Nearly 100 new McLaren F1 GTR photos, with a catch... *Updated* 56K Warning!

Peloton25

08-18-2005, 04:06 AM

Sutton-Images.com is an online Motorsports photo library - probably the best one that there is, certainly the best that I have found. Within their collection of thousands of images, there are 97 images of various McLaren F1 GTRs taken by many different photographers over the years they were racing. These are almost all top notch pictures - really spectacular images that you would only expect to find inside a very nice book.

To see the images, go to www.sutton-images.com

In the top right corner of the page is the Search bar. First select the radio button next to 'Entire Archive'. Then in the SEARCH box type "McLaren and GTR" without the quotes. This will bring up four pages of thumbnails - a total of 97 images - most of which you have more than likely never seen before. Clicking on the thumbnails brings up a larger version of the image that is roughly 575x380 resolution. :cool:

Now the catch... :uhoh:

Each of the larger images has a very large, embossed-style watermark covering it that reads "Sutton Motorsport Images global" which practically ruins the quality of the pic. :(

Here's an example:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/tal0413au19.jpg

What a horrible thing to do to a wonderful image like that. :shakehead It's almost frustrating to flip through the images, because when you find one that is really spectacular, well... :cya: :banghead:

I've managed to fix a few so far to the point that they are acceptable, but not great. I also scaled them up slightly from the image that is available on Sutton's site. I won't be able to do this with most of the images, but I'll make the effort with as many as I think are possible of achieving a positive outcome. Here's the ones I have done so far:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/th_dcd0528ju93.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/dcd0528ju93.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/th_tal0401ju01.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/tal0401ju01.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/th_tal0401ju02.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/tal0401ju02.jpg)

There is one shred of good news though. Almost all the images - in fact 95 out of 97 are available for purchase as a print. There are 5 sizes available from regular letter size up to a large poster. Here's the sizing/pricing chart:

Size A Size Dimensions Price
SML A4 210 x 297 mm (8.25" x 11.75") £14.95
MED A3 297 x 420 mm (11.75" x 16.5") £19.95
LGE A2 420 x 594 mm (16.5" x 23.37") £34.95
XL A1 594 x 841 mm (23.37" x 33') £49.95
XXL A0 841 x 1189 mm (33" x 46.75") £74.95

So there you have it - great images of the F1 GTRs - the chance at having a beautiful poster on your wall - and lots of work for anyone who wishes to try to repair the watermarked shots. :screwy:

>8^)
ER

amanichen

08-18-2005, 07:13 AM

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-18-2005, 10:07 AM

Cool, thanks for the link! These pics are huge, too, but pretty expensive. Can PS remove water marks?

I would like to point out that the last picture of 13R and 14R is mis-informed. The car in the back (with the yellow and black windshield sticker) is 13R, which was driven by Ralf. 14R is in front. I have pictures of Fuji 1996 that I've posted before of 14R that verify this. 13R had it's banner switched to all black (as seen in the ZAZ pictures) after its racing career was done.

mini magic

08-18-2005, 10:36 AM

We should all buy 5 each or something and scan them all and make a private online gallery for only us to see them.

Peloton25

08-18-2005, 01:37 PM

The interesting thing is that I've seen many of the photos up there in (other places) without watermarks on them. I wonder if the website actually owns the copyright to all of them. They claim a general copyright of every image on the website, but either someone at sometime in history has bought photos and releasing them (hence the lack of a watermark) or this racket wasn't the place who originally took the photos.

Where have you seen "many of the photos"? I recognize a few, but probably not even 10 of them. Some that I recognize are just similar to other photos. The two that are clearly recognizable - the shots of the West Adrenaline GTR - are the two that are not available for sale.

I would hardly call that place a racket. They more than likely buy images from freelance photographers that have been at these events to fill their archive. They probably have a limited-use copyright on the images, allowing them to sell the images in print form or license them for press use, which is another angle of their business model. They may be paying a flat fee to the photographer for those rights, or they could be paying a royalty to the photographer each time an image is purchased. You'll note that in some cases the copyright that you would need to credit the image to includes the photographer's name, where as with others the copyright is simply "World © SUTTON".

These images may have been sold to other publications or found other uses on the web which is why you have seen some without the copyright. Unless a photographer is specifically contracted by a publication for them to take the photos, they are usually free to sell them as many times as they can unless they sign an agreement that limits those rights. That's how they make money. If you can find these images available elsewhere then that's wonderful - most people won't look for things the way that we do though.

If you are finding some of these shots in random car galleries, then I wouldn't be surprised if people have purchased a print and scanned it - the same thing that mini magic was suggesting we do. I actually plan on buying a few myself and doing just that.

>8^)
ER

Stratoraptor

08-19-2005, 07:19 PM

Great shots for sure. However, the price is too high for me to spend on a simple picture. The pictures of the car that intrests me the most isn't some of Mr. Sutton's best work either.

Thanks for sharing anyway. :)

Peloton25

09-02-2005, 03:15 PM

I have some exciting news! :bananasmi

A very generous person who prefers to remain nameless has managed to send me each and every one of these photos from the Sutton website absent of their watermark. :naughty:

I'll be putting them up over the weekend sometime for the rest of you to enjoy. This will save me quite a bit of time since there were still several I was planning to attempt to 'fix'. A tremendous thanks goes out to our anonymous source! :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

mini magic

09-02-2005, 04:09 PM

Thanks to whoever you are. We appreciate it :)

F1 monster

09-02-2005, 10:01 PM

Wow, awesome!

bucciali

09-04-2005, 12:54 PM

Wow, that's sounds super!

Thanks a bunch, Mystery Man! And thanks Peloton, for putting them up for us.

jcsaleen

09-05-2005, 02:18 PM

Well...

I tried to buffer the image water mark figuring it's part of the link but it's imbeded. If you have mozilla you take a look at the tags by right-clicking the image backround (not image itself) and clicking page info - then go to media an look at the pix. Some might not be imbeded and the originals might appear or Right and select page source and it will displace each link... There might be some originals in there to. I'll keep trying till I break through...

Lata Jc

Edit... Wow thankyou who you are for the photo's...

Now I just need those carpix images :mad:

Peloton25

09-09-2005, 03:18 AM

SD F1

09-09-2005, 05:08 AM

Thanks Peloton! Those shots are great.

W

Peloton25

09-09-2005, 05:45 AM

Yes, they really are. Thanks goes out once again to the supplier of these great images. :grinyes:

>8^)
ER

F1 monster

09-09-2005, 11:06 AM

Peloton,
would you mind editing your post and organizing these cars by chassis number (for the ones that you know)? That would really help me organize them.
Thanks a lot! This is quite a treasure trove.
:)

Peloton25

09-09-2005, 01:37 PM

Simple request is not in your vocabulary, is it? :lol2:

I won't mix up the files as they are presented, but I can give you a breakdown based on filename/chassis number later to make it easy to put them where you need to. :smokin:

>8^)
ER

F1 monster

09-09-2005, 01:55 PM

That works! Thanks! Or, a table with filename, location, event, car number...

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

09-09-2005, 02:38 PM

Many thanks Peloton and the person who fixed the pictures!

F1 Monster, here's what I have for the chassis numbers. I'll list them for the pics from left to right and then up to down.

14R in front of 13R in 1st pic.
04R in next 2 pics.
03R in next 18 pics.
18R in next pic.
25R in next 2 pics.
24R in next pic.
02R in next pic.
26R in next pic.
21R in front, 23R in back in next pic.
26R in next 2 pics.
12R in next pic.
15R in next pic.
12R in next 4 pics.
24R in next 11 pics.
12R in the next 6 pics.
03R in next pic.
12R in next pic.
Not sure which GTC longtail this one is.
03R in next 2 pics.
06R in next 2 pics.
03R in next 3 pics.
02R in next pic.
03R in next pic.
04R in next pic.
02R in next 2 pics.
Not sure which brand new GTR this one is.
01R in next pic.
03R in next pic.
04R in next pic.
02R in the left of this pic.
01R in next 3 pics.
08R in next 3 pics.
15R in next 7 pics.
01R in next 7 pics.
18R in next pic.
Not sure which one this is. It said it finished 6th at Silverstone, but I don't see a GTC longtail finishing in that spot. I put down 20R because of the driver and the red mirrors.
Next 2 are the Clinic Model. I don't know which chassis number that is, if it has one. Was this one a static model?

F1 monster

09-09-2005, 02:52 PM

Many thanks!
This really helps.

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

09-09-2005, 03:00 PM

There's an edit to my post with the rest.

Peloton25

09-09-2005, 03:13 PM

Here's the breakdown by chassis/filename. Some of these would not have been possible without the Sutton Images caption since identical liveries/race numbers were used on different chassis. Those with an asterisk denote images containing two GTRs:

GTR #01R: mclsi_075, mclsi_076, mclsi_077, mclsi_088, mclsi_089, mclsi_090, mclsi_091, mclsi_092, mclsi_093, mclsi_094

GTR #02R: mclsi_026, mclsi_065, mclsi_068, mclsi_069, mclsi_071, mclsi_074

GTR #03R: mclsi_004, mclsi_005, mclsi_006, mclsi_007, mclsi_008, mclsi_009, mclsi_010, mclsi_011, mclsi_012, mclsi_013, mclsi_014, mclsi_015, mclsi_016, mclsi_017, mclsi_018, mclsi_019, mclsi_020, mclsi_021, mclsi_055, mclsi_058, mclsi_059, mclsi_062*, mclsi_063, mclsi_066, mclsi_070, mclsi_072

GTR #04R: mclsi_002 (presumed), mclsi_003 (presumed), mclsi_067, mclsi_073

GTR #06R: mclsi_060, mclsi_061

GTR #08R: mclsi_078, mclsi_079, mclsi_080

GTR #12R: mclsi_031, mclsi_033, mclsi_034, mclsi_035, mclsi_036, mclsi_049, mclsi_050, mclsi_051, mclsi_052, mclsi_053, mclsi_054, mclsi_056, mclsi_062*, mclsi_064

GTR #13R: mclsi_001*

GTR #14R: mclsi_001*

GTR #15R: mclsi_032, mclsi_081, mclsi_082, mclsi_083, mclsi_084, mclsi_085, mclsi_086, mclsi_087

GTR #16R: mclsi_095

GTR #18R: mclsi_022

GTR #20R: mclsi_096

GTR #21R: mclsi_028*

GTR #23R: mclsi_028*

GTR #24R: mclsi_025, mclsi_037, mclsi_038, mclsi_039, mclsi_040, mclsi_041, mclsi_042, mclsi_043, mclsi_044, mclsi_045, mclsi_046, mclsi_047, mclsi_048

GTR #25R: mclsi_023, mclsi_024

GTR #26R: mclsi_027, mclsi_029, mclsi_030

Clinic Model: mclsi_097, mclsi_098

Indistinguishable: mclsi_057.jpg (possibly #20R)

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

09-09-2005, 03:21 PM

Not sure which one this is. It said it finished 6th at Silverstone, but I don't see a GTC longtail finishing in that spot. I put down 20R because of the driver and the red mirrors.

The Sutton caption on this one has to be wrong. Its hard to be sure which part of it is wrong though. :screwy:

I put it down as #20R as well, but after further review it seems the car could be GTR #25R instead. If the driver listed is accurate then the car would have to be #25R because it was shared by Bellm/Gilbert-Scott/Raphanel on that date and finished in 4th place.

Edit: After even further review, the car that wore race #3 at Silverstone in 1997 did not start due to an accident, and it was GTR #20R. The drivers were Jean-Marc Gounon and Pierre-Henri Raphanel. I guess the portion of the Sutton caption that is wrong is the final placing. That picture must have been taken during practice or qualifying.

>8^)
ER

F1 monster

09-09-2005, 03:37 PM

Thanks a lot guys.

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

09-09-2005, 03:48 PM

The Sutton caption on this one has to be wrong. Its hard to be sure which part of it is wrong though. :screwy:

I put it down as #20R as well, but after further review it seems the car could be GTR #25R instead. If the driver listed is accurate then the car would have to be #25R because it was shared by Bellm/Gilbert-Scott/Raphanel on that date and finished in 4th place.

>8^)
ER

Yea, it was weird. The QV500 file showed Raphanel in 2 GTRs the same day with 20R as a "DNS" and the other being 25R. I think it's safe to say that he wasn't in 20R anymore because of the DNS.