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JBL85
01-09-2002, 06:10 PM
yeha....it used 4 wheels, a engine and a body and has seating....big copy =)

Polygon
01-09-2002, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by JBL85
yeha....it used 4 wheels, a engine and a body and has seating....big copy =)

Hahaha, thats too good. :D :p

Jimmy2times
01-18-2002, 05:00 PM
Viper 10,
Do you mind me asking where you are from? what viper do you drive? I take it you much prefer the viper over the vette!! good thinking hehe

Viper 10
01-18-2002, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Jimmy2times
Viper 10,
Do you mind me asking where you are from? what viper do you drive? I take it you much prefer the viper over the vette!! good thinking hehe

Jimmy:

I live in Los Angeles (CA). At this point I prefer the Viper over anything else out there.

I am very excited about the Ford GT-40 and hope that Bob Lutz will do a massive makeover on the C6 Corvette Project that he has labelled "Viper Killer". My allegiance does not lie with a manufacturer, it lies with the company that produces the best performing car (that will also stir my emotions). The Viper and the GT-40 prototype do this for me (the current C5 does not).

Of course these are my personal tastes and opinions. I don't care for cars or manufacturers that compromise a cars performance to appease women and people with soft butts. GT cars do exactly that.

We now have 3 road racing venues in Southern Cal, and the weather is warming up again.

Brad

Jimmy2times
01-20-2002, 08:15 AM
brad,
nice! i just wondered cos i met a guy in florida ages ago, couldnt remember where he was from but he had his vette and viper down and he was telling me about his wife!! you just reminded me of him, That guy was cool though he let me take his viper for a quick spin!! sweeet
it was a black RT/10

Z06Lover
01-31-2002, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Prelude1897
That bitch is bad. I'd drive the hell out of it and get hella pussy. Girls would just cream in their pants after seeing one of those:D

so you can't get women without a car like that....that's sad

JBL85
01-31-2002, 03:45 PM
Yeah no shit, prelude, girls dont get off looking at a guys car, they got off at the idea you have money and they can suck u for it.....get a chick in a civic or something and then you know you can spit decent game....I drove a maxima junior year in high school and got plenty of chicks and even nailed one in it.

Koojo
01-31-2002, 03:53 PM
A nice car helps to get good girls, but you should be able to without the car. I drive a 00 Infiniti G20, and girls love that car, and I have also nailed a few in it, but I had a lot of girl friends before I even got that car. But overall a nice clean car is good, girls like that shit

JBL85
01-31-2002, 03:58 PM
I drive a Lexus now and I get less girls, so this weekend im going to get a Honda Accorn or see if I can get a 2002 Maxima....I have a GF too, so i guess thats why I get less girls hehe, anyways yeah nice car is fun to drive but its the wrong way to pick up chicks.

:frog:

Koojo
01-31-2002, 04:04 PM
Depends man, I picked up two chicks about a week ago in my car. I was just cruising around through downtown and they were waving at me so I pulled over and they come over. So its not just your car, its your style

Z06Lover
01-31-2002, 04:10 PM
i didn't buy a car to help me pick up chicks. any chick who would want to be with me to be seen in my car....isn't a girl I want around. There are lots of chicks in the world....I will pass on the attention seeking, money grubbing hookers.

JBL85
01-31-2002, 04:11 PM
Yeah its a little different down her in Cali, especially in my city.....you should see the cars in our parking lot, a Mercedes isnt impressive, the car that got the most attention was a Saleen mustang

ImportFreak
01-31-2002, 10:13 PM
a saleen mustang? oh man.. i hate mustangs.. no offense to anyone but its my opinion..

JBL85
02-01-2002, 04:48 AM
I dont like em much, but once I drove it I loved it....

RX7_4_Eva
02-01-2002, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Viper 10
Fried:

I live inManhattan Beach, CA (Southern Cal). The C4 is an '85 and is not for sale. It's got 156,000 miles of enjoyment. It was built up with some bolt-ons and taken back down to almost stock.

I still think that you should save your money and use it for driving school. I think that an engine upgrade like you are thinking of is a waste and could create handling and stopping issues. JMO.

I plan to give the Viper and the Vette to my kids.

Take care and be safe.

Brad

Manhattan Beach? I live in Redondo! Iv'e seen a blue Viper like yours driving around, maybe it's you...

JBL85
02-01-2002, 01:07 PM
RX7, I was just wondering, how reliable is yoru RX7...I never talked to anyone with one

Viper 10
02-01-2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by RX7_4_Eva


Manhattan Beach? I live in Redondo! Iv'e seen a blue Viper like yours driving around, maybe it's you...

RX:

There are only a couple of blue/white GTS's in the South Bay. It was probably me because I use mine as a daily driver. My license plate is VIPER 10. If you see me around, just wave me down.

Ruby's in Redondo Beach is starting to gather on saturday mornings from 7 to 9 in the morning. Maybe I'll see you around.

Take care and be safe.

Brad

taanku racing
02-05-2002, 10:30 AM
your guyzes are all rediculas, me and my buddies all got one and we go racing crazy up and down the streets! It's peckin' mint. We got all the hot snappers we can handle, and this car should get lots more. As far as the guy with the El Camino. My Dad's gots one of those ones, and it's all minted and chromed-up! My dad's the mintests. Your guyses are all dum.

Jack Leggs

Viper 10
02-05-2002, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by taanku racing
your guyzes are all rediculas, me and my buddies all got one and we go racing crazy up and down the streets! It's peckin' mint. We got all the hot snappers we can handle, and this car should get lots more. As far as the guy with the El Camino. My Dad's gots one of those ones, and it's all minted and chromed-up! My dad's the mintests. Your guyses are all dum.

Jack Leggs

I must be getting old, because I have no idea what you just said...

Brad:confused: :rolleyes:

Z06Lover
02-05-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Viper 10


I must be getting old, because I have no idea what you just said...

Brad:confused: :rolleyes:
Hey, I'm 24....and I don't consider that old....and I had no idea what he said either! :)

JBL85
02-05-2002, 09:57 PM
HAHA.....im 18 and lost about that =)

DMC12
02-08-2002, 03:04 PM
Hey I like the New Viper, and also VIPER 10's ride too:cool: The one thing I don't like, though, is the leg room. I considered a 2K Hennessey, but I just coudn't "fit" into the cockpit.

I heard a rumor that the pedals are adjustable. Is this true?

87AccordsterLX
02-21-2002, 12:45 AM
Brad!!! Hey I live in Manhattan Beach too!!! Vipers have been my favorite car for years and I would die to ride in one...... Maybe we can can meet up sometime...??? You wouldnt happen to live in the Village would you?? Because I lived there for a year and I saw a blue one just like yours every now and then... I live off Avation now near Artesia... Im leaving for college (Georgia) as soon as my senior year is over.. Im at Mira Costa right now.... You mentioned that you have kids... where do they go to school????

Viper 10
02-21-2002, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by 87AccordsterLX
Brad!!! Hey I live in Manhattan Beach too!!! Vipers have been my favorite car for years and I would die to ride in one...... Maybe we can can meet up sometime...??? You wouldnt happen to live in the Village would you?? Because I lived there for a year and I saw a blue one just like yours every now and then... I live off Avation now near Artesia... Im leaving for college (Georgia) as soon as my senior year is over.. Im at Mira Costa right now.... You mentioned that you have kids... where do they go to school????

Hi Nathan:

I do live across from Manhattan Village in Liberty Village (behind Trader Joe's). I would be happy to meet you and take you for a spin. You'll have to wait about 6 weeks, because I am having my engine crated and shipped back to Arrow Racing for a complete rebuild.

I use my Snake as a daily driver, so I am sure that you have seen me around town near Ralph's, Bristol Farms or at the Pier. I know of one other Snake in the area like mine in Redondo Beach (there is a guy who has a garage queen up in PV).

Drop me an email at bhchang@earthlink.net . I have to drive my beat up old Corvette until my engine comes back.

See you around. By the way, my kids are real young. My oldest is in 3rd grade at Meadows Elementary, and my daughter is in pre-school at American Martyrs.

Take care and be safe.

Brad

J_Spec_NiTeMaRe
02-21-2002, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by 87AccordsterLX
Brad!!! Hey I live in Manhattan Beach too!!! Vipers have been my favorite car for years and I would die to ride in one...... Maybe we can can meet up sometime...??? You wouldnt happen to live in the Village would you?? Because I lived there for a year and I saw a blue one just like yours every now and then... I live off Avation now near Artesia... Im leaving for college (Georgia) as soon as my senior year is over.. Im at Mira Costa right now.... You mentioned that you have kids... where do they go to school????


Nathan....

Talk about weird coincidences.... I live in Manhattan as well as you two. I go to Costa as a Sophomore. I think Iv'e seen you drive your accord out of the parking lot before. I live right across the strret from the school.

JBL85
02-21-2002, 10:15 PM
Brad, you have kids and drive a Viper, how does that work out....I couldnt drive my 300zx b/c my little sister hated sitting so low.....and that car is high compared to a viper.

Does your wife have a grocery getter?

Viper 10
02-21-2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by JBL85
Brad, you have kids and drive a Viper, how does that work out....I couldnt drive my 300zx b/c my little sister hated sitting so low.....and that car is high compared to a viper.

Does your wife have a grocery getter?

JB:

My wife does have the urban assault vehicle minivan. Ironically, I also have a C4 Corvette in the garage. I have an incredible wife who understands the importance of cars to me. She trusts me to do all of my fast driving on the road courses and not on the street. I am blessed.

My 3 kids are always fighting to get a ride in the Viper. My 3 year old boy is the biggest car fanatic around. They have all been on the race track with me, and have gone on several cruises.

While my Snake is out of commission for the next 6 weeks, I have been cruising in the old worn out C4. The kids like the targa roof. The Viper will be ready in time for the summer and track season.

See you guys around.

Brad

JBL85
02-21-2002, 11:59 PM
Sounds like you got it made......i will just hope I am over cars by the time I get older...I dont want to kill myself.

Viper 10
02-22-2002, 12:05 AM
I never got over cars. I've driven performance cars for my whole life and love it as much as I did when I was a kid. As I got older, the toys got more expensive, and I had less to prove.

I never was a street racer, so all of my time was on road courses. Refining my skills over the years and understanding my limits always makes things enjoyable.

I have 3 herniated disks in my back from my sports cars... I'll never give them up.

Take care and be safe.

Brad

87AccordsterLX
02-22-2002, 11:58 PM
I hope that's how it is for me... I love cars and I hope I never lose interest in them. Brad, I'll email you in a week or so to see whats going on and maybe we can meet up as soon as you get her back in one piece... J_Spec, What's your name?? That is pretty wierd that we go to the same school being that people from all over the world use this forum... Ya there are 2 other people besides myself with 87-88 accords at costa...but you can set mine apart rather easily...just listen for my intake/exhaust it's really loud. The only other kid that I could say would have one close to mine is this guy w/ a 90-93 accord white w/ rims. Its rather funny because whenever we see eachother we rev our engines purely to show off and to see who's is louder (I dont even know him). Its all good fun though. ONLY IF I HAD A VIPER!!!!!! lol...one day... When are you getting your integ? drop me an email nathan@ghalili.com... same to you Brad... It would be cool to talk cars w/ someone that actually has one worth talking about..lol..... If not I'll drop you one soon....
PEACE!!! :flash:

JBL85
02-23-2002, 03:18 AM
Its a small world after all :p

pismeov
02-26-2002, 01:46 AM
Viper10: "The germans completely f_cked up a healthy growing company like chrysler to pay off their crippling debt"

have you been buried under a rock or something? the chrysler group is losing money, not daimler-benz--even before daimlerchrysler came. now, as like back then, the mercedes brand is still making money--more so than ever before. the mitsubishi and chrysler brands, however, are losing money. chrysler still has the same problems it always had--mainly quality issues. they had this problem before daimler-benz came in, and they still have it now. and how can you associate the s-class with the intrepid? they look no where similar. name a part of the s-class that's anywhere near an intrepid. in fact, find someone else who thinks an s-class looks like an intrepid. you might as well say that the 3-series looks like a neon.

now, don't get me wrong, i think the new viper is nice--nicer than the old one, even. although the interior looks a bit cheap. the stereo looks like it's been lifted right off the grand cherokee (or a dodge caravan, for that matter), the overall quality of the interior seems a bit tacky for a car of its intended price range. but overall, it's an improvement. and if that's what you think, then that's about all i'll agree with you.

87AccordsterLX
02-26-2002, 03:20 AM
well you are definitly entittled to your opinion... all I have to say is that for a car to have 450hp and 490 lb/ft tourqe give or take a lilttle.. it doesnt need to have a 4 star interior... if you pull up next to a viper at a red light.. your interior doesnt seem to hold much weight anymore.. not to mention the fact that every interior is capable of a little modifacation... it's easyier to buy a stereo than it is to buy a 8.0 liter v10... and with top speeds of 190+ mph your not really thinking about your interior as much as you are about every car bluring by... sorry Im just a big time dodge fan and I think you have to give more credit to them then that....

saver83
02-26-2002, 01:46 PM
Well hehe...
Ima add my two cents here I guess.
Personally, I don't like the new Viper like I like the Gen1 and Gen2 ones.
But that doesn't mean that I don't droool on this picture as if I was leaking. For sure not. I like the car.
But the "original" Viper is a lot more masculine (the usual phallus shape like on all good cars: E-Type, Maranello, Viper etc.) and these curves...
Wow... I mean, the new "Snake" has the long hood as well, but it doesn't look muscular due to the lack of curves in the body's shape. The old one looks like a trained male body with a good six-pack (no, not the one you drink, the one you get when you DON'T drink) and all.
And that Passat driver's comment really puts again a bad light on Germans. I mean, it's okay if he doesn't like, but wow... For no reason? FUCKIN UGLY or sth... Wow... What a good argumentation.
Im german too, and I hope I won't get a reply like that passat dude got from Viper 10 (high five, m8, you got it right with your cars and all). I dont see no reasons for that atm, too. :)
So... Yea, I have to agree that I don't think the S-Class looks like an Intreprid tho. S-Class looks better... But... There are a lot of crappy german cars, too, so the German cars are not always better.
I only have TWO german cars on my wish-list, too:
These are: AUDI S8 and AUDI RS4.

Peace out, doods!

JBL85
02-26-2002, 04:27 PM
Yeah american and german cars aint all that.....its all about the imports.....reliability and speed in one.... :D

Viper 10
03-01-2002, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by pismeov
Viper10: "The germans completely f_cked up a healthy growing company like chrysler to pay off their crippling debt"

have you been buried under a rock or something? the chrysler group is losing money, not daimler-benz--even before daimlerchrysler came. now, as like back then, the mercedes brand is still making money--more so than ever before. the mitsubishi and chrysler brands, however, are losing money. chrysler still has the same problems it always had--mainly quality issues. they had this problem before daimler-benz came in, and they still have it now. and how can you associate the s-class with the intrepid? they look no where similar. name a part of the s-class that's anywhere near an intrepid. in fact, find someone else who thinks an s-class looks like an intrepid. you might as well say that the 3-series looks like a neon.

now, don't get me wrong, i think the new viper is nice--nicer than the old one, even. although the interior looks a bit cheap. the stereo looks like it's been lifted right off the grand cherokee (or a dodge caravan, for that matter), the overall quality of the interior seems a bit tacky for a car of its intended price range. but overall, it's an improvement. and if that's what you think, then that's about all i'll agree with you.
Pissy:

Since when does anyone buy a Viper for it's amenities and the quality of the interior? If you want cupholders and pretty cushy interiors, go buy a Corvette, NSX or Porsche. Your comments sound more like a jealous person, than that of a sports car enthusiast.

I believe that the unfriendly takeover of Chrysler by Daimler was the worse thing that could have ever happened to this blossoming American icon.

First off, boy wonder Bob Eaton ousted Bob Lutz before the merger, who happened to be credited as the visionary at Chrysler (and the only Chrysler exec who spoke and understood German because of his time with BMW). Lutz is now in a position to kick the crap out of DC at GM.

Secondly, the reason for the takeover was because Chrysler was a cash cow (with over $100 million in the bank at the time of the merger), and Daimler was on the verge of bankruptcy (insolvency). The result of the merger was that Daimler paid off a significant portion of the debt, and sold Chysler's soul in the process.

Thirdly, I would not call this a merger of companies when every significant senior exec from Chrysler left the company within a year of the merger. The German's cannot stand the management style of the Americans, and it shows.

Forth, the quality of Daimler is highly overrated. DC's quality since the merger has gotten worse, than what Chrysler was doing before... what happened to German quality? It's all marketing.

I believe that Daimler actually hurt Chrysler's racing program. The Nascar effort was committed to long before the meger. DC dropped the Viper racing program at the peak of it's dominance, and replaced it with an okay LMP effort (probably because the Chrysler LMP directly competed with the MB LMP cars). DC fired Team Oreca (who went undefeated in the Vipers of 2 1/2 seasons of Le Mans and ALMS racing (with 3 consecutive wins at Le Mans-Daytona-Sebring). Never has an American manufacturer been this dominant. Where are they now? Absolutely invisible, with no plans in the future of campaigning the Viper or any other Chrysler product in these series'. I think that what Daimler did to the racing effort has been pathetic. The only upside was their Nascar effort.

You will find that this was a merger of similar companies, rather than complimentary companies. I understand that there are taalks going on about taking Chrysler private again.

Read the book called "Taken For A Ride...How Daimler-Benz Drove Off With Chrysler" (by Vlasic and Stertz). It will tell you the painful truth about this marriage.

Brad

87AccordsterLX
03-01-2002, 06:29 PM
Very well put Brad.... Let me know when you think you'll be expecting to have her back together and we'll meet for lunch or something... you did say 6 weeks right.. think they'll finish earlier???? Hey we are going to race right...LOL... my 115hp vs. your what 460...??... I think I can take you...lol...... hey a 6 cyclinder difference is nothing.... hehe.... take care... :D

J_Spec_NiTeMaRe
03-01-2002, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by 87AccordsterLX
... J_Spec, What's your name?? That is pretty wierd that we go to the same school being that people from all over the world use this forum... Ya there are 2 other people besides myself with 87-88 accords at costa...but you can set mine apart rather easily...just listen for my intake/exhaust it's really loud. The only other kid that I could say would have one close to mine is this guy w/ a 90-93 accord white w/ rims. Its rather funny because whenever we see eachother we rev our engines purely to show off and to see who's is louder (I dont even know him). Its all good fun though. ONLY IF I HAD A VIPER!!!!!! lol...one day... When are you getting your integ? drop me an email nathan@ghalili.com... same to you Brad... It would be cool to talk cars w/ someone that actually has one worth talking about..lol..... If not I'll drop you one soon....
PEACE!!! :flash:


My name is Brandon. I know it's kinda weird that we go to the same school. Just today I saw the other person with the white accord and rims outside woodshop during 5th. If I can't find a GSR by this summer, then I will probably get a 94 or 96 4.6 Mustang and supercharge it (they respond VERY well to boost). Maybe I'll see you around.

87AccordsterLX
03-01-2002, 07:38 PM
Ya those mustangs are quick cars but I think you should really try hard to get that GSR.... There are so many things you can do to an Acura that you couldnt do to a Mustang... Sure it goes both ways but it's my opinion that you'll have way more fun working on a GSR then you will with a Mustang.... Hey where do you usually hang out at during break/lunch.. I think I know who you are but Im not sure..... anyways check out autotrader.com and even ebay.. I'm sure you'll find one pretty quick if you keep at it.... How much are you looking to pay for it??

J_Spec_NiTeMaRe
03-01-2002, 10:47 PM
During Snack I usually stay by the soda machines by the gym, but sometimes wander. At lunch, I hang out right by the exit of the cafeteria closest to the teachers eating place. About halfway through, I walk with soke of my friends to the locker hall by the swimming pool.

I am slightly biased towards imports as opposed to muscle, but I think that if I can't find a GSR around $6500 or so, then a Mustang would be a much better choice than an Integra LS. I know I could do the LS-VTEC swap, but it doesnt really seem worth it...

Youre a junor, right? You know a senior named Dereck Paulsen?

87AccordsterLX
03-02-2002, 01:05 AM
Nah.. I'm a senior.. and the name sounds familiar... Im sure that If I saw him I would recognise him.... what kind of car does he drive??? I just searched autotrader.com and I found 16 listings of 95 integs from $4000-$7000 and half of them are under $6500...all of them in the area... You should check it out.... ya if you decide to go 4 imports dont do any engine swaps unless you buy the car for cheap w/ a bad engine.... Well either way they're both good cars... my cousin and 3 of my friends have mustangs and they love them so either way you'll be happy... your a sophamore right...?? do you know my friend Corrine Lee...?? She hangs out by the teachers lounge too...

J_Spec_NiTeMaRe
03-02-2002, 02:36 PM
I have been looking at autotrader.com for a while and can only find Integra LS's. I can find plenty of Mustangs though. I don't think I know your friend, but I have heard her name. Dereck doen't have a car, but will get a Cvic soon. What color is your Accord?

87AccordsterLX
03-02-2002, 07:13 PM
My Accords a dark blue color... Im getting it painted soon (most likely black).. I have a 4th gen. accord spoiler on the way so that should be on in 2-3 weeks.... I'm saving up for tires(205/40-16) and rims (O.Z. superleggera) as well as a full body kit (kaminari)....drop 2.25 inch... along with some other things... Im thinking the entire thing with be done around the end of summer break...

th0nng
03-11-2002, 03:58 AM
I dont usually make fun of other peoples posts but I couldnt help this time I even signed up just so I could. Someone needs to sit the person down and show him some pictures of Camaros and Vettes. I own a Camaro and my dad owns a Corvette and I can tell you that the new Viper looks nothing like either one.

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I think the Viper engineers should get the hell out of the wind tunnell. Its a good think Larry Shinoda passed away so he didnt have to see such an ugly car. -> The 2003 Viper in general looks like a cheap knock off of the Camaro. <-The bubbly front looks like a Dodge Dakota and ->the rear just ends like the new Vette.<- rom the side the car looks like an ironing board and from the top it looks like a tug boat. It has absolutely no nice lines. The Viper was a beutiful car, they really screwed up a good thing. I've seen Miata's that look nicer than the new Viper. We can only pray that Dodge realizes this before 2003.
-Pat"

crayzayjay
03-17-2002, 08:46 AM
Viper 10>
There is not a single factory (including Porsche and Ferrari) that can match Chrysler's dominance in racing (ala NASCAR, NHRA and more recently Le Mans and ALMS)
you sound like you know vipers very well, but that statement just doesnt hold, im sorry. Porsche has the most successful racing history of all time, thats a fact. i wouldnt call chrysler a more dominant racing firm than ferrari either....
and for what its worth, the new viper looks ok , but not a patch on the old one... oh ya, and if someone drives a passat or regular car, it doesnt take away their right to call ANY car ugly if they think it is.. like i said, i dont think the new viper is spectacular, and i dont drive a supercar... its just my opinion

cheers,
jay

Viper 10
03-17-2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
Viper 10>

you sound like you know vipers very well, but that statement just doesnt hold, im sorry. Porsche has the most successful racing history of all time, thats a fact. i wouldnt call chrysler a more dominant racing firm than ferrari either....
and for what its worth, the new viper looks ok , but not a patch on the old one... oh ya, and if someone drives a passat or regular car, it doesnt take away their right to call ANY car ugly if they think it is.. like i said, i dont think the new viper is spectacular, and i dont drive a supercar... its just my opinion

cheers,
jay

Jay:

While I consider myself a road racer more than anything else, I have to correct you on your assessment of Porsche or Ferrari's racing dominance. You can trace Porsche's success in spurts during 50's 70's and part of the 80's. Porsche was getting it's butt handed to them through the 90's and to date. They were getting beaten so badly that they rigged their own challenge series and dropped down in classes in Le Mans IMSA and dropped out of Trans Am. The dominance that was being referred to has more to do about being a dominant powerplant as compared to the dominance by a manufacturer, as much as anything else.

Ferrari is race bred engineering. They had huge successes in the 50's and 60's. They were by no means competitive in any other series other than F1. They have only returned to a dominant position in F1 because of Schumacher and the addition of EFI traction control systems (replacing their home grown Italian fuel management/ignition system). They have not dominated the F1 series or any other series like Mopar.

On the other hand, NHRA has been dominated by Mopar since its inception in the 50's. Their Hemi powerplants continue to this day as being the best and most efficient engine in the history of drag racing. Look at every famous driver and you will find a Mopar behind them. Garlits, Prudhome, McEwan, Muldowney, Bernstein, Force...they ALL run Mopar. They may run other manufacturers bodies, but they all run Mopar powerplants.

Their track record in Nascar is almost as dominant. Since the inception of the stock car (which by the way began in the South with moonshine runners) the Dodge has been the dominant powerplant of choice. Ask anyone that follows Nascar history and the will tell you that Mopar has been there and been banned in every generation of the series. Do you realize that Chevy and Ford both have tried (to no avail) to copy the Hemi designs? Ford actually got a Boss 429 to the track and raced before they were banned. No other powerplant can get more power and durability than the Mopars. Mopars had cars that were modified going well over 230 mph in the 60's with the Superbirds on bias ply tires! Only in the last 10 years has Ford and Chevy become competitive in the series (by banning much of the developments of Mopar). Even during the bankruptcy era for Chrysler of the late 80's early 90's, they were still dominating on many race series.

Check this ut Nascar Wars (http://www.allpar.com/racing/nascar-wars.html)

I am by no means a Chrysler bigot, just because I drive a Viper. I will say that I have taken your position in the past and was shot down when someone taught me about Chrysler's racing history.

I hope that this sheds some light on Chrysler's racing history. I'll try to dig up more to add to this good debate.

Brad

Viper 10
03-17-2002, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
Viper 10>

you sound like you know vipers very well, but that statement just doesnt hold, im sorry. Porsche has the most successful racing history of all time, thats a fact. i wouldnt call chrysler a more dominant racing firm than ferrari either....
and for what its worth, the new viper looks ok , but not a patch on the old one... oh ya, and if someone drives a passat or regular car, it doesnt take away their right to call ANY car ugly if they think it is.. like i said, i dont think the new viper is spectacular, and i dont drive a supercar... its just my opinion

cheers,
jay

Jay:

While I consider myself a road racer more than anything else, I have to correct you on your assessment of Porsche or Ferrari's racing dominance. You can trace Porsche's success in spurts during 50's 70's and part of the 80's. During this time the factory team and the privateers were running the Porsche badge. Porsche was getting it's butt handed to them through the 90's and to date. They were getting beaten so badly that they rigged their own challenge series and dropped down in classes in Le Mans IMSA and dropped out of Trans Am.

Let's note the Chrysler dominance that was being referred to has more to do about being a dominant powerplant as compared to the dominance by a manufacturer, as much as anything else.

Ferrari is race bred engineering. They had huge successes in the 50's and 60's. They were by no means competitive in any other series other than F1. They have only returned to a dominant position in F1 because of Schumacher and the addition of EFI traction control systems (replacing their home grown Italian fuel management/ignition system). They have not dominated the F1 series or any other series like Mopar. After the 60's Ferrari all but disappeared from the road racing circuits.

On the other hand, NHRA has been almost completely dominated by Mopar since its inception in the 50's. Their Hemi powerplants continue to this day as being the best and most efficient engine in the history of drag racing. Look at every famous driver and you will find a Mopar behind them. Garlits, Prudhome, McEwan, Muldowney, Bernstein, Force...they ALL run Mopar. They may run other manufacturers bodies, but they all run Mopar powerplants.

Their track record in Nascar is almost as dominant. Since the inception of the stock car (which by the way began in the South with moonshine runners) the Dodge has been the dominant powerplant of choice. Ask anyone that follows Nascar history and the will tell you that Mopar has been there and been banned in every generation of the series. Do you realize that Chevy and Ford both have tried (to no avail) to copy the Hemi designs? Ford actually got a Boss 429 to the track and raced before they were banned. No other powerplant can get more power and durability than the Mopars. Mopars had cars that were modified going well over 230 mph in the 60's with the Superbirds on bias ply tires! Only in the last 10 years has Ford and Chevy become competitive in the series (by banning much of the developments of Mopar). Even during the bankruptcy era for Chrysler of the late 80's early 90's, they were still dominating on many race series.

Check this ut Nascar Wars (http://www.allpar.com/racing/nascar-wars.html)

I am by no means a Chrysler bigot, just because I drive a Viper. I will say that I have taken your position in the past and was shot down when someone taught me about Chrysler's racing history.

I hope that this sheds some light on Chrysler's racing history. I'll try to dig up more to add to this good debate.

Brad

87AccordsterLX
03-17-2002, 12:56 PM
Brad definitly knows his shit... lol... heys hows the engine work coming??? :alien:

crayzayjay
03-17-2002, 03:28 PM
Im not going to pretend to be a racing history dictionary. in fact, i will state now that i know very little about Chrysler

anyway.....
Success for Porsche in part of the 80's?
OK then, lets just take a look at porsche wins at Le Mans:
'70
'71
'76
'77
'79
'81
'82
'83
'84
'85
'86
'87
'94
'96
'97
'98
16 wins... not too bad.. apart from that barren spell in the 80's of course... 7 Le Mans wins in a decade... i mean really... thats just shameful... they could have tried a little harder, no?
10 wins in the gruelling targa florio, 18 at Daytona 24hrs, 17 at Sebring (12hrs), 2 Paris-Dakar Rallye wins, 4 Rallye Monte Carlo wins as well wins at laguna seca, carrera panamericana, European GT championships, Sports Car and Makes world championships, CanAm, IMSA wins.... and oh yeah, throw in 25 wins powering McLaren in F1 and one without.. no you're right.... porsche's racing success came in spurts..

Ferrari have over 100 wins in F1, so what if their recent success can be (in part) attributed to Schumacher? the point is not valid whatsoever. 9 wins at Le Mans, the majority achieved in the 60's? so youre wrong again when you say they werent competitive in anything other than F1.

OK i understand that Chrysler powered many many victories using their HEMI engine. But have they achieved success in such a wide range of racing fields? i dont think so

cheers,
jay

87AccordsterLX
03-17-2002, 03:54 PM
lol... this is getting good... Let me tell you something... I'll take anyone of those races on in my speed machine...LOL... so whats a 300 hp difference anyway....???? Porsche... Ferrari... they dont have anything on my 2.0l SOHC... LOL!!!! OK Im sure Brad is going to reply still but lets just put it like this... Porsche... Ferrari... Viper... all beautiful cars... all different in there own look, style, and so on... Ok so some people dont like the new body style of the 2003 Vipers... thats ok.. some people do like it... whos to say that Dodge wont put out a 2004 or 5 and adopt the older body style... you have to admit that the HP incrase throughout the years has been one to talk over... a 500hp /500lb/f-t roadster that starts in the low 70k's is something special... all I know is that I wouldnt want to see them put out the same thing over and over again like most imports.. you cant just change the look of the cup holders and say its the 2002 verson of the 2001's model.. change isnt always good but you have to learn someway or another...

Holyterror
03-17-2002, 05:45 PM
I'm not fanatical about the body, but...
It would great if they were going to resurrect the Stealth, and put a big motor in it. A twin turbo inline 6 would be perfect. But, alas, that's not happening.

I love the old Viper's aesthetics. I'd take the body and chassis and put my own motor in. But Dodge has to stay on the cutting edge, I guess. If you ask me, almost all 2000+ styling is ugly compared to that of 10 years ago. Of course, I have a lot of unpopular opinions.

Whatever the final output, this is going to be a fast car. I've always thought the Viper would be perfectly accentuated by a 500+ ci Hemi. I guess that's not as exotic as a Lambourghini powerplant.

Concorde OwNz Jo0!
03-28-2002, 05:22 PM
This viper has lost its Exclusvity! It looks like an extended S2000. The current viper has all the dips and curves which makes it look different than all the rest of the sports cars on the road.:bandit:

Audio_1
03-29-2002, 12:58 AM
i had to register here to say something. What on the lords green earth did they do to this beutiful car!!! it looks like a s2000. it used to be the most beutiful car i have ever layed eyes on. now its like puke. it makes me want to cry.:cry:

Holyterror
04-01-2002, 12:40 AM
Most current styling trends make me ill. Jewel lights on a Dodge Ram? WTF?! And I constantly find myself in the minority when people start talking about how great the new Celicas look. Blah. I am superficial enough about my cars that I may never buy a new car again.

sheuisha GT
05-01-2002, 12:52 AM
i cant say that there isnt any one on the earth that doesnt like vipers.Vipers are the best cars,they run,look and,everything the best.And if your readin this and you dont like Vipers,read it.:flipa: :flipa:

sheuisha GT
05-01-2002, 12:59 AM
zup,

yo VIPER 10,thats a tight picture of a viper.My favorite viper is the 19996 viper GTS.:D :badass: blue

sheuisha GT
05-01-2002, 01:05 AM
YO Concorde OwNz Jo0! How in he hell could you say that.Vipers are the tightest fucking car ever.If ya dont like Vipers,dont come to a section like this,i hope everyone agrees with me about what you said.Vipers r the best.:stormzap:

kidrocket
05-01-2002, 10:53 AM
lets be realistic. the viper isnt the best at everything. ever seen a viper pulling a horse trailer, or offroading? Hell im sure that some stock cars are faster through the 1/4 or the slalom. Whats so great about the viper is that it performs quite well in mostly all road performance conditions

Its a great car, but to say its the best at everything is a ludicrous statement

kidrocket
05-01-2002, 11:46 AM
and to say it looks best is opinion only. I love the styling of the viper, but personally, i think a C5 looks sexier, and both of those get trounced in the looks department by the porsche 911. argue with me, and youre only proving my point. its all opinion

Polygon
05-01-2002, 12:31 PM
Personally I think they could have done much better with the SRT-10 Viper, but it doesn't look like an S2000. I don't see where you people are getting that. Just because it has a long hood makes it automatically an S2000 rip off? I don't think so. Granted it is not the best looking Viper ever, but it is not that bad looking either. I like the looks of the new roadster. What irritates me is that the coupe is being held off for two years or so.

This question is for Viper 10 since he is the guru in this forum. Is the Viper coupe the GTS-r pictures I have been seeing, you know the concept GTS-R? Because that is one gorgeous car.

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