this is what i put on the V forums. i just copied and paste cuz i didnt want to write it over..

so like i told u all b4 in another thread. this boys parents bought him a 2006 eclipse and he thinks hes hot sh*t. lucky hes been raggin it out since hes got it.well anyways i was turnin onto the main road in my city.when i saw him and im like that mother f*cker... he turned first and was waitin for me.. goin 20 in a 35(yes that is the max speed limit in my city) so finally i was behind him in the other lane. i told my friend " i aint gonna do a ricer flyby, but i kno he will make me look stupid" ..

so i get next to him and punch him from 35 mph(low in my second gear)went all the way to the end of my 2nd gear at 65 and shut down with him about 2 cars behind me.. i kno u all are like wtf right now but lemme tell u so was i.. anyways

the cocky mother f*cker gets next to me and yells "hahahh i was punched out in 4th gear" then he says " come on ill run u in 3rd and beat u". so i slowed down to 25 but he didnt wanna go that low so he just takes off in 2nd gear at about 35 and lemme tell u that car has balls..

this kid has hated me for 2 yrs ever since i beat his 96 eclipse gs 5 spd and now he does have a faster car so theres nothin i can do. they run low 14s and trap at 100+. he yelled out the window "i smoke srt-4s 350 z's cobras" and all this sh*t i was like " yea ur dads car is pretty fast" and then he turned.

i find that most parents will eventually take their kids play toys away when they finish high school and move to college....or finish college...unless they live with their parents all through college or some shit and get free everything then get mommy and daddy to get a job for them and all this and the cycle continues...

oh well, just because a car is faster than yours on paper doesnt mean its faster on the road or track, remember, sometimes a car has to go slower (with better revs and handling) to go faster (gas brake gas brake gas)

anyone will tell you that the secret to going faster is to have better brakes...my se-r has the 4 disc brakes but not brembos, is yours a spec v?

im sorry u confused the hell outta me.

my point is just because he has more hp , how does that constitute a faster car?? cornering and handling and braking are the most important factors in speed, not horse power

"i smoke srt-4s 350 z's cobras" I doubt that eclipse is "smoking" any of these cars. All those cars run as fast or faster than that eclipse.

i bet that thing was expensive as hell too. so basically it might run with a 99-04 gt stang, in other words, its not going to beat a 350z or a cobra until hell freezes over. to tell u the truth im not impressed with the new eclipse at all, i dont really like em

i think the cobra he beat was a 98' vert, with a 5 spd. he probably got the jump and barely won.. now, i wanted an srt-4 for a yr now but im on my own now so i cant do it cuz of insurance and plus im savin up to move away and go to trade school (UTI).. so i was goin crazy and was like an srt-4 will smoke ur ass u soft ass lil bitch. and then the rest of the night me and friends got a few cases of bud and we went down town and i said " i dont care if im on probation, im gonna fuck him up" just bc he was talkin so much shit. u kno? i mean i dont try to act like a hard ass or anything but i garrantee any of u would have felt the same way if u woulda heard what he was saying. plus i hate the bitch.

if he beat a cobra he probably did a ricer fly-by... even the older ones had like 285 or more hp

The only cobra he beat in a race with his eclipse is this one

http://www.cobras.org/images/cobra1.jpg

get a bike.....they beat pretty much anything with four wheels with less than 500hp.....at least a 600 will....i raced a 1995 toyota supra with around 460hp with my old Kawi ZX-6R and beat it by many car lengths....plus their cheaper to run, maintain...etc....so if you really have the need for speed CBR 600 F2s are selling for 1500 to 3000 dollars.....they won't smoke a 460hp supra but that eclipse would be embarrassed....btw i think the styling on those eclipses are very good, however i heard that they were heavy as hell and couldn't break the skid pad past .80Gs.....that's not very impressive performance IMO....

you guys are underestimating the new v6 eclipse. those things really do haul. they trap at 101mph for crying out loud. that may not be faster then a SRT-4 or a cobra but it definitly is faster then a 350Z from a roll. and it will run almost neck to neck with a well driven 04-05 SRT-4.

that car is so underated, theres no official dynos yet but that car weights 3500 lbs and it can trap over 100 mph. there is no way a 263hp car can do that because a 350Z traps around 99-100mph and weights 3200 lbs and makes 287hp.

definitly a very fast car. and will run neck to neck with a stock 98 cobra.

I like the look of the new Eclipse, but damn it's a heavy mofo. A FWD sports car should not wiegh 3500 pounds.

It appears that mitsubishi listened when people asked them to bring back something like the GSX. I have yet to see any out on the street, driven by a couple at the Mitsu dealership though.

damn the z is 3200 lbs? that thing weighs more than a gtr34 and its not even (single) turbocharged....what a joke....at least edmunds.com has spyshots of the 2007-2008 GTR (looks like a Z with a wing, i hate the curvy body nissans, i prefer the boxy skylines and silvias)

The two problems with the new eclipse:

It's fat (3500 pounds for FWD), should be closer to 3000

It's FWD. Mitsubishi needs to make an AWD version.

Good run nonetheless.

when i think about havin bikes race cars i think its pointless.. my friends wont race bikes or my friends with bikes wont race cars.. its another league all together.. my friend did race a boss hog recently with his 02 R6 and got smoked. lol but anyways about the new eclipse..

he doesnt kno how to drive.. from what i heard he hasnt raced from a dig and ran a wrx from a roll and didnt pull at all.. (wrx has 3 inch exhaust and a boost controller) still i think with a good driver and from a roll the eclipse should win.

and he was talkin about racin this boy with a 2003 gli from a roll only.. i mean come on now he has another liter of engine.. if he has trouble with that then he really should trade his car in. and get a geo metro or something.

damn the z is 3200 lbs? that thing weighs more than a gtr34 and its not even (single) turbocharged....what a joke....at least edmunds.com has spyshots of the 2007-2008 GTR (looks like a Z with a wing, i hate the curvy body nissans, i prefer the boxy skylines and silvias)


errrr actually the R34 is 3500 lbs as well, the R33 is around the same weight but is alittle larger then the R34. the R32 is 3200 lbs being the smallest ones. the twin turbo Z is 3500 lbs. so 3200 lbs is not that much for the 350Z.

esp compared to a FWD eclipse that weights 3500 lbs. i have no clue why its so damn heavy, i think the engine is made of led or something.

Lots of people don't like the 350Z, I dont know why. I like it alot though. I think its a really nice car.

Lots of people don't like the 350Z, I dont know why. I like it alot though. I think its a really nice car.
Take it for a test drive. It might change the way you feel about it. It did for me. Before I thought it was a really great car, just from looking at the specs. Than I drove one. It was really loud even at 60 mph. Noise was mostly coming from the tires, and when you turned the music on, it seemed to get much louder. I wouldn't buy one after that.

Take it for a test drive. It might change the way you feel about it. It did for me. Before I thought it was a really great car, just from looking at the specs. Than I drove one. It was really loud even at 60 mph. Noise was mostly coming from the tires, and when you turned the music on, it seemed to get much louder. I wouldn't buy one after that.

I drive a mustang haha, refinement isn't really a top priority to me. However I do not want to discredit your opinion. I will test drive one as soon as I am back in the states. The specs are decent, nothing mind blowing though, but it is just a cool looking package.

notice how everyone assumes its a v6 eclipse.

it might be the 4 cylinder one.

Take it for a test drive. It might change the way you feel about it. It did for me. Before I thought it was a really great car, just from looking at the specs. Than I drove one. It was really loud even at 60 mph. Noise was mostly coming from the tires, and when you turned the music on, it seemed to get much louder. I wouldn't buy one after that.
i hate how the clutch like jumps back out at you....when drove one it the clutch had no feel to it.....it grabbed well but it just felt like driving a cavalier.....my mom had one....the 5 speed was fun back in the day...hehe

i've driven a few and i love them. the car is waaaay quieter then my car, the interior is a perfect driver's car interior. the only grip is that there's almost no 3/4 rear vision so the blind spot is hugh. the tranny is alittle notchy but it still has decently well defined gates. the clutch is soft and springy but so are all BMW clutches. you can't even feel the catch point on the bimmers but it allows you to drive very smoothly like the bimmers. the tire noise i can understand becasue thats strictly an alignment problem along with the tire choice they used for the car stock. not a big deal.

i still love that car to death.

man my clutch is stiff as fuck... i drove a focus and i couldnt even feel it after driving my car. but anyway, i dont see how a fwd car can be that heavy either, and i dont see the point of making a car with an engine like that fwd either. maybe they made it heavy so it could get some traction...

man my clutch is stiff as fuck... i drove a focus and i couldnt even feel it after driving my car. but anyway, i dont see how a fwd car can be that heavy either, and i dont see the point of making a car with an engine like that fwd either. maybe they made it heavy so it could get some traction...

Thats because the mustangs till 05 had a cable to open the clutch rather than hydrolic fluid. Put a clutch quadrant and aftermarket clutch on there and you will have a whole new meaning of heavy clutch.

its cool tho cause i like it that way

I drive a mustang haha, refinement isn't really a top priority to me. However I do not want to discredit your opinion. I will test drive one as soon as I am back in the states. The specs are decent, nothing mind blowing though, but it is just a cool looking package.

i kno this kid, he works at the same place i do, except hes temporary.. and its definitly a V6.

yeah the eclipse is pretty quick. fastest eclipse yet.


in the right sitiuations the eclipse could take out those cars. since i've seen all those cars, exept the 350Z run at the track and some of the srt-4's were running high 14s

i kno this kid, he works at the same place i do, except hes temporary.. and its definitly a V6.

Sorry I don't understand, could you explain this one to me again?

meh didnt feel fast to me and god the steering was downright scary

a friend of mine also took one out she said same thing about it nearly word for word and her car sucks!

notice how everyone assumes its a v6 eclipse.

it might be the 4 cylinder one.

sorry i replied to the wrong quote.. this is the quote i wanted to reply to.. yea i kno the kid and i saw the engine.. 3.8 and hes been redlining it ever since he got it.. no doubt it is a V6 even if i didn't see the emblem on the back.

yea i kno the kid and i saw the engine.. 3.8 and hes been redlining it ever since he got it..

well atleast this way it wont be long till he breaks it...

i just saw him an hour ago he was revvin the piss out of it when he past me downtown..

i just wish i could get a 5 spd swap.. i would be so much happier. and it is possible that i can get into the 13s all motor.

anyone ever get a quote from level 10? i heard 3 grand for a fully built tranny.

New Eclipse is lame. The only reason it’s getting a pass from people and the media is it’s name and because it’s an import. Think about it if GM, Ford or Chrysler made a 3500 lbs sport compact everybody would be ripping on them.

Style is the only reason I can see for some one to buy one. I mean not only does the Mustang out accelerate and out handle the Eclipse it also has more interior space.

New Eclipse is lame. The only reason it’s getting a pass from people and the media is it’s name and because it’s an import. Think about it if GM, Ford or Chrysler made a 3500 lbs sport compact everybody would be ripping on them.

Style is the only reason I can see for some one to buy one. I mean not only does the Mustang out accelerate and out handle the Eclipse it also has more interior space.

I perfer the stlying of the mustang to that of the eclipse. How much are they new? I figured it'd be 20-25 grand.

I perfer the stlying of the mustang to that of the eclipse. How much are they new? I figured it'd be 20-25 grand.
MSRP on the Eclipse GT is $23,699.

Who would ever pick that ugly Ecplipse over the new GT?

You get A LOT more car with the Mustang.

Styling is always relative. To tell you the truth, I hate the styling on the Mustang. I hate that retro stuff, we've already moved out of the 60s. The Eclipse looks like a very modern car with nice curves.

I hate that retro stuff, we've already moved out of the 60s.

So what!?! I say bring on the '60s for one more round. The best cars in history came from the '60s and it'd be bad ass to see them running around one more time. See the new MotorTrend, Bullitt rematch, it's not the same but it's still awesome.

Prices remained a secret at press time, but we were told to expect the base four-cylinder GS to start "just under $20,000," the GT V-6 about $25,000, and a loaded GT like the one pictured here for about $28,000. The Spyder convertible arrives in early 2006.

Why would I pay that for an Eclipse? I'd rather spend the money on a real car.

C/D TEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION: Seconds
Zero to 30 mph: 2.2
40 mph: 3.1
50 mph: 4.6
60 mph: 6.1
70 mph: 7.7
80 mph: 9.5
90 mph: 11.9
100 mph: 14.5
110 mph: 17.3
120 mph: 23.5
130 mph: 29.3
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.4
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 10.0
50-70 mph: 9.8
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.5 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed: (governor limited) 134 mph

FUEL ECONOMY
EPA city driving: 18 mpg
EPA highway driving: 27 mpg
C/D-observed: 15 mpg

YEAH! This thing sounds like it'd be a great car!

hahaha it can't even brake 5 secs!! thats great.. and this kid can't race from digs as it is... if a decent driver can do a mid 14 then he is runnin high 14s or low 15s..

The Eclipse looks like a modern car? Haha, I guess I learn something new every day.

The Eclipse is deffinitely targeted towards the teenage drivers. IMO it's one of the UGLIEST cars on the road.

Shit, give me an Aztek.

Styling is always relative. To tell you the truth, I hate the styling on the Mustang. I hate that retro stuff, we've already moved out of the 60s. The Eclipse looks like a very modern car with nice curves.
The new Eclipse is a retro car, look at the 1999 Eclipse.

2nd generation > the rest..

plain and simple

well id take the mustang too... but im kinda surprised to see the rest of u say that. right on.

Think about it if GM, Ford or Chrysler made a 3500 lbs sport compact everybody would be ripping on them.

Hmm, maybe Mitsu is on to something, a "Port(ly) Compact"!

They'll probably have it as one of the main cars in the next fast and the furious and everyone (who likes those movies) will think it's one of the best cars you can buy.

They'll probably have it as one of the main cars in the next fast and the furious and everyone (who likes those movies) will think it's one of the best cars you can buy.

:grinno:

They probably put it up against a new ZO6 or the '07 GT-500 and it'll beat both of them going backwards. Basically how they made the Yenko look really slow to the EVO :disappoin

Since everyone is comparing the Eclipse to the new Mustang, I think it's a wrog comparison, because the Mustang is meant for 60 year old guys who had a Mustang back in the 60's, while the Eclipse is meant for someone in their 20s.

Since everyone is comparing the Eclipse to the new Mustang, I think it's a wrog comparison, because the Mustang is meant for 60 year old guys who had a Mustang back in the 60's, while the Eclipse is meant for someone in their 20s.

What???

The Mustang is for 60 year olds? :screwy:

The new Eclipse is for teenage girls. The 2nd gen Eclipse are the only ones who are respected as far as racing goes.

Ever since the last one, you see girls in them. And this new Eclipse looks worse than the previous one.

How is a mustang meant for a 60 year old? The new eclipse is going to be just like the current one, the owners will make up 99 percent of the people who like it.

2nd generation > the rest..

plain and simple


:iagree:

Yes, the Mustang is for 60 year olds. Why else would Ford style it the way it did? It's because today's 60 year olds were in their 20's when the Mustang came out, and a lot of them probably drooled over it. If they would have meant for it to be driven by 20 somethings, than they would have chose a little bit more modern styling, with more curves, instead of the retro styling.

Yes, the Mustang is for 60 year olds. Why else would Ford style it the way it did? It's because today's 60 year olds were in their 20's when the Mustang came out, and a lot of them probably drooled over it. If they would have meant for it to be driven by 20 somethings, than they would have chose a little bit more modern styling, with more curves, instead of the retro styling.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

A LOT of younger people like the retro styling, including me. I would pick it over any other 90+ "curvy" Mustang.

Next time you pass a new Mustang, look inside to see how many old vs young people you will find driving it. :lol:

if i could do it over again i would get a 2nd gen gsx, hell i liked them since i was 8 yrs old when they first came out and i still like them. i would get a dark grey color with the blacked out headlights.

clawhammer, please try to put your loyaties aside for a minute, we know you hate domestics. thats not the point of the discussion here.

Since everyone is comparing the Eclipse to the new Mustang, I think it's a wrong comparison, because the Mustang is meant for 60 year old guys who had a Mustang back in the 60's, while the Eclipse is meant for someone in their 20s.

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That's about the stupidest most biased statement I think I've ever heard.

EVERYBODY (except you) knows that Ford styled the Mustang this was because EVERYBODY (except you) loves that body style and thinks the '60's had the best Mustangs.

Yes, the Mustang is for 60 year olds. Why else would Ford style it the way it did? It's because today's 60 year olds were in their 20's when the Mustang came out, and a lot of them probably drooled over it. If they would have meant for it to be driven by 20 somethings, than they would have chose a little bit more modern styling, with more curves, instead of the retro styling.

:sleeping: Oh did you say something?

Um if I remember my stats right, something like 65% of the lat generation of mustang owners were women who bought the V6 Automatic

If its not 65% its around 50% so you cant really say its for men...I mean what man buys a Mustang and gets the V6 w/auto. but thats the highest seling model of the car

Eclipse Vs Mustang... they are very hard to compare but....V6 to V6 Eclipse hands down no contest...V6 to V8 Mustang hands down

Um if I remember my stats right, something like 65% of the lat generation of mustang owners were women who bought the V6 Automatic

If its not 65% its around 50% so you cant really say its for men...I mean what man buys a Mustang and gets the V6 w/auto. but thats the highest seling model of the car

Eclipse Vs Mustang... they are very hard to compare but....V6 to V6 Eclipse hands down no contest...V6 to V8 Mustang hands down


Oh please! The V6 is the base model. If you wanna compare the Mustang V6, compare it to the 4 banger Eclipse. And the new V6s aren't too shabby either.

"We knew something wasn't right with the 2003 movie 2 Fast 2 Furious. Specifically, we could not believe the angry, muscular ex-convict played by Tyrese Gibson would not only tolerate--but want to drive--a purple Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder.

This was way too cute and girly of a car to be a male protagonist's ride of choice in a film about illegal street racing in cutting-edge Japanese vehicles. Now, based on data generated by Kelley Blue Book last week, we can quantify the Eclipse's femininity: the Eclipse Spyder convertible has the highest percentage of female registrants of any car on the market. The hardtop Eclipse coupe has the fourth highest."

http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/05/23/cx_dl_0523feat.html

I guess I need to make some things clear. I am not a strictly import guy. I think that those new C6 Corvettes are really awesome. GM did a good job on them, lots of power, looks good on the outside, and for the first time on the inside as well. There are a few other domestics that I like also (Solstice, G6, etc). However I really dislike the new Mustangs. I really hate the styling on them. A lot of people seem to think that the 60's Mustangs were the best ones, well I really don't. It's because of technology. The 05 mustangs are far better because of it, Ford just really messed up the styling (at least in my opinion), but I'm sure it's going to be a popular sports car, but propably because of older guys.

of course everyone has there opinion.

if some of you like the stang styling better than the eclipse, that is your opinion.

if you like the styling of the eclipse better than the stang, that too is your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that.

me personally, i like the styling of the eclipse better than that of the stang, but i'd choose the stang as a whole car over the eclipse anyday.

and to keep things going, i also would take this new eclipse over any of the older ones. period.

i like the styling best, it is stock, the fastest eclipse yet. and its doing it, not only heavier, but N/A

i wouldnt worry about the aftermarket for this puppy because it already has 50 aftermarket parts before it ever hit the floor.

this is my opinion

Oh please! The V6 is the base model. If you wanna compare the Mustang V6, compare it to the 4 banger Eclipse. And the new V6s aren't too shabby either.

"We knew something wasn't right with the 2003 movie 2 Fast 2 Furious. Specifically, we could not believe the angry, muscular ex-convict played by Tyrese Gibson would not only tolerate--but want to drive--a purple Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder.

Sorry, after studying Finance and Statistics for about 13 hours Im a lil light headed...I completely forgot the eclipse had an I4 option

Eclipse Mustang

I4 < V6
V6 > V6
V6 < V8

Thats my opinion

and yeah the Eclipse spyder was NOT the car for 2fast 2 furious (as bad a movie as it was), but Mitsubishi paid them a boat load of money to drive mitsubishi cars, and they neded 2.... would this have been better?

Paul Walker: Look here bro, we gotta win this race bro, Ill take the Evo bro

Tyrese: yeah homeboy ill be ridin ma Montero Sport braaa.. This race is over, my Montero Sport will kill you bro!!!! I run these streets!! and the dirt trails bro!!

Obviously the looks are gonna be a matter of taste, but we can't argue with the fact that the Mustang outperforms the Eclipse.

I still think that buying a car that already has a turbo in it opens up a lot more possibilities than an N/A V6.

Both cars around here are already being over run by shit head drivers. And the owners of both seem to think they've got super cars. At least that's the attitude most of them have around here...

Both cars around here are already being over run by shit head drivers. And the owners of both seem to think they've got super cars. At least that's the attitude most of them have around here...

shit happens... maybe they'll all wreck or something

but on another note, im leavin for a week, later. might be comin back with another car tho. not to replace my mustang tho

Both cars around here are already being over run by shit head drivers. And the owners of both seem to think they've got super cars. At least that's the attitude most of them have around here...


Blame it on "The new Mitsubishi Eclipse V6, it demands respect" commercial or whatever they say. People are taking it to a whole new level.

Seriously, who wants a Ferrari when you can have an Eclipse :uhoh:

Blame it on "The new Mitsubishi Eclipse V6, it demands respect" commercial or whatever they say. People are taking it to a whole new level.

Seriously, who wants a Ferrari when you can have an Eclipse :uhoh:

Thats no shit. I like both cars, but I think there is only one GS-T in my whole town, all the rest are GS & RS and one 3rd Gen GT. But it's the ones with the low end models hot shoting around like they are gods???

dude that i got a buddy with the new mustang, he changed the rims on it and it looks like the one straight out BULLETT the Steve McQueen Movie i would take the stang anyday over the new eclipse. my 2g looked so much better

I had a new Eclipse on my ass on the freeway. I thought it was a new G6 or Bonneville or whatever so I got out the way cuz those new Pontiacss are quick. Then I notice it was an eclipse and I almost barfed all over my nice dress clothes... fugly! Oh and it had a 60something year old guy driving it. He thought he was the shit, until he got behind traffic and didn't know what to do or how to handle a big fat 3500lb POS.

I'm not really too big on the new stangs, but I must say the GT owns. When I see dual pipes and a big fat GT emblem I think nice car. Personally though, I think the 2004 Saleen or Cobra (or whatever package it is) Mustang is the nicest, especially gunmetal/anthracite with matching bullet rims w/ polished lip...

I had a new Eclipse on my ass on the freeway. I thought it was a new G6 or Bonneville or whatever so I got out the way cuz those new Pontiacss are quick. Then I notice it was an eclipse and I almost barfed all over my nice dress clothes... fugly! Oh and it had a 60something year old guy driving it. He thought he was the shit, until he got behind traffic and didn't know what to do or how to handle a big fat 3500lb POS.

I'm not really too big on the new stangs, but I must say the GT owns. When I see dual pipes and a big fat GT emblem I think nice car. Personally though, I think the 2004 Saleen or Cobra (or whatever package it is) Mustang is the nicest, especially gunmetal/anthracite with matching bullet rims w/ polished lip...

wait till u see the 07 cobra... 465hp, 495tq

I still think that buying a car that already has a turbo in it opens up a lot more possibilities than an N/A V6.

you got a good point.

but from my knowledge, this new eclipse is built turbo ready from the jump. meaning its got everything it needs, just slap a turbo on it and its ready.

we'll see what happens in a month or 2. cause if this is true(its turbo ready) a V6 turbo will be more of my liking then a 4cylinder turbo

you got a good point.

but from my knowledge, this new eclipse is built turbo ready from the jump. meaning its got everything it needs, just slap a turbo on it and its ready.

we'll see what happens in a month or 2. cause if this is true(its turbo ready) a V6 turbo will be more of my liking then a 4cylinder turbo
Yeah, should be intersting to see. Have there been any dyno numbers out yet?

I doubt its really turbo ready. Its not going to be any easier to add a turbo onto this car than any other car. At 260 hp on a 6 cylinder, its got to have pretty high compression. The motor wouldn't be having such high output now if it were already tuned to run with a turbo. Its just like saying that you could add a turbo to a N/A supra and have it as good as the turbo supra, its not going to happen.

I doubt its really turbo ready. Its not going to be any easier to add a turbo onto this car than any other car. At 260 hp on a 6 cylinder, its got to have pretty high compression. The motor wouldn't be having such high output now if it were already tuned to run with a turbo. Its just like saying that you could add a turbo to a N/A supra and have it as good as the turbo supra, its not going to happen.
You can still add a turbo to a higher compression engine, it's just that you cannot run as high amount of boost as with a lower compression engine.

BTW that compression is 10.5:1, which is a bit high.

I understand that it can be added to a high compression engine, but that dosn't make the engine turbo ready. Every motor would be turbo ready in that case.

oh man i hated that commercial where it says " the new eclipse gt demands respect" the first car to bow down was a 3rd gen RX-7 TT. yeah right that freaking car will bow down to the eclipse. i almost started to hate the eclipse for that stupid ad. however i still like this eclipse alot. stock for stock, this is honestly the best eclipses hands down, and no one can deny its speed.

turtlecrxsi you think the pontiac G6's are fast? or the new v8 bonnevilles? or the super charged GTP comp G's are fast? the eclipse GT stock is faster then all of them. and can run with the LS1 powered GTO's. no body can deny a 100+ mph trap speed.

Even with a turbo, the new eclipse is going to always have a major problem-FWD

Even with a turbo, the new eclipse is going to always have a major problem-FWD
Does Mitsubishi have any plans for releasing an AWD version of the Eclipse?

an awd twin turbo would be sick.. i would get one just to piss this kid off. :)

an awd twin turbo would be sick.. i would get one just to piss this kid off. :)

Maybe they could call it the eclipse vr4.

I don't know if the will AWD it, i'm still trying to figure I why they didn't do it already. It probably would have murdered all EVO sales<not that that would matter to them.

stock for stock, this is honestly the best eclipses hands down, and no one can deny its speed.
It’s the fastest, but it’s not hands down the best. It would have to be the fastest and the best handling to be hands down the best. I know the gen 2 and I think the gen 1 both outhandle it.

Mod for mod the gen 2 GSX it still the best Eclipse.

and can run with the LS1 powered GTO's
No it can’t. Eclipse (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0507_mitsu_eclipse/index4.html) GTO (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0312_gto/index4.html)

It can run with the Grand Prix GXP. (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0506_grip/index8.html)

^ hell yea! :)

It’s the fastest, but it’s not hands down the best. It would have to be the fastest and the best handling to be hands down the best. I know the gen 2 and I think the gen 1 both outhandle it.

Mod for mod the gen 2 GSX it still the best Eclipse.


No it can’t. Eclipse (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0507_mitsu_eclipse/index4.html) GTO (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0312_gto/index4.html)

It can run with the Grand Prix GXP. (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0506_grip/index8.html)

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I've seen a GSX (obviously modded) run with a 450hp supercharged LS1. I actually wanted one for awhile but my dad said no cause Mitsu is having business troubles.

Yeah, but a GSX isn't under warranty anymore anyway. <I don't know why anyone would want a non AWD eclipse.

that is actually the fastest time and trap speed i ever saw for a ls1 gto.

Well Inside Line’s test of the 04' GTO (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=101578) showed a 5.5 sec 0-60 and a 14 sec 1/4 mile, but there test of the 06' Eclipse (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=105582) showed a 6.8 sec 0-60 and a 14.9 1/4 mile.

The 04' GTO is a 3700 lbs 350 HP RWD car.
The 06' Eclipse is a 3500 lbs 260 HP FWD car.

There is no way the Eclipse can keep up. If the new Eclipse was light like 1 & 2 gen it would be neck and neck with the GTO, but Mitsubishi decided to build a tank.

im sorry but no way in hell the eclipse only runs a 14.9, try about a 14.2 at 103.

this kid is tellin everyone he hung with me while he was in 5th gear. at 40 mph that is complete bull shit..

he was in 4th and i was low rpms in 2 at about 3k ...then i pulled 2 cars at the top of my 2nd which is 65. sorry but this kid is gonna get slapped.

Location location location...we've all seen them run different times at different places. So i think we can safely say that an 04 Goat will run between 13.5-14.0 depending on location and conditions and a new clipse will run between 14.2-14.7.... Now honestly, who cares unless you own either of these cars?

Location location location...we've all seen them run different times at different places. So i think we can safely say that an 04 Goat will run between 13.5-14.0 depending on location and conditions and a new clipse will run between 14.2-14.7.... Now honestly, who cares unless you own either of these cars?


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I agree. I wanna see an Eclipse trap 103 mph! The GTO makes about 40 whp more than an Eclipse does at the crank. There's no way a couple of hundred lbs will make up for that.

the difference is FWD

the difference is FWD

The difference is almost 100 hp and 80 lb/ft of torque.

well im just tellin u they trap 100+ stock. wait til u see one with a good driver at the track.

those ls1 gtos arent that good... kinda bad actually, only 5.5 0-60. the new 05 mustangs beat the ls1 gtos, and arent far off the pace of the ls2 gtos.

those ls1 gtos arent that good... kinda bad actually, only 5.5 0-60. the new 05 mustangs beat the ls1 gtos, and arent far off the pace of the ls2 gtos.

I test drove an LS1 and the performance didn't impress me at all. However, the GTO is already faster to 60 than the Eclipse. After that, it will only keep on pulling.

i have a question for the mustang owners out there....why do they always have the least horsepower out of the 100k and below domestic cars....the new ZO6 Corvette 500hp, Dodge Viper 500hp, Chrysler Crossfire SRT-8 425....i know they're trying to be more price friendly but when it comes to the cobra and stuff like that why don't they at least try to match everyone else?...

they do and did, in 03 the cobra was a pure monster
able to run with the 99 vipers and c5 vettes it could eat up.

the next cobra and shelby will be right on there tails

Well they did beat the crossfire the cobra will have over 450 I have heard 475 already. Its a mustang for crying out lould, a corvette is a sports car, a viper is a sports car, the crossfire is the only one that you can even buy a lower model for under 40000 and the mustang has more power.

i guess i was more so referring to the 450hp gt500....i know 450hp is badass however the new Z06 and maybe the 2004 viper would eat it for lunch...

Who cares, plus I am not certain that it would be "eaten for lunch" in a drag race. The last cobra had recorded times in the mid to upper 12s stock, now that was an old chassis, with a retrofitted IRS. The new one is a really solid design with a proper solid axel and an ass load or torque and more displacement with a better blower. We will wait and see but a 80000 dollar viper and a 75000 dollar vette you would think would be able to beat a car half its cost by more than a couple 10ths. Personally I think that if its beaten in a quartermile, it won't be much. Dollar for dollar you can't argue. Plus you know what a pulley and a computer chip could do for an 03 cobra, this one will only be better.

The advantages to starting with the blower. :lol:


those ls1 gtos arent that good... kinda bad actually, only 5.5 0-60. the new 05 mustangs beat the ls1 gtos, and arent far off the pace of the ls2 gtos.
Are you kidding me??
The GTO is NOT meant to be a strip car. There have been fast ones, yes. But overall, it is meant to be more of a 'Gentlemen's Express.'
Nice ride, power, basicly plain.

5.5 to 60?? That is bad?? Wow.

i rather buy something for half the price and barely get beat stock...

Hey there aren't many people that have room to talk badly about an LS1 powered car period. Half the price is going to have a tough time breaking into 15s.

i have a feeling that the new cobras will smoke a lot of cars, the numbers from ford are 465hp, 495tq. they may change, or maybe they already have, but thats the last i saw. and i think i read somewhere that the only difference between that motor and the 550hp ford gt motor is pulleys. and the base corvette has 400hp right. itll beat those and cost less. the z06 costs a butt load of money. you cant just say under100k. 25k and 80k is an extremely large difference. as is 40k and 80k. and as i was referring to earlier, the 300hp mustang is beating the 350hp gto. so hp isnt always everything. mr luos, wasnt saying 5.5 0-60 is bad, sure beats the hell outa my car. but i dont think its that great for the amount of power the car puts out.

Even if the new Cobra is in fact close to the C6 Z06 in straight line performance, the Z06 will be a track monster! You can't get a better car with the power and handling of a Z06 for that money.

Agreed

Nurburgring lap times:

7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)

The base model is only 4 seconds slower than the SLR. Think about what the Z06 will do with a better suspension and 100 more hp.

agreed, thats another issue. thats where the price comes into play

http://www.z06vette.com/gallery/data/500/6135image.jpg
Actually this is the updated one list:

7:28-7:40 - Porsche Carrera GT with multiple attempts, different drivers and track conditions
7:40 - C6 Corvette Z06 <------
7:40 - Mercedes SLR
7:43 - 996 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago
7:44 - Pagani Zonda C12S
7:46 - 996 Porsche 911 GT2
7:50 - BMW M3 CSL
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo
7:56 - C5 Corvette Z06
7:56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
7:56 - 996 Porsche 911 Turbo

mr luos, wasnt saying 5.5 0-60 is bad, sure beats the hell outa my car. but i dont think its that great for the amount of power the car puts out.
Low 13's in that big of a car.
Impressive in my book.
They aren't supposed to be racers. They are meant for mean cruisers.

LS1s run low 13s stock? I've heard of LS2s running low 13s high 12s, but not LS1s. When I test drove it, it didn't seem like a low 13 second car at all. But I'd still take it over an F-body. I can live with being half a second slower in the 1/4 but having a decent interior instead.

i kno a boy with an 04 gto auto lost to an evo from a 25mph roll..

What's your point?

Dunno what gives w/ all the hate for the new Eclipse. I believe safety standards have changed over the years, which is why it is soo heavy, kinda like the new Mustang GT. The new eclipse isn't too bad, i've seen them tested to a 14 sec. flat 1/4 mile. I hope they make an AWD version soon. The car is based on a family car platform, so any hopes of it being what it use to be are non existant. Besides, don't expect Mitsubishi to make a car faster then the Evo.

14 flat? i doubt it was on street tires.. i mean im not callin bs but i never heard of a maxima hittin 14 flat stock.

04 mustang gts have done that on street tires, but not comon and its a rear drive car.

I hope they make an AWD version soon.

My understanding is that they wont with this model, and I dunno if they will again.

LS1s run low 13s stock? I've heard of LS2s running low 13s high 12s, but not LS1s. When I test drove it, it didn't seem like a low 13 second car at all. But I'd still take it over an F-body. I can live with being half a second slower in the 1/4 but having a decent interior instead.
Depends on what car the motor is in. I was refering to the LS2 version.

LS1 GTO = Upper 13's, low 14's
LS2 GTO = Lower 13's
LS1 Corvette = Upper 12's, lower 13's
LS2 Corvette = Lower-mid 12's
LS1 F-Body = Lower-mid 13's

LS1 F-Body = Lower-mid 13's
I disagree with that assessment. I've seen several 98-00 Z28's tested to high 13's stock. Only a few of the LS1's were in the low 13's in the magazines. I mean it all depends on your track condtions. If you run at etown, at a relatively low temperature (60 degrees), and with great track prep, you'd probably see low 13's. That isn't all tracks though. My point is most LS1's run high to mid 13's.

I have talked to 2 guys that have gotten into the 12's with their LS1 powered cars. Stock. I asked if they swapped tires or anything. They said they were on stock tires and stock paper air filter.

I think with a decent driver, any LS1 powered F-Body that hasn't been abused can run a low 13 stock. Of course, that does depend on the track. Anything over 2000 feet, or 90 degrees with affect that.

Wow, I love how this dimished into a debate over New Chevy's andFord's, ratehr than a race that has yet to complete occur, I am just totally lost, and this thread is also prolly dead, boo I missed it....

my point is just because he has more hp , how does that constitute a faster car?? cornering and handling and braking are the most important factors in speed, not horse power

more hp "constitutes" a faster car, because it has more hp. how does a brake pad and say a strut bar make a car faster than the car thats got more engine? thats like saying putting a wing on a neon really does make it faster?

and i know what your thinkin, around corners and shit, maybe, but thats only gonna be if there within 5-20hp (guessing) of each other and depending on the weight. But if you put a Geo Metro against a Civic, the Civic's gonna win, weither that Metro has Brembo brakes and a full roll cage or not.

A pickup truck has more power than my car, but I'm faster. My friend's Lexus is rater at 200crank, and Im only at 184 crank, but I'm faster. My car has more HP than a motorcycle, but a bike is faster. HP=/=Faster

its all about power to weight ratio, and power below the curve... as i found out u want to max tq to be at the lowest rpm possible and ur peak hp to be at the highest rpm.. like mine. peak tq 3800 and peak rpm 6000.

A pickup truck has more power than my car, but I'm faster. My friend's Lexus is rater at 200crank, and Im only at 184 crank, but I'm faster. My car has more HP than a motorcycle, but a bike is faster. HP=/=Faster

"...other and depending on the weight." you might have overlooked something I wrote in the previous post. just pointing it out to ya so you can stop paraphrasing me as much as i enjoy it.

its all about power to weight ratio, and power below the curve... as i found out u want to max tq to be at the lowest rpm possible and ur peak hp to be at the highest rpm.. like mine. peak tq 3800 and peak rpm 6000.

power to weight ratio isnt all that much an indicator of speed either, especially if were talking about a race from a roll.

It also has to do with weight transfer, gearing and a host of other things. I always welcome more power but its clearly not the only thing that counts.

Now yall are fighting over this...Oh how the mighty fall, this is all up to the point of view here, a straight line car with massive HP(lets use an NHRA Funny car for example) will not be able to turn...period, therefore making somebodies moped faster than it in the twisties. Get teh idea, next up is the idea that your car is fast for what purpose you are building it for, an auto-x car against a drag car, it's liek compairing apples and oranges...It just doesn't equate.