitution about a right to a fair trial by jury?

Doesn't that violate the whole part in the Constitution about a right to a fair trial by jury?

uhh thats why you setup a court date, if you prove yourself not guilty of street racing they will give your car back. Or give the judge a good reason why you need the car so bad, maybe they will be nice.

And they dont take your car away right there and then, they impound it, which is perfectly legal for them to do.

dont buy that shit about so many deaths due to street racing. here in Fl if you crash your car and you are 25 or younger they will say you where street racing.

I'll tell you guys a qucik story.

The very first week that 2 Fast 2 Furious came out there was an accident involving 16 year old and a Corvette. the kid had been driving, lost control and crashed against an electrical pole. the wires fell and his car exploded. he was crushed, burnned and killed.
I saw the car and I saw them picking up the pieces, it was horrible.
That night the news was all over it. "16 year old killed in street race , Parents and comunity blame new racing movie"

you guessed it. they blamed 2 fast 2 furious for the kids death.

so a few days go by and I pick up a newspaper. here is the story. the kid had gone out with his friends and watched 2 fast 2 furious and then had all of a sudden realized that street racing is soooo cooool that he had to do it, he had to be Brian, he had to be 2 fast and 2 furious! he went out and lined them up on 8th street. a black honda Civic , a white Mitsubishi Eclipse and his mom's silver Corvette. he had been going 120mph when the eclipse side swipped him and he lost control and crashed and died.

YUP, the kid died because he watched a racing movie. I was like "stupid fuck should of known better" but I knew it was BS cause how the fuck does and Eclipse catch up to a Corvette and 120 and side swipe him???? and why?

well that very night on the news they gave the same story and said that they where looking for a white eclipse believed to be involved in the death. and they pulled 2 fast 2 furious out of some threaters.

it gets better.
my sister works at Baptist Hospital where they did the autopsy. Toxicology reported that his alcohol blood level was 5 times the legal limit. he was fucking drunk!

wait it gets better.
I met the guys who saw him last because my wife is friends with his cousin. my wife and her worked together at bath and beyond.
the kids that had been with him on the last night of his life told me the story. His mom had given her 16 year old son who had no license the keys to her Corvette, he had gone to a party that night for his cousins communion. he got drunk and drove home smashed. whether there was a street race or not they dont know but the point is the news left all this out of the picture.
for all we know dumb fuck ate the pole all by himself with no "racers" to assist him.

the point is you cant believe all those statistics cause most of them are unproven and dismissed as a street race.
"oh he was young? and and it was a sports car, yeah he was street racing"

im willng to bet that more people are killed in regular non-street racing involved automobile accidents.

just my .02

If the Florida state government really wanted to save lives out on the road they would stop giving 16 year kids full operators licenses. In NJ you have to be 18 before you recieve your license.

yes...that is why we have a step program...dumbass :sly:
15: Learners
16: 11 o'clock curfew
17: 1 o'clock curfew

0 alcohol tolerance and if you get 6points on your license before yo uare 18 you are restricted to business and schoo purposes only untill you are 18.

What FL DOES need to do is start pulling over Women driving Minivans and, worse yet, Suburbans (or similar SUV's) full of kids, talking on the cell phone, putting on lip stick, masterbating, and eating all at the same time that are cutting people off, nearly running off the road, swerving from lane to lane...we all know the drill.

Also, they need to get all of these damn incompetent snow birds and old farts driving thier cadilac car off the road by making them take a driving test at least bi anually once they hit 65-70.

Also, they need to start teaching dumbass teenage/low 20's felmales that the rear view mirror is NOT a vanity mirror... just 2 weeks ago a girl was putting on make up and swerved into oncomming traffic, she is having to have extreme facial reconstruction and the victum is still in IC. now all the make up in the world isnt going to cover up the scars, flat noise and funny shapped cheek bones.

they also need to crack down on drunk driving and idiots pulling stupid shit on the interstate, especially in bad weather...ive been tailgated down 75 going 85mph... and i was in the middle Fing lane.
my dad has been cut off by inches in heavy rain on i-75 going 75.

but i can beleive the 2f2f shit...
i remember the night i saw the movie... in the parking lot everyone was revving their engines and trying to peal out and shit...
my friend was driving his dads blown fox body mustang...he spanked so much ass that night...

anyway kids do see shit like that and think they have to do it.

yup thank those movies for this law... i swear people believe fucking anything they see or read and the media doesnt give a shit what the truth is as long as it sells. its retarded

san antonio has had this for a while now

they don't have this over here in Wi. They just like to give tickets, but mostly to imports. the import can have full catback legal exhaust, and be given a fix it or ticket thing, but the muscle cars are even louder and dont get no tickets for their exhaust.

street racing isn't really known as a problem here b/c they have other things to worry about.

we have a lil step program up here as well
15-permit
16-probationary (midnight curfue and only 1 other person in the car unless with a 21 or older person with lisence for 2 years)
17 1/2 - full no restraints

Asshole politicians do anything that sounds good to the general public. Like i said our system is f*cked up.

On a related note in King county Washington they are passing new strip joint laws. They all now have to have "department store" type lighting, no more private rooms, AND the strippers have to be 4 feet away during a lap dance.

Seriously what harm is a strip joint going to do? God forbid a woman grinds up against a man. Now the strip clubs are going to go out of buisness or move. Tell me that isn't a load of pointless bullshit. I can't believe that they'd actually waste time on something like that LIKE ITS A BIG F*CKING DEAL. DAMNIT! (btw I've only been to a strip club once. My point is it's all about the image)

The fast and furious movies were stupid to begin with; they insulted my intelligence when I watched them. That said...

I think street racing is the cause of more accidents than we know. The trouble with street racing is it has to be proven that someone was racing before you can charge them with it. Let me give you a scenario: A week or so ago, a kid and his friend were driving their Chevrolet Cobalt along the 401 and it somehow got caught under the wheels of a tractor trailer, burst into flames, and burned the car and its occupants very crispy. At first, they thought it might have been a bad lane change, then they recovered the cars "Black box." The air bag chip recorded the speed at impact at 156 km/h (97 MPH) before the air bags went off. Now, it is common for people to drive at 130 km/h (80 MPH) along this highway, but this guy was doing almost 100 MPH at the point of impact. Usually, people slow down before impact, so it is likely that the driver was going even faster.

Since this happened after midnight on a week night, there wasn't any witnesses...but when your car ends up under the wheels of a truck at 100 MPH, and there's no evidence of alcohol involved, the logical conclusion is that this idiot was racing.

The thing is, our streets and highways are paid for and owned by the taxpayers (general public). We live in a supposed democrasy, where the majority rules. The majority does not want to see their streets turned into drag strips because we all know that racing involves speed, increased speed means reduced reaction time, and public roads are uncontrolled which means anything can happen. Just ask the motorcycle rider who hit the side of a car at 100 MPH that decided to do a U-turn. Or not, because he's dead now.

A lot of you guys sound like the smoker who thinks, smoking doesn't cause cancer and it won't happen to me, I should be able to smoke anywhere I want.

The simple fact of the matter is, there is a process that's involved for these laws to pass. If you can manage to convince everyone that you should be allowed to turn their streets into impromptu drag strips for your own personal enjoyment and gratification, then by all means do so.

they don't have this over here in Wi. They just like to give tickets, but mostly to imports. the import can have full catback legal exhaust, and be given a fix it or ticket thing, but the muscle cars are even louder and dont get no tickets for their exhaust.


That's likely because most muscle cars would fall under the "Classic" or "Vintage" car classification due to their age. They probably meet the requirements of the year they were built in, when cars were spewing out fumes from leaded gasoline. Due to their classification, they wouldn't be daily drivers. If I were to stick an overtly loud catback system on my Grand Am GT, I'd probably receive the same kind of attention.

On a related note in King county Washington they are passing new strip joint laws. They all now have to have "department store" type lighting, no more private rooms, AND the strippers have to be 4 feet away during a lap dance.

Seriously what harm is a strip joint going to do? God forbid a woman grinds up against a man.

The issue there isn't about what a consenting woman and man want to do with each other. The issue is that bad things can (and do) happen at strip clubs if left unregulated. This is usually compounded by the fact that these strip clubs are located where people live and/or work. Now, I hear you say, what's the harm, why interfere with their business? There's a mindset these days that a business should be able to do whatever they want to make a dollar, as long as nobody gets hurt. The fact of the matter is, businesses are regulated to protect people from what *might* happen. It's why we say that bars and restaurants can't serve people alcohol until they reach a certain age. It's why restaurants are inspected to make sure food is prepped in a manner that is sanitary. You can give your own kid a glass of wine, prepare your food any way you like, and have a woman grind against you in your own home, but a business is not a residence and as such will face regulations and laws. You may not like it, but as long as we believe we're living in a democrasy, the will of the majority rules.

^^^ uhh no you cant give your kid a glass of whine in your own home. The fact that it is illegal in anyform to serve a minor alchohol. Granit i doubt anyone will care about one glass, but i know people who got tickets for that.

A family friend of ours daughter graduated. There were a group of kids who were great friends and so were the parents. One night they decided to have a part together. The parents were upstrairs drinking and what not, the kids (and when i mean kids, i mean 17 18 year olds) were in the basement drinking. Well apparently someone who thought they should have been invited but wasnt called the cops, the cops showed up and asked to come in. Once they were in the house they searched the house, went into the basement and wrote every kid down there a MIP and the parents tickets for distributing alcohol to a minor.

^^^It is illegal to get a minor intoxicated. It is not, however, illegal to give YOUR own child (not someone else's child) a glass of wine. As long as the amount of wine you are giving them is not sufficient to cause intoxication.

actually, these cars are usually all motor anf just have the i/h/e and basic bolt ons. not enough to need track gas. but they are actually newer cars like the 96 mustangs and the 90's camaros are very popular. occasionally you will see a vintage stang, but they are usally just restored....

dude everyones missing the point now, the fact is street racing isnt a pressing issue, most accidents arent caused by it. this law shouldnt be something our government is dealing with first, its not nearly as important as other issues.

too drunk

san antonio has had this for a while now
I had a cop in Kirby tell me if i spun my tires again around the block they would take my car and sell it.

dude everyones missing the point now, the fact is street racing isnt a pressing issue, most accidents arent caused by it. this law shouldnt be something our government is dealing with first, its not nearly as important as other issues.

Are you suggesting that people should only focus on the most important issues, and forget about the other ones? Did you collect your own statistical data, using a sufficiently large enough sample, to prove that turning public streets into impromptu drag strips is a completely safe hobby to pursue? As I mentioned previously, the difficulty with regards to street racing is actually proving that a street race took place. In most cases, those involved would have to be stupid enough to actually admit they were street racing. When they can't prove that a street race caused an accident and/or death, they attribute it to "Speeding" or "Wreckless driving" because that's usually all they can prove after the fact.

dude everyones missing the point now, the fact is street racing isnt a pressing issue, most accidents arent caused by it. this law shouldnt be something our government is dealing with first, its not nearly as important as other issues.

Thank you.

As far as anyone debating my point about the strip clubs, then your obviously a little bit too conservative. That's my :2cents: Plus like I said who really gives a shit about a strip club? It's not infecting everything in its radius. Anyways there are much bigger things to waste your time on.

What FL DOES need to do is start pulling over Women driving Minivans and, worse yet, Suburbans (or similar SUV's) full of kids, talking on the cell phone, putting on lip stick, masterbating, and eating all at the same time that are cutting people off, nearly running off the road, swerving from lane to lane...we all know the drill.



WAIT WAIT WAIT...FL has women masterbating with their kids int eh back of their SUVs? God PA is too conservative :lol:
Anyway, can't say I like the law, and yes cops and press sometimes do give alot of BS. But that's life, we are breaking the law, and they are doing their jobs. It's not fair, but neither is alot of other things. Bottom line, is all this bitching really necessary? Especially being that this thread has NO racing involved.

Are you suggesting that people should only focus on the most important issues, and forget about the other ones? Did you collect your own statistical data, using a sufficiently large enough sample, to prove that turning public streets into impromptu drag strips is a completely safe hobby to pursue? As I mentioned previously, the difficulty with regards to street racing is actually proving that a street race took place. In most cases, those involved would have to be stupid enough to actually admit they were street racing. When they can't prove that a street race caused an accident and/or death, they attribute it to "Speeding" or "Wreckless driving" because that's usually all they can prove after the fact.
Why are you in the street racing forum? Just a question.

well about the corvette kid, remember legal limit for a 16 year old is .001 BAC. Some pain releivers actually have more alcohol than that. and the legal limit for 21+ is .08, 5 times .08 is .4. He'd fall into a coma and die before he reached .4, so I think it's safe to assume that he was "5 times over" .001 and not .08. .005 is virually no BAC and that was most definitely not the reason he died.

As for the government seizure, some people didn't read close enough. They take your car for 10 days on forst offense, on second they take your car and sell it as used. As hard as that sounds I really do agree that it's a good system. Most of us are probably responsible about the time and place we chose to race in, but let's face it... most aren't.

It'd be far too complex to write laws dictating when the punishments should be severe (during heavy traffic, on neighborhood roads, etc.) or when the racers should just get minor fines (late night no traffic, safe surrounding.) And even then the government will be more concerned about if they're pleasing middle aged adults because that's where their votes come from. They won't care how "fair" it is. Remember by street racing you're breaking the law anyway, you're no one to argue how "fair" the punishment is. So if you're prepared to race be prepared to face the consequences.

BTW, I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying be responsible. But if you get caught don't go whining, because you knew what you were getting yourself into beforehand.

The more I think about the law it might be a good thing. It will get alot of the ricers off the streets. :naughty:

Thank you.

As far as anyone debating my point about the strip clubs, then your obviously a little bit too conservative. That's my :2cents: Plus like I said who really gives a shit about a strip club? It's not infecting everything in its radius. Anyways there are much bigger things to waste your time on.

Actually, it's not the stripping itself, but rather the drugs, crime, and violence that tends to radiate from these clubs. They don't exactly draw the highest calibre of clientelle, if you know what I mean.

Why are you in the street racing forum? Just a question.

Why, for the entertainment, obviously. I thought I'd answered that question in another thread here?

Actually, it's not the stripping itself, but rather the drugs, crime, and violence that tends to radiate from these clubs. They don't exactly draw the highest calibre of clientelle, if you know what I mean.



Why, for the entertainment, obviously. I thought I'd answered that question in another thread here?
So therefore you are supporting street racing.

Your in a white room, no doors, no windows. There is a table directly in front of you with a box and a note attached to it saying do not open.
The note says not to open, but because your given a direct "order" not to open the box, some will try and see if they can open the box and get away with it. Just liek when you were a child and your mom told you not to eat the chocolate chip cookies before dinner, you still did and tried to get away with it....it's human nature in some to do something like that.
So however many laws they pass, it will not eliminate the problem. In fact it might not even nudge the statistics at all...if they really wanted to prevent street-racing, then they would make it illegal to sell aftermarket performance parts, govern every car to 60mp/h or some other extreme like that. But no, they rather the fake safety net that a law is passed and the people are happy without any real results

Your in a white room, no doors, no windows. There is a table directly in front of you with a box and a note attached to it saying do not open.
The note says not to open, but because your given a direct "order" not to open the box, some will try and see if they can open the box and get away with it. Just liek when you were a child and your mom told you not to eat the chocolate chip cookies before dinner, you still did and tried to get away with it....it's human nature in some to do something like that.
So however many laws they pass, it will not eliminate the problem. In fact it might not even nudge the statistics at all...if they really wanted to prevent street-racing, then they would make it illegal to sell aftermarket performance parts, govern every car to 60mp/h or some other extreme like that. But no, they rather the fake safety net that a law is passed and the people are happy without any real results


My mom always tells me not to push buttons on shit. Especially since I have a history of ruining things with buttons. For instance, she took me to work once when I was just a baby. And I waddled my ass over to a computer system and managed to push a few buttons and I brought down the entire system for several stores... completely crashed it.

This was back in the early 80s mind you when computer setups were still new and highly complicated....

To this day, she still reminds me of that. "Do not touch anything!!!"

:p

So therefore you are supporting street racing.

Support it? Last I checked, it's not on the list of charities or causes that I support.

If the term you are looking for is condone, then no, I don't condone it. Simply because there's too many idiots out there who don't understand how to do it responsibly and end up hurting or killing someone. A quick run up to a quasi-legal speed limit from a light; fine...but some of these morons are taking their cars up over 90 MPH in residential areas which is completely moronic.

I personally think these laws are an excellent idea. The responsible ones will still get away with it (because they're smart about it), while the idiots get to pay the price.

this fucking thread got boring 2 pages back. I hate the internet! If I where in class debating I would of jumped over a table and knife-kicked some in the wind pipe for disagreeing with me.

the bottom line is the law is gonna happen, we cant do shit about it, live with it!

that example of the cobalt crashing is a biggest pile of bullshit I have everheard. I drive 100-115 mph daily on my way to work. If I was a kid who just got a Cobalt I'd be driving that fast too just cause I can! and to crash at those speeds is perfectly normal, but to blame it on street racing just cause they are young and its a sports car.....thats retarded. I personally will drive even more agressively now.

when I was a kid and cryed for some stupid shit my mom would smack me hard as fuck and say "you gonna cry, I'll give you a reason to cry"

Our state reps think all those accidents are caused by street racers, I'll give them a fucking reason to bitch now!

^^^It is illegal to get a minor intoxicated. It is not, however, illegal to give YOUR own child (not someone else's child) a glass of wine. As long as the amount of wine you are giving them is not sufficient to cause intoxication.

Wrong, It is illegal to distribute any form of Ethanol prepared for consumption to anyone underthe age of 21 in Florida (i cant speak for other states) except under the circumstances that it is intended for Medical purposes (ie Vicks or Robotusen or w/e, no it isnt the alcohol in thoes that gets you high ether, its the deconjestiants...sp... that, when taken in large doses, act as a halusinagen...sp agian..) or in the instance that it has to do with a religious ceremony. parent or not.
So you are allowed to have some wine during passover and you are allowed to have some wine (blood of christ) during Mass or Communion.

Now if you give your kids wine are you going to be prosicuted, no. however it is technially agianst the law.

Or you can do like my friends dad does "sore throat? here, take a shot of jack, that'll clear ya up" :rofl:

Support it? Last I checked, it's not on the list of charities or causes that I support.

If the term you are looking for is condone, then no, I don't condone it. Simply because there's too many idiots out there who don't understand how to do it responsibly and end up hurting or killing someone. A quick run up to a quasi-legal speed limit from a light; fine...but some of these morons are taking their cars up over 90 MPH in residential areas which is completely moronic.

I personally think these laws are an excellent idea. The responsible ones will still get away with it (because they're smart about it), while the idiots get to pay the price.

sorry if i seem like im attacking you, im not, your posts just give me something to say. lol.

I agree that taking your car to speeds of over 90mph in residenial and even in commercial area's during business hours and times with alot of pedestrian traffic and street traffic is extremely stupid. However late at night, in commercial area's, no traffic...go for it. in rural area's and on expressways... if the way is clear its all yours.
even the "hit the limit first" game is fine, but the law states that you can be pulled over for racing for doing that... senario:
You pull up to a red light and a car you'd like to race pulls up next to you. he revs you rev w/e, the race is initiated through revving oneanothers engines, even if you dont hold stead revs as if going for a hard launch.
light goes green and if either of you even takes of under what the policeman's who whitnesses it's descresion as "fast," you both can be pulled over and ticket for both reckless driving and racing on the street...especailly if there is any squealing of the tires involved.

and under this law being ticketed for street racing is an automatic impounding of your vehicle, no questions asked.

so how is THAT fair?

truth be told it isnt, but you also cant lax the restrictions either, because if its up to the policemans discression then "racing" that doesnt truely warrant impounding of the violators vehicle could suddenly become warrant for impounding (if that makes sence).
and if the policeman, say, knows the violator he could let him off in a situation which warrants impounding, there are also bribes and other crap.

im in no way agianst street racing and i fully condone it when it is done with a little bit of brains, boys will be boys and we will play with our big, potentially deadly if not used with common since, toys... the key is to understand that cars ARE lethal weapons and they shouldnt be used irresponsibly in area's in which their likleyhood to cause death increasses greatly (heavy traffic and residential areas).

this fucking thread got boring 2 pages back. I hate the internet! If I where in class debating I would of jumped over a table and knife-kicked some in the wind pipe for disagreeing with me.

Oh yeah, that's a great way to get someone to change their opinion and agree with you. In fact, it's so witty and intelligent, I can't figure out why people just don't do it all the time. I disagree with you, you knife-kick me in the windpipe. Then you disagree with someone else, so they knife-kick you in the windpipe. I suppose as long as we stick to knife-kicking in the windpipe and don't bring guns into it, it should work out just fine. Eventually, everyone will just agree with everyone else to avoid being knife-kicked in the windpipe and we'll live in a perfect world full of peace and harmony. :rolleyes:


that example of the cobalt crashing is a biggest pile of bullshit I have everheard. I drive 100-115 mph daily on my way to work. If I was a kid who just got a Cobalt I'd be driving that fast too just cause I can! and to crash at those speeds is perfectly normal, but to blame it on street racing just cause they are young and its a sports car.....thats retarded. I personally will drive even more agressively now.


Oh, you're so badass, I can hardly contain myself. That will show them, won't it? They'd better not get in your way, 'cause you'll just knife-kick them all in their windpipes if they don't like your agressive driving style.


when I was a kid and cryed for some stupid shit my mom would smack me hard as fuck and say "you gonna cry, I'll give you a reason to cry"

You see, what she really should have done is knife-kicked you in the windpipe. That would've stopped the crying, and suddenly you would see her point of view. :lol:


Our state reps think all those accidents are caused by street racers, I'll give them a fucking reason to bitch now!

Oh, you da man! Better wear some sturdy boots; all those knife-kicks to their windpipes are going to wear out a regular pair of sneakers, I'd bet! :rofl:

Oh yeah, that's a great way to get someone to change their opinion and agree with you. In fact, it's so witty and intelligent, I can't figure out why people just don't do it all the time. I disagree with you, you knife-kick me in the windpipe. Then you disagree with someone else, so they knife-kick you in the windpipe. I suppose as long as we stick to knife-kicking in the windpipe and don't bring guns into it, it should work out just fine. Eventually, everyone will just agree with everyone else to avoid being knife-kicked in the windpipe and we'll live in a perfect world full of peace and harmony. :rolleyes:



Oh, you're so badass, I can hardly contain myself. That will show them, won't it? They'd better not get in your way, 'cause you'll just knife-kick them all in their windpipes if they don't like your agressive driving style.



You see, what she really should have done is knife-kicked you in the windpipe. That would've stopped the crying, and suddenly you would see her point of view. :lol:



Oh, you da man! Better wear some sturdy boots; all those knife-kicks to their windpipes are going to wear out a regular pair of sneakers, I'd bet! :rofl:
?????lets calm down now kiddys. :lol:

Oh yeah, that's a great way to get someone to change their opinion and agree with you. In fact, it's so witty and intelligent, I can't figure out why people just don't do it all the time. I disagree with you, you knife-kick me in the windpipe. Then you disagree with someone else, so they knife-kick you in the windpipe. I suppose as long as we stick to knife-kicking in the windpipe and don't bring guns into it, it should work out just fine. Eventually, everyone will just agree with everyone else to avoid being knife-kicked in the windpipe and we'll live in a perfect world full of peace and harmony. :rolleyes:



Oh, you're so badass, I can hardly contain myself. That will show them, won't it? They'd better not get in your way, 'cause you'll just knife-kick them all in their windpipes if they don't like your agressive driving style.



You see, what she really should have done is knife-kicked you in the windpipe. That would've stopped the crying, and suddenly you would see her point of view. :lol:



Oh, you da man! Better wear some sturdy boots; all those knife-kicks to their windpipes are going to wear out a regular pair of sneakers, I'd bet! :rofl:



:spit:


Sorry im not taking sides but that was funny :iceslolan

Sorry im not taking sides but that was funny :iceslolan

eh worth a giggle in the least.

i just mean I hate arguement online cause of how impersonal it is. as far as the whole kicking people around, well thats just who I am. Im violent and I dont care much for what others think about it. what can I say its who I am, its landed me in jail a few times but its also brought me alot of victories that I'm very proud off, sponsorships and trips to fight and compete around the world at amuture and pro level so if kicking people in the wind-pipe is funny to you thats fine but I was actually serious.

I dont mind that you have an opinion about it but there is no need to get personal Digital. you dont agree with me thats fine, not a damn thing I can do about that! but I am serious about giving them a reason to bitch. The Miami Herald said that more then 42% of vehicular deaths last year where caused by drag racing. BULLSHIT. the majority of people who get killed are not racing they are simply driving fast to show off to someone in the passenger seat and loose control. its simple reckless driving. the fact that these asshole media folk spin it to sell newspapers and then in turn screw people like me over, thats what pisses me off.

Remember Columbine? these kids get sick and tired of being pushed around and being labeled by the popular kids in school so what do they do? they blast them in the face. all of a sudden the media spins it. they dont blame stuck up rich kids picking on kids with different interests, no they blame it on marylin manson and Doom and rocker wear.....and people buy into this shit!
all of a sudden there is this genra profiling going on in schools around the nation. If you wear a Metallica shirt you get expelled, if you have a Megadeath CD you get expelled, if you have a wallet with a skull and crossbones and a chain clipped to the belt you get expelled. its stupid.
I had my fun giving them reason to bitch back then too but thats a whole nother story.

bottom line. I hate the new law, it will affect me as a Floridian and I do plan to do bad bad things about it.

what I cant figure out Digital is why you get personal with me. you have nothing to do with this law and you have no reason to pass any kind of judgement on me! your still a noob, you havent earned any kind of credit or respect around here (not that I have either) so far all you have contributed is pure garbage and your post on how you almost got that kid in the tC killed just cause he has a nicer car then you goes completely against your views mentioned on this thread in regards to street racing.

It's a state law, just like California, so that means it's statutory. I'm sure someone will fight against it, and have it moved up to the Supreme Court (Federal Court). Driving is considered a privilege though, so i'll be amazed if they do retract that law ever, especially considering the number of fatalities from street racing.

On a personal note, if they really wanna stop people from street racing illegally, or from going from street racing to drugs/whatever, then they should just close off a large street with no buildings along the sides, so that there is nothing to crash into. Fill it up w/ paramedics, firefighters, have it happen once a month, and the fatalities would decrease (Of course a waiver would have to be signed, and only 18+ year olds would be permitted to race).

California is a joke. I SAY JOKE, because they outright lost alot of commission when they imposed that law. It's funny, cause they are making people assume other pursuits in order for a rise, as they have actually gone out of their way to close down the tracks in the area (Carlsbad and now Irwingdale). I can't wait to get out of this hell hole.

the autobaun has no speed limit and they have less accidents than in the united states.

so i'll be amazed if they do retract that law ever, especially considering the number of fatalities from street racing.



But if you look at the numbers of fatalities from street racing compared to the grand scheme of things. It's a stupidly low number, far far less than drunk driving.

For Instance:

In 2001, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reported that police listed street racing as a factor in 135 fatal crashes in California.

In 1999, the Florida Department of Highway and Safety for Motor Vehicles reported 28 accidents related to Illegal Street racing with 2 fatalities and 27 injuries.

In 2000, the agency reported 39 racing accidents, with 1 fatality and 55 injuries.

In 2002, there were 48 racing accidents, 1 fatality, and 60 injuries.

One year of Drunk Driving in California:
In 2002, the number of persons killed in alcohol-involved collisions was 1,416 in California alone. Along with the number of persons injured in alcohol-involved collisions was 32,041.

I F***ing hate drunk drivers. One almost killed my father five years back. They always seem to get off so easy if no one dies. I mean the only people they seem to come down on are teenage drunk drivers. I think they deserve to be shot! Realistically though they should be tried with attempted man slaughter.

When I started this thread I had no idea that it would get this long and this goddamn funny. I laughed so hard a few minutes ago that I felt like I got knife-kicked in the fucking balls.

Thanks for all of your posts. :thumbsup:

eh worth a giggle in the least.

i just mean I hate arguement online cause of how impersonal it is.

Well, "I hate arguement online" because it's actually pretty pointless. So I have fun instead.

as far as the whole kicking people around, well thats just who I am. Im violent and I dont care much for what others think about it. what can I say its who I am, its landed me in jail a few times but its also brought me alot of victories that I'm very proud off, sponsorships and trips to fight and compete around the world at amuture and pro level so if kicking people in the wind-pipe is funny to you thats fine but I was actually serious.

Odd; for all that pride, sponsorships, competitions and victories you have won, the only thing in your profile about it is "Martial arts" listed as an interest. My son's 6 year old friend has an "interest" in Martial arts and has more to say about it than you do. The people I know who compete competitively usually have some sort of a web site with some pictures of themselves in action, and the ones who really know their shit also know that violence should only be used as a last resort because it doesn't actually solve anything.


I dont mind that you have an opinion about it

I just don't know what I would've done if I had thought you might've minded me having an opinion about something... :uhoh:

but there is no need to get personal Digital. you dont agree with me thats fine, not a damn thing I can do about that! but I am serious about giving them a reason to bitch. The Miami Herald said that more then 42% of vehicular deaths last year where caused by drag racing. BULLSHIT. the majority of people who get killed are not racing they are simply driving fast to show off to someone in the passenger seat and loose control. its simple reckless driving. the fact that these asshole media folk spin it to sell newspapers and then in turn screw people like me over, thats what pisses me off.

One of the few good things about your country is the fact that you have the opportunity to collect your own facts and data and then use them to dispute those claims. When you question the Miami Herald about their source for their 42% claim, I'll bet they've actually done their homework to present a valid case based on facts; unlike you, using only your opinion to state your case. The problem with opinions is that they are just that. At one time, the opinion that the earth was flat was accepted as fact, and anyone who disagreed got knife-kicked in the windpipe. Or burned as a heretic. I guess it depended on who was dishing out the punishment for people who disagreed with them. Not everyone can knife-kick in the windpipe, so for them perhaps burning was much easier.

Remember Columbine? these kids get sick and tired of being pushed around and being labeled by the popular kids in school so what do they do? they blast them in the face. all of a sudden the media spins it. they dont blame stuck up rich kids picking on kids with different interests, no they blame it on marylin manson and Doom and rocker wear.....and people buy into this shit!

Yeah, violence really worked out for them, didn't it? As you can see, it only served to galvanize the community further against them rather than to help them with their cause, and to this day, the popular kids are still pushing around the kids with "Different interests." A few people have died; other than that, nothing's changed.

all of a sudden there is this genra profiling going on in schools around the nation. If you wear a Metallica shirt you get expelled, if you have a Megadeath CD you get expelled, if you have a wallet with a skull and crossbones and a chain clipped to the belt you get expelled. its stupid.

People used to get profiled for being black. Violence galvanized whole communities against the cause of the black people. How did change in attitude actually happen? With people like Malcom X, who didn't have to lay a hand (or foot) on a single person to get the message across. A man such as that can bring about a lot more change with words than a man such as yourself can with knife kicks and threats. Or some kids shooting up their school.

I had my fun giving them reason to bitch back then too but thats a whole nother story.

bottom line. I hate the new law, it will affect me as a Floridian and I do plan to do bad bad things about it.

Which will accomplish absolutely nothing except to bring hardship unto yourself. Entertaining to a certain extent, perhaps, but rather pointless as well. I'll be watching Cops in anticipation... :naughty:

what I cant figure out Digital is why you get personal with me. you have nothing to do with this law and you have no reason to pass any kind of judgement on me! your still a noob, you havent earned any kind of credit or respect around here (not that I have either) so far all you have contributed is pure garbage and your post on how you almost got that kid in the tC killed just cause he has a nicer car then you goes completely against your views mentioned on this thread in regards to street racing.

You still think I'm here to try to earn credit or respect? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I get plenty enough credit and respect in real life; I really don't need to earn it on an internet forum frequented by street racers who think it's cool to be a drug dealer and knife kick people in the windpipe. If the reason you are here is for earning credit and respect from kids racing their mommy's cars, that's fine; just don't assume that's why I'm here. It's nothing personal...I'm just here for the entertainment people like you provide. When I turn off my computer, it's like turning off the TV. You don't really exist in my world; in fact, I doubt the character portrayed by many of the members here (including yourself) don't really actually exist outside of these forums. Which explains why the majority here don't use an actual picture of themselves for their profiles, but rather pictures of characters they wish they could be. Or pictures of their car, or a car they wished they owned, because they place more value on the kind of car they drive rather than on who they really are. Quite sad, actually. Time for more comedy!

violence should only be used as a last resort because it doesn't actually solve anything.

I'd dispute that. I had a guy owe my 30 bucks once, and he wouldn pay it up, so I beat the shit outa him, and then he gave me the 30 bucks

You should get in troube if you are caught street racing... But there is no way in hell you should lose a car that you put a shitload of money into, that you turned every bolt on, and that you respect more than you respect yourself. This law pretty much tosses out the idiots that weave in and out of hectic traffic I think.

11pm, racing on the highway when its only you and another guy with a nice ass car going over 120, and no cars in sight... You shoudl be fined and released if even pulled over at all. Why? Well, nobody here provides a place for me to race after 10pm for one. Next, the track is overrun by trailered cars that trap less than me and I am to wait around for hours for them to "Finish thier bracket race," when I paid $15 too. Finally, in that situation, the decision to race affects only four things... Each driver and his/her(<--god would that be nice.lol) car.

If this is the case, then I want every SUV driving soccer mom to lose her car when she runs a red-light causing an accident. Better yet, every time she does something to potentially cause a severe accident, I want her license suspended and her car taken away. Oooo, all the sudden thats not fair....

Another point of view is, if you built it, chances are you can control it. I tend to think that a machine's creator is also its best operator. Noted that it isn't proven science, but I would bet that someone who put an entinre car together or at least installed every aftermarket part woudl fair much better driving the car(advanced techniques) than someone who "had the parts installed,".

I'd dispute that. I had a guy owe my 30 bucks once, and he wouldn pay it up, so I beat the shit outa him, and then he gave me the 30 bucks

I agree. If you think about it, ancient Rome was prolly more peaceful than most of the world now because anyone who did somethign dumb back then had their ass kicked or was killed.

Iunno lets see what kirby has to say about this t(^_-)^

"That just gave me more of a reason to the saying "I GOT NOTHING TO LOOSE AND DIE FOR" now ima do sprint races across twon and the cops will come and i will freak out and run people over on the sidewalks, and hit trashcans over and run more people over and tricker treaters because i dont wanna loose my car !!! also run red lights and crash into a pole and blow up like that drunk kid did wwwwwwweeeeeee <(^_^>)"

OMG KIRBYS RACING HARDCORE YOU SEE THAT GUYS

No for real street racing makes up 0.08% of road deaths and 0.10% of injuries nation wide and less this year i think since i have not read much about someone dieing besides a lady getting run over in a 700+ person drag race t hing in san deagio but thats common there they really need to organize there shit!! I SAY WE BAN ALCHOHOL AGAIN!!! MORE POWER TO THE MOB

I'd dispute that. I had a guy owe my 30 bucks once, and he wouldn pay it up, so I beat the shit outa him, and then he gave me the 30 bucks

Then he could take you to small claims court after having you charged with assault and battery, sue you for $300 (or more), win, get a restraining order against you (or Peace Bond), and the next time you come within 300 feet of him, you'll end up in a pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Your cell mate Bubba will sure be glad to have some fresh meat! :evillol:

Then he could take you to small claims court after having you charged with assault and battery, sue you for $300 (or more), win, get a restraining order against you (or Peace Bond), and the next time you come within 300 feet of him, you'll end up in a pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Your cell mate Bubba will sure be glad to have some fresh meat! :evillol:
In the real world that does not happen. I am willing to bet that the guy was a worthless piece of dog snot. If they owe you money they should pay up. Only if you mess with a decent human being will the person be willing to press charges, and prison? I really doubt that.

Holy crap!! did anyone see how many deaths were caused by street racing. Thank god they finally found a fitting way to take care of that tom foolery. :disappoin Government doesn't have any priorites as far as I'm concerned. doushebags.

I'd like to see how many asshole cops are going to pin people for being over-zealous at the stop light?

why on gods green earth do you have a picture of my ex wife in your sig.........you have some explaining to do........grrrrr

Well, "I hate arguement online" because it's actually pretty pointless. So I have fun instead.



Odd; for all that pride, sponsorships, competitions and victories you have won, the only thing in your profile about it is "Martial arts" listed as an interest. My son's 6 year old friend has an "interest" in Martial arts and has more to say about it than you do. The people I know who compete competitively usually have some sort of a web site with some pictures of themselves in action, and the ones who really know their shit also know that violence should only be used as a last resort because it doesn't actually solve anything.



I just don't know what I would've done if I had thought you might've minded me having an opinion about something... :uhoh:



One of the few good things about your country is the fact that you have the opportunity to collect your own facts and data and then use them to dispute those claims. When you question the Miami Herald about their source for their 42% claim, I'll bet they've actually done their homework to present a valid case based on facts; unlike you, using only your opinion to state your case. The problem with opinions is that they are just that. At one time, the opinion that the earth was flat was accepted as fact, and anyone who disagreed got knife-kicked in the windpipe. Or burned as a heretic. I guess it depended on who was dishing out the punishment for people who disagreed with them. Not everyone can knife-kick in the windpipe, so for them perhaps burning was much easier.



Yeah, violence really worked out for them, didn't it? As you can see, it only served to galvanize the community further against them rather than to help them with their cause, and to this day, the popular kids are still pushing around the kids with "Different interests." A few people have died; other than that, nothing's changed.



People used to get profiled for being black. Violence galvanized whole communities against the cause of the black people. How did change in attitude actually happen? With people like Malcom X, who didn't have to lay a hand (or foot) on a single person to get the message across. A man such as that can bring about a lot more change with words than a man such as yourself can with knife kicks and threats. Or some kids shooting up their school.



Which will accomplish absolutely nothing except to bring hardship unto yourself. Entertaining to a certain extent, perhaps, but rather pointless as well. I'll be watching Cops in anticipation... :naughty:



You still think I'm here to try to earn credit or respect? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I get plenty enough credit and respect in real life; I really don't need to earn it on an internet forum frequented by street racers who think it's cool to be a drug dealer and knife kick people in the windpipe. If the reason you are here is for earning credit and respect from kids racing their mommy's cars, that's fine; just don't assume that's why I'm here. It's nothing personal...I'm just here for the entertainment people like you provide. When I turn off my computer, it's like turning off the TV. You don't really exist in my world; in fact, I doubt the character portrayed by many of the members here (including yourself) don't really actually exist outside of these forums. Which explains why the majority here don't use an actual picture of themselves for their profiles, but rather pictures of characters they wish they could be. Or pictures of their car, or a car they wished they owned, because they place more value on the kind of car they drive rather than on who they really are. Quite sad, actually. Time for more comedy!



hey there buddy why dont you just........... stfu.......you type too much...damn.....go spend some time with your kids or something...thank god your banned...jezzs

now i see finally why he was banned, crazy man with kids is gonna go crazy with the shit he was smokin....

because they place more value on the kind of car they drive rather than on who they really are.

Uhh... We are on a car forum... Just thought that one was exceptionally funny.lol Wonder what he would say if he saw my mods list.lol or even worse, price.

Uhh... We are on a car forum... Just thought that one was exceptionally funny.lol Wonder what he would say if he saw my mods list.lol or even worse, price.

he would probably say......holy toledo....your so retarded....with all that money you spent on ricing out that nissan you could have bought a GRAND AM GT........hahahahahah :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :eek: :eek:

I rest my case; all of your responses support it quite well. Thanks, all! :iceslolan

hey welcome back old man...

hahaha this was funny to read.
You'd have to admit, DQ did say some comedic things but the fact that the insults were directed with musashi isn't really cool.

As for the other things DQuirk said... Would you like me to make my avatar a picture of myself and my signature a picture of my car?

This forum is entertaining to you just as watching the television is right?

Well then you could probably understand that there are certain channels on your television set designated for certain types of programs.
Lets elaborate
Animal Planet - A channel dedicated to.... animals!
CNN - A channel especially for national and worldwide news coverage
Spanish channel - self explanatory
I mean, the list goes on.
Did you know that they even have a channel dedicated to a variety of automotive subjects?

Consider this forum one of those channels, and consider this section one of those shows on that channel. A show dedicated to street racing right?

Alright! Great! We've just taken our first step. Next, we're going to find that we react to the show in one of two ways. Positive or negative. If its positive then I guess you keep watching that channel right? If its negative then why don't you just change the channel? (don't post here)
Like said before, why are you bothering making the point that from reading these forums you've only been able to tell we value our cars very much? I just kind of have to chuckle at that. You don't see many posts about what we do outside of cars here just like you won't find a soap opera on the automotive channel you receive.


Your posts seem to be filled more with the persona of a middle aged man seeking revenge on more recent generations due to some sort of unspoken issue you have yet to trouble us with.
Regardless, it is always an entertaining thing to see an older man trying to interact with younger people who just reverts to witty remarks upon realizing he doesn't mesh well, then gets backed into feeling witty insults are his only shot at fitting in. At least you'll have your wit to speed you up everyday, because the speed obviously won't be coming from your car. :tongue:

Your posts seem to be filled more with the persona of a middle aged man seeking revenge on more recent generations due to some sort of unspoken issue you have yet to trouble us with.

"I'd take pleasure in guttin' you boy. I'd take pleasure in guttin' you... boy. What is wrong with these people, huh? Mason? Don't you think there's a lot of, uh, a lot of anger flowing around this island? Kind of a pubescent volatility? Don't you think? A lotta angst, a lot of 'I'm sixteen, I'm angry at my father' syndrome? I mean *grow up*! We're stuck on an island with a bunch of violence-for-pleasure-seeking psycophatic marines, SHAME ON THEM!"-Nick Cage

where is dairy queen anyways I miss him hes fun....