Hello guys I Have Been Reading Online everywere is possible been in all forums but still can Deside !!!!
I want you guys to help me out please !!

I cant pick should i go Turbo D or B16a2 swap i have 1996 Hatch Ek Dx

just in your opinion guys what will be Fast Daily Driven Car and which one worth of doing. I need to stay relibel but been Fast and the Problem is Money Max i can Spend Is $4000 right now (but littel more after some time ) on this Project. i know Turbo D can make good power but i dont know if they relible As A DD car if i go Turbo my plan is doing this
Pistons, Rods, Good Tune Home mad kit With T3 .60 set at 14 psi making about 240whp ( Relible Or Not i dont know) Or My Plan Is this: B16a2 Swap With i/h/e/Pulley kit Port and Polsih CTR Cams Ctr Pistons Stage 1 cluctch 8lb Flyweel making Close to 200whp Less But All Motor ! Which One Is Realible And Good Car Dor Every Day And Which One Will You Pick JUST CANT DESIDE GUYS !!

Thank !!

All motor should be more reliable, but a turbo D CAN be as reliale if built right. i think it all depends on how much money you have to spend.

Hello guys I Have Been Reading Online everywere is possible been in all forums but still can Deside !!!!
I want you guys to help me out please !!

I cant pick should i go Turbo D or B16a2 swap i have 1996 Hatch Ek Dx

just in your opinion guys what will be Fast Daily Driven Car and which one worth of doing. I need to stay relibel but been Fast and the Problem is Money Max i can Spend Is $4000 right now (but littel more after some time ) on this Project. i know Turbo D can make good power but i dont know if they relible As A DD car if i go Turbo my plan is doing this
Pistons, Rods, Good Tune Home mad kit With T3 .60 set at 14 psi making about 240whp ( Relible Or Not i dont know)

That's all good and fine, but doing pistons/rods, a turbo kit, a good tune, a fuel system, and clutch is never going to happen for 4 grand.

Or My Plan Is this: B16a2 Swap With i/h/e/Pulley kit Port and Polsih CTR Cams Ctr Pistons Stage 1 cluctch 8lb Flyweel making Close to 200whp Less But All Motor ! Which One Is Realible And Good Car Dor Every Day And Which One Will You Pick JUST CANT DESIDE GUYS !!

Thank !!

Sounds great, but that has no chance in hell of hitting anywhere near 200 WHP. I helped put together a friends car with a B16 block, Blox B cams (copies of Skunk2 Stage 2's, so a lot bigger than CTR's), Blox intake manifold, weapon-r race header, and tuned with Hondata and it made 179 WHP. A B16 with CTR cams like you described would be lucky to make 160 WHP.

My choice would be swap in an LS motor and save for turbocharging that instead of spending a good amount of money for basically no power on your B16. All motor just sucks when you have 100 cubic inches.

go to www.turbod16.com and ask them the same question.

I can tell you that you can get a D series block for next to nothin and stuff it w/ all new pistons and rods probably cheaper than getting a B16. Personally i would go for the turbo because (and this will be argued for the next week on this thread) you can make more hp for your money on a D series. My :2cents:

i think a turbo d will be faster but a b16 more reliable

:iagree:

A B16 with CTR cams like you described would be lucky to make 160 WHP.
166, I/H/E test pipe, and CTR cams :)

i threw out the z6 in favor of the b16. turboed it and never looked back.

realiability is what you make of it.

I once made your decision and went with the b16a, JDM of course. In short, I was not impressed at all by the performance of the engine. At the track the best all motor time i could lay down in an 1/8th was a 9.90
Most sohc civics run 10.40 so i quickly made the decision to buy a nitrous kit, zex, wet, consistant 8.80's. using a 10lb bottle every two weeks since jan 2004 and it still runs, barely!
From my experience, if you want fast right now, Turbo D, if you want mucho speed later, b16a, or b18b.
as far as reliabilty, it really depends on how many miles your motor has on it, how much boost you put through it and how you manage your air / fuel ratio.
If i had to make the decision again i would buy a b18b.

if i had to make a decision again, id take the b16.

if i had to do everything over again, i would still start by using the search function to find facts over opinions.

I've Seen Questions Like This All Over The Place. In My Personal Experience (having A 92 Civic Cx Hatch) I Foundd That The Tranny Wasn't Very Good For Added Power. I Blew It 6 Months After I Put A Jr Supercharger. I Opted For The B16 Swap And Damn!!!!!!!! So Much Quicker Plus There's Much More Am Support For The B16. If You Live In Ca Though You Will Need To Get It Approved By The B.a.r. To Do This You'll Need A Working O2 Sensor, Good Catalytic Converter, And A Us Ecu For That Engine(p30 If A B16). Good Luck.

That's all good and fine, but doing pistons/rods, a turbo kit, a good tune, a fuel system, and clutch is never going to happen for 4 grand.

how so

i came up with this

used greddy kit off of ebay 1500
pistons/rod 1000
chipping kit with basemap loaded 30
dyno 300
injectors(new) 200
clutch 200
total 3230

so that seem under 4k and if it was done jy kit it would be quite a bit less

how so

i came up with this

used greddy kit off of ebay 1500
pistons/rod 1000
chipping kit with basemap loaded 30
dyno 300
injectors(new) 200
clutch 200
total 3230

so that seem under 4k and if it was done jy kit it would be quite a bit less

I THINK THE DUFFMAN WAS A LITTLE DRUNK OR SOMETHING:

USED GREDDY KIT OFF EBAY= TURBO THAT'LL PROBALLY NEED TO BE SCRAPPED OR REBUILT ADD $500-750 AT LEAST

NEW INJECTORS FOR $200 WHERE???? SEND ME THAT SITE SO I CAN GET SOME

CLUTCH FOR $200, VERY DOUBTFUL

BUT ALSO CONSIDER INSTALLATION COSTS! :banghead:
(SEEING AS HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T INSTALL THEIR OWN CLUTCHES OR TURBO KITS UNLESS THEY OWN THERE OWN SHOP)

A MECHANIC THAT'S GOOD TYPICALLY CHARGES AROUND:
800 FOR THE TURBO KIT

300 FOR THE CLUTCH

BUILDING AN ENGINE IS DAMN EXPENSIVE IN LABOR! 1000-2000

A LOT OF PLACES AT LEAST IN SOUTHERN CA WON'T TOUCH CHIPS THEY'LL TELL YOU TO GO GET A HONDATA SYSTEM OR SOMTHING.

:sorry: DUFF

injectors http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/product/CI550HL
injectors(incase you need more than 550cc) http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/product/CI660HL

sorry i ment 275 for the clutch http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=16402.0

and learn how to do shit your self. a dealer repair manual will cost 100-200 depending on the car. and who said any thing about socal it wouldn't pass smog so tuning isn't the biggest problem.

and heres a new list
turbo 2080 http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=703
cca ic 130 http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=29715.0
pistons/rod 1000 (rods) http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/product/SYSCCRD16 (pistons) http://www.racetep.com/hondasrp.html
manifold 125 http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=34894.0
charge piping 109
couplers 43
oil lines 85 http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/category/oillines/
bov 40 dsm
chipping kit with basemap loaded 30
dyno 300
injectors(new) 200 link above
clutch 275

total 4417( a little over but it has a brand new turbo)

and he said he was going with homemade so i figure he worked on his car and is he went with a 63/60 t3 from a svo he would be under budget even with a rebuild

learn how to do shit your self. a dealer repair manual will cost 100-200 depending on the car. and who said any thing about socal it wouldn't pass smog so tuning isn't the biggest problem.

DUFF, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SMOG VERY FEW PEOPLE, ME INCLUDED COULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SMOG. IT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER THAT A LOT OF SHOPS WON'T TOUCH CHIPS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF THEY SCREW THE PROCESS UP WHICH ISN'T THAT HARD TO DO, THEY OWE YOU ANOTHER ECU. :banhim:

ok say i am wrong and so your waste money on a hondata system and every time smog time rolls around go pay some one $1600(800 to remove the kit and 800 to reinstall the kit) and there are bunch of dynos that will tune with chips and if they dont then go look for another because there is no way in my mind to justify paying that much for hondata when uber and crome is just as good

ok say i am wrong and so your waste money on a hondata system and every time smog time rolls around go pay some one $1600(800 to remove the kit and 800 to reinstall the kit) and there are bunch of dynos that will tune with chips and if they dont then go look for another because there is no way in my mind to justify paying that much for hondata when uber and crome is just as good

used greddy kit off of ebay 1500

greddy 18g is a POS. coming from a hondata and uberdata user, uberdata is more cheaper and works very well, with the exception of the few bugs i encountered. hondata, much smoother to work with. very costly however. both will accomplish the job. hondata has better user support (not true for their older systems however, but, by now, there are thousands of people fimiliar with the older systems).


chipping kit with basemap loaded 30

the chipping the ecu, then, throwing on a basemap, then just getting it tuned. why just stop there? go get the damn wideband. it will be worth your effort to rent the dyno if youve gone that far with uber. its cheaper to rent dyno times instead of having someone do it for you. not to mention if you need the dyno again someday, you wont have to rely making an appointment with the tuner so you can pay him to do it for you.


BUT ALSO CONSIDER INSTALLATION COSTS!

my philosophy on boosting your car is, once you boost, smog goes out the window. that is from a person living in southern california. if your going to pay $800 to remove/reinstall the turbo kit, and engine management units, and the clutch, you can pay me that money and ill show you everything you will need to know. you can thank me later. if your not willing to learn what makes your turbo system operational, dont even start getting into the scene. there are far much much cheaper ways to pass smog in california with a turbo on.

CLUTCH FOR $200, VERY DOUBTFUL
A MECHANIC THAT'S GOOD TYPICALLY CHARGES AROUND:

if your just considering the clucth disc itself, you can. but on the stock pressure plate, id be kinda iffy about that.

BUILDING AN ENGINE IS DAMN EXPENSIVE IN LABOR! 1000-2000

its not rocket science. go grab a helms. actual labor cost will include trips to your local machine shop.

DUFF, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SMOG VERY FEW PEOPLE, ME INCLUDED COULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SMOG. IT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER THAT A LOT OF SHOPS WON'T TOUCH CHIPS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF THEY SCREW THE PROCESS UP WHICH ISN'T THAT HARD TO DO, THEY OWE YOU ANOTHER ECU.

actually, any automotive repair shop, if its a major mechanical or electrical modification, a mechanic will not touch it, because they dont know anything about it. if its not close to oem, similar, or they just dont know anything about it, they will not touch it. once you go with a engine management system, you should already be fimiliar with its operation. if you dont have an understanding of it, then dont get it until you do. if you live in socal and need to speak with an excellent honda/acura technician and engine management system tech, try autowave in hungtington beach.

im tired of typing, that is all.

DUFF, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SMOG VERY FEW PEOPLE, ME INCLUDED COULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SMOG. IT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER THAT A LOT OF SHOPS WON'T TOUCH CHIPS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF THEY SCREW THE PROCESS UP WHICH ISN'T THAT HARD TO DO, THEY OWE YOU ANOTHER ECU. :banhim:

The "ban him" comment is pretty uncalled for when you're immature and much more knowledgeless than he is, and you're trying to flame him.

The "ban him" comment is pretty uncalled for when you're immature and much more knowledgeless than he is, and you're trying to flame him.

the ban him was a joke! and how was i immature and knowledgeless? it sure didn't seem like i said anything that wasn't for the most part true?

Reliablity, go b series.

Speed, go d turbo.

That Quick EG guy has been posting crap ever since he got here.