I haven't figured out where to begin this story yet, so we'll just start with a picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/DSC00612.jpg

That's chassis #068 that I am sitting in. It's no longer owned by Mr Selldorff.

Full story, images, and video to follow.

To sum it up though - today was a SENSATIONAL day. :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

Did you buy it?

The day has come.....

Our F1 guru finally has had his sitting (driving? I sure hope so!!) experience in the gracious F1, the object of his divine adoration.

Congratulations Peloton! :ylsuper:

You must have in :bananasmi :bananasmi mode all day and will be for a few days more ;-)

The short message allready indicates that this will give us, once again, an incredible story, with lots of details and of course, splendid pictures.

All I have to ask is: do not let us wait to long for it! :D

/Bucciali

I am JEALOUS :loser:

This is a l-o-n-g story - I will not be publishing a Cliff Notes version.

I guess the story begins about 4 months ago. I received an email from someone named Scott asking questions about various McLaren F1s. He alluded to the fact that his friend was trying to find an F1 to buy. I get similar requests for F1 info quite often, and while this one had the twist of a prospective new owner I didn't really think too much into it - I simply shared what I knew on the cars that were of interest and sent some photos his way. I think we exchaned about 6 or 7 emails back and forth and then I didn't hear from him for a while.

One of the questions he had asked was about silver cars in the New York, and in my reply I had mentioned Ralph's two F1s as well as the Dark Silver car #045 that Gary Schaevitz had purchased. I also added Herb Chambers' car, since it's from the same general area, but I neglected to mention #068. I can't recall if it was a conscious decision to leave it off the list, or if it was an oversight on my part. I certainly knew that Mr Selldorff owned the car and that it was silver, but I really didn't know where the car was kept, and if it was still in England which seemed possible, then it wouldn't really qualify to make the list.

Fast forward to last week and I received another email out of the blue from Scott, this time asking if I would be in Monterey, CA for the Pebble Beach weekend. I have always wanted to go up there for it, but have never really planned to attend far enough in advance and the same was true this year. I told him that I wasn't going to be there, expecting that he was just hoping to meet up with me and talk more about the cars.

His response honestly floored me. He told me that he and his friend would be there in F1 #068 and that if I made it up there he would take me for a ride in the car. :22yikes:

I changed my tune on the reply that followed - I wasn't planning to miss the opportunity to see an F1, much less possibly get a ride in one. :grinno: Of course I was still reeling from the shock of that offer. :eek: I told him I would be honored just to sit in the car, but that a ride would be awesome! I mentioned that if his friend wasn't named Frank Selldorff, that it must mean that Frank had sold the car, which he confirmed in his reply. He added that the car had just completed a full service at the Mount Laurel, NJ McLaren service facility and was hopefully scheduled to be on a transporter from there to Monterey for the big weekend.

The car has actually been stored there at the New Jersey Port for about 2 years now during the time that Frank owned it, but it was brought up to EPA standards and has received it's Show & Display exemption status already. He also sent me a photo of the car he asked me not to share, maybe to prove he wasn't pulling my leg. At this point I think I was giddy with anticipation. :lol:

Now I knew that when Frank had purchased this car it had only the delivery mileage on the car - somewhere under 200 miles that I recall - and Scott confirmed that the mileage was still somewhere near 170. He also said that some of the original plastic covering the interior pieces was still on the car from when it had been delivered new from the factory. :eek: This car is about as new as it gets at this point running neck and neck with #065 that sat in the F1 showroom for 7 long years. He also informed me it had made it on the transporter and was headed in my direction so I locked in my plans to get up there.

I got regular updates from him for the next few days and things were finally coming together. They didn't have plans to officially display the car at any of the shows, but would use it in and around the Monterey events. I know it was at the Concorso on Friday and may have been at Pebble Beach as well. It spent some time at Pebble Beach Saturday morning, and then they spent the middle of the afternoon at Laguna Seca for the Monterey Historic Races where we had planned to meet. Afterwards they took it to the RM Auctions and I know some people got photos of it at all those locations. There will be no shortage of photos of #068 after this weekend, that's for sure.

Initially the plan was to meet up with Scott, the F1, and it's new owner at Laguna Seca in the early morning, so I got there at about 8AM. They were running late, and ultimately ended up heading to the Pebble Beach Concours instead, leaving me to take in all the sights of the Historics. I don't know all the old cars, but I know enough to get by and there was plenty to look at. I took over 250 photos in and around the paddock and at various displays. I found Jay Leno in the pit area and thanked him for making the ArtCenter event last month so special for me. I also mentioned that I really would like to see his Light Car Company Rocket and I think that will happen soon. I also found an F1 GTR T-Shirt that I have never seen before in the vendor area and bought that- it's quite awesome and I'll put pics up later.

It was about 11AM at this point and I was taking shots of a dark grey Ferrari Enzo in one of the paddock spots when I heard a young kid about 10 feet away say "Well the McLaren was blue." I headed over to him and said "Did you say that you saw a blue McLaren?" knowing that he was most certainly referring to XP4, and he said yeah. I asked him where it was thinking that he had probably seen it last weekend at Crystal Cove, or maybe the day before at the Concorso Italiano. Instead he tells me that it is here at Laguna Seca in a BMW parking section across the track. He said it was really far away, and I assured him that I would walk pretty darn far to see a McLaren F1 so it was no problem. :iceslolan

After being so bummed to have missed the car last weekend, it was really spectacular to find it there in Monterey. I know Mr Blair is local to that area and that the probability is high that he would be at an event like that, but I was surprised to hear he would leave it in a BMW parking area. It turned out to be inside of a special section that was fenced off and only open to BMW and Porsche Car Club Members. It took a minute of convincing at the gate since I am not a member of either club, but I got in and was able to get up close to XP4 and take some great photos. I also spent about 45 mins answering various people's questions on the car - the guy who had let me in the gate even came over and said "Well I guess I let the right guy in, didn't I?" ;) By the way, can this day get any better? ...of course it can. :naughty:

Around 1pm Scott called to tell me they were headed from their hotel to the track and would be there soon. He was apologizing for the change of schedule, but honestly I had a wonderful morning, I got to see an unexpected F1 (one of my favorites), I met Jay Leno and arranged to see the Rocket at some point, I found a very cool F1 GTR shirt, and to top it all off, I saw a ton of amazing cars in the paddock and parking area. I was so glad to be there regardless of the delay with #068. It's not like I could ever complain when they were being so generous.

About 40 minutes later I met up with Scott and the owner of the car who's name is Richard in the paddock. I never asked for his last name so I don't know what it is yet. I figured that they wouldn't let a car like the F1 out of their sight, but Scott informed me they had parked it up on the hill and he got the keys from Richard so that he and I could go and have a look at it. The car had a small swarm of people around it when we got there, one of which was a police officer so he and I hung back a bit to see what might be happening. The officer was there like everyone else it seemed - just wanting to look at the car. We moved in and shocked the whole group when the doors were opened. Scott told them he had found the keys somewhere... :lol:

I looked the car over for a while and it really is beautiful, inside and out. The one strange thing you will notice from the photos is that it has an odd wheel nut on it at all four corners. They have a loop that sticks out from them which is used to fasten the car down for transport. Unfortunately the car's full rolling tool kit wasn't sent to Monterey with the car, so they weren't able to remove these and put the normal ones on yet. They tried using the wheel nut wrench included with the car under the left side luggage compartment, but they are simply on too tight and the tool doesn't give enough leverage.

Scott offered for me to sit in the car which is where that photo at the start of the thread came from. The driver's seat fits like a glove - there is no other word. You really can't get a feel for just how compact the F1 is until you get in the car. It's by no means cramped, but there is just enough space and you feel like the car and all the controls are just an extension of you. The pedal box is a little tight - I had on a pair of Skechers tennis shoes and they were just a bit too wide for getting around the clutch and onto the dead pedal. The other pedals were fine. I didn't have to worry either way though, as I wasn't going to be driving... :grinno: Scott and I left the car and went back to meet up with Richard and his friends in the paddock.

It was at this point that Scott said he would be willing to take my car back to their hotel so that I could ride in the F1 from the track to the hotel before they headed off to the auction in the late afternoon. I felt bad because I drive a car with about a 3rd the amount of power that Scott is used to, but he actually said later that he enjoyed my car. You'll see it in some of the last few pictures.

I walked Scott up to my car and then headed across the paddock again to meet Richard where I thought he would be. We had told him about XP4 being there and he was supposedly going to look at it when we left him. By the time I called him to see where he was at I was almost to XP4, but he was still in the paddock watching one of the races with friends so I told him I would meet up with him when he was done. I decided that I would go stand gaurd at #068 and answer any questions that people had about the car like I had done earlier with XP4.

About 10 minutes after I got there some Raceway staff showed up on a golf cart and were asking if anyone knew the owner of the car. They were saying it was parked illegally in a handicap zone. If it really was a handicap spot, it was the most poorly marked one I have ever seen They weren't kidding though and told me I had better call the owner to move it because they were going to call to have it towed and whoever got their first would get the car. (No, I am not kiddding - maybe he was, but it didn't seem like it.)

I called Richard and he came running (almost) to move the car. It was at this point that I got my first ride in the right passenger seat on our way into the paddock. There were three check points along the way from where it was parked to where we needed to go. Normal cars would have been stopped at each one to be sure they had proper access, but in a McLaren they just waive you on through. :D

When we got to the paddock Richard invited me up onto the observation deck of a friends semi-truck transporter to watch the finish of the Historic race that was running. They had a perfect spot against the fence in turn four I believe and the birds eye view was wonderful. Down below another swarm was engulfing the McLaren F1. In a crowd like that, the car gets no shortage of attention as I am sure you can all imagine. We were up there for about 10 more minutes and then needed to leave so they would make it to the auctions on time.

This is where the story gets kind of comical. Richard was giving me and his friend Barry a ride back to the hotel in the F1, but one of the ladies they were with had a bad ankle and wasn't going to be able to walk back to the rest of their cars in the parking lot. To solve this problem, Barry got into the right passenger seat and she somehow managed to sit on his lap and they even got the door to close. Richard climbed into the driver's seat and I took the left side passenger seat, possibly making for the first 4-passenger McLaren F1 ride ever. We were only going a few hundred yards, but it was still very funny.

After we dropped her off we left the track and headed into Monterey. The drive was probably less than 10 miles, and there was a noticeable amount of traffic, but it doesn't take a very large section of road for the F1 to be able to stretch it's legs a bit before being hauled back in by the Brembos. I took some videos of the rides with my digital camera, and except for my voice chatting with Barry and Richard along the way, they turned out really well. I say "ummm" way to much, but I think that my brain was having trouble comprehending the whole experience at the time. :lol: I'll have the videos hosted later for you all to see - they capture the experience really well, except for the sensation of speed. It was difficult to hold the camera steady, so you might get sick watching them if you get too close to the screen.

The ride was as Tiff Needel said - "sensational!" - the car is exactly what I was expecting. It is very docile when you aren't trying to extract all-out perofrmance from it just like the stories tell. The engine does indeed pull in 6th gear from very low RPMs. It also spins the tires profusely in 1st gear. The three seats are comfortable and hold you in place quite well - the side seats kind of coddle you. The view from the passenger seats is slightly less amazing than what the driver has, but you still have a great view of everything on the horizon. The view out the back as a passenger is fairly impossible. Incidentally, as you will see from one of my photos, the car had just over 400 miles on it when I got my ride to the hotel - barely broken in yet! :eek:

When we got to the hotel I spent some time outside going over the car again. He was showing his friend the owners manual and service manual among other things. He opened the front comparment and showed me the on-board tool kit. Those spanners are incredibly lightweight - you wouldn't believe it - they feel like they would snap in two if you tried to use them.

Now I know after reading a story like that you all want pics and the videos, but I haven't gotten them online yet. As soon as I do tomorrow, they will be posted here. If you have any questions already after absorbing all of that, let me know.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to publicly thank both Scott and Richard for extending an extreme amount of generosity to me today and ensuring that I had an amazing experience with the F1 at their expense effectively. Scott was only at the Historics for about an hour or so and spent most of that time walking around and talking with me. I'm sure in a place like that with his automotive interests he could have found other things to do. Instead, he made me the priority and that was certainly beyond what I would have ever expected. Richard was a wonderful person too with and it was a pleasure to meet both of them - not just because they had an F1 either. They were both genuinely good people who conspired to give me the experience of a lifetime - one I will never forget. Thank you gentlemen - I was truly honored! :smile:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/DSC00638.jpg

>8^)
ER

W-O-W!

I am stunned, what an excellent story!

After your first post I was thinking you had probably found the owner of the car, at the show and somehow convinced him of letting you sit in it or something. But the real story is even better. A genuine owner shares his passion with another fan, the way it should!

A great story, very nice to read too, you put it down very nicely.

And what a luck getting to see XP4.

Next year I really need to go to Pebble Beach, I'm putting it on the top of my list now :D

Peloton, thanks for sharing this experience and as said in a reply somewhere, I'm glad for you!! (and yes, understandably, jealous, a lot ;)

By the way, you didn't waste any time writing down the story either.

Congratulations Peloton, great story and write-up. Nice early 30th birthday present. :biggrin: Good to hear that you have been rewarded for your fanaticism and that you were also able to share your knowledge.

Congrats dude. It sounds like that day can only be topped by buying an F1;)
I'm looking forward to the mountain of pics!

Congrats Erik. Pic:

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=gal&uID=119513&gID=2&pgID=8&pID=152

Hey Erik, how bad does your face hurt from all of the grinning :grinyes: . I am very happy that one of your dreams came true. The experience must have been out of this world. Thanks for sharing your experience and if anyone deserved the ride it was you. You and a couple of other people on this forum deserve a bunch of pats on the back and I'm happy to see you got a big one. :grinno:

Thanks

Holy smokes. :headshake I don't believe it. You got LUCKY!!! Man! Your jaw must have been on the floor the whole time. You've just seen Leno's F1 and now #068 just a matter of weeks apart. That's luck.

I wonder why Frank is getting rid of his F1s? The LM was certainly something only a handful of people will ever own. It seems like right when he got rid of the LM, and now #068, is when he stopped posting on the forums. Perhaps he didn't want to hear our reactions to his decisions? :confused:

Erik, that's just awesome. I'm so glad for you.

My server is ready for the vids if that's what you need. I took down the gallery a while ago but it's still the same server - plenty of pipe :)

Wow, that's incredible! Congratulations Erik!

I'd test this insane streak of luck and go buy a lottery ticket. :naughty: Who knows, you might end up with your own F1.

I am happy for you Erik!!!! No one else deserves to ride in an F1 more than you!!!!

Awesome! Funny thing is I actually dreamt about driving a McLaren last night. You must have been giving off some serious vibes! :rofl:

What a birthday present. Happy belated!

Regards

Nice Erik, you deserve it!

Couldn't happen to a more deserving person. Well done. I am reading it again and again--simply awesome!

I can't believe you saw a bonus 2nd McLaren as well. That's great!

F1 monster took the words out of my mouth: it couldn't have happened to a better person.

I could practically feel the elation emanating out of the text of your story, congratulations! - and may there be more such experiences for you in future.

Wow everyone - thanks for the comments. :cool: Its hard for me to say or even think that I "deserved" the experience. :redface: I'm just here doing what I love and I'm always happy to share what we have learned with those who are interested. I'm mainly motivated by the amount of misinformation that has circulated on the F1 in the past, but really the desire to educate people who are interested in knowing more is what really drives me. I had so much fun yesterday standing around the two F1s answering people's questions and making sure they all left knowing more about the car than before they arrived. Still, to be rewarded in this way for being passionate about something would be a rare treat for anyone, regardless of their subject of interest, and for that I am incredibly thankful.

I'm also glad to be able to share the experience with a group of people I know would appreciate it. This sounds rather cliche, but I really don't think it would have been possible without the rest of you. Seriously, this would be a pretty boring forum if it were just me here talking to myself. :uhoh: :lol: I may be the Moderator here, and there aren't many threads I don't add my .02¢ to, but everyone who contributes something to this place is overdue for a giant "THANK YOU!" for those efforts. I love coming here everyday to learn and to share what we have learned.

I'm sure many of you are just as 'deserving' as me to have an experience like this - you all share the same passion and desires when it comes to the F1. I honestly wished that every one of you could have been there with me yesterday, especially those who've never had the chance to see an F1. You'll hear Richard in one of the in-car videos say to his friend "Look, there's another F1 over there" referring to XP4 - I'm sure that doesn't happen very often for an F1 owner. :wink:

So you're all probably foaming at the mouth for my pictures. Before someone posts the "This thread is worthless without pics" smiley, I figured I had better get to sharing them. I've uploaded them all to Imagestation since that is easiest for me. Unfortunately Imagestation blocks remote hosting here, so I can't embed the photos from there. If you want to ask about one, or want a larger version, just give me the image number. I have them all uploaded at 1024x768, but I have larger copies on my HD.

Without further ado...

McLarens in Monterey (http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2121986912) <-- 135 images :bigthumb:

05 Monterey Historic Races (http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2121974774) <-- 260 images - No F1 content, but still lots of good stuff.

Enjoy the photos... I'm still working with the videos and will try to have them online tonight. Flinger - thanks for the offer to host - I may be able to get by without it, but I will let you know.

>8^)
ER

Wow, i am very happy to know the person who can describe very well real feeling of this sensational amazing car, Mclaren F1 more than anyone. As you know, we just heard the story of Mclaren F1 from time to time from just unregular owner in this forum or other site. Although you might have not experienced Mclaren F1 at very high speed, we can keep up with the what you wanted to feel. Because, we are enthusiast to share same one and Mclaren F1 is not the one to get thristy of top speed as the fact that common people realize unconsciously.

Congrats Peleton! if anyone deserve to sit in it and enjoy it its you mate!

good stuff!

Can't wait to watch some video ! man ,with the source that you have . enough to create yours own website........

Peleton, you mention that the gentalman highly regarded your car against the mclaren, mind i ask what car you drive? must be a pretty damn good all rounder!

Peleton, you mention that the gentalman highly regarded your car against the mclaren, mind i ask what car you drive? must be a pretty damn good all rounder!

I'm guessing it's the metallic Ford Focus parked besides the Mac. Couldn't see the type though, but I'm guessing it's not an RS... :D

i suspicion too hahaha, focus are great little rockets

Pelo, the link wasn't working for me. I shall try later!!

Peleton, you mention that the gentalman highly regarded your car against the mclaren, mind i ask what car you drive? must be a pretty damn good all rounder!

No, no, no... :uhoh: I said that Scott told me "he enjoyed my car." which is quite a bit different than saying it could even be compared to the F1. :grinno:

Yes, that is my Focus - it's an '03 with the 2.3L Duratec engine. Cosworth Racing makes a 3 stage upgrade package they call d-Power (http://www.cosworth.com/content.php?pageid=3) for it using parts they developed for the Caterham CSR 200 & 260 which uses the same engine. My car has the Stage 1 kit at the moment which added ~27hp at the flywheel. I also have their Race Exhaust and flex pipe which probably add a bit more power. Those familiar with the US-spec Focus will recognize that my car looks similar to the SVT version because I have added the front and rear bumpers and the small spoiler on the hatch. The front grill is from the Euro-ST170 which is similar to our SVT Focus. I also installed a set of Recaro seats in the interior. I've done lots of other stuff to it as well, and could tell you more about my future plans, but I'm not sure this is the place to cover all of that. It's a fun car to drive - I love it.

buccali - The US market was never blessed with the Focus RS unfortunatley. :(

>8^)
ER

link works for me now!

Congrats! Very cool and deserving!

I wonder why Frank is getting rid of his F1s? The LM was certainly something only a handful of people will ever own. It seems like right when he got rid of the LM, and now #068, is when he stopped posting on the forums. Perhaps he didn't want to hear our reactions to his decisions? :confused:

I have gotten similar questions in a few PMs now, and while I don't really want to speak for Mr Selldorff, I figured it was best that I address it for everyone with what I know.

Frank isn't in any financial trouble that I'm aware of. I was told that he's just refocusing his interests to something other than McLarens. He still has #007 which he uses more than most other owners use their cars, so I'm sure his passion for the F1 has not diminished.

Jay Leno can be quoted as saying "I believe we don't really own these cars. We just keep them for the next owners." Frank kept two of the cars as long as he needed to, and they have now moved on to two very wonderful owners who both share the passion of the F1 and I'm sure will appreciate them just as much. :cool:

>8^)
ER

WELLLLLLNNNNNOOOOOWWWWWW! Congrats Peloton! Realllly Jealous now! Did you see tvrfreak? He was there also. He is gonna love this!
WG

All I can say is that is AWESOME!!! :bigthumb:
To get to see XP4 and get a ride in #068, not to mention a few weeks ago you met and spent time with Gordon Murray. Congratulations man on all the great happenings. Who knows, maybe the next time something incredible happens to you, it will invlove you becoming a McLaren F1 owner :p

P.S. Thanks for the plentiful and awesome photos. I'm looking forward to the videos.

I was told that he's just refocusing his interests to something other than McLarens.

they just released the Bugatti Veyron after Mr Seldoff sold his F1s, may be he is getting one of those.

We know that he thinks the Enzo is ugly, so an FXX is proboblly out of the question. :P

Im so glad you finally got to experience an F1. Im even more glad you werent dis-appointed! I think you're prooved that its alright to meet your heros :)

Now, wheres that video? :D

It's been said before by other people on this board, but I'll say it again; this couldn't happen to a more deserving gentleman. I've learned a lot about the car reading your posts on various message boards. Congratulations Peloton!

Now you just need to get one of your own :).

Thanks again you guys - I appreciate all the kind words from everyone more than you can imagine. :)

Part of me thought you were all going to hate me, or at least disown me, for not telling you guys about the plans ahead of time. :uhoh: I really wanted to, but was asked not to tell the world in advance. I guess Scott didn't want to have a line of people there and have to sell tickets. ;)

The good news is... I'm back with the much anticipated videos I took during the rides. :bananasmi

Sorry for the delay, but some of the clips needed to be cut into smaller pieces to make them easier to share. I felt it would be best to include a caption with each one too - kind of a play-by-play in case the audio isn't clear - but also to explain why I spent so much time babbling away. :redface: I guess I just can't stop talking about the F1. :grinno: I did try to shut up when the right pedal was pressed down each time so as not to interrupt the glorious sounds coming from that spectacular engine. :thumbsup:

I've uploaded the videos in two (now three) places for ease of sharing, and there are links to each video in both locations provided below along with the captions. The first place you will find them is at the end of the Imagestation album with the F1 images. With the Imagestation links below, you need to use the "Right-Click, Save Target As..." method to download the videos from this thread. If you find that isn't working for you, you can navigate to the end of the album and attempt to DL them directly from Imagestation. Also, the second place they are uploaded is the Rapidshare.de filesharing website, and with that link you can just click on it. It will open up a new window and then you scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "Free". You sometimes have to wait about :30s, but then your DL will start. The third place is Turboupload.com - they call it that because calling it Turbodownload.com would be a big fat lie. :lol: Hopefully it will work for some of you having issues though.

There's about 15 minutes of total video, and that adds up to about 88MB worth of clips. If there are any problems downloading them from these two sources, I will enlist theflinger's help with the server he offered earlier.

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Video 1 - MOV00631.MPG - 2m:41s / 14.3MB
Imagestation (http://www.imagestation.com/video/view.html?id=4071450092&dl=1) or Rapidshare (http://rapidshare.de/files/4312345/MOV00631.MPG.html) or Turboupload (http://d.turboupload.com/d/37176/MOV00631.MPG.html)

There's not too much excitement in this first one. This is the ride from where the F1 was parked (in that very poorly marked handicapped spot) down into the paddock. You'll see us get waved through all three checkpoints. Just before we enter the paddock, Richard accidentally grinds the gear he was trying to downshift into because the transmission is still cold. :( One of our cell phones causes some interference in the audio for a few seconds - that's what those strange beeping noises are. Once inside the paddock we almost get hit by two guys on a golf cart. :eek: Just before the end of the video you can see how two hands are required to select reverse gear because of the manual lock out. Richard's doing pretty well at that already with just two days of driving the car under his belt. Also, unlike many other supercars, backing up with the car is possible without a spotter.

Video 2 - MOV00649.MPG - :57s / 5MB
Imagestation (http://www.imagestation.com/video/view.html?id=4071449394&dl=1) or Rapidshare (http://rapidshare.de/files/4312452/MOV00649.MPG.html) or Turboupload (http://d.turboupload.com/d/37178/MOV00649.MPG.html)
Here it is - possibly the first ever recorded 4-passenger F1 ride. :lol2: You'll hear Richard point out XP4 to his friends towards the end of the clip. I'm not sure in the positions they were in if they were really capable of turning their heads to see it though. :grinno:

Video 3 - MOV00651-1.MPG - 1m:45s / 9.2MB
Imagestation (http://www.imagestation.com/video/view.html?id=4071447518&dl=1) or Rapidshare (http://rapidshare.de/files/4312562/MOV00651-1.MPG.html) or Turboupload (http://d.turboupload.com/d/37183/MOV00651-1.MPG.html)

Again, not much excitement in this clip as we are still on the road exiting the main gate of the track. Richard had mentioned to his friend that I know all about the F1. His friend asks me just as the camera starts rolling how I know so much about the cars.

Video 4 - MOV00651-2.MPG - 2m:41s / 14.3MB
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Don't miss this one - it starts out slow, but ends quite well. When the clip starts, Richard's friend asked about the engine in the car and Richard had just finished giving the basic specs. I offered up a bit more info on the origins of the S70/2 V12. There's a quick run through all 6 gears in this clip that gets us up to about 120mph. You'll hear Richard explain that he was short shifting at 4000RPMs because the engine was still cold. Richard shows us that the car can still accelerate in 6th, and I tell the story of Gordon doing the same thing to impress journalists. Then Richard drops down to second and once traffic clears in the opposite direction, well... we get a rush of 2nd, 3rd and up to the middle of 4th gear acceleration. I was shoved back into my seat and had to fight to keep the camera up. Richard waits till we're done laughing to tell us that was only half throttle. Wow... :worshippy

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I explain the longer than normal thottle pedal travel to Richard's friend - the car would likely be uncontrollable without it. Then I give you a quick look over my shoulder with the camera through the rear window. I wasn't sure how that was going to look, but you can see fairly well out the back. You can also see just how docile the car is once the camera comes back around. You could really drive this thing in any kind of traffic, although driving in traffic limits the fun quite a bit. Richard slows to put some distance between us and the car in front, and we get another little blast out of 2nd and 3rd gear. The acceleration of this car is incredible. Richard tells me the driving experience is "the ultimate - I've never driven anything like it". Another satisfied customer I guess. ;) I ask him if he had driven an F1 prior to the purchase, and he tells me that he went for a ride in one with his friend, Mansour Ojjeh - that name should sound familiar. ;) He tells me that Mansour has three F1s now. :smokin: He also mentions that Mansour was the one who suggested contacting Harold Dermott at McLaren Cars to help Richard find this car. I pay Harold a quick compliment because I know he's one person who definitely knows more about the cars then I could ever hope to. I wonder if Harold needs an assistant though? :icon16:

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Finally I give Richard a minute to speak. :redface: He explains how easy it is to drive since the car doesn't make you feather the gas and the clutch when you are starting off from a standstill. More casual driving - the car is a very comfortable crusing by the way.

Video 7 - MOV00653.MPG - :58s / 5.1MB
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Another quick blast of speed. :cool: Then Richard asks if the car is faster than his friend's plane. I didn't hear the word 'airplane', and thought they were talking about a car. When his friend mentions the he can beat the F1s top speed I ask what kind of car this could be. His friend explains they are talking about something with wings... oops Then we hit more traffic. The noise you'll hear are the brakes, which squeal a bit when cold at low speeds.

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Richard explains how the car's lack of a flywheel causes it to have excellent engine braking when you let off the throttle. We get a few stabs of the gas to prove this. I tell a story I read about Larry Blair apparently spinning XP4 at Laguna Seca in early 2004 - sorry Larry. The road opens up and Richard dispatches a bright yellow Porsche that had been tailing us with another quick burst of speed. :bigthumb:

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Richard demonstrates the revability of the engine at the stop light. Instant on - instant off essentially. The whole car wiggles a bit with each stab of the throttle. We had an audience at the intersection as I am sure you can imagine. Richard tells us his priceless philosphy on Ferraris - I love this guy! :lol: We laugh once at what Richard said, and then again because the guy in the car next to us has rolled down his window to say "You three guys are living the life right now." Richard's friend incorrectly identifies #068 as the last one made and both Richard and I are quick to correct him. I explain that it's basically the last unused one - though I think #065 might still be in this condition, and I suspect that Ralph Lauren's 2nd road car (#074) might also be in pristine original condition with very low miles. I tell Richard we can call him the last "new owner" - fair enough, right? :D Then there's one last blast up the road towards their hotel and the ride is over. The audio gets a little distorted there at the end. It was like that when it came off the camera unfortunately.

= = = = = =

I hope you enjoy the clips. There about as close as I could get to sharing the whole experience with everyone. :smile:

>8^)
ER

I got goosebumps from watching the videos. I can't believe how exciting it must've been for you!

btw, did you get me PM?

Glad to hear you enjoyed the videos. :thumbsup:

Yes, I did get your PM. Let me dig up a link for you now. :cool:

= = = = = =

Since I didn't include it above, I just want to remind everyone that it's really Richard and Scott that need to be thanked here for this stuff even being possible for me to share with you. Once again, those guys rock! :ylsuper:

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ER

IF you're having trouble with imagestation like me, go to the album, and view each movie. Shut off the streaming plugins (firefox options>downloads>plugins>disable .mov and .mpeg and such) and hit the download link to save it. Nothing else worked for me.

Thanks Pelo, Richard, and Scott. You guys rock!

:(
Can't get it to work in netscape, explorer, firefox, or deer park...

If I disable the plug-ins, then it just does not start the download on the rapidshare. Clicking on imagestation gives me an error message that it's an unauthorized page.

Clicking on imagestation gives me an error message that it's an unauthorized page.

Your not supposed to be clicking on the Imagestation link. :grinno:

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ER

If I right-click, and save target as..., then I end up downloading a blank mpg file.

That's really odd... :confused:

And Rapidshare isn't working for you either? :screwy: :(

Well later tonight I can upload them to the MF.com FTP site.

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ER

Thanks!

Plz upload to http://www.turboupload.com >.x

imagestation worked fine for me. I just clicked on it and the download windown popped it asking me where to save.

Found another computer where it worked with internet explorer. Downloading them now...thanks for all the offers of help!

Plz upload to http://www.turboupload.com >.x

Done! :thumbsup:

I added the links inline in the original post to keep things simple.

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ER

Awesome vids and great commentary. Thanks!!!!!!!

Welcome to the exclusive club on the F1 forum, matey! ;)

http://flinger.ath.cx/f1


Shit hot action!

Thanks again you guys - I appreciate all the kind words from everyone more than you can imagine. :)

Part of me thought you were all going to hate me, or at least disown me, for not telling you guys about the plans ahead of time. :uhoh: I really wanted to, but was asked not to tell the world in advance. I guess Scott didn't want to have a line of people there and have to sell tickets. ;)

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ER


Oh don't kid yourself...we all hate you in our own special way you lucky SOB! lol! :grinno: (joking)

It is a good thing you kept quiet, I would have told tvrfreak and then the whole world would've been there! (AWW man I can't believe you didn't let me know...I feel so left out in the cold...taking prozac now! feeling betterrrrrrrrrZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)l oL!

tvrfreak can't keep secrets???

Of course he can! I was only kidding. Monster, I am not one to intentionally start any kind of sh*t. We are all friends here..... I think.

WG

I was only half-kidding...tvrfreak tells me so much McLaren-related stuff, he really might have a hard time keeping secrets! :D

I hate keeping things secret in regards to the F1, but I still do from time to time.

There's a few new things right now I would love to share, but I'm waiting for confirmation that they can be public knowledge. Hopefully soon... :naughty:

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ER

Well, I sometimes do have a problem keeping secrets! Especially when it comes to really cool stuff (and does it really matter anyway who owns what? If you didn't want to be recognized for what you own stay in your shell or your palace and quit making a spectacle of yourself!) If I owned an F1, I would have to disengage my odometer as the S&D milage would be completely out the window criss crossing the country sharing the car with all of you! I can understand not wanting to disclose ownership of a $40 mil yacht (pirates and all), but a simple million? Most of us who own houses in soutern CA have that value. I just do not get this paranoia! Oh no... someone stole my Mclaren! Right! That is almost like stealing "Scream". No place to hide! Where you gonna drive it? Get parts? Tires? Unbelieveable!

That's almost like dating a supermodel and never wanting to be seen in public with her, whats the FUCKING point! Basically this car was meant to be an extention of our desires drive! Not to be locked up by some closet Sultan, rich puss executive, WANKER! FUCKINHELL!

Sorry for the rant!
WG

So Mansour Oijeh owns 3 of them, eh? Peloton, have you pondered yet which ones then? When you heard he had 3, you sounded surprised. Didn't we assume he had sold a few of his?

That was... stunning, awesome.. *richard takes it to 120mph* "..oh my god.." That brought a great big smile to my face!

You earnt it, man.. People who dedicate themselves to their passions will get close to the source of them, sooner or later.

Its also good to see there are people who really drive them too. Thanks for the videos, may you get many more such an experience!

So Mansour Oijeh owns 3 of them, eh? Peloton, have you pondered yet which ones then? When you heard he had 3, you sounded surprised. Didn't we assume he had sold a few of his?

Well yes, I was surprised. Especially with Richard's follow-up comment about Masour buying another one if he could. We know that both #073 and #011 that were sold through Christies came from the Ojjeh family so it seems odd if he is interested in owning more that any of them would have been sold.

I don't have a clue which ones they are, outside of #075 which I believe they still have and won't ever be selling.

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ER

Well yes, I was surprised. Especially with Richard's follow-up comment about Masour buying another one if he could. We know that both #073 and #011 that were sold through Christies came from the Ojjeh family so it seems odd if he is interested in owning more that any of them would have been sold.

I don't have a clue which ones they are, outside of #075 which I believe they still have and won't ever be selling.

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ER

Now whilst I understand that the Ojjeh family own 30% of McLaren Group (through TAG) and hes obviously got the spare cash floating around.

Why bother buying up all the cars he can? And of course I understand that very few people can afford to buy, and more importantly maintain the cars. The Larry Kinch? car had a $176K refurb. Thats not a few hundred for a oil and plugs change and a valet.

To me, buying up every car he can, just means the circle of owners gets progressively smaller. Like Seldorff (sp?) previously owning 3. Why 2 were AFAIK never driven as a result. Even Gordon and Ron only have 1 each. And they are pretty serious individuals when it comes to the F1s aura. And if fewer people own them, then we are less likely to see them at events. As presumably these mulit owners keep them ferretted away for the future.

I agree with what you said in your video. I prefer the cars that are used. Its what they are for afterall. If you want a piece of immobile artwork buy a painting. You want the best car to drive around in buy a F1.

Ramblings over :)

Just a minor clarification - Mr Selldorff drove two out of the three cars that he owned. Considering that one of them was the LM, that's pretty impressive. Not many people could be convinced to take a car like that out onto the road and mingle with everyday traffic.

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/87/25/21602951-f83f-0200014E-.jpg

Maybe the desire to have more F1s is based partially on their investment potential and perceived future value. If you can buy one now and tuck it away for a while, or even get a little use out of it, before selling it for a decent profit, why wouldn't you? I think it's rare that you'll find a wealthy person who says they don't want to make anymore money. :grinno:

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ER

Perhaps there's three cars between Mansour and Aziz Ojjeh? It would be quite amazing/cool if Mansour had 3 and Aziz had another few!!

Just a minor clarification - Mr Selldorff drove two out of the three cars that he owned. Considering that one of them was the LM, that's pretty impressive. Not many people could be convinced to take a car like that out onto the road and mingle with everyday traffic.

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/87/25/21602951-f83f-0200014E-.jpg

Maybe the desire to have more F1s is based partially on their investment potential and perceived future value. If you can buy one now and tuck it away for a while, or even get a little use out of it, before selling it for a decent profit, why wouldn't you? I think it's rare that you'll find a wealthy person who says they don't want to make anymore money. :grinno:

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ER


Ok I'll bow to your knowledge. But why have the 3rd car? Just because it was a low mileage example. I would guess 75% of the cars left are low mileage put into storage examples. Appreciating Value? Well they were $1M new. And they're changing hands for what ~$1.3M nowadays? Are they really going to go up enough to warrant keeping one? If a rich person wants make money they're are more guaranteed ways of doing so.

I understand the car collector facination thing. Someone like Jay Leno has the money to amass an intersting selection of cars. Thats the crucial word though, selection.

Who gets the biggest kick from the F1 ownership experience?
a) Sultan of Brunei because he has 5? (all garaged and low miles)
b) Mr Ojjeh does from owning 3 (low miles)
or
c) Mr A N Onymous who owns 1 car but drives it fairly regularly?

Id much rather meet the guy c) simply because he'll still get goosebumps when he opens his garage door on that Sunday morning and pulls of the fitted cover. Hes a fan in the running through the veins way. The collectors are simply showing their wealth.

IMHO - Maybe because as a Englishman we dont do over the top ;)

You should really read the story about how Frank ended up with two road cars. You can find it here:

http://www.bmwcca.org/Roundel/2002/11/Article_1.shtml

The LM came along after those two cars, and was an opportunity he could not pass up. That's how he ended up owning 3.

If stories are true, he may have doubled his initial investment on the LM when he sold it. Even if he didn't, he still had the car for more than a year, got some great use out of it, and most certainly sold it for some kind of profit. There's very few cars in the world that you can say that about.

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ER

Ok, maybe Mr Selldorff is the exception to my rule. He is an F1 fan. Hes certainly been open with his cars to people interested.

But to just buy, for the sake of buying? As some people seem to.

Cant see the point.

Yes, some people lose the plot. Especially in Japan.

I was just about to say that, basically.

Why some people buy the worlds greatest driver's car and then never drive it escapes my reasoning too. :screwy:

I love the cars that are used. I know I said that on one of those videos.

>8^)
ER

If you want a piece of immobile artwork buy a painting. You want the best car to drive around in buy a F1.

Ramblings over :)

Agreed ... to an extent ... however, F1's and certain other low volume but prestigious cars are long term investments ... give it 20 years and careful storage/maintenance and you've a VERY valuable asset.

I think with the ones in Japan that are in the museum, it's because they are treated as works of art.. almost worshipped. Too afraid to let harm come to them, to be cherished and revered as the pinnacle of automotive engineering that they are, and to be able to possess the rarest piece of art.

Ask someone who privately owns a rare art piece. Will they display it publicly?.. No. It is partial possession, partial reverence... like a rare sword. Will you use a rare sword from ancient feudal Japan? Not likely.

Hence why some choose to own several. One to drive and enjoy... the other to be cherished for the art and engineering marvel that it is. Given the chance I would do the same - own multiple copies to be able to drive one. It's unfortunate for the general public at this time.. But if they are keeping this jewels hidden away from the public and the environment... then all it means is that when I'm ready for one... it will be in mint condition. Here's to dreams kept alive by the thought that several mint examples still exist in the world.

I certainly won't fault these guys. I just thank them for taking care of these cars until the next owner. :icon16:

Don't really agree with that point of view. Machines are different from art. A machine being used as intended IS art. Sharing is a different matter, and I can understand to some extent the desire to protect it from harm/accident by keeping it off public roads but you can certainly mitigate the danger by driving in less crowded conditions, and on tracks. But you ought to, no you must drive them.

If things do go pear-shaped, McLaren does rebuild them to as-new. No worries there, just some (potential) hassles. Certainly, IMO, it is a misuse to stick them in an air-bubble. What is the point? You could take a large poster and put it there too. The beauty of this art is in the way it performs. To eliminate the performance is like caging a racehorse or looking at a playbill instead of going to see the show.

Yes, some people lose the plot. Especially in Japan.

"More money than sense" Thats what someone said at a dealer i went to about the cars in Japan.

I think you guys just are arguing on the personal interest. For instance, when someone looking a certain car, comparing to another persons, they have several various preferable point with different aspect such as design or performance and maker reputation, which mean definitely their thought is quite subjective. In other words, whether why they treat that running masterpiece as just collection for self-satisfaction or daily useable car belong to extreme subjective interest. After all, it is almost same as which fruit do you like. So i figure purely this arguement is worthless and of course, there is no answer. In the end, come to hurt you.

From my guess.

You are right, it's not black and white. But, there are some basic principles involved.

If they are generosity, love of life and living, genuine appreciation for other's work and creation, etc., you will see that driving a McLaren and cherishing the car and the experiences it gives are all in keeping with those principles.

If they are more along the lines of greed, hording, selfishness, waste, lack of comprehension/appreciation/mechanical sympathy, then misusing or locking up a McLaren is more in keeping with those.

We all know which principles to look up to.

And we all know which McLaren owners to admire. :)

Obviously everyone has their opinions on what to do with a McLaren.

The few experiences shared makes them even more special.

Thoroughly enjoyed your write up Erik and smiled when I watched the videos.

Awesome vids! The one where he takes it to 120 is so cool. That engine sounds like nothing else I've ever heard. :bigthumb:

I also want to say thanks for the photo and vid post. The vids were really enjoyable and was also thrilled by the sights and sounds. What a treat. Savor the moment. Way :cool:

Thanks again.

There are always People love a car like this , It relex you from tension and pain . why do i say that ? For me example , The classic super car & 80's music are mine passion and keep me moving on everyday . even I knew I can't Affor it ...

Ps:example Peloton25 passion make him have a chance to get closer to F1 and F1 joyride..... :D

The car has actually been stored there at the New Jersey Port for about 2 years now during the time that Frank owned it, but it was brought up to EPA standards and has received it's Show & Display exemption status already. He also sent me a photo of the car he asked me not to share, maybe to prove he wasn't pulling my leg. At this point I think I was giddy with anticipation. :lol:



Erik, so since #007 already applied to the standard, S&D and , means Frank couldn't drive this second road car #068 in the 2 years period of he owning because only one car can obtain this exemption among many collection? or are there any another problem with that he couldn't drive it ? and how did new owner come to be able to drive this if there had laid to same condition as Frank's ?

No - there's no limit to the number of cars one can have approved under Show & Display to my knowledge. Even if there was, it would be fairly simple to bend that rule and list a second or third car under the name of a spouse or other family member.

I believe the desire was to simply keep the car in it's "New" condition by leaving it in storage once the DOT/EPA requirements had been met.

Thanks for dragging this to the top, as I had been meaning to add images of the F1 GTR t-shirt I found in the concession area at Laguna Seca. Check this thing out - I can't believe I have never seen it before.

This is on the front left and measures about 4" wide.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/DSC04708.jpg

This large print is on the back and is probably 16" x 18".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/DSC04713.jpg

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ER

No - there's no limit to the number of cars one can have approved under Show & Display to my knowledge. Even if there was, it would be fairly simple to bend that rule and list a second or third car under the name of a spouse or other family member.

I believe the desire was to simply keep the car in it's "New" condition by leaving it in storage once the DOT/EPA requirements had been met.

Thanks for dragging this to the top, as I had been meaning to add images of the F1 GTR t-shirt I found in the concession area at Laguna Seca. Check this thing out - I can't believe I have never seen it before.




Those T-shirt actually JUST look good not because i am a truly fan of Mclaren F1.

Thanks

Erik:

Don't know if you know this.. but there are actually two versions of this shirt... One like the pics you posted and the other with the large image on the front.

Sorry to piss on your parade ;)

I got that t shirt at Lime Rock over labor day weekend. I got this one too:

http://k5mcl.smugmug.com/photos/40397925-M.jpg

http://k5mcl.smugmug.com/photos/40397922-M.jpg


:D

Thanks for dragging this to the top, as I had been meaning to add images of the F1 GTR t-shirt I found in the concession area at Laguna Seca. Check this thing out - I can't believe I have never seen it before.
Thanks for posting that. I think I know the vendor. I've contacted them and if they still have any stock I'll start a new thread to let everyone know where they can get one. They have (had?) one other F1 GTR shirt so here's hoping that they still have some. :iceslolan

Edit: the post above must be the other shirt I referred to as I know that this vendor travels to Lime Rock.

Thanks for posting that. I think I know the vendor. I've contacted them and if they still have any stock I'll start a new thread to let everyone know where they can get one. They have (had?) one other F1 GTR shirt so here's hoping that they still have some. :iceslolan

Edit: the post above must be the other shirt I referred to as I know that this vendor travels to Lime Rock.
It was pretty pricey. $25 each. I ended up paying $50 for 2. They got mad when i tried to bargain with them, 2 for $40. I remember that they were french too. Is that who you are talking about?

I dug out their business card. Their website is offline right now. I won't post it since i'll leave that to you for a new thread ;)

Sorry to piss on your parade ;)

You're not pissing on my parade at all. I'm glad someone else managed to get their hands on one. I'm just surprised that I have never seen one before. You would think a shirt like that would be in wide circulation, not found on the wall of a vendor's trailer at a race track.

I'd like one of those Gulf shirts too. :naughty:

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ER

It was pretty pricey. $25 each. I ended up paying $50 for 2. They got mad when i tried to bargain with them, 2 for $40. I remember that they were french too. Is that who you are talking about?

Yes, French couple from San Francisco. If you knew what the tracks charge them to be there and what their expenses are you'd start thinking that $25 is pretty reasonable for a quality shirt. The only way to get the shirt price down would be on very large quantity like an event shirt at the actual event where you might sell several thousand. How many Mclaren shirts do you think they sell at the average CART or IMSA event these days? They may well have been carrying the cost of that inventory for 10 years! I used to know several of those vendors quite well who all did the same rounds every year. Trust me: it is a very tough way to make a living and most of them just scrape by. If they gave you 2 for $40 they'd probably be losing money on them and doing it just to clean out old inventory.

Edit: the website has not been updated in a loooong time and appears to have been gone since about a year ago.

If you knew what the tracks charge them to be there and what their expenses are you'd start thinking that $25 is pretty reasonable for a quality shirt.

Funny you should mention that. They said the same thing and said they had to steal their power from the trailer next door :D

It's not your responsibility as the consumer to bear their carrying costs. And if it's been in their inventory for that long, something is wrong with the marketing mix, most probably in both price and promotion.

It's a nice t-shirt, I like it a lot. If you could post any contact info for the seller, I would definitely buy one.

Many thanks.

It's a nice t-shirt, I like it a lot. If you could post any contact info for the seller, I would definitely buy one.

Many thanks.

The vendor has just returned home from a trip - they are checking their stocks of Mclaren shirts and I will post the results as soon as I receive them along with contact information. Stay tuned...

That group used to have a good collection of GT Endurance books as well. Was trying to get more from them.

Erik, Pic for your personal collection.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6483/xp414qy.th.png (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xp414qy.png)

(Don't flame me if you have already seen it)

awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeee

thanks!!!!!

where was it??

Erik, Pic for your personal collection.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6483/xp414qy.th.png (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xp414qy.png)

(Don't flame me if you have already seen it)

I found that shot myself about two weeks ago and had a good laugh over it. I must have been standing there for an hour, so it's no surprise that someone captured me in one of their own shots.

(I don't flame anyone for sharing things here) ;)

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ER

PatrickT82awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeee

thanks!!!!!

where was it??

Its at the bottom of Erik's back garden, He's just hung is washing out (see the size of that BMW tee shirt to the right). Now he's talking to the neighbours over the fence. Topic? well it,s certainly not about the weather.:screwy: (Only joking)

Laguna Seca raceway!!