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no brakes, won't pump up ????
07-14-2005, 10:25 PM
Hey I have a 1967 camaro and I converted to disc brakes,I bought a new booster and master cyl. , new prop. valve,new brake lines , new calipers , new roters , new rear lines , new wheel cyl. + brake shoes ect... WELL after pumping the brakes and got out all the air. The brake pedal still goes to the floor so I exchanged the master cyl. thinking maybe it was bad after puting on another one and bleed the brakes again STILL no pedal can anyone help with anything it could be,PLEASE HELP ???????????????
07-15-2005, 09:23 AM
Are you sure that you got all the air out? After replacing that many parts there will be a lot of air in the system.
1. Begin at the corner furthest from the driver and proceed in order toward the driver. (Right rear, left rear, right front, left front.) While the actual sequence is not critical to the bleed performance it is easy to remember the sequence as the farthest to the closest. This will also allow the system to be bled in such a way as to minimize the amount of potential cross-contamination between the new and old fluid.
2. Locate the bleeder screw at the rear of the caliper body (or drum brake wheel cylinder.) Remove the rubber cap from the bleeder screw – and don’t lose it!
3. Place the box-end wrench over the bleeder screw. An offset wrench works best – since it allows the most room for movement.
4. Place one end of the clear plastic hose over the nipple of the bleeder screw.
5. Place the other end of the hose into the disposable bottle.
6. Place the bottle for waste fluid on top of the caliper body or drum assembly. Hold the bottle with one hand and grasp the wrench with the other hand.
7. Instruct the assistant to "apply." The assistant should pump the brake pedal three times, hold the pedal down firmly, and respond with "applied." Instruct the assistant not to release the brakes until told to do so.
8. Loosen the bleeder screw with a brief ¼ turn to release fluid into the waste line. The screw only needs to be open for one second or less. (The brake pedal will "fall" to the floor as the bleeder screw is opened. Instruct the assistant in advance not to release the brakes until instructed to do so.)
9. Close the bleeder screw by tightening it gently. Note that one does not need to pull on the wrench with ridiculous force. Usually just a quick tug will do.
10. Instruct the assistant to "release" the brakes. Note: do NOT release the brake pedal while the bleeder screw is open, as this will suck air back into the system!
11. The assistant should respond with "released."
12. Inspect the fluid within the waste line for air bubbles.
13. Continue the bleeding process (steps 11 through 16) until air bubbles are no longer present. Be sure to check the brake fluid level in the reservoir after bleeding each wheel! Add fluid as necessary to keep the level at the MAX marking. (Typically, one repeats this process 5-10 times per wheel when doing a ‘standard’ bleed.)
14. Move systematically toward the driver – right rear, left rear, right front, left front - repeating the bleeding process at each corner. Be sure to keep a watchful eye on the brake fluid reservior! Keep it full!
15. When all four corners have been bled, spray the bleeder screw (and any other parts that were moistened with spilled or dripped brake fluid) with brake cleaner and wipe dry with a clean rag. (Leaving the area clean and dry will make it easier to spot leaks through visual inspection later!) Try to avoid spraying the brake cleaner DIRECTLY on any parts made of rubber or plastic, as the cleaner can make these parts brittle after repeated exposure.
16. Test the brake pedal for a firm feel. (Bleeding the brakes will not necessarily cure a "soft" or "mushy" pedal – since pad taper and compliance elsewhere within the system can contribute to a soft pedal. But the pedal should not be any worse than it was prior to the bleeding procedure!)
17. Be sure to inspect the bleeder screws and other fittings for signs of leakage. Correct as necessary.
18. Properly dispose of the used waste fluid as you would dispose of used motor oil. Important: used brake fluid should NEVER be poured back into the master cylinder reservoir!
07-15-2005, 09:50 AM
[QUOTE=blazee]Are you sure that you got all the air out? After replacing that many parts there will be a lot of air in the system.
I did all of that and I get alittle feal of brakes at the floor when you start its gone , like i said everything is new and i tried to swap out the master ans booster but still same problem . I check to make sure every line was tight and no leaks anywhere so ??????? here are my two cars
07-17-2005, 05:23 PM
Have you adjusted the rear brakes manually?
With the wheels and rear drums on, turn the brake adjuster (star wheel) so the bottom of the two shoes move apart. You do this with a flat blade screw driver through the little inspection hole at the bottom of the backing plate. If your rear brakes are set up properly, the star wheel only will spin one way, like a ratchet. The automatic adjuster prevents it from turning the other way.
With the wheel lifted off the ground, adjust the brakes until you feel the shoes drag a little on the drum when you spin the rear wheel.
Do this to both sides, then step on the brake pedal and try adjusting the rear brakes a bit more, if the shoes no longer drag.
If the pedal is still soft, bleed the brakes again.
07-17-2005, 09:24 PM
Yes I made sure the rear brakes were udjusted up all the way and the rod going into the master is right there like it should be there is no air left in system I even tried holding in the little pin on the proportioning valve while bleeding the front disc still and tried the origanal master I know it's good still no pedal just at the very bottom of the floor
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