Racers.... post your times


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LowETz
08-05-2005, 11:21 PM
Would like to see what kinds of different cars are doing what at the track. More interested in the "street" cars vs. the gutted out tube chassis'd dedicated race car, but all are welcome. Post up your stats!

1) Car
2) Motor- 4,6,8,10 cyl.
3) Horsepower/Torque, NA/PA
4) Transmission- auto/stall, manual/pro shifted
5) Gear
6) 60', ET, MPH... NA/PA
7) Tire- street radial/ drag radial/ slick
8) Race weight

I'll start...

1) 2000 Pontiac TransAM WS6
2) Gen.III LS6 V-8
3) 457 rwhp/423 rwtq. NA/ 611 rwhp/634 rwtq. N20
4) Borg Warner T56 6 speed- RAM disc/PP. - stock hard parts
5) Moser 12 bolt, 4.56 ring/pinion
6) 1.44-57, 11.44, 124 NA, No PA #'s yet
7) 28-12.50-15 MT ET Street
8) 3580 lbs.

chevytrucks92
08-05-2005, 11:46 PM
1) 1972 Chevrolet Vega, fiberglass doors, hatch, front end, allum. floor boards, full roll cage (minus halo), 4-link rear suspension w/coil overs and Camaro disc brakes, tube frame (triple strength steel, homemade), 1966 Corvair front suspension
2) pre-1987 355 SBC (pre-1987 406 SBC*), flat top pistons, around .650 lift roller cam, Pro 1 heads, fully ported and 2.08 valves, Victor Jr. Intake ported to match heads, 750 cfm Proform carb.
3) maybe 450-500 hp (maybe 500-550*) NA
4) GM Powerglide 1.76 ratio, electric shift, built, big stall converter
5) 5.13 Richmond, GM 12-bolt, narrowed, aftermarket axels
6) 1.622 60', 4.781 330 ET (1.464 60', 4.403 330 ET*)
7) 31x14 Good Year Dragway Special
8) about 2950 (way too heavy for a racecar)

*406 used to be in the car but its no more: broke rod

LowETz
08-06-2005, 10:22 AM
Always liked Vega's turned into track cars. I'd give a kidney to get the RW down to 2950 in my pig..... but then again it's not really what anyone would call a race car.... just a qwik grocery getter :lol:

Sounds like your car would be a blast to drive.... how does it act on the top through the traps? Seems like mine is forever dancing through the lights and after I've lifted even w/the 28's.

Thinking about going w/a stalled/braked T350 as the pewter pig doesn't see a whole lot of street time these days. Love rowing the gears but am shooting for a high 1.30/ low 1.40 60' and a bit more consistency off the tree.

Prolly need to do a higher gear on the hose w/a big converter? Thinking the small cubes is gonna run out of breath at about the 1000' mark on a 6900 rpm limiter?

How big a stall are you running, and at what rpm through the lights?

chevytrucks92
08-07-2005, 03:56 AM
Haha. I wished mine was down to about 2500. It'd run 4.teens in the 330 (that'd be about 6.30s in the 1/8th, and probably 9.90s in the 1/4-if it weighed 2500 lbs) atleast if it only weighed 2500 lbs.


As for my converter. I think its supposed to be a 5000 stall, but I dont know for sure. Its really too much for this engine, but it was bought for the 406 that I blowed up.

As for my R's going through the lights, I think this motor (355) is turning about 5500 rpms (in high gear of course) at the 330 mark (that's all I run is 330 ft). The 406 would go through at 6000 rpms. I shift at 6400 rpms and chip it at 7000 rpms. So I'd even have trouble in the 1/4. I'd say with this 355, it'd probably make it to the 1000' mark and start hitting the 7000 rpm chip. With the 406, I'd say it might have went 800 ft before it got on the chip, if that.

And my car is planted firm going through the 330, and I generally hold it about 100' past the line. About the only trouble I ever have is it bringing the wheels up, particularly the left front. But it doesn't do that much at all with this 355. It might bring the left front about 5 inches. With the 406, it'd come up a foot. But even at that, the car still went straight. Sounds to me like you'r trying to run too little air pressure, since you're weeving on top end.

LowETz
08-07-2005, 11:48 AM
Been playing w/tire pressure 'till I'm blue in the face... Higher psi(20 or higher)and it just blows the tires. Usually try to find the sweet spot between 18-14psi. depending on track temps/prep. Seems like anything much below 16 and she's a hanfull down track, but at 12-14 she dead hooks, hazes the tires for about one revolution and gets my best 60' #'s. Buddies are going as low as 10-12 w/no issues(subjective).

Suspension is dialed in about as good as it can be w/the pieces on it. Pinion angle is close(-2*), wheels are centered up(adj. LCA's), rear is centered and tracking(Adj. PH rod), SFC's were welded in correctly, and as near as I can tell the rear drag bar is adjusted correctly(adj. spherical rod end links) :banghead:

The only thing that "may" be an issue is that I've removed the front sway bar for better weight transfer off the line, but can't see that affecting much in a straight line :dunno:

Dunno what else to look at.... have some other(M6)buddies that are swearing by the new M/T ET Street Radial. Say that their 60' #'s are consistently better than w/the ET Streets(hard to believe), and that it's a sweet ride down track(that I believe... less tire growth/sidewall stabillity). Prolly be trying a pair as soon as the weather cools down a bit.

Love to see what your Vega would do on a mild 200 hit :evillol:

AWP9521
08-07-2005, 02:14 PM
1) 1979 Ford Mustang, totally gutted interior except passenger seat, both door crash beams and front and rear bumper assemblies removed, hood and hatch bracing removed, 6 point roll cage welded directly to the front and rear subframes, subframe connectors welded in, 5 point harness, all glass still on the car, reversed front camber plates (gives more front end lift), Boxed rear lower control arms (stock units) with urethane bushings, 9" rear end and 31 spline axles, fuel cell, tranny cooler (fan cooled), and battery in the hatch.

2) V8, 1972 351W block with ported 1969 D0OE heads, 1.94 I/1.60 E manley valves, hardened seats, stock cast crank, 8.5:1 dish top pistons and stock rods with ARP bolts. Comp Cams .519 I/.523 E lift, 274 I/286 E duration, Crane dual springs and retainers, Harland Sharp full roller rockers, Victor Jr. intake, Holley 700 DP carb, Dynomax headers, MSD 6-AL ignition.

3) Unknown HP/TQ numbers, never been dynoed and will not estimate.

4) Trans-King modified C4 with a reverse manual valve body, trans brake, and 4000 stall converter. Hurst Quick Silver ratchet shifter.

5) 3.89:1 gears, Detroit Locker 31 spline differential.

6) 1.548 60 ft; 7.369 1/8 ET; 90.732 1/8 MPH; 11.849 1/4 ET; 113.340 1/4 MPH, all motor, there are no power adders installed, best ever times and speeds achieved are listed.

7) 28x9x15 MT ET Drag slicks.

8) 2520 pounds (certified scale weight) full of fluids without driver.

A totally low budget car, it ran faithfully on 93 octane premium unleaded and was a serious contender at the local strip, in 5 years of racing I posted 8 overall wins (money runs between class winners), 12 class wins, and so many runner-up finishes I can't remember them all. Still have the car but have only raced it twice this year after a 4 year hiatus but took it to the semi's the first week and was runner-up the second week.

http://members.aol.com/pnyryd9521/myfuncar.jpg
That is me with the car after a day's race, pic was taken in 1999.
Sorry for the fuzzy shot, camera operator was a little tipsy!

LowETz
08-07-2005, 06:21 PM
AWP... those times are pretty good.... almost a 23 mph gain in the last 660' is scootin'. What's your launch RPM on the brake w/that 1.54 60"?

Dayum you guys...... starting to make me re-think the creature comforts in my ride. With a measily 500#'s removed, the pewter pig "could"(theoretically)be going 10.90's/128ish on motor. Hhmmm..... :naughty:

The 150 hit that's allready in place "should" be worth an easy 1.000 in ET?... 9.90's/138 mph or so on a stock bottom LS6 sounds good to me Have to be doing some serious driving.... shift points come up qwik on the hose.

I wish I could say my chit is a budget ride.... purchase price + mods have me a little embarrassed at my times considering there are cam only LS1's going 10's .... although most have been on the Jenny Craig plan for awhile...

The damn leather seats in my car are 60#'s a piece. I wonder if carpet, AC/heater, stereo/amp, and seats would get me get close to 500 #'s?

Prolly oughta' just find and old Nova or S-10 or something and gut it. Do a 502" crate motor and go 9's for less than what I've got in the TA..... this is worse than crack :banghead:

Keep the posts coming guys...

chevytrucks92
08-07-2005, 07:58 PM
Haha. I'd say a 200 shot would be a huge handfull, lol.


And man my 60s sounds awfully slow compared to you AWP9521, lol. Even with the 406, it'd only average a 1.49-1.51, but I know it'd atleast go 6.70s in the 1/8th at around 102 mph (judging by 330 times)! And now with the 355, my best was a 1.61 that happened last night, but my 330 was 4.77 (probably close to what yours was on that 7.30 run in the 1/8th).

In my car's defense, I am probably 2000-2500 ft. above sea level (Southeastern KY). And I'm not at all trying to call BS on yoru times!

And LowET, you may have too much preload in yoru rear suspension. Too much preload will make it wonder on top end as well.

Sometime in the near future, I intend on turning this flat-top 355 into a 13:1 383 stroker. That should give me my power back (and then some).

AWP9521
08-08-2005, 02:20 PM
AWP... those times are pretty good.... almost a 23 mph gain in the last 660' is scootin'. What's your launch RPM on the brake w/that 1.54 60"?

That 1.56 was not achieved at my local track, the short time there usually runs at low to mid 1.6's which is still pretty respectable, That time posted was at another track about 60 miles from me and was definitely better prepared and hooked like mad, when I was there it would pull the front tires about 6-8 inches off the track! Before we did the camber plate reversal on the stuts the short time was around the high 1.6 to 1.7 area, the extra front extension and the fact the front struts were kind of worn out helped the weight transfer plant the rear end much better.

I launch at 3800 to 4000 on the trans brake depending on the weather conditions at the track, I also have a home made 2-step box with a variable RPM adjustment (somewhere between 2000-4000 adjustment range) and a bypass switch hooked to the MSD but usually have it bypassed (A 6000 RPM chip is also installed on the bypass mode side of the switch to guard against engine over rev on the line in case of converter, flexplate, or input shaft failure) and do a full stall launch, using the 2-step and having the converter flash up to stall didn't seem to help the short time any, in fact it reduced the short time a little.

And man my 60s sounds awfully slow compared to you AWP9521, lol. Even with the 406, it'd only average a 1.49-1.51, but I know it'd at least go 6.70s in the 1/8th at around 102 mph (judging by 330 times)! And now with the 355, my best was a 1.61 that happened last night, but my 330 was 4.77 (probably close to what yours was on that 7.30 run in the 1/8th).

1.49-1.51 is definitely a great 60 foot time! Oddly enough, my local track doesn't give out 330 or 1000 foot times, just 1/8 and 1/4. I do have some from other tracks though but if my memory serves me correctly, I would hit around the very high 4's to low 5's in the 330 but don't take it as fact as i'm really not certain. Somewhere in this house I have a rather thick folder containing every time slip from every race at every track I have ever been at for those 5 racing seasons, and I know there are 330 as well as 1000 foot times in that folder. If I can locate them I'll edit my post to include the best 330 and 1000 foot time I have achieved, providing I can find them!

chevytrucks92
08-08-2005, 09:35 PM
Cool. I'd say going by your 1/8th time, you'd about have to be going atleast 4.80s in the 330. I figure my car with the 355 in it now would probably go around 7.15 in the 1/8th because it is really coming on strong in high gear. Then again, it may not even go 7.30, lol.

All I know is, its a big BIG difference going from 1.49-1.51 (best of 1.464) 60s to 1.62-1.64 (best of 1.61) 60s! A BIG difference, lol.

JekylandHyde
08-09-2005, 02:52 PM
1) 1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo
2) 2.0 liter 4 cyl
3) 377 rwhp/ 314 rwtq
4) 5-speed manual
5) Gear
6) 1.5, 11.7 @ 120
7) 275 BFG Drag Radials
8) 2650 (2820 with driver)
9) 201,000 miles on the engine :D

LowETz
08-09-2005, 10:55 PM
Damn nice #'s Jekyl.... tell me there's a power adder? Props to 377/314, and that ET/mph on a 2.0L :bigthumb: How much weight was pulled?

JekylandHyde
08-10-2005, 06:28 AM
Yeah there is a power adder ... notice I said "turbo" MR2 :) I am sporting a GT35R in replace of the tiny OEM unit. I was running a T3T4 for 3 years and switched this season.

Hyde was 2950 lbs when I bought him and I got him down to 2650. My latest project is adding back a few pounds, but it will be worth it.

The 11.7 is actually off pace from where the car should have been this year, but we had a mild tuning issue that messed with us. We should be in the low 11s within the next few weeks.

We'll see ;)

LowETz
08-10-2005, 07:55 PM
Yeah there is a power adder ... notice I said "turbo" MR2 :)

Dohh!!! :banghead:
Don't see too many imports w/those kinds of #'s around here too often. Why are you adding ballast? Weight break to make class?
Props again!

JekylandHyde
08-10-2005, 11:08 PM
It wasn't my intention to add weight, it just happens to be a side affect tto goingto a significantly larger intercooler :D

500
08-11-2005, 10:23 AM
I dug out the time slips from my last drag car.

78 Camaro

std bore 350 cast flattops, 461X heads 1.94 x 1.50 valves, valve job done on a Serdi machine, I ported the heads using David Vizard's concepts, 67 Z28 valve springs, Cam Dynamics 268 Hyd cam 228 @ .050, 480 lift; high volume pump to make up for too loose main brg clearances, .001 undersize mainbrgs to get clearances down to .003 > .004.; Moroso deep pan run 1qt low on the advertised capacity; stock cast iron dist converted to HEI magnetic pickup, recurved, MSD cap adapt, Ign coil and ign modules mounted on passenger footwell using msd firewall terminal for the coil wire. Jet Hot coated headers; Performer intake; 600 vac secondary holley. ARP rodbolts, main studs, head bolts, oil pan studs w nylock nuts and same for valve covers.

286 rwhp using a formula that takes vehicle weight, et and maybe one other parameter.

Turbo 350 that I built using a Transstar HD kit, hardened roller clutch race and a Transgo full manual valve body reprogramming kit. Cheap 4000 rpm stall torque converter.

4.88

1.75 5.11 7.99 @ 84.91 1/8th 10.51 12.67 @ 103.69 1/4

9.5x28x15 MT slicks

2600 lbs

Using the above HP formula the car was supposed to run 12.2 in the 1/4. The 4.88 was way too low for the cam. 4.11 would have been best. This car raced sportsman [ the footbrake class ] where 13.00 was the cutoff so we had a real battle to slow it down.

I had a set of Arias 327 domed pistons, a steel 327 large journal crank, a Vic Jr intake and a 750 Holley that I was going to put in the 350 block but never got around to it. My body wouldn't tolerate having it's biorithims messed with and racing at night means you don't get home until way late so I finally quit dragracing.

LowETz
08-12-2005, 05:23 PM
Not a bad ET/MPH at all considering the est. HP. The high stall/low race weight didn't hurt either, but agree the gear was too much.

I've STILL got the heaviest PIG in this thread :bloated:
....it's startin' to seem like the big diet is inevitable.....

Anybody runnin' a full interior, 3500lb. car goin' 10.90's or better on motor?

nissanfanatic
08-12-2005, 09:24 PM
1) 1992 Nissan 240sx SE Turbocharged
2) 2.4l 4cylinder KA24DE bone stock internally
3) No idea on either. 250-260whp guestimation
4) Manual
5) 4.08:1
6) 60'-2.09, 1/4ET-13.404, 1/4MPH-107.4
7) 205/55/15 Toyo proxxes/open differential
8) stock+220lbs so about 2800lbs
9) 137,000 miles on the engine

This is my daily driver too.

-The Stig-
08-14-2005, 07:47 PM
1) 2001 Camaro Z28
2) V8 LS1
3) Most likely stock 310whp range
4) 6 Speed
5) Stock 3.42
6) 60' 2.351, ET 14.2, 102.5 MPH...
7) Kumho Ecsta 245's on all four... bought the car with these
8) Probably around 3500-3600lbs... It's a fairly base model Z28 and I don't weigh over 120lbs.


First time at the track (driving) this saturday, my 60' sucked mainly cause the right lane has a slight slope to it, and trying to stage your car wants to roll forward. So trying to keep the car from rolling and revved up was a bitch. And never doing it before I wasn't sure what to do...

Car came off the line with a slight bog, but I hit 2nd gear and lost traction and had to feather the gas to get it back to sticking... then cause the clutch isn't really cooperative and was sticking to the floor I missed 3rd gear. But, I still nudged out a stock STi out. My 14.25 @ 102.5 to his 14.499 @ 94.5



My second run, was slightly worse. A 14.38 @ 105.4. I got stuck in the right lane again, so I tried holding the ebrake slightly to keep the car from rolling forward. Well, the guy I was racing was already staged so I guess the system was ready to rock and roll when I got setup. So.. as I'm fucking with the ebrake the light goes green.

If there was a video, you'd hear me go "goddammmitt...." in a dissapointed tone. I was actually laughing at it. My little stunt at the light cost me a R/T of 1.058. :lol:

I should of won something for worst R/T of the day. Luckily my opponent was some crappy beater Accord which ran a 15.544 @ 92.89. Even with my horridly bad R/T and launch that run I regained the lead by the 330' mark.

Need me a clutch that works before I can start practicing better launch techniques.

Although, I'll agree with 2000LS1Z28's opinion of this track. It does kinda suck for traction. It has a slight altitude of 1200ft, which isn't much but I guess it's enough to affect ET's a slight amount. Plus it's hot as hell out there... Oh and my favorite part. The track is pointed do west. And since racing doesn't get started till in the late after noon. You have fight against not only a stead 10-15mph headwind but also the setting sun in your face. My second run was at 6:22pm... found it a tad bit difficult to see the christmas tree. Glad I didn't stick around to try to take off in the actual setting sun. That must of sucked.

Enough excuses though... just gotta practice practice practice... after a clutch replacement.:)

LowETz
08-14-2005, 10:08 PM
Redneck.... been there done that. Better #'s come w/practice. You'll see gains each time you get more and more tree time. Don't sweat the R/T #'s until you get comfortable w/your launch and the 60' #..... THEN work the tree.

Don't know what your stage/launch method is, but on street tires just turn them over a couple times to clear the garbage from the tread. A long smokey burn out won't help on a street radial. Once staged(going deep will help your RT if you tend to be late, but mph will suffer)on the the 1st yellow bring the rpm's up to about 2200. On the last yellow feather the clutch out(all be it quickly)until you feel it grab and then nail it. This "should" keep tire spin down to a minimum, and get you closer to a 2.000 60'(which still ain't bad on a street radial).

If it were me, I'd try to find a pair of tires. Since you're still on the stock 10 bolt, a pair of drag radials would be your best bet for getting that 60' # down w/out grenading the rear.

Sounds like you were at my home track for those passes LOL!
Atlanta Dragway's prep leaves a little to be desired, and is also a 1200' DA(on a good day)track.

Keep practicing and post up your new best's as they happen!

chevytrucks92
08-14-2005, 10:39 PM
If there was a video, you'd hear me go "goddammmitt...." in a dissapointed tone. I was actually laughing at it. My little stunt at the light cost me a R/T of 1.058. :lol:

And I thought my big snoozer of a .578 (.078) Friday night (raced Friday this weekend due to a dirt track race at the local track Saturday) was bad, lol.

Lost the damn race because of that and was actually kind of embarrassed instead of mad about it, lol. The other guy got to peddle on me about 60 ft from the finish line!

The round before I did do pretty good though. .504 (.004) light and 4.826 on a 4.82 dial.

I'd say my track is atleast 2000 ft above sea level. Not sure how much it affects ETs, but any elevation will hurt a NA engine. Your mph was pretty good though. Probably be able to pull out some 13.70s once you get the launch right.

bad360rt
08-15-2005, 09:36 AM
1) 2002 Dodge Dakota 5.9 R/T
2) 360ci, .020" over, very mild cam, 2.02 heads, 58mm tb, 4bbl intake, 1.7 rr's, Intercooled Paxton Novi-2000 (12psi), headers & 2.5" true dual exhaust
3) 493rwhp/473rwtq on 12lbs of boost
4) Built 46RE w/2800 stall (gonna up that to 3600 soon)
5) Stock 3.92 w/LSD
6) 1.66, 1/8th 7.45@93.02, 1/4 11.62@120.38
7) 28x13.50 Hoosier QTP's on Bogart D-10's, Moroso DS2's up front
8) Not sure, haven't weighed her yet, but I'll bet it's over 4K lbs with me in it.

She needs a bigger stall, and some more tuning, running extremely rich down low and through the midrange. Should be good for low 11's with the stall and tuning :biggrin:

Oh, full interior, a/c, stereo, etc. and I run with the tonneau and tailgate on. Only weight reduction is a full set of Bogarts and I pull the front sway for the track.

LowETz
08-15-2005, 07:42 PM
Damn it man! Love to see the expressions on the faces of the guys that roll up on ya thinkin' it's just another wanna be in a pickup truck.....

Damn good #'s on safe boost totin' that kind of weight! With a tad better 60', a few more lbs. of boost, a few less lbs. of weight and the tune, I bet you'd be 10.9x's and STILL comfy on the street :thumbsup:

Btw....thanx for posting up! Now I'm NOT the heaviest in this thread :lol:

bad360rt
08-16-2005, 08:17 AM
Yeah, it's a blast catching people off guard :iceslolan She's getting a lil weight reduction soon, no stripping tho, just losing some weight were I can, mostly off the front end. I think I'm gonna see how fast I can get her this fall and then just leave it at that. Get a set of nice 18's with some DR's and run her full weight after that, mid-high 11's in street trim will be enough. I don't want to cut her up for a rollbar.

LowETz
08-16-2005, 08:43 PM
Had a buddy of mine left Atlanta to go back home to Philly.... he always talked about the street seen up there. I bet if one was so inclined:icesangel ..... makin' coin w/that puppy on the street wouldn't be too difficult :evillol:

500
08-16-2005, 10:42 PM
1) 2001 Camaro Z28
4) 6 Speed
. So trying to keep the car from rolling and revved up was a bitch. )

Get a Line Loc. Fairly easy to install. Finding the correct brake master cyl and line flare fittings is the hardest part.

bad360rt
08-17-2005, 07:48 AM
Had a buddy of mine left Atlanta to go back home to Philly.... he always talked about the street seen up there. I bet if one was so inclined:icesangel ..... makin' coin w/that puppy on the street wouldn't be too difficult :evillol:
There's a pretty good street scene here, if you know where to go. South Philly sucks ass, full of ricers and wanna-be thugs. I just race for fun tho, too many fast cars around here to lose my money to LOL

LowETz
08-17-2005, 09:51 PM
.....ricers and wanna-be thugs.... oh my! LOL!

I hear ya.... seems like it's that way anywhere these days.

While I don't actually "street race" per se anymore, I have been known to purge/launch from a stop light and lift just before the shift light to get a "certain" point accross..... but then I feel real bad when ol' boy's girl is winking as they go by.... sometimes ya just gotta say WTF.

BNaylor
09-04-2005, 12:10 PM
1) '97.5 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
2) L67 Series II 3800 V6 Supercharged Eaton M90 Gen3
3) Stock 240 hp/280 torque - Estimated 350+ hp
4) Transmission - FWD 4T65E- HD autotransaxle
5) 2.93
6) 1.945/13.210 @ 104.490 mph
7) Nitto NT555R Drag Radial P245/50-16
8) Race weight - 3430 lbs.




http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 PCM, SLP Headers,
3.25 SC pulley, CAIT GMAF, 2.5 DP/Hi-Flow CAT,
u-bend delete, 160 TS, ZZP Stage 1 72mm TB,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 103,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt,
Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
1/4 ET: 13.210 sec. @ 104.490 mph
0 - 60 ft: 1.945 sec.



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LowETz
09-05-2005, 10:30 PM
Don't know alot about FWD but seems a decent 60'/ET/MPH for the gear/race weight! I'm assuming you footbrake your launch? What rpm are you leaving at?

Thanx for posting up!

BNaylor
09-06-2005, 02:01 AM
Don't know alot about FWD but seems a decent 60'/ET/MPH for the gear/race weight! I'm assuming you footbrake your launch? What rpm are you leaving at?

Thanx for posting up!

Basically, its the same technique you would use on a RWD automatic. My best launch is holding the brake and holding rpms steady at 1300 - 1500 rpms and then on the last yellow release the brake and moderately roll the throttle on and then pedal to the metal (WOT) all within a split second. It takes practice to control the wheelspin and weight transfer. Plus the torque steer with the mods is minimal. I let the DHP PCM handle the shifting.

The GTP performs well considering its all bolt on mods. I'm at a dead end on better performance unless I go to an intercooler, roller rockers, cam, smaller SC pulley and race tranny. The stock 4T65E-HD tranny is not made to handle 12 sec. ETs.

Thanks for inquiring.




http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 PCM, SLP Headers,
3.25 SC pulley, CAIT GMAF, 2.5 DP/Hi-Flow CAT,
u-bend delete, 160 TS, ZZP Stage 1 72mm TB,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 103,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt,
Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
1/4 ET: 13.210 sec. @ 104.490 mph
0 - 60 ft: 1.945 sec.



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MrPbody
09-15-2005, 02:07 PM
'68 Camaro, all steel body, 3,140 lbs. "dry"
412 CID small block (Dart Sportsman block), Eagle kit, Dart Pro-1s, Victor, AED 950HOM, Comp .660 roller
PowerGlide (TCI) 4,500 converter (made for nitrous, very "tight", TCI)
Chevy 12-bolt 4.56 gears
15x12x31 M/T slicks
All Deadenbear electronics

Horsepower (N/A) estimated at 710.

6.48/10.07 (110/131) on "motor"
5.71/8.96 (119/149.28) 300 "hit"

short times on motor in the 1.40 range, on bottle, 1.31 (best)
That's with a 240 lb. man driving!

The local crowd was so impressed, a man offered to buy the car (rolling). So, it's gone. But... Next week we begin the process on a '97 Corvette IHRA A/FC chassis. That small block will easily get the car in the 7s (1,800 lbs. "wet" with a small block). We have some blown/alcohol plans, too... 6s here we come! (and I DON'T mean 1/8 mile...)

We're also looking at a big block for match racing, and a Pontiac (surprise...) for the "Pontiac" races. And I don't mean Pontiac valve covers, either. A true "traditional" Pontiac V8. We'll have to do something about the Chevy body for that one...

How about a customer's car? They legal for this thread?

Rick Holladay, Virginia Beach
'65 GTO convertible
434 CID Pontiac, Edelbrock heads (9:1, 93 octane only), UltraDyne flat tappet hydraulic, TriPower (yes, really)
3,740 lbs. "dry" (weighed this past August at Norwalk)
Muncie "wide ratio" 4-speed, 3.73 12-bolt (Moser), ladder-bar suspension
M/T Streets, 15x9.5x26

11.95 @ 117

The car has no adders.

I know, there are plenty of faster cars out there. But this thing draws a crowd everywhere he races. He's won three bracket meets in North Carolina in the last two years (who says you can't bracket race a manual?)

LowETz
09-15-2005, 02:53 PM
Hey MrPbody.... that '68 sounds like a blast! 5's in the 660' and a 1.31 60' is just a wet dream for me at this stage of the game.... guess I could jet it up hard and not lift till I see the face of God :naughty: .... but I doubt it would do it twice :frown:

Just curious about the NA vs. hosed numbers though....the 6.48 NA 660' vs. the 5.71 hosed 660'. Why did it take a 300 hit to get a 0.77 ET reduction? Is it b/c at that rate of power/ acceleration it takes that much more power at that RW to bring down the ET? Is it just me or is there somthing I'm missing? I know I'm seeing almost a full 1.0 sec. ET reduction(from 11.44 NA)and a 10 mph increase(from 124mph) w/a 1.44 60' on a 150 wet hit in my 3580# TA.... not calling you out on your numbers.... just curious :)

Your mph is DEFINATELY there though!

As far as the Vette goes..... 1800#'s at that 710 number oughta' be good for a 1.1x(if not a sub 1.0) 60', and I agree 7's should be a no brainer. THAT should be fun!

I'm still on the fence about the TA. Gotta lose weight. Seriously considering gutting it and doing a narrowed Dana/4 link and tubs. If I can get a 9.99 on this little motor I could move on.

Then there's the option of just pussin' out and buying a documented 8-9 sec roller and cutting the time line in half.... :dunno:

Thanx for postin' up! Good luck in the A/FC class.... that's some tight competition. Again.... just another of many wet dreams I have :banghead:

Btw.... what shop are you affiliated with?

SLoW SHO
09-15-2005, 05:47 PM
1) 2nd Gen Taurus SHO
2) 3.0 V6
3) 210whp/203wtq N/A
4) 5spd Stick
5) Stock 3.74's
6) 2.221 60', 14.3 @ 97 N/A
7) street radial
8) 3250 without me in it 1/4 tank of gas

500
09-16-2005, 04:17 PM
. And I don't mean Pontiac valve covers, either. A true "traditional" Pontiac V8. We'll have to do something about the Chevy body for that one... H?)

You sound like a buddy of mine named Yacavone.

MrPbody
09-20-2005, 10:46 AM
500,
Why do I know that name? It seems I've seen it before in the Pontiac family...

Low,
Yes, I think maybe you did miss something. The converter is designed for use WITH nitrous, so 60' and 1/8 mile times are slower "on motor" than they would be had the converter been "loose". The engine and car were initially "designed" for nitrous. By putting a "loose" converter in there, our "on motor" numbers would be more impressive, but ultimately, the car would bne slower by a bunch...

The F/C won't be going to the top to start with. We''ll probably put a T-bucket on it and call it an "altered" for the first year. That way, we can learn the chassis and still go fast, without the obligitory blower and exotic fuel. We'll use the small block from the Camaro for brackets. We're doing a big block for "match racing" (it WILL be alcohol-injected) and a 440 Pontiac for the various Pontiac-only races. We MIGHT even build a Ford, and use the car as a "rolling dyno".
Things are still up in the air a bit, as we only got the car Saturday. We shall see...

Jim

500
09-20-2005, 03:45 PM
500,Why do I know that name? It seems I've seen it before in the Pontiac family...Jim

Sometimes Stock,Super Stock & bracket racer. Last pics he sent me he had won some bracket event in a huge Caddy.

MrPbody
09-24-2005, 02:58 PM
Low,
I just reread your post. I missed something.

Check us out!

www.centralvirginiamachine.com

LowETz
09-26-2005, 10:24 AM
Thanx for the link! Im originally from No. Va., and the looks to be on the way... may stop in sometime.

I see what you're saying about the converter.... hadn't thought about that(I'm an T56 guy)when I made that post.... thanx for clearing me up.

FikseGTS
10-02-2005, 09:29 AM
1) 1996 Dodge Viper GTS
2) V10
3) 445 rwhp/495 rwtq
4) 6 Speed
5) Stock Gears
6) 11.62 @ 120, 1.71 60'
7) Street Tires - Pilot Sports
8) 3360 pounds without driver

timeslip here:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Viper-Timeslip-1627.html


.

LowETz
10-02-2005, 01:19 PM
Nice passes! Gotta ask the obvious questions....

What's the stock gear in a Viper? With that kind of torque I'd love to see a 4.10-4.30(Dodge equivalent ratio)in it w/a sticky tire :evillol:

Those passes were made on street tires? (Very nice 60' if so, and HOW'd ya DO that :confused: ).

Was/is that stock/factory weight for a Viper? (if not what's stock weight and what's been pulled?)

FikseGTS
10-02-2005, 02:07 PM
thanks... stock weight, stock ratio 3.07..... we had the track rented for the night, so it was prepped very well, and I got many chances to get the launch right....... on normal test and tune nights, I usully run 11.9x with 1.9 60'.....




Nice passes! Gotta ask the obvious questions....

What's the stock gear in a Viper? With that kind of torque I'd love to see a 4.10-4.30(Dodge equivalent ratio)in it w/a sticky tire :evillol:

Those passes were made on street tires? (Very nice 60' if so, and HOW'd ya DO that :confused: ).

Was/is that stock/factory weight for a Viper? (if not what's stock weight and what's been pulled?)

maxwedge
10-02-2005, 07:51 PM
This may be too old for you guys, former NHRA record holder, 64 Ply Belvedere, 426 Ramcharger, auto., A/SA, 10.97 123.20. at Englishtown, fall 1986. Should have never sold it!!! Legal stocker on 9' slicks.

LowETz
10-02-2005, 10:30 PM
LOL!... a record is a record.... never too old! I remember the Belvedere's. Been goin' to tracks since I was 15 years old.... 45 now. Kinda' miss all the old war wagons of the 60's-70's. The Chargers/Cudas', the old Mach I's, 62' Chevy II's and the old battle ship 66' Chevelle's....

Seems like they were a dime a dozen then.... try to find one in good shape today is an excercise....

What were the average/typical RW/60' #'s

Are you still makin' passes?

Thanx for posting!

maxwedge
10-03-2005, 11:58 AM
Sold/ gave away the the car and trailer in 87, ( dummy). These cars, with the new rules in stock are going 10.20's!!! They just started 60' times then, nobody thought it was important. I think 1.51 was one I remember for my car, 9" Goodyears on 8" wheels, 4.89 gear, 9" conv. 3800 stall.. Car weighed 3600 with driver, all steel fr. end, no hood scoop.

LowETz
10-03-2005, 01:23 PM
"gave away"? Ouch. Damn nice 60' on a 3600# all steel body w/9" slicks.... that gear didn't hurt a bit either.

lowsonoma1999
10-22-2005, 01:11 PM
'69 Camaro
496ci big block
never on dyno
powerglide, with Coan transbrake
best pass was with 4.52s, now has 4.10s (slowed it down to stop breaking transmissions and torque converters)
9.07 1/4 @ 148 1.24 60'
Hoosier 33x14x15 slicks
~2600lbs with driver
www.agbulletracing.com <--website
video of a 9.12 pass last year -->http://www.agbulletracing.com/Videos/04video2.wmv
http://www.agbulletracing.com/photogallery/stuff-20708.gif

LowETz
10-22-2005, 08:00 PM
Nice car and a real clean pass! Loved that launch/60' from the in car camera! Sounded like that 4.52 had you tapping the limiter a bit through the lights. What did the 4.10 do to ET vs. the 4.52?

Thanx for posting up!

lowsonoma1999
10-22-2005, 11:11 PM
Nice car and a real clean pass! Loved that launch/60' from the in car camera! Sounded like that 4.52 had you tapping the limiter a bit through the lights. What did the 4.10 do to ET vs. the 4.52?

Thanx for posting up!

On a good cool day we can now get into the high 9.30s. We also blew another motor earlier this year, and tried a new engine builder. Slowed down another tenth after he built the motor. He didn't like the cam we were using, so he put something else in, and obviously it didn't work. Also dropped launch RPMs down to 4400, from 4800. Last year we did a lot of Super Gas racing, and went through 2 transmissions and 4 torque converters. Thats why we changed gears. One thing we did learn, Coan torque converters suck for Super Gas racing.

chevytrucks92
10-22-2005, 11:57 PM
Its interesting that you mention launch RPMs. We went from launching at 3800 rpms to 3400 rpms before I blowed up my 406 and there was no drop off in performance.

We even raised it to 3600 RPMs for one weekend to see if it would pick it up a little and all it did was throw off my reaction times.

I'm back to launching at 3800 RPMs with this 355. Probably could go a little higher but I think it'd just lead to alot of breakdowns.

Before I drove we did leave on 4400 rpms with a TCI converter. Swapped that to a B&M and that's when the sub 4000 rpm launches started, lol. With a B&M converter and a 406 leaving at 4400 rpms, the car was big time radical and impossible to drive. It'd just come up way too high, lol.

LowETz
10-22-2005, 11:59 PM
Hey Chevytrucks.... are you running any travel limiters on the car?

chevytrucks92
10-23-2005, 09:53 PM
Wheelie bars. We also have a steel cable on the driver side running from the front to the rear to try and reduce body roll.

We also have metal braces bolted to the heads and frame to try and keep the motor from twisting (again, trying to minimize body roll).

There's only so much you can do with a Vega and their 96 inch wheelbase though. I think we've got the 4-link and rear shocks adjusted pretty close now. It doesn't twist very much at all and it just does bring the left front off the ground. Of course, I dont have near the motor that it has had, but even with the 406, it didnt twist too bad (by twist I mean bring the left front way higher then the right front).

bigbadbowtie
10-28-2005, 01:02 PM
1) Car
2) Motor- 4,6,8,10 cyl.
3) Horsepower/Torque, NA/PA
4) Transmission- auto/stall, manual/pro shifted
5) Gear
6) 60', ET, MPH... NA/PA
7) Tire- street radial/ drag radial/ slick
8) Race weight


1978 z28 camaro. glass hood/trunk lid,cage,
355 sbc lunati roller,TFS heads,flat top pump gas engine.
No idea of what it makes.
th350 TCI manual valve body with a 9" 4000 stall
4.56 with a spool
best 60 has been a 1.52,best MPH was 127, best ET 10.78 in 1/4 Its been quick enough 1/8 to run in the 10.6x range.
28x11.5 et streets
3440 without me.

All passes have been footbraked,on pump 93 octane and 125 shot of nitrous.

Slowprocess
10-28-2005, 06:20 PM
1) 99 Chevrolet Silverado RCSB
2) 6.0L V8
3) No dyno
4) 4l60e, 3000 stall, put it in D and go
5) 3.73
6) 1.92(spinning), 1/8th-7.60@91.7mph No 1/4 mile before tranny screwed up
7) Mickey Thompson ET Street
8) 4400 lbs
9) stock leaf spring setup with 3/4 drop

chevytrucks92
10-29-2005, 12:59 AM
125 shot of nitrous.

Shit, I was going to say there's no way a 3500 pound car with a flat top 355 running on pump gas runs 10.70s.

90redgt
12-16-2005, 03:07 PM
1) 1990 5.0 Mustang GT
2) 331 5.4L stroker
3) 352rwhp- N/A
4) TKO 600 w/ pro5o shifter handle
5) 3.73 gears
6) 1.95, 12.77, 115 MPH... NA.
7) Drag radial
8) Full weight, nothing taken out (hatchback)

DeViL
12-16-2005, 07:12 PM
'01 S-10 Xtreme 2wd auto
-Hypertech Power Programmer
-Headers
-Cat-back exhaust
-4.10 Gears

10.2 <- 1/8th mile
*Soon to be improved with M/T ET Streets and a supercharger.

'88 Trans Am GTA auto
-Factory Stock, full weight
-5.7L V8

9.6 <- 1/8th mile

-Jayson-
01-27-2006, 10:39 AM
no offense devil but looking at your 1/8th mile im kinda glad now i didnt get an S10 extreme. I thought they would be good for alteast a 15 second quarter mile. My stock automatic Z24 cavalier ran 10.3

Chiquae07
01-28-2006, 02:24 AM
1) 2001 Nissan Sentra Se
2) 4 cylinder high port sr20de
3) crank 160/130 maybe, N/A
4) Auto
5) Stock...can't find out what they are,,,
6) dont remember,dont remember, 15.8
7) street
8) took out back seat and air freshiner....

LowETz
01-28-2006, 01:11 PM
1) Car
2) Motor- 4,6,8,10 cyl.
3) Horsepower/Torque, NA/PA
4) Transmission- auto/stall, manual/pro shifted
5) Gear
6) 60', ET, MPH... NA/PA
7) Tire- street radial/ drag radial/ slick
8) Race weight


1978 z28 camaro. glass hood/trunk lid,cage,
355 sbc lunati roller,TFS heads,flat top pump gas engine.
No idea of what it makes.
th350 TCI manual valve body with a 9" 4000 stall
4.56 with a spool
best 60 has been a 1.52,best MPH was 127, best ET 10.78 in 1/4 Its been quick enough 1/8 to run in the 10.6x range.
28x11.5 et streets
3440 without me.

All passes have been footbraked,on pump 93 octane and 125 shot of nitrous.


Ray-
Sounds nice.... got pics or vids?

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