Hatchbacks - Any Recommendations?


AtomicGamer
07-20-2005, 06:06 PM
Hi,

For some reason I really like the styling of the hatchbacks so I'm looking at a hatchback right now. I would like one that can be made into a low 14 second car to high 13 seconds car, gets decent gas mileage (Anything above 20) and is reliable. I know most hatchbacks probably fit my requirements but what are the ones that exceed?

Thank you.

clawhammer
07-20-2005, 07:08 PM
Easy. Get a Civic, and do a swap. A b16 with boltons will definetely run low 14s, high 13s. It will also get above 30 mpg.

-The Stig-
07-20-2005, 07:33 PM
B18 will net better results... and get the same milege.

CivRacer95
07-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Nah, H22. Just as reliable, requires no bolt ons for what you are looking for, although with some cams, intake, and headers, you'll be looking at mid 13's easy. Gas mileage will definitely be above 20 no prob.

-The Stig-
07-20-2005, 08:00 PM
Nah, H22. Just as reliable, requires no bolt ons for what you are looking for, although with some cams, intake, and headers, you'll be looking at mid 13's easy. Gas mileage will definitely be above 20 no prob.


Yeah, but H22's aren't exactly light. And don't you have to modifiy some shit to get it to fit?

I don't know the specifics.

CivRacer95
07-20-2005, 08:08 PM
Nothing too fancy. Just the motor mounts are what you have to adjust. True they are heavy, but hey, TORQUE!! That's the best part about them.

Although they do sit awkwardly in the engine bay. So really, if you are looking for straightline performance, than the H22 would be your best bet. Otherwise, if you want something for autoX and straightline, then go with a GSR motor (B18C1)

AtomicGamer
07-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Awesome thanks guys. Do you guys recommend any years or specific models? Also, how much do those motors cost and how much do you think it would be to pay someone to do it?

Finally, could I also swap those motors into a CRX? That's the other car that I'm thinking about getting...

CivRacer95
07-20-2005, 08:15 PM
You very well can swap each one of those motors into a CRX. Although, I would recommend the 92-95 or 5th Gen Civics for those swaps. The B16 and B18 motors will drop directly into the engine bays of those motors. I'm pretty sure the same is for the CRX. As for the H22, as stated there will be some adjustments that will need to be made. But to each his own.

Ace$nyper
07-20-2005, 08:22 PM
You very well can swap each one of those motors into a CRX. Although, I would recommend the 92-95 or 5th Gen Civics for those swaps. The B16 and B18 motors will drop directly into the engine bays of those motors. I'm pretty sure the same is for the CRX. As for the H22, as stated there will be some adjustments that will need to be made. But to each his own.
negative on 4th gens h22s are like fucking hell to stuff in. B motors take a mount kit and little wiring depending on trim may just be 3 wires.

b16s bolt on 13s *wheezing from laughter* yea dude b16s arn't anything fancy mid 14s out of a 4/5 th gen 6th gens 15s wow yea thats worth 3K right....

hit me up with anything else.

CivRacer95
07-20-2005, 08:32 PM
negative on 4th gens h22s are like fucking hell to stuff in. B motors take a mount kit and little wiring depending on trim may just be 3 wires.

b16s bolt on 13s *wheezing from laughter* yea dude b16s arn't anything fancy mid 14s out of a 4/5 th gen 6th gens 15s wow yea thats worth 3K right....

hit me up with anything else.

I didn't say there wouldn't be any problems swapping the motors into the 4th Gens. That's why I recommended the 5th Gens. And yes, don't expect too much from the B16 swap. Although, if you plan on boosting, then the B16 is the healthier choice. But that's another deal.

Oh, as for the whole pricing thing. The B16 should run you about $1600 or so to purchase, and as for swapping it in, I don't know the price. A couple hundred dollars more for the B18C motor. And the H22, you will need to purchase motor mounts, axles, tranny. But it should run you about 3K, but it is oh so worth it for straightline performance.

As for the installing on each of those, it depends where you take it to. But if you have a garage and all the right tools, it is definitely worth your time and money to do it yourself.

Ace$nyper
07-20-2005, 08:42 PM
I didn't say there wouldn't be any problems swapping the motors into the 4th Gens. That's why I recommended the 5th Gens. And yes, don't expect too much from the B16 swap. Although, if you plan on boosting, then the B16 is the healthier choice. But that's another deal.

Oh, as for the whole pricing thing. The B16 should run you about $1600 or so to purchase, and as for swapping it in, I don't know the price. A couple hundred dollars more for the B18C motor. And the H22, you will need to purchase motor mounts, axles, tranny. But it should run you about 3K, but it is oh so worth it for straightline performance.

As for the installing on each of those, it depends where you take it to. But if you have a garage and all the right tools, it is definitely worth your time and money to do it yourself.
never said you did just wanted to chime in about the 4th gens me knowing them better then most of you spoiled 5th genners and your big bays :p

why would you pick a b16 for boosting? GSR would walk it LS with b16 tranny would walk it i had a b16 it was peppy but hitting 4K just to get off at a stop light gets old fast. sure it would go ok with F/I but why not start with a better platform i know i regret the time and money i spent on that and my a6 compaired to my new set up :smile:

CivRacer95
07-20-2005, 08:52 PM
never said you did just wanted to chime in about the 4th gens me knowing them better then most of you spoiled 5th genners and your big bays :p

why would you pick a b16 for boosting? GSR would walk it LS with b16 tranny would walk it i had a b16 it was peppy but hitting 4K just to get off at a stop light gets old fast. sure it would go ok with F/I but why not start with a better platform i know i regret the time and money i spent on that and my a6 compaired to my new set up :smile:

My bay is bigger than yours is :tongue:

I was stating as far as boosting goes, the B16 compared to the B18C or the H22 is better for boosting. Now if you want to mix and match parts, then yes it will get very detailed. But each motor, stock for stock, the B16 is the wiser choice. Like I said, it's a whole other story.

illegal_eagle187
07-20-2005, 08:59 PM
a 95 Civic Hatch with a B18C5 and full bolt ons your lookin at low 13's

clawhammer
07-20-2005, 08:59 PM
You can basically do this to any Civic HB usually 88-00 and 02+ as well as CRXs 88-91. IMO the H22 kills the handling but will give you better straight line acceleration. Also if you have the deep pocket, look into a K20A engine (220 hp stock), but with boltons and cams it has put down close to 250 fwhp, and with bumping the compression close to 270 FWHP!!! That's all from a Naturally Aspirated 2.0 liter engine. The engine however usually costs more than $5k.

AtomicGamer
07-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Okay, thanks guys. Guess I'll get the car first and then come back later for talking about a motor swap. So a 5th Generation Civic, is that the 1992 - 1995?

Thanks again guys!

Ace$nyper
07-20-2005, 09:04 PM
civ i'd still like to know why you like the b16 over c or h22 for F/I not needling its just i do want to know there few differnt theorys out there of best power just wondering what you think.

yes 92-95 is 5th gen but 4th gens are best =P

clawhammer
07-20-2005, 09:08 PM
B16 timeslips:
13.67
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-4350.html

14.06
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-2647.html

14.1
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-2911.html

14.23
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-4650.html

Ace$nyper
07-20-2005, 09:12 PM
B16 timeslips:
13.67
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-4350.html

14.06
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-2647.html

14.1
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-2911.html

14.23
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Civic-Timeslip-4650.html
I dont trust them at all, and look at the one in the 13s 100 octance chipped ECU ITR tranny. None are stock and really there is no proof anyway but could be true and if so its factory freaks and great driving 99.95% of b16s won't do that. Thats like saying ever ls1 car is a mid 12 cause one guy pulled it off in a stocker. most are alot slower thats all i'm saying.

also put it in a heavier car most swapped cars are heavier then the 2000ish lb cars they are in.

AtomicGamer
07-20-2005, 09:35 PM
AceSnyper - When you say 4th Generations are better, do you really mean it or are you just joking around? Sorry, couldn't tell because you had the smiley at the end?

clawhammer
07-20-2005, 09:43 PM
AceSnyper - When you say 4th Generations are better, do you really mean it or are you just joking around? Sorry, couldn't tell because you had the smiley at the end?
It's really an opinion. It's true that it's probably going to be a bit lighter than a 5th gen, looks are entirely subjective. Pick whichever one YOU like, not the one that AceSnyper likes.

Ace$nyper
07-20-2005, 09:53 PM
AceSnyper - When you say 4th Generations are better, do you really mean it or are you just joking around? Sorry, couldn't tell because you had the smiley at the end?
claw is right, but depending what you want car for 4th gen might be better 5th might be.

4th gens are normally lighter base to base i'm still 200 lbs then a base 5th i like the looks alot better there are other things such as obd0/1 airbags hyrdo or cable tranny that you need to make up your mind about,

me i like 4th gens and i feel they are just as good to deal with as 5ths but i like them better :smile:

Ace$nyper
07-20-2005, 09:56 PM
I think they are just as good as 5th gens I just like them better *looks feel*
both have ups and downs both awesome platforms to start on.

nissanfanatic
07-20-2005, 10:13 PM
B18+turbo......

Mmmmmmm

I want one...

Mr. Luos
07-20-2005, 10:32 PM
You know.....



My Trans Am is a hatchback. :lol:

CassiesMan
07-20-2005, 11:08 PM
RX-7s are also hatches...

-The Stig-
07-20-2005, 11:10 PM
You know.....



My Trans Am is a hatchback. :lol:



Yeah, but the insurance companies classify us as a sports-coupe... thats why we pay triple the premiums. :mad: :lol:

drftk1d
07-21-2005, 06:27 PM
RX-7s are also hatches...

he says he wants something that can get good gas mileage.

wasnt there a thread like this a couple months ago?

CassiesMan
07-21-2005, 06:53 PM
he says he wants something that can get good gas mileage.

Touché

drftk1d
07-22-2005, 02:10 PM
by the way cassies, if you want a supra and are looking at rx7s cause they cost less, dont get it.

if you want more of an explanation pm or im me.

RaidenKing
07-22-2005, 09:47 PM
my car's a hatch, does just fine with mileage and speed for me :)

nissanfanatic
07-23-2005, 12:08 AM
my car's a hatch, does just fine with mileage and speed for me

Same. But I want more speed....

AtomicGamer
07-23-2005, 03:22 AM
This is probably a really stupid question but does the Toyota Matrix have any potential?

Thanks.

RaidenKing
07-23-2005, 03:36 AM
This is probably a really stupid question but does the Toyota Matrix have any potential?

Thanks.


OHHH yah definitely just check out this sweet pic of this FAST ASS GREEN toyota matrix http://www.nopinationals.com/2002/carshow/toyota/Matrix%20Green%201.jpg

but seriously uhh I don't know about the aftermarket for the matrix but it seems more of a pretty boy show car than a serious power maker.

TheStang00
07-23-2005, 11:14 AM
just get a pinto and get it over with

AtomicGamer
07-23-2005, 01:09 PM
:) Yeah, those decals must add like 50 hp.

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