OK im getting a 93 civic 2d tommorow, white, it comes wit Tein S Tech lowering springs seated on KYB GR-2 struts. Polished aluminum short ram intake, New Koyo aluminum radiator. I would like to know what cheap mods could i do to the car, any thing else to the suspension? what would be the best rim size on this car, any thing that might look better and make it faster?

All of you people that allready been through customizing a 93 civic and know what will help and what will just be a waste of money, please help:)

thank you in advance

Aftermarket rear sway bar would help. I've read good things about the A-Spec Racing subframe brace, this will allow you to put a sway bar on a car that didn't come with one stock. There's also Beaks that makes them, but I've read many times about subframe tear out on other cars ('96+ Civics) from that kit. Maybe something like an Energy Suspension full bushing kit, that will stiffen the car up a bit.


If you're looking for performance as well as looks for rims, then don't get anything bigger than 16's and try to get light weight ones. But none will actually make you faster, if they're light enough they might free up a little power; but won't add power. Though the lighter ones are still usually heavier than the stock ones.

Other than that, it all depends on how much power you're looking for and how much you're looking to spend. If you're only looking for just a little more power, then basic bolt-ons (intake, header, exhaust) will work. But if you want quite a bit more power (like 20+hp), then consider a swap and/or turbo kit. But in that case, the header and exhaust probably won't work well with the new engine/turbo setup.

thank you,

I am looking to spend about 3000$ on the car, what would be the best i could spend them on?
i was thinking about doing a b16 swap, but i donno...
maybe i will just repaint the car, add an entire exhaust system, get some rims, probably some other breaks. and i donno what else.......


anything else yall are thinking about?

A B16 is very nice to have so you can consider that with basic bolt-ons and you should be happy. But if you're more into just having a daily driver you can get a B18b and have more torque with longer gearing to save gas.

if its an ex dont waste ur time on a swap turbo it, then work on suspension. with 3k u can make this thing fast. if its another model like dx then mayb consider a swap

what engine comes in it ....a d16?

D16Z6 if it's an EX/Si... Good strong motor for boost. Also it's decent for All Motor applications as well. I've seen them duck deep into the 13 Second passes All Motor.

Here's a picture of Civic HX Wheels... Pretty nice looking wheels in my opinion. I was test fitting them one, after we got the LS Front Brakes installed... I could barely fit a piece of paper in between the caliper and the wheel... Time for some more grinding I suppose :lol:

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8867/hxwheelson9ms.jpg

-Wes

Yea a EX is still strong and has potential but a dohc will always be better if you want one.

Here's a picture of Civic HX Wheels... Pretty nice looking wheels in my opinion. I was test fitting them one, after we got the LS Front Brakes installed... I could barely fit a piece of paper in between the caliper and the wheel... Time for some more grinding I suppose :lol:


or sell them to me. lol.

I have two sets... Want a set?

-Wes

D16Z6 if it's an EX/Si... Good strong motor for boost. Also it's decent for All Motor applications as well. :disappoin
Do you honeslty think that a sohc displacling 1.6L with weak rods is a good building up motor?

its not strong, its not good its a motor made to last and get good mileage just like all the other D motors.

Sure there are like 1 or 2 that everyone talks about that make ok power but thats a tired argument becaues i'm betting someone out there made a camry way faster then it with stock motor some people like to be differnt and unlike the "D seriZ fo liF" fans they know that they will be off worse then somone building a 350 persay.

You want to talk about all motor? hahahahahah all motor D makes me laugh the record for highest HP on a street D is like 185 or somthing it cost more took more time and has a worse powerband then mine with worse gearing. Oh yea once i strap on the dnyo i'll be betting my block i'll make more then that on STOCK cams!!

The only way to make a D go semi fast is boost and then the rods are so weak they can only hold 8 or less psi with out snapping like the toothpicks they are. I've taken out a turbo D or 2 even and then get the well mine cost less comeback I just say too bad i'm not poor and pee in there mouth tends to end that debate fast :iceslolan

Wow ace you dare question a moderator? lol...well there are many people who have a fast civic with a EX motor. Turbo sohc maybe not as good as a turbo dohc but that doesnt make it weak.

Sure, why not Ace? One of my buddies has ran his Mini-Me 1993 DX with ITB's, and a 35shot into the 12's. He did it to see if he could.

Sure, better set-ups can be built, but that's not what we're discussing here. Like I said "DECENT" All Motor engine. I didn't say "OMFG DSERIES ARE THE SHIZZNIT YO!!!!11!one!!" now did I?

It looks like you're always just trying to pick a fight man. It get's really annoying.

-Wes

Sure, why not Ace? One of my buddies has ran his Mini-Me 1993 DX with ITB's, and a 35shot into the 12's. He did it to see if he could.

Sure, better set-ups can be built, but that's not what we're discussing here. Like I said "DECENT" All Motor engine. I didn't say "OMFG DSERIES ARE THE SHIZZNIT YO!!!!11!one!!" now did I?

It looks like you're always just trying to pick a fight man. It get's really annoying.

-Wes
I never said you did you put out some B/S I called you on it. Don't put words in my mouth to cover when you are in the wrong. If you would care for me to expand on what I said I made a genralztion on most D series fans.

You then have to cry "omg ace is mean to me and other people". I don't cater to the stupid or B/Sers. All should know this and also know I am a great amount of help and a nice guy if you are a straight shooter or a hair over mongloid I.Q.

Fact is this: I know more then you I called you on it. Nothing more nothing less you want me to start a fight I can do that too.

Get your panties out of a twist if i'm annoying go away its that simple.

mod or not sod off you don't know enough to hang around and act like one of the guys so earn your respect before you start swinging your E cock.

I pmed one of the real honda mods *unlike you who just hangs here pretending to be one* about your actions.

See i'm still being civil want me to get mean or you ready to hit that log off button yet?

I never said you did you put out some B/S I called you on it. Don't put words in my mouth to cover when you are in the wrong. If you would care for me to expand on what I said I made a genralztion on most D series fans.

What BS? That a D16Z6 can be a decent All Motor application? I am not in the wrong, and I didn't put anything in your mouth.

You then have to cry "omg ace is mean to me and other people". I don't cater to the stupid or B/Sers. All should know this and also know I am a great amount of help and a nice guy if you are a straight shooter or a hair over mongloid I.Q.

I didn't cry anything. I said that it seemed like you were picking a fight over nothing. I think I'm a straight shooter, and I definately think I have a high enough I.Q to be typing composed, and valid posts.

Fact is this: I know more then you I called you on it. Nothing more nothing less you want me to start a fight I can do that too.

I wouldn't doubt that you know more than me. I'm new to this Honda thing. Once again, we're back to my point, that a Z6 can be a decent All Motor application.

Get your panties out of a twist if i'm annoying go away its that simple.

No

mod or not sod off you don't know enough to hang around and act like one of the guys so earn your respect before you start swinging your E cock.

Earn my respect? Mind you, it's the Internet buddy. I don't seek satisfaction from people I don't know (Not saying you do). And when did I swing my E Cock? When I said "It gets annoying"?

I pmed one of the real honda mods *unlike you who just hangs here pretending to be one* about your actions.

What actions? I'd love to hear.

Edit: By the way, I don't Moderate this section. Past Z Cars, Skyline, Koenigsegg are under my eyes.

See i'm still being civil want me to get mean or you ready to hit that log off button yet?

... Oh God man :rolleyes:

-Wes

mod or not sod off you don't know enough to hang around and act like one of the guys so earn your respect before you start swinging your E cock.

I pmed one of the real honda mods *unlike you who just hangs here pretending to be one* about your actions.

See i'm still being civil want me to get mean or you ready to hit that log off button yet?I am no "real honda mod" but I think any moderator for this site deserves more respect than your giving. Zed Ex has nothing to prove to you or any other member here, you could have replied with a less sarcastic undertone and telling someone they are swinging around there E cock is not civil. If you can't post a objection in a more mature manner, maybe you shouldn't have posted in this thread at all?. Just my thoughts. I will leave the final decision up to the actual mods for this section.

John

Ok ok. You guys are acting like a bunch of little kiddies crying for attention.

Yes you can run a motor without upgrading the internals. Is it smart? Probably not but that doesn't mean Zed Ex is wrong. I know plenty of people who have probably maxed out their internals to the point where the motor is probably crying.

Can it be done? Yes. You don't need a super duper $$$ motor to run ALL MOTOR.

And why is it that I get REPORTED POSTS all the time from Ace$nyper? People are allowed to disagree that's part of life. But I did not see one instant where Zed Ex was having panties all rolled up his butt. I think in the world of internet many people can jump to conclusions when reading info. One person can see it as a friendly talk and another can take it out of context.

I know a couple of autocrossers who have a D series engine making around 190hp with of course upgrade internals. This being in a car that weighs 1800lbs.

Ace$nyper and ZedEx dont fight my friends.
I have read your posts ZedEx you have many posts that helped me understand all types of honda engines and all about swaps, Ace$nyper i have found your posts very helpfull too. If you guys and people like you would not post, this site would be noting, people like me, *newbies,* really want to find out info about hondas, and even if you guys have different oppinions about certain stuff, that is no reason for yall to fight, we learn from your experience and your posts. For the time being i dont have the money to get a swap Ace$nyper so ill just add on the existing EX in my car, but for the future, next summer ill work have some more money and ill probably do a B18b or somtin...so guys take it easy your booth bad ass i wish i had as much knowledge as you guys have but im learning, so take it easy your booth cool guys


peace

and thx for the posts

What BS? That a D16Z6 can be a decent All Motor application? I am not in the wrong, and I didn't put anything in your mouth.



I didn't cry anything. I said that it seemed like you were picking a fight over nothing. I think I'm a straight shooter, and I definately think I have a high enough I.Q to be typing composed, and valid posts.



I wouldn't doubt that you know more than me. I'm new to this Honda thing. Once again, we're back to my point, that a Z6 can be a decent All Motor application.



No



Earn my respect? Mind you, it's the Internet buddy. I don't seek satisfaction from people I don't know (Not saying you do). And when did I swing my E Cock? When I said "It gets annoying"?



What actions? I'd love to hear.

Edit: By the way, I don't Moderate this section. Past Z Cars, Skyline, Koenigsegg are under my eyes.



... Oh God man :rolleyes:

-Wes
you lied deal with it and stop crying.

I am no "real honda mod" but I think any moderator for this site deserves more respect than your giving. Zed Ex has nothing to prove to you or any other member here, you could have replied with a less sarcastic undertone and telling someone they are swinging around there E cock is not civil. If you can't post a objection in a more mature manner, maybe you shouldn't have posted in this thread at all?. Just my thoughts. I will leave the final decision up to the actual mods for this section.

John
So if i want to just jump in and post what ever lies I want and pass them off with a smile and someone is to correct me they are in the wrong?

If you want to talk about what should be posted why bother posting untrue info Riddle me that.

Thats what I can get out of your post.

Ok ok. You guys are acting like a bunch of little kiddies crying for attention.

Yes you can run a motor without upgrading the internals. Is it smart? Probably not but that doesn't mean Zed Ex is wrong. I know plenty of people who have probably maxed out their internals to the point where the motor is probably crying.

Can it be done? Yes. You don't need a super duper $$$ motor to run ALL MOTOR.

And why is it that I get REPORTED POSTS all the time from Ace$nyper? People are allowed to disagree that's part of life. But I did not see one instant where Zed Ex was having panties all rolled up his butt. I think in the world of internet many people can jump to conclusions when reading info. One person can see it as a friendly talk and another can take it out of context.

I know a couple of autocrossers who have a D series engine making around 190hp with of course upgrade internals. This being in a car that weighs 1800lbs.
So you agree its stupid and shouldn't be done?

Too bad I report posts and try to clean things up :rolleyes:

What kind of sad gang fuck is this? Must you all jump in to save a mod buddy after hes made a mistake? People do with it we all do if covering up mistakes are such a big thing all of you I applud you got me good hoo boy i'm really the bad guy here Hilter got nothing on me!

You honestly think I am hurt by you all? its simple zed-ex was wrong the mods started this and threw out insults first and some how I am the immautire one??

The thread starter is right with out people like me this place is nothing or you can keep reading into bluntly untrue info see how far you get?

Delete my account for all I care it'll hurt this site alot more then it hurts me. Just don't dig me up crying either when your all slow or blown motors.

Go shake your fist in anger because yet again with out jumping to tired and desprate flames like calling me a child I said whats on my mind and was right.

I await your replys Gentleman

... My God, you still didn't get my point. :rolleyes:

-Wes

Please i'd atleast like the little respect you should have as not trying to egg me on.

You blow off my point and push yours like its some kind of scripture when it was nothing more then poorly given out info.

Honestly you were the one to act poorly first and yet again you are rude and roll your eyes.

PS
you have a sig if you want to use your name in every post.

So if i want to just jump in and post what ever lies I want and pass them off with a smile and someone is to correct me they are in the wrong?

If you want to talk about what should be posted why bother posting untrue info Riddle me that.

Thats what I can get out of your post.

That made absolutely no sense to me, I asked you to not be so sarcastic and please post in a mature manned no matter who your correcting but especially a moderator and how did we come to posting whatever lie you want?. You can correct anyone you like, some of your comments as I am sure your aware of do not have to be made. The more respect you give others, the more you recieve in return. I disagree with alot of things people have posted and have correct alot of people to what I consider incorrect info. I don't need to try and belittle them in the process.

OK, sorry but I think this thread is not going anywhere.. So I am going to lock it, if any of the local mods would like to reopen it, feel free. To the thread starter feel free to start another thread on the subject if you like.

Okay, I know this was locked...but as the "local" mod here...and a regional honda mod, I wanted to post in it to point out and clear up some things.

First off...motor choice? This depends on A LOT of things. You can't say "this motor is best." Best for what? in an 1800lbs car like a base CRX a 125 motor is more thqan quick enough for the street. In a heavier civic EX you may want more.

Also, are you limited in what you can do because of autocrossing (where a swap screws things up) and limited by the clasees it will put you in? Even with this there ARE ways around it.

Some SCCA regions are offering a "honda-cup class" and swapping WON'T effect you, swapping in B and K series motors is OKAY.

www.honda-cup.com

also check out the honda challenge if you are into that.

www.honda-challenge.com

Maybe you don't want a auto-crosser, you just want a faster street car with more kick. A DIY turbo on a D16Z6 can be done cheap and give you a nice 175whp. Be warned, don't do much more than 8psi of boost and the block should be pushed much past that 175...200whp max is about what you can safly get out of a d-series like the D16Z6. The rods are pencial thin and it's not a strong block.

Now, if a high revving powerful screamer is your game, a GSR or B16A is a great choice. The GSR has more torque, which helps. Also, the B18B1 lacks vtec but has a little more torque and a lower rpm to boost, and has the lowest c/r of the 3 b series motors mentioned...so it can take the most boost....12psi stock, about 275whp is what thats good for...on a stock block...if tuned right.

A d-series motor can make decent street power, but a b-series motor is capible of more if thats what you want.

The problems come when people tell you what to buy BEFORE you describe your goals in detail. So you have $3000 now to spend....okay...you're LONG TERM goals make a BIG difference in WHAT would be best for you. The b-series will be more durable that a d seires and is capible or more power. It also costs more to get. It's all give and take with modding. I mean, all motor, turbo? All of it...it comes down to your goals. How much turbo or all motor HP do you want in the end, what is the car used for, etc? For example, if you want to go all motor, and hit 200whp, the D series is not the recommended way to go on that one.

As for who's at fault in this thing. Sure, some regular members were at fault, but let's not point the figure, as it takes two to tango. So both ace and zed, calm down and listen up. Zed, you said it was a decent motor for all motor. I disagree for the most part, but agree to a point...it comes down to goals.

As I said, it's all about goals. The d-series is a decent all motor app for auto-crossing, where a b series swap messes up you're class placement. If you don't auto-x or auto-x in the honda cup, I wouldn't recommend that for all-motor at all. If you drag, just street cruise or show the car, the goals completly change. What was onec decent may not be decent for the different app. The b-series will give you more power for the same money as building that D series all motor you can swap in a GSR or an LS/vtec with the same or more HP, plus it's more durable since it's running at stock hp levels. Also, the motor has a far greater upside and a higher limit as to the max HP on stock internals.

Also I am a little supirsed no one else caught this and mentioned it...Zed, calm down and realize what you type. If "One of my buddies has ran his Mini-Me 1993 DX with ITB's, and a 35shot into the 12's. He did it to see if he could" then thats NOT all motor.

The 35 Shot of nitrious puts him into the forced induction catagory and NOT in All motor. That set-up is NOT an all motor set-up. You said it was a decent all motor engine, but this set-up is NOT all motor. Under track rules, it's classified as Forced indcution because of the 35 shot. This matters greatly, since without that extra 35 hp thats to the nitrious (which is classified as forced indcution, not all motor), he would not have hit 12's. That set-up, decent or not, was not an all motor set-up. It is classified ads forced induction. For the drag strip, an all motor d series won't put down screaming times. Forced indcution, whether it be turbo, supercharger or nitrious...changes it greatly. Any motor running a safe level of ntirous can be significantly cheaper. Even then, it the log run those safe at the limit shots can catch up to you. That being said, nitrious is easy on the pocketbook by compersion to the other all motor methods...a D running nitrious may be fast enough for you, but whether you tink thats a decetn set-up or not, it's NOT a decent all motor set-up. Why? It's not an all motor set-up at all. As I said, Nitrious is classified as forced induction, not all motor. That being said, that 35 shot forced induction set-up will get you farther faster in a GSR than D series...with a greater upside on the motor to boot.

Also, CivicSiRacer, while you may get reposted posts from Ace...as all us honda mods do...at least he TRIES to report something when he's thinks it's whack...versus doing it the Ricochet way. I can't believe a moderator is COMPLAING about a member reporting posts in question.

Reporting a post doens't me we HAVE to do something, it means someonefeels we need to take a look at it. If he reports and we don't argee...we just leave it alone. I have seem ones where I didn't do anything about it, sure...but he has reported some that NEEDED attention ASAP...and he was the ONLY member reporting it. Lets not rag on a member for trying to report posts in question. So maybe they report stuff we deem is okay. Big deal...we look at it and leave it be.

People are allowed to disagree that's part of life, true. Sometimes these disargeements lead to flaming and junk like that, and it's nice to have it reported...even if it was reported too earlier...why? Yoiu know to keep an eye on it then...Worst case you do nothing. I've seen moderators LAUGH at members posts making fun a mod, and NOT lock it or warn him...thats not acceptable. Why do I know this has happened? Because one of the moderators did that when I was first named and a member didn't like the way I moderated. He started a thread about, and that moderator laughed...not very moderator like.

So maybe Ace reports posts that some feel don't need attention. Al least he tries. Some don't need attention, some do. At least he reports it, then we can take a look at decide. Thats a lot better than it was in here before Maitarcer, crx_lvr, and whtteg and I were named regional or global mods. Back then members flamed, stuff started to get heated, and no members reported anything...worse yet...no moderators set-up in to quiet it. Thats why the four of us were nominated. So I have NO problem with members trying to report posts. It helps moderate. It makes sure you take a look at a questionable post or thread, helps you keep an eye on it. It helps make sure the forum doesn't return to the crap it was before, over a year ago. It was as bad or worse than the 240sx and eclpise forums back then. I'm glad this forum has cleaned up thourgh hard work, and I'm glad members cared enough to report stuff...even if it it's always something that we need to take action on. That helps ensure things don't return to the mess and anarchy it was before.

I'm glad we have members and moderators hwo care now, it's better than before...when members bite each others heads off and no mods chimed in. I know the few times stuff happened, it was because a member pm'd a mod. I should know, I had to pm a global several times because regionals and locals never did sqaut. If someone wants to report a questionable post? Fine...thats what it's there for...so a member can let moderators know that there is a thread that they feel MAY need attention or an eye kept on it. We should't be MAD they report them, thats just plain dumb. I'm glad someone cares enough about this site to posts they arn't sure of.