2003 Viper

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05-01-2002, 12:47 PM

You mean this viper polygon?

Btw, these are the pictures I took at the barrett jackson auto show.

Viper 10
05-01-2002, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Polygon
[B]Personally I think they could have done much better with the SRT-10 Viper, but it doesn't look like an S2000. I don't see where you people are getting that. Just because it has a long hood makes it automatically an S2000 rip off? I don't think so. Granted it is not the best looking Viper ever, but it is not that bad looking either. I like the looks of the new roadster. What irritates me is that the coupe is being held off for two years or so.


This question is for Viper 10 since he is the guru in this forum. Is the Viper coupe the GTS-r pictures I have been seeing, you know the concept GTS-R? Because that is one gorgeous car.

Yes the Viper Coupe/ GTS-R that has been touring the car shows for many years is the SRT-10 Coupe. DC (mistakenly) decided to come out with the Convertible before the Coupe (even though they sell twice as many GTS Coupe, than they do RT/10's). The release date is for the 2005 model year (which means fall of 2004).


Viper 10
05-01-2002, 05:39 PM

05-01-2002, 05:52 PM
I was at that car show! :D

Nice parallel comparison pics! :)

05-01-2002, 05:59 PM
yes looks are opinion and it is my opion that the 911 is fugly, it reminds me os a vw beetle

05-01-2002, 06:44 PM
good for you

05-01-2002, 11:26 PM
"So much for the “Valley of the Sun” — it’s a freezing cold January morning in the Arizona desert, and it poses the morning’s first big question: should we put the top up? With the original Dodge Viper RT/10, the answer likely would have been a resounding “no.” The roadster’s fold-up “toupette” was as ungainly as the folding lawn chair in a Laurel & Hardy short that would always collapse as someone went to sit down. So, with the Viper, you were more likely than not to brave the elements even in a hardy downpour.

Of course, this is the new Viper and it actually has a top easy enough to operate with one hand. Thanks for small miracles. But there are plenty of other, far bigger changes coming with the upcoming introduction of the first complete remake of the legendary Dodge sports car.

It’s hard to believe, but in model-year 2002 the Viper was the oldest vehicle in the Dodge fleet, and despite a continuous stream of improvements and upgrades, the original model was undeniably showing its age. The 2003 is designed to keep kicking asp with a blend of its traditional brute power and an assortment of new features that might actually be described as, well, “refined,” much to the consternation of Herb Helbig. During development, recalls the Viper team leader, “People kept saying we were civilizing the car. That kept me up with nightmares.”

Less is more

During a visit to Phoenix a few months back, TheCarConnection got an opportunity to take the eagerly-awaited ’03 for a spin around DaimlerChrysler’s Arizona Proving Grounds. The prototype we drove was still undergoing final tuning and tweaking, so there may be some subtle changes before the bodacious two-seater hits showrooms later this year. But the 2003 Dodge Viper remains at heart true to its original mission. It’s aimed, says Helbig, at “the guy who likes to rip large chunks of pavement out as he goes around a corner.
First some basic specs: the Viper’s wheelbase has been lengthened three inches, most of that behind the driver. That gives a better balance between ride comfort and handling. So does the new frame, which is 35 percent stiffer. Though longer, the ‘03 now weighs in at 3350 pounds, a full 100 pounds less than the last-generation roadster. That translates into an even more audacious power-to-weight ratio.

The heart of the Viper, its big V-10 has grown from 488 cubic inches to 505. (For the metric-minded, that’s a hefty 8.3 liters.) It now puts out 500 horsepower and 500 foot-pounds of torque, power that comes on strong from the moment your foot first makes contact with the accelerator pedal. The engine is mated to a carryover six-speed Tremec manual gearbox.

Some of the refinements of the ’03 will be welcomed by even the most die-hard snake fans, like the repositioned pedals that make it easier to do heel-and-toe shifts. There’s even a dead pedal for that wandering left foot. As noted, there’s a real ragtop now, and a far more sophisticated interior, but here the emphasis is on performance. The tachometer is the dominant instrument in the cluster. Secondary gauges have been arranged in a column along the center stack angled in cockpit fashion to make them quick and easy to read. A new radio with a six-CD in-dash changer adds another “500” to the Viper’s statistics—500 watts of sound.
Mounted just below the audio faceplate, there’s an all-new climate control system providing far more control over heating and air conditioning. You can aim them at will, allowing you to extend your driving season—at least until the snow gets too deep for the Viper’s massive tires. We’re talking 18-inch, low-profile Michelin Run-Flats up front and 19-inchers in the rear. (Those 345-30ZR19s measure a full 13.5 inches across, making them the biggest tires on any North American production vehicle.)

Pushbutton fads

Clambering into a Viper has never been a job for the arthritic. You have to slide your way across the big sills that conceal the side pipes. That’s right: the 2003 revives the side-mounted exhaust pipes found on early versions of the roadster. They’re a bit better insulated now and less likely to scald someone wearing shorts or a skirt. Or worse, a short skirt.

The ‘03’s new seats fit like cocoons. They’re much more comfortable and supportive than those in the old car. They have real attitude. And they’re ready to accept six-point seatbelts which, at the time of our test, Dodge was likely to offer as an option.

To fire up the V-10, press the “Start” button mounted just in front of the gear shifter. Apparently, even Team Viper couldn’t ignore a good fad. Like a snake coiled and ready to strike, the roadster roars to life, seeming anxious to get into gear. And it doesn’t take much more than a touch of your right foot to realize that this is still a true Viper. The sheer power is eye-bulging. Combined with the grip of those big tires, the sensation is a blend of confidence and exhilaration. Each lap around the Proving Grounds’ short oval goes by a bit faster than before, the roadster firmly planted near the crest of the steeply banked loop. But the course is a little too short and tight to test the 190-mph top speed claimed for the ’03.

As we settle into the run, other details start to stand out, like the engine’s distinctive new exhaust note. A V-10 may produce plenty of power, but unlike a V-8 or V-12, it’s not the type of engine layout that naturally produces a pleasing sound. The old car could sound, at times, more like a UPS truck than a sports car. So Team Viper put in countless hours in the acoustic labs, an effort that paid off with a much more pleasant sound that underscores, rather than belies the car’s raw torque.

One thing missing, by the way, is the unpleasant sensation of wind buffeting that could be overwhelmingly cruel to anyone taking a high-speed run in the old RT/10 roadster. The focus on aerodynamics, which yields significantly greater downforce for the new car, also helps minimize air turbulence in the passenger compartment.

Handling the snake

Where the new Viper’s torque truly became apparent was on the handling track, a tight, weaving course of red cones laid out on a sea of smooth asphalt. A course like this offers a good opportunity to see if all the pieces come together because you’re using the accelerator, brakes, steering wheel and chassis dynamics to make it through as fast as possible.

One of the first things we discovered about the new 2003 Viper is how much more predictable it is than the car it replaces. Steering is precise and once you get the basic feel of the car, you can easily use the throttle and brakes to point your way through a hard corner.

That’s not to say it’s an easy car to drive, at least not when you’re pushing the limits. Some of the newest sports cars have gotten so refined you feel like you could run a race with one arm fiddling with the radio. “You’re not going to have one arm wrapped around your girlfriend,” laughed Helbig, demonstrating his own technique on the handling course. It takes concentration to practice to push this car to the limits. It may be more manageable, but the Viper hasn’t been tamed.

Just how fast off the line is the new car? They’re still finalizing those specs, but 0-60 times well under four seconds are a certainty. After all, the new car has to at least maintain, if not widen, its lead over the Corvette Z06, which posts a time of 3.9-seconds.

Straight-line acceleration is only part of the new Viper equation. The roadster’s big Brembo brakes scrub off speed in a heartbeat, and the ABS system ensures you stop in a straight line. Helbig confidently expects to beat the USAC record of 0-100 and back to zero, currently standing at 14.7 seconds. The goal is 14.2 seconds.

Performance may be the soul of this snake charmer, but style was a big part of the original Viper appeal. Few cars could match its macho excess. Here’s where the new Viper has come in for its sharpest tongue-lashing since the covers were first lifted at the Detroit auto show. There’s no question the new car is a striking exercise in design, but it simply doesn’t have the same curvaceous, over-the-top panache. While those at the Chrysler design studios in Auburn Hills, Mich., insist they had complete control of the project, the 2003 Viper nonetheless has a more European flair to it; it is less of the extreme American machine of the original.

To some, that might actually be a welcome change. Attractive? Absolutely. And the design is far more functional. The horse collar grille is a third larger than before to improve engine breathing. The higher deck lid delivers significantly more downforce, especially at high speeds. And it conceals a trunk that’s actually able to store some luggage. But the second-generation roadster isn’t quite as likely to catch the eye and imagination of road warrior wannabes. If Helbig has any reason to worry, it’s that the new car almost looks too refined.

The styling debate is likely to continue long after the new car hits showrooms in October. But once a few of the 2003 Vipers get on the street, there’ll be little debate over its performance. The new car may wear a more refined look, but under the skin, it’s still got that brute force that made the Viper a legend in its own time."

2003 Dodge Viper
Base price: $75,000 (est.)
Engine: 8.3-liter V-10, 500 hp
Transmission: six speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Length x width x height: 175.5 X 84.8 x 47.6 in
Wheelbase: 98.8 in
Curb weight : 3357 lb
EPA City/Hwy: N/A
Safety equipment: dual front airbags, security alarm, pretensioning seatbelts
Major standard equipment: keyless entry, tilt steering wheel, six-disc in-dash CD changer
Warranty: N/A

05-02-2002, 02:30 PM
yes looks are opinion and it is my opion that the 911 is fugly, it reminds me os a vw beetle
people still say this kind of thing? jeez.... if thats not blind prejudice i dont know what is

sheuisha GT
05-03-2002, 06:03 PM
zup all,
where r are you all,there hasnt been very many new posts up:(

05-03-2002, 06:10 PM
what do you mean prejodus? its opinon, my opinion that it liiks like a beetle.

05-09-2002, 12:55 AM
As far as looks go, personally, I like the new design of the Viper. I like how they made it more 'futuristic' than before. I am totally digging those headlights, and most everything about it.
I do though think they went a bit too extreme on the overall body of the car. They took away her georgeous curves, which is the change I dislike the most. I think most of the angles of the car look overall more aggressive (especially the front shot, like the silver one a few posts above), but I just don't like the profile look of the car. I think it is too boxy and 'flat' I guess. They should have kept the curves, and added the new goodies onto that.
I like the change, but I think it was a tad extreme.
As for the power........ :D

Just my 2cents.

The DeViL
05-10-2002, 10:37 PM
How can you not compare it to an S2000 it looks so much like it besides a few curves here and there.

I gotta say for a 70,000 car they should give it a little better interior. The old ones and the new ones look so plain inside. I'd sure like to own one though regardless.

05-10-2002, 11:13 PM
Ok, I know people are gonna hate me for this one, but i gotta say it :) Personally i think the 2003 looks more like the new style hyundai tiburons then a S2000. *ducks flying bricks* I'm not quite sure why, but theres domething about the lights and the front end that jsut remind me of it. *ducks more bricks*

05-11-2002, 08:09 AM
guess what....


i wish...


its a hot lookin car lemme tell you that... and quick too

05-11-2002, 08:11 AM
viper 10

e-mail me some pics of your car pllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeassssssssssss sseeeeeeeeeeee


The DeViL
05-14-2002, 08:48 PM
I gotta say the GTS R version of the 2003 Viper looks 10x better then its Convertible counterpart. In my eyes the stripes, spoiler, hood, makes it almost like a totally different looking car. If they made the new Viper look like that GTS R, you wouldn't hear any complaints from me. :devil:

05-23-2002, 12:15 AM
Vipers are a great car

The DeViL
05-23-2002, 08:08 PM
Vipers are a great car

Thank you for that....insightful reply. You're right though, I hope someday I get to try one of those snakes out.

05-27-2002, 02:41 AM
The viper is a great car, but It's beter in yellow !!! :D

The PT Cruiser... :bandit:

05-27-2002, 06:38 PM
want to know what one of the uglyest cars is?

pt cruser

05-27-2002, 09:04 PM
its kinda funny...

that pic in that sig. that guy/girl must have paid a pretty penny to have that kit custom painted, and at the bottom of it it is all scraped up..

sucks to be him

06-03-2002, 02:00 AM
:confused: Alright,, How the hell did you guyz get pictures of my new Viper ?! :mad:

06-06-2002, 01:01 PM
a really great car, although i prefer the coupe 2003 version, i love the huge tale.......

Detroit Dodge Dude
06-13-2002, 01:16 AM
(second post!)

As great as the old Viper was, I like this one just as much. I have always thought Dodge had the best styling of any of the auto makers, and when they do something, they do it right. (new car designs, Ram SRT-10) Anyways, one day, I will own this along with my Ram SRT-10. hehe :D

06-25-2002, 11:18 PM
Actually dude, I believe it tops the 0-60 well over the vette.

I would just like to say for everyone to know, that I (me, Cassady Nall) have ridden in the 2003 Dodge Viper, and I approve of it with every cell in my body. I may be 16 years old (and also not allowed to drive the car because I might "do something stupid") and not know too much about cars, but god, this car has BALLS! I didn't get the whole show, because the car has 2 seats and my cousin who was driving it had a friend. But he took me a good mile down the road I live on and we must have gone 100 miles in a very small stretch of road. My god it was probably one of the most amazing days of my life. I must approve of the viper with every inch of car manliness I have. Good work Detroit, keep it up!!!!!

08-10-2002, 12:35 PM
I totally love the new Viper!!! The Viper is probably one of the HOTTEST cars out on the road, but I must say nothing beats the earlier body styles all those curves, it's like a well curved women :smoka: , I would like to see more curves in the new version but it's still HOT!!! ----- of course it beats out a Corvette first of all it comes with abour or around 500 HP STANDARD and it's a V-10 whereas the Vette is a V-8.

08-16-2002, 06:52 PM
FERRARI F50 TIRES ARE $1000:eek:

08-31-2002, 10:29 PM
here r some pics, i got these from the vca forum. They look better than the ones in MT, IMO

08-31-2002, 10:32 PM

08-31-2002, 10:35 PM
it only let me do 1 @ a time

09-04-2002, 10:30 PM
I found them!! they are out finally!

Price: $79,995
Miles Per Gallon: 10/20 mpg
Curb Weight: 3380 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual Engine
Type: V10
Displacement: 8277 cc
Horsepower: 500 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 525 lb-ft @ 4600 rpm
Redline: 6000 rpm
0-60 mph: 3.8 sec
0-100 mph: 8.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 11.9 sec @ 121 mph
Skidpad: 1.15g
Top Speed: 190+ mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: under 100 ft
Slalom Speed: 70.0 mph

Auburn Hills, Mich., Jan 18, 2002 -

The Dodge Viper has always been more than just a car. To enthusiasts, it represents the purest expression of free-spirited driving. For a re-emerging Chrysler Corporation, it heralded a new way of doing business, taking chances and stepping over the edge. To the industry, it served as a wake-up call that the Dodge brand would be the catalyst for change in automotive design throughout the 1990s.

Beneath its iconic imagery, the Dodge Viper has backed up its reputation with cold, hard numbers ? horsepower, torque, 0-60 mph, 1/4-mile, slalom, skid pad and top speed. Unlike the pseudo-sports cars, at Dodge, slick copy has never been a replacement for raw performance.

So when it came to writing the third chapter in the remarkable story of America's ultimate sports car, Dodge once again defied convention and built the all-new 2003 Viper lighter, faster and more powerful than ever.

This chapter's subhead echoes the enthusiast mantra:

There's No Replacement for Cubic Displacement

"When we introduced the first Viper, we set the principles that would forever define the car -- obscene performance, outrageous design and ultimate driver enjoyment," said Jim Julow, Vice President, Dodge Global Brand Center. "With this next chapter, we've stayed true to those principles in creating the next version of the ultimate American sports car."

The next chapter of Viper takes extreme performance further than Dodge has ever taken it before, reaching a Holy Grail of sorts for those worshiping the religion of extreme automotive performance. The Dodge Viper will become the only production car in the world to develop at least 500 horsepower, 500 lb.-ft of torque and feature an engine with more than 500 cubic-inches of displacement.

"When you want to increase the capability of a high-performance car, there are three basic areas you can change: increase the power, reduce the weight or improve the handling," said Larry Lyons, Vice President, Small Car Platform Engineering for DaimlerChrysler. "For the new Viper, we did all three."

The Viper once again underscores the core philosophies of the Dodge brand by being the ultimate automotive icon for extreme performance and extreme attitude.

500/500/500 Performance

Bring back the big blocks!

With performance upgrades that will increase its displacement from 488 to 505 cu. in. and push its V-10 power output to a whopping 500 horsepower and 500 lb.-ft. of torque, Viper has no equal on the road.

The 8.3-liter all-aluminum big-block engine drives wide 19-inch rear wheels and anchors a performance package that eschews technical gimmickry in favor of traditional engineering virtues. The spirit of America's muscle cars lives within the Dodge Viper.

Race-bred Chassis

In creating the next chapter of Dodge Viper, the mission was to enhance its unfiltered blend of performance.

Viper retains a traditional front-engine, rear-wheel drive layout with six-speed manual transmission. The commitment was made early on to use a racing-style chassis including fully independent four-wheel suspension, wide tires and wheels for maximum grip and massive brakes for stopping power.

A new version of the Viper's four-wheel anti-lock disc brake system, originally introduced for the 2001 model year, will be enhanced on this next-generation car.

Body by Dodge

With styling cues derived from the Dodge Viper GTS/R concept car first shown at the 2000 North American International Auto Show, the all-new 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 convertible packs an outrageous new design into a low-slung roadster shell.

Lowered hood lines, swept-back fenders and deep-cut side scallops take their cues from the classic original, yet bring the Viper into the 21st century. Improved aerodynamics and a partial undertray add functional performance enhancements.

Viper's visceral lines speak volumes of the passion that Dodge designers bring to their craft. The new Viper gives enthusiasts an American sports car that remains true to the credo of pure performance.

Interior Fits Drivers Like a Glove

The next chapter of Dodge Viper continues to set the definition of extreme, yet features greater levels of refinement and finish.

Viper retains its essence -- its Viperness --while taking natural steps forward. A race-derived two-seat cockpit looks over a highly functional instrument panel with center-mounted tachometer and a 220 mile-per-hour speedometer, giving a clue as to the production car's top-speed potential. A traditional push-button starter refires old-time sports car memories.

There's no mistaking that the driver is in command at Viper's helm. Viper is the automotive equivalent of a jet fighter, and at the pilot's control, launches off the line like a Hornet off a carrier catapult.

Viper Redefines the Convertible

The new Viper has a new roofline profile with an easy-to-operate drop top. The Dodge Viper was initially introduced with a full-width sport bar that brought open-air motoring to the Dodge lineup. The second chapter of Viper history was written when an all-new GTS Coupe was added in 1996, and added classic gran tourismo styling to match the car's prodigious performance capabilities.

The new Viper's bi-fold clamshell top with single center latch now makes it a true convertible, and harks back to a time when sports cars delivered serious performance capabilities and stood for untamed freedom.

True to the Mission

Team Viper set out five goals in creating the next generation car:

* Preserve Viper's standing as the ultimate American sports car
* Build a true convertible version that provides better convenience yet retains the original roadster feel
* Refine the original shape without losing it's "outrageous design"
* Raise the benchmark for "unmatched performance"
* Maintain the back-to-basics approach from the original Viper

"With its dramatic styling, 500/500/500 performance and modern racing legacy, the Dodge Viper is unlike any other car on the road and expresses a style and attitude only Dodge could deliver," Julow said. "Viper has earned the title of Ultimate American Sports Car."

The Dodge Viper will go on sale in September 2002 as a 2003 model. It will be built at DaimlerChrysler's Conner Avenue Assembly Plant in Detroit, Michigan.

Auburn Hills, Jul 17, 2002 -

Chrysler Group today announced pricing for the all-new 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 convertible. The 500 horsepower, 525 lb.-ft of torque, 505 cu. in. V-10 super car will carry a Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $79,995 (plus $800 destination) when it begins arriving in dealerships around the first of October, 2002.

Featuring more than 100 updates and improvements versus its predecessor, the 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 has been sold out since January, months before the first cars begin arriving in dealerships. A choice of colors -- Viper red, silver or black -- is the only decision owners will need to make; there is no optional equipment on the car. Prices for 2002 models ranged from $71,725 for the RT-10 Roadster to $82,225 for the GTS ACR Coupe (not including $775 destination).

The 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 represents the third chapter in the vaunted history of the icon, following the original 1992 Viper RT/10 roadster and the 1996 Viper GTS coupe.

"With the 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10, we've remained true to the original Viper mission," said Darryl Jackson, Vice President, Dodge Marketing. "We've created -- elevated, actually -- the ultimate American sports car. Dodge engineers have clearly improved and refined the Viper, all the while keeping its outrageous design and road presence -- its 'Viperness.'"

In developing the new Viper, Dodge engineers sought feedback from key constituencies -- particularly owners -- on what the 2003 version should be. The replies included more horsepower, bigger brakes, lighter weight, true convertible top operation, a dead pedal and greater interior comfort. The new Viper SRT-10 delivers all, and a lot more, preserving its true American sports car heritage along the way.


The 2003 SRT-10 retains Viper's front-engine, rear-wheel drive, two-seat layout. A true convertible model replaces roadster and coupe offerings. Its wheelbase has been lengthened 2.6 inches to accommodate convertible top stowage.

Dramatic styling cues include lowered hood lines, swept-back fenders and deep-cut side scallops, reminiscent of the original, yet giving the Viper a fresh look. Inside, from a race-derived, two-seat cockpit, the driver looks over a highly functional instrument panel with a center-mounted tachometer and a 220-mph speedometer. A traditional pushbutton starter refires old-time sports car memories.

The Viper V-10 engine retains the basic architecture of its predecessor, but otherwise it is virtually all new -- and more powerful than ever. A new bored and stroked engine block increases the Viper's displacement from 488 to 505 cu. in. and sends its power output to 500, with 525 lb.-ft. of torque -- 90 percent of which is delivered between 1500 and 5600 rpm.

Viper's four-wheel independent aluminum suspension has been revised to handling characteristics, and a new version of Viper's four-wheel anti-lock disc brake system is enhanced for world-class stopping performance. The new Viper rides on P275/35ZR18 front and P345/30ZR19 rear black sidewall Michelin zero pressure (ZP) tires, with low-pressure sensors in the valve stems.

Reduced weight -- along with increased power -- is one of the two most effective means by which a car's performance can be enhanced. Overall, the SRT-10 weighs approximately 100 pounds less than previous models. Numerous weight-saving measures were taken, including use of a one-piece magnesium front of dash, a cast magnesium instrument panel substructure, and aluminum bodied shock absorbers.

Performance targets for the 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 include a 0-60 mph time of less than four seconds, an estimated top speed of 190 mph, 60-0 mph braking in less than 100 feet, 0-100-0 mph in about 13 seconds, and 1.15g lateral acceleration.

Engineered by Chrysler Group's Performance Vehicle Operations (PVO), the 2003 Viper is the first Dodge to carry the SRT (for Street and Racing Technology) badge. The Dodge SRT lineup will represent some of the most outrageous products ever developed by DaimlerChrysler, and SRT-branded vehicles will be the fastest cars in their segment. Additional SRT vehicles destined for production within the next calendar year include Dodge SRT-4 and the Dodge Ram SRT-10.

09-04-2002, 10:44 PM
After reading those spec's I remember why the Dodge Viper is one of the ultimate sports car ever created!! I can't wait to own one!!! ;)

10-03-2002, 09:47 AM
And some people still thinking the mustangs and corvettes are better than a pure race car like Viper...

V8 5.0L or 5.7L vs v10 8L...

stock barbie chasis vs race proven space frame???

What a fool :flipa: :flipa:

Please don't compare, this is the American Sports Car, and is the ONLY ONE who can eat ferraris and porsches for breakfast!

10-05-2002, 11:39 AM
Please don't compare, this is the American Sports Car, and is the ONLY ONE who can eat ferraris and porsches for breakfast!
Dont make me laugh... The Viper is too cumbersome and its handling and poise comes nowhere near that of any Ferrari or Porsche built in the last 10 years. In a straight line it will leave most cars behind but if thats what matters to its owner, then he's truly a 1-dimensional fool.
Whats an 8l engine, for christ's sake?!?!?! Talk about overdoing it

10-05-2002, 12:59 PM
Say what you want about the first Viper, but you can't really be making assumptions about this new one right now. It hasn't had much if any, chances to compete against other brands of cars.

10-06-2002, 03:06 PM
I was referring mainly to the old Viper, though you make a fair point, i'll give the new one time and opportunities to prove itself.
The capacity excess comment still stands though. If they insist on making it 8l+, i want 600bhp at the very very least...

just my penny's worth

10-06-2002, 05:28 PM
I imagine some day you might see a Viper come stock with 600 hp. 500 horsepower is a lot from the factory. Hehe companies just keep going up and up in power its great. They don't even care about getting carried away. It makes me feel like something is going to happen one day, and we're going to end up with 120 hp V8's and shit like you saw in the 70's and early 80's.

10-07-2002, 01:58 PM
500 bhp is a lot, but 8l is major excess... that was my point....

leaving all that behind, i sure as hell hope i will never see a company offer a 120bhp V8! That's atrocious! Even for a V6 120bhp is nothing... Im curious, what cars had such underpowered large engines?

10-07-2002, 03:35 PM
Leaving all of what behind? Look technology changed quite a bit because of government regulations. The engines were forced to run on low octane gas instead of 100+ octane the old carb. cars used to be able to run on. Cars were equiped with catalytic converters to prevent less smog and protect the environment. Those converters make you lose power quite a bit. Lots has changed, and to get 500 horsepower and still be able to run on 96 octane, thats amazing.

Take a look at this. It's not 120 hp but its bad enough for a 350 Cubic Inch V8.

Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 8.2 to 1
Horsepower- 190
Torque lbs-ft- 280
Carburetor- 4 barrel

Guess what car this was? A 1981 Corvette. A Corvette with 190 horsepower, now how pathetic is that? And it's a V8. My truck has close to the amount of power this Corvette is pushing.

10-16-2002, 12:40 PM
I agree the new viper doesn't look bad at all but i will choose the old one if i have enough money to get one. for me i think the old one is better, much better

11-13-2002, 09:56 AM
I definately have to agree with chopstick on that although i do think that the 2001-2002 viper look beautiful:D

11-15-2002, 03:09 PM
Ditto chopstick

Menu dei Motori
11-26-2002, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Viper 10


The Germans do EVERYTHING better, right? Yeah right, the Germans completely F_cked up

that i didn´t hear :mad:

Menu dei Motori
11-26-2002, 11:53 AM
sorry i was so angry that i forgot to say...
the viper is a absolute great supercar
i love it! for me it´s the best american supercar!

11-26-2002, 02:13 PM
True. It doesnt have much competition though

01-05-2003, 02:42 PM
i like the 2003 viper.;)

01-10-2003, 10:02 PM
the viper Srt-10 does a 1/4mi in about 11.9 and the new cobra at 15psi at a recent mustang shootout has been run by PaulSvinicki and has clipped off an 11.6 in the 1/4 mile and we aren't talkin about using slicks either. $79K--SRT 10 vs. $35K coupe = wow. Sounds like someone is getting ripped :p

01-11-2003, 02:37 AM
it probably does faster then that. If the 450 hp Viper could do 11.9, this thing probably does 11.7 or .8. Maybe even better who knows, we'll just have to see someone do it first.

new cobra at 15psi at a recent mustang shootout has been run by PaulSvinicki and has clipped off an 11.6
It's forced air induction on a V8, of course its fast as hell. 15 psi is a lot of boost power. Viper is doing close to those times without a supercharger so big deal. Don't bring up the cost bullshit again. If I had a lot of money and was able to afford a Viper I wouldn't give a damn what Ford has to offer with their supercharged vehicles. Mustangs are everywhere, Vipers aren't. The car is fast as hell, looks great, handles good, and it's something not seen everyday, I would buy it.

If I was dead serious about drag racing the car, I obviously have enough money to afford parts for it since I'm able to afford the Viper in the first place. I would buy low compression pistons, camshafts, all that good stuff to make it fully blown like a Cobra. So then after spending about 6-8 grand extra on a supercharger and intercooler, I got a car that is in the 10's on around 9 psi. Crank it up even more to like 15 or 20, I got a car doing 9's most likely. Not only that I'm going to need slicks. Which means I gotta rip out the independent suspension in the rear, and put some old stiff Chrysler rear end in it, not only have I just burnt a big hole in my pocket but I just killed the Viper's handling quite a bit. Expensive? Yeah, but since when is drag racing cheap? Why would I do that though, drag race a $80,000 car? Just spent all that money on a car, it's pushing like 900hp and now its barely streetable and I don't get to have fun with it because if just tap the gas I'm 50 miles down the road. It's cool to have a car that fast but its a waste if you don't get to enjoy that power on the road.

Whats your point? That the Cobra is more worth the money and the Viper isn't? The Cobra is worth every bit of the money. Anytime you can get a car with a supercharger, forged internal parts so you can crank it up to more boost then what the factory gives it, thats awesome. Thats one hell of a deal. The Supra is another car in that category. But look at what the Viper is compared to. It's a rich man's car so they compare this car to Corvettes and high dollar cars like Ferrari and Lamborghini. One of those 360 Modena cars with the V8 produce like 390 hp and it costs you like $200k. Now you got the Viper with a V10 that produces 500 horsepower for only $80k. Which is the better buy? Both are hand built so you can't say its the quality of the car. Naturally the Viper is. The Cobra and Viper are in a different category, so stop comparing them.

01-11-2003, 03:11 PM
the Viper is overpriced. Its not an exotic-----beauty is in the eye of the beholder------and the new vipers-----aren't breathtaking like the 94-95s. Mustangs are everywhere-------but u don't see Cobras as often as you'd like to imply. The viper has a big block V-10 - and with the small block V-8 plus blower--------well---I say its definetely fare when comparing engines. Let's see Dodge send out a blown or turboed Viper out for mass production in the 1000s----don't think we'll see one. I really question your knowledge on other cars. I say that because it is very easy to take the current 03 cobra-----swap some suspension parts-----and easily come in way below the $80 Viper sticker---and exceed the 03s performance. If you think thats bullshit-----then you don't know about the aftermarket technology out there for stangs. The 03 is every bit as fast as the current Viper-----and its engine has the forged internals to handle up to 20 lbs boost. So I really don't think the Viper is in such a league of its own. The 03 Cobras are just as beautiful as the Vipers---if not more. Its all good though, because Cobra owners who actually have mods beyond an air filter and catback---no exactly what we have in our aftermarket to give our snakes serious bite. You can have your 900 hp so you can fill your empty pants-----but an 03 can be top dog over a Viper any given day.

01-11-2003, 05:47 PM
The viper has a big block V-10 - and with the small block V-8 plus blower--------well---I say its definetely fare when comparing engines.
Not really, its pretty easy to get power out of forced air induction even with a small engine. Hell I can get this supercharger and intercooler for my S-10 that will put it at 350-360 hp on stock internal parts, 10 psi of boost. I don't even have to change the pistons or anything and I got a truck that has enough power to run with V8 Camaro's. It will also last as well, like the Cobra, the 4.3L V6 is cast-iron. Jumping from around 190-200 to 360 hp, not bad for $4,000. Now if I wanted to buy the internal parts and make it handle 20 psi, I could probably beat a Viper as well.

Let's see Dodge send out a blown or turboed Viper out for mass production in the 1000s
Thats putting out a little too much power for a standard car to buy don't you think? A 1000 hp thats hardly streetable, that wouldn't sell at all so of course they won't do that. A 1000hp car as well, I can imagine the price tag on a car with that much power.
Its not an exotic
What defines exotic? Exotic when it comes to cars, I've always thought it to mean, high powered, high price tag vehicle, very rare to see on the road, and is sold all over the world. Does the Viper not fit that category? As for your comment about the looks, you're saying that as a Ford fan, many people who like imports and domestics from all brands are going to disagree with that.

Besides cranking up the Cobra's psi level, I'd like to also know what else you can do to the vehicle to make it faster when it comes to modifying the engine. You already got some of the best internal parts for a supercharger, so what else is there that you could improve on the engine on the Cobra?

I really question your knowledge on other cars. I say that because it is very easy to take the current 03 cobra-----swap some suspension parts
Really, you're going to insult me because I don't know whats available for a Cobra in the aftermarket? And what do you know about the aftermarket of a Viper? There are also suspension parts that can be changed in the Viper, you ever see that rear end Viper 10 posted on this forum? It might be in this topic. It's not like the Viper doesn't have an aftermarket supply as well you know. You keep trying to compare a stock car vs a modified car, thats not exactly fair.

01-11-2003, 07:08 PM
15 psi to a Viper with 8.5:1 compression heads and such, would make it quite undriveable. Devil has explained a lot, and has done a good job doing so, but you keep fighting, it really shows that your a little jealous ford fan boy. like Devil said, Vipers aren't something you see everyday, up until i went to Vegas i had never seen on in person, hell i see Mustangs everyday, they're not sumthin i look at for more than a flash of a second.

dyno graph of an SRT-10 versus a dyno graph of a SVT Cobra, believe me there are a lot of differences

i have not yet seen a dyno graph of either, but i read that the torque curve of the Viper is flat as the deck of an aircraft carrier. now imagine that 525 lb-ft of torque throughout most of the rpm range, thats impressive, the Mustangs engine is not impressive. 4.6 liter supercharged engine. wow. now, if Dodge/Chrysler made a DOHC Viper engine with the same supercharger and psi of the cobra, can you even imagine the power it would make?? it'd be nothing short of awesome. Wasn't the GTS-R's engine a DOHC v-10, and it made 700 hp and 705 lb-ft of torque, man that thing put shame the to Mclaren F1 for 20% of the price

01-11-2003, 07:20 PM
also take a look at the Viper's gear ratios, tranny/rear diff. It's also got better brakes, and quite a bit lighter, like 500 lbs.

01-11-2003, 08:09 PM
u sound like a guy who creams his drawers to Viper posters at night---trying to go tit for tat. Its still a 10 cylinder big block vs. a small block 8 cylinder with forced induction. Dodge chooses to go N/A---ford goes blower----its still horsepower----there are so many 'slow' people like you on this board----that think because an engine is blown----its unfair, or whatever. The problem is Dodge fans don't want to hear of anything when cars catch up. I could care less whether you agree-----The current cobra can make more power for about $46K less------and is as mean a machine as the Viper. But you viper guys will just keep flapping your mouth--because you finally feel proud that you can say Dodge with your head held up high. Just to reiterate--I never put the Viper down, just simply explained how the CURRENT cobra can make more power with its CURRENT drivetrain. But i'm sure know is where you'll start serenating the board with your girly The viper this, the Viper that . . . blah blah blah :silly2:

01-11-2003, 08:19 PM
Vortec if you want to flame other cars go in the ford forum. What are you trying to prove that the new corbra is the best car in the world? Man get a life and wake up there are other cars out there much better that the cobra and the viper is one of them. If you want to make a price ratio comparison that is a different story. But stap flaming for cring out loud. Look even Devil suports the viper and obviously he's a Chevy guy. How come he can see the advantages of other cars and you cannot?

01-11-2003, 08:24 PM
you don't read posts---------and you need to get a life because you follow me around the threads----like some love sick doofus. None of my posts ever bad mouthed the Viper's performance. Simply pointed out that it has been caught up too. Listen, I'll blow you a kiss---not please stop following me around the threads----I have agirl---and you're not gettin my number.

Stay away from me you nasty bastard. Now I'm flaming you---cause your pestering me like some blood hungry mosquito.

'Cause devil this, Devil that,-----stop kissing ass---be your own man.
:monkeypis Piss face.

01-11-2003, 08:50 PM
Could it be that maybe I like to hang around the viper thread too?instead of stalking you. I just want to find some tread about some cars that you are not flaming and saying how much greater you car is cuz that all your posts are.

01-11-2003, 08:57 PM
put up a direct quote where I say: that my car is better. Let's see it. Go dig----and please post. I know you won't post it-----because it doesn't exist. I bet your next reply will be----"I got better things to do than look through your psots for that quote"

And thats because you are fabricator (in your terms--a liar). You want to make all kinds of accusations------but they are based on total BS. I've read your posts--------on a lot of threads------and you contribute more junk---and just such generalizations about things that aren't true----that they should open up a new thread just for you titled: "Come in here if you want to hear tech talk that I get in direct transmission from the probe in my asshole"


01-12-2003, 12:27 AM
Ok lets see: you own a cobra and you say that cobras are the best cars compared even with a viper aparently.I say that qualifies as saying that your car is better.

Should i sumarise your posts too: Ok lets see-- The cobra has a forged enngine that can take very high psi numbers making it very fast. Also you can upgrade the suspension in the cobra to outhandle pretty much everything. Have you said anything else in those 100 posts of your NO the same thing over and over with the exception of flaming me and a few other people directly when asked to tone it down. That to me is NOT a forum member that really contributes anything since all your post can be sumarised into one.

01-12-2003, 12:40 AM
Vortech, you prove with every post that you are ignorant and rude. How do you expect anyone to listen to you and give you respect when all you do is flame them for not driving a Mustang, you are a damn fanboy and you are blinded by your closed mindedness. We are not following you around; we frequent all these forums long before you have been coming here.

1. The Viper is an exotic, because like Devil said, it is fast, rare, not mass produced, and might I also mention that they are built by hand, not by a machine. I would say it qualifies as being an exotic.

2. Put a blower on a Viper and what happens to the Mustang? Also, might I add that is easy to get 750HP out of a Viper without using any forced induction, let’s see you do that with a Mustang.

3. The problem with you is not that you are insulting the Viper; it is that you are forcing your Mustang garbage down everyone’s throat. I call it garbage because you have reiterated the same thing over and over and over that it has just become regurgitated and annoying. All you EVER talk about is adding 15PSI and building the rear end. That is all you ever talk about. And when you talk about the Mustang you always take o such a defense that you flame anyone with a contrasting opinion. It doesn't matter what thread it is, it is you talking about how your Mustang can beat everything on the planet. Honestly, it has gotten old. And please, constructive criticism, I can't say that enough; I have only seen a few of your posts that weren't insulting in some way.

I understand that you have a formidable car, but it is not the best, the best for you, but not everyone else. Some people don't like my taste in cars, namely the LeBaron. I understand that and I don't care, but I will defend it against ignorance. I am just asking that you lighten up man.

01-12-2003, 12:26 PM
again, you accuse me of saying things that I never said. Show me in one post---get me a direct quote---where I stated that a mustang cobra was better than a Viper. There isn't one post. All my posts stated was what could be done to a mustang to bring the handling and power up to the Vipers range. Is that stating that a Cobra is better???????????? I don't think it is. And you guys want to imply that and accuse of of your gayish flaming remarks. You guys are drawing conclusions from statements that were all about comparison. But as has been typical in the Viper forum-----other car owners can't point out how their car can be upgraded to match or exceed Viper's performance. You guys are the morons----because I've tested the shit on my car. I'm not talking about hypothetically. Its been done, I know what any Cobra is capable of-----but you Viper lovers----think your fricken car is a rocket ship or something. Thats aright though-----you guys talk about being behind monster power in a car---I actually sit behind it. I know plenty about the mustang and what can be done to it------because I apply the technology. You guys base your argument on on thing only! I'm calling you guys out for the stupidity that you exhibit back and forth---and you can't even defend your statements. YOu guys think that if Ford doesnt roll out a monster Cobra from Ford----that it can't have the handling and power that a Viper does. Dodge sends its Viper out the way it does-----because it has no choice-------no one connects performance and power with Dodge. lol An 03 can easily sit up top with a Viper. You guys sound so fuckin stupid most of time-------and I say this because you think no other manufacturer can build a suspension like one on the Viper LOL YOu guys don't know shit about what Fords aftermarket arms have developed---and thats why you can't fathom a cobra outperforming a Viper-----but we have the technology----and a few of us are willing to spend the extra money to get the extra performance. And lastly, we may have to dip into the aftermarket------but the aftermarket parts + the 03 cobra itself-----will still fall way short of the rediculous price that a Viper carries. The Viper isn't overpriced like a Lambo or Ferrari-------or Ashton Martin-----but it is overpriced. Shoot back with your retarded posts--------but if you looked intot he Ford aftermarket----you'd find that what I was saying is true. It just boils down to you guys not ever wanted to hear that the Viper has been caught up too. You guys sound so gay----because you don't know about the competitors technology. Ford will never put out a Cobra with a Vipers stock performance-------because it doesn't have to scrounge up a few extra dollars by jacking up the price. The mustang client base has been developed. Th evIper is a great car------but like I've said in every post-----the 03 comes with the foundation to meet or exceed Vipers performance ------ but u just have to dip into your pocket. And like I've said---------still falls way short of what u spend on a Viper. You should go out to California sometime------and let me tell you------the 03 Cobras are gawked at as much as the Vipers---------because too many they are better looking than a Viper-------and two others they arent'. I'm done arguing with retards who don't know shit about realife application. Thats the difference between us------I've applied the tech but you just fuckin read about it. WHICH IS A TYPICAL MAGAZINE RACER!!!!!!!!!!! See ya jerkoffs.


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