im dieing to see both these cars run.. it will happen if my friend gets a gsx (2nd gen of course) now i was wondering this...

ok basically the stats are the same, but i was thinkin why does the wrx run nearly a sec faster in the 1/4 than the gsx if the wrx only has 17 more hp.. infact i think the eclipse is lighter than the wrx..
the mag times for the gsx i believe is a 15.2 and the subaru is 14.5

now obviously when they do these tests on awd cars they dont rag them out..ive heard of plenty of wrx owners run 14 flat stock. now even tho i dont think i have seen a time slip for a stock gsx im sure with the right driver they can be possibly in the mid 14s.

ive talked to my friend cuz i couldnt figure it out.. why wasnt the gsx atleast rated in the high 14s.. he tells me this "have u ever drove one?" i said "no, have u?" he said "yea, and they have no power until 4 grand"

so thats basically the difference, the power below the curve.. subaru has it, and the eclipse doesn't. but i bet if someone drives it right it can run a really nice time. way lower than a 15. but when they did these tests they probably launched them at 3 thousand rpms or maybe a lil higher.. and the eclipse just barely moved and the wrx shot out like a rocket.

if u can find any dynos, post them. i would really like to see the difference.

bench racers should be mircowaved

this has nothin to do with bench racing..im just sayin how both cars are simliar and rated nearly a sec different.

then take it to car campro

no wonder why u have over 6 thousand posts..

I think you are right about power under the curve. I know on my GSX, I got a solid amount of power through the mid range, but the stock turbo has serious issues holding boost past 5.5k RPMS or so. If the WRX is able to maintain the power, then is will definitely take a GSX. Keep in mind the GSX has its 210 hp at something like 5.5-6k RPMs. Past that, the turbo is useless.

I also believe you about power on the low side. I don't get a decent launch at anything lower than about 4.5k RPMs. Even then the stock clutch makes it a tricky deal. I had mine replaced recently and it still doesn't have much bury-you-in-your-seat grip. The fastest I've heard run on a stock clutch with a stock turbo is a 13.7. I bought a clutch from Advanced Discount Auto Parts when my original one went bad and it was supposed to be a "near OEM" one. I had it in for a little while and the difference when launching the car was night and day. I was jerking my neck back all the time when I'd let the clutch out too quickly at 3k. I unfortunately had to go back to stock after that one started slipping after 800 miles (it was defective, not me). The stock clutch has such wide "grab zone" its tough to really nail a good launch.

They are all factors. I know if I started seriously upgrading, my car would be a force to be reckoned with but a stock GSX is not impressive.

^:lol: @ qr25 sentra

so u ran a 13.7? what kind of work did u have done? just a few bolt ons? that sounds pretty sweet i bet u had to rag ur clutch out on that run didnt u? would u have got a gs-t instead?

i would love to race one from a roll, right in my powerband.

Oh no, certainly not me. One of the guys on the Eclipse/Talon/Laser forum posted that time. Not sure he ever posted a time slip but some of the experienced DSMers seemed ok with his claim. I will try to search for the thread for you but I think he had intake, 3" turboback exhaust and an mbc. Don't quote me on that.

I have never tested my car at a track. I'm putting some goodies in during August and I might take it then.

no wonder why u have over 6 thousand posts..
Wow yea, I'm sorry, I'm not a highschool drop out whos handing out katsup for a living.

Post count is the nearly as sad and desprate nooblet defence as, join dates.
BTW if you notice i've been here YEARS longer then you. So yea makes sence I have more posts.

I also happen as many know to run AF in the backround at work all the time and I'm allowed to at my job(s). So yea sorry I finish my work fast and have free time to kill in the office.

You can't even manage a simple forum correctly, so before you try to come back I invented glue and have a P.H.D. from Yale don't bother because we know you're lying.

DSMs are really restricted in stock form. Once you get a high flowing exaust, get all the supporting mods, replace that t25 turbo and turn up the boost you get massive power gains.

WRX still has turbo lag, but the awd would give it a big advantage on the launch, and its got planty of hp and torque along the powerband...I think you have to have a poor driver in the WRX to lose

PS I KNOW turbo lag...very very well

DSMs are really restricted in stock form. Once you get a high flowing exaust, get all the supporting mods, replace that t25 turbo and turn up the boost you get massive power gains.

Its a fun "get to learn cars" car. Big gains can be seen from mere bolt-ons and there is some room for some heavy duty tuning too. I want to get more into it, but resources are limited now. Eventually though...

I agree with you mason. I got spanked to hell and back by an STi and I had a modded (at least I/E) get beside me and take off (I didn't race but he wanted to) and he was clearly much faster. Stock vs. Stock, its a drivers race with more room for error on the side of the WRX.

If anyone has a WRX and lives near Boston or Orlando, we can test it out and post some actual results...

All i know about this stuff is... AWD<RWD

;)

Wow yea, I'm sorry, I'm not a highschool drop out whos handing out katsup for a living.

Post count is the nearly as sad and desprate nooblet defence as, join dates.
BTW if you notice i've been here YEARS longer then you. So yea makes sence I have more posts.

I also happen as many know to run AF in the backround at work all the time and I'm allowed to at my job(s). So yea sorry I finish my work fast and have free time to kill in the office.

You can't even manage a simple forum correctly, so before you try to come back I invented glue and have a P.H.D. from Yale don't bother because we know you're lying.

well yea bro im just sayin i wanted to hear things about the gsx like what other memebers have posted. and i thought what u put on there was pointless.. im not sayin u dont have a life, im sure ur life is pretty good and u have a lot goin for u.. good job man keep it up.. what exactly do u do for a living? i think im leaving for trade school in about a year in orlando.. (UTI) im gettin into workin on cars as well. and then i want to do real estate also when i get a little bit older..

but anyways back on topic.. i just wanted to say wow, i never knew with free and cheap mods u can nearly run a 12 in the gsx. i am very impressed.. do u think the wrx owners can do the same.. one of my friends has a boost controller and a 3 inch exhaust.. the other friend is stock.. how bad can he murk him if they were equal drivers(in the 1/4). im guessin the modded wrx is easily in the 13s.

like I've said before, the DSMs didn't get their rep being quick for sticking with the stock form. A DSM is so notorious for it's ability to make really good power for cheap. Stock form is simply, unimpressive.

go ahead, throw 2 grand or even 1 G into both a wrx and a gsx. I'd bet the gsx would come out on top.

well speaking from experience (i own a wrx), it doesnt have much low end power, but once u free up the restrictions (cats) by adding a TBE and up-pipe, you will feel a HELL of a difference, add an ecu upgrade and you're in the low 13s...

All i know about this stuff is... AWD<RWD

;)


I think you got that backwards :biggrin: But both are AWD so it doesn't really matter.

well yea bro im just sayin i wanted to hear things about the gsx like what other memebers have posted. and i thought what u put on there was pointless.. im not sayin u dont have a life, im sure ur life is pretty good and u have a lot goin for u.. good job man keep it up.. what exactly do u do for a living? i think im leaving for trade school in about a year in orlando.. (UTI) im gettin into workin on cars as well. and then i want to do real estate also when i get a little bit older..


Weird a logical and polite reply. The internet must be broken :lol2:

I am a higher ended temp, "work" at a furnature store *and spell horridly typo was funny so it stays* and when non summer I work part time both jobs and go to school full time. I am currently looking into transfer schools as I am going after a masters, I will be starting R.O.T.C. once I change Unis.

UTI is a very good school my friend is going to the one up in our area and is quite happy with it. Real esate is good not exactly what it's laid out to be but if your hard worker and have some luck.

If I had a sence of guilt I'd feel bad, you seem to be pretty cool. But all that was meant, was please use the right area for posts we have a car comparo area for just such questions. All us old timers esp my self and lack of any form of temper get real sick of seeing yet another who would win or whats better thread after the first 500.

I know gearing is a big factor for the WRX's acceleration. It's designed to make it fast from 0-60 rather than have the high top end of a grand tourer. As an example, at 60mph in 5th gear I'm at 3000rpm (or is that just me thinking it's a bit high?).

I don't know much about the GSX though.

I know gearing is a big factor for the WRX's acceleration. It's designed to make it fast from 0-60 rather than have the high top end of a grand tourer. As an example, at 60mph in 5th gear I'm at 3000rpm (or is that just me thinking it's a bit high?).

I don't know much about the GSX though.

lol yea its a bitch eh......

if by bitch you mean woman who takes all your money for a bit of fun...yes! =P Damn, fuel prices are a bitch these days.

well speaking from experience (i own a wrx), it doesnt have much low end power, but once u free up the restrictions (cats) by adding a TBE and up-pipe, you will feel a HELL of a difference, add an ecu upgrade and you're in the low 13s...


heh yah, too bad most wrx's i've seen up for sale cost 10 grand more than the gsx's i've found.

^^.....no shit, they're DSMs

and the wrx's were started production in 2002, gsx's were stopped in 1999

why did the GSX stop production in 99? not enough sales? Seems like a popular car now days.

I can speak for the gearing on a GSX. At about 65ish I'm boosting as well (3k rpms). It sounds as the WRXs and GSXs are comparable in that instance. I feel pretty confident in my car at lower speeds but highway racing sucks. I've never been in a GST but I hear thats the way to go for the +70mph stuff.

The GSXs stopped being produced because Mitsubishi wanted to reintroduce the Eclipse to a different audience. I'm not 100% sure of the timeline but EVOs were in production introduced shortly after the GSXs stopped. Basically Mitsu evolved the GSX into the EVO. Essentially the same engine but sold in a more tuned form. If you look at the way the DSMs are viewed now it makes sense. The RS and GS models are for the people who like the car for its character and the GST and GSX owners are usually tuners. I don't want to get flamed because plenty of people have tuned up RS and GS models but almost any DSMer will agree that it you are interested in speed, it is worth your while 99 out of a 100 times to just get a GST/X from the start

By essentially splitting the RS/GS and GST/GSX into the 2000+ Eclipse and the EVOs they could make more money because they could market the cars more appropriately. Just look at the price difference between the two lines. It would be funny to imagine a car salesman trying to justify a price difference of $12,000 because between the two identical (aesthetically) cars, one has a turbo and beefier engine. Nowadays, the sales people can be like "you want performance? Look at the EVO. You style and practicality? look at the Eclipse."

*I'd like to throw a disclaimer up that there is no hating going on in my post. I respect all cars and everyones personal motivations for going with whatever they have. I'm speaking more from a stereotype perspective so please don't flame me.

I can speak for the gearing on a GSX. At about 65ish I'm boosting as well (3k rpms). It sounds as the WRXs and GSXs are comparable in that instance. I feel pretty confident in my car at lower speeds but highway racing sucks. I've never been in a GST but I hear thats the way to go for the +70mph stuff.

The GSXs stopped being produced because Mitsubishi wanted to reintroduce the Eclipse to a different audience. I'm not 100% sure of the timeline but EVOs were in production introduced shortly after the GSXs stopped. Basically Mitsu evolved the GSX into the EVO. Essentially the same engine but sold in a more tuned form. If you look at the way the DSMs are viewed now it makes sense. The RS and GS models are for the people who like the car for its character and the GST and GSX owners are usually tuners. I don't want to get flamed because plenty of people have tuned up RS and GS models but almost any DSMer will agree that it you are interested in speed, it is worth your while 99 out of a 100 times to just get a GST/X from the start

By essentially splitting the RS/GS and GST/GSX into the 2000+ Eclipse and the EVOs they could make more money because they could market the cars more appropriately. Just look at the price difference between the two lines. It would be funny to imagine a car salesman trying to justify a price difference of $12,000 because between the two identical (aesthetically) cars, one has a turbo and beefier engine. Nowadays, the sales people can be like "you want performance? Look at the EVO. You style and practicality? look at the Eclipse."

*I'd like to throw a disclaimer up that there is no hating going on in my post. I respect all cars and everyones personal motivations for going with whatever they have. I'm speaking more from a stereotype perspective so please don't flame me.


Very good points brought up there. Mitsubishi has seen some tough financial issues and they needed a good business plan to help get up.
So they just yanked the gsx engine/tranny, stuck an EVO16g turbo on it and placed a more agressive looking version of the lancer's body to market a tuner/performance car separately. The 3g eclipses showed up to take over the eco/comfort department in the sports car coupe field. Now the choices had gone from gs-t,gsx/gs,rs to GT/gs,rs. Essentially having the GT just take over the spots the gs-t,gsx occupied as the 'higher powered model' of the eclipse. If someone came in to buy an eclipse but decided the i-4 in a gs,rs was underpowered for their taste, mitsu still offered a v6 with similar horsepower to the stock turbo dsms.

I don't know why I'm just reiterating what you just said but yes I agree completely.

I'm also well aware that the wrx is much newer than the gsx but that doesn't mean the prices are any different. I could care less what a car sold for 6 years ago, I care about what it sells for now, currently.