Things that I would like to see are:

Weather
Time Changes (Night/Day)
more than just 6 cars racing at one time
more real life tracks
Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini
more le mans series cars (race teams and what not)
le mans series races maybe
F1 races and official cars

what else would you like to see

Why did you make two threads for this?

We should all post in this then send it to sony!

I want to see:
Bodykits (Real, not that NFSU B.S.)
Wheels that you can change the size on
Real Porsches
Ferrari
Day-Night changes on the endurance races
Sponsorship????
More used cars, as in more european and american cars
Realistic Damage
Visual mods (intercoolers, mufflers, brakes, etc)

BTW I am 58%, would be more, but I had a memory card corruption at 30% and had to restart.

realistic damage, and even better driving physics are all i need

And also there should be a drag racing section.

engine damage
different tire tread patterns
repair costs for damage
more cars in general

in cockpit driving view

yea in cockpit view, and also having the ability to play on pc, not that they will do it, but it would be nice.

Tire pressure adjustment

ability to adjust suspension setups of each corner of the car rather than just front and back

BRING BACK RED ROCK VALLEY

Other tracks: Bathurst, Spa, Road Atlanta, Mid Ohio, Mosport, Paul Ricard, Macau

Have options for older or different versions of tracks (like Fuji in GT4): Brands Hatch, Zandvoort, Sebring, Oulton Park, Monza, Daytona, VIR, Donnington, Hockenheimring, Assen, A1 ring, Rio de Janeiro

Revive some of the defunct tracks that no longer exist: Riverside, Bridgehampton, Nurburgring Sudschleiffe

More cars per race. 10-12 would be ideal.

Everything about a real car in vision gran turismo...
Anyhting you can do to a car in Real life should be in GT5... Also a storyline like you start out wih a littl emoney but you drive around looking for races and stuff and then you buy all this stuff and other crap ike real life... Also every car in the world be on here, every model and all the cars that have ever been out in real life on this game...

I think you get 50,000 to start and have real prices in the currency of your country.
Have all real stuff from real life.
Including where my dad works.

i just came up with something, its a little far-fetched, but what about being/having to drive the car to the track across town, but i dont mean like speeding through the streets like 150mph, i just mean normal driving and you can get pulled over, lol, or anything like that, even possibly that certain races only happen at certain times, and you are able to miss the races and wait for next year, week, or wutever.

that would be cool but it wouldn't work.

I like some of the ideas, but having free roaming, body kits makes it more like need for speed.

i just came up with something, its a little far-fetched, but what about being/having to drive the car to the track across town, but i dont mean like speeding through the streets like 150mph, i just mean normal driving and you can get pulled over, lol, or anything like that, even possibly that certain races only happen at certain times, and you are able to miss the races and wait for next year, week, or wutever.

I really love that idea. I always wished I could drive around the "city" or whatever, and driving normally would be cool, also the idea of having cops is awesome. GT5 SHOULD use something like that.

i just came up with something, its a little far-fetched, but what about being/having to drive the car to the track across town, but i dont mean like speeding through the streets like 150mph, i just mean normal driving and you can get pulled over, lol, or anything like that, even possibly that certain races only happen at certain times, and you are able to miss the races and wait for next year, week, or wutever.

I've always wanted to be able to drive to the tuning shop,wheel shop,etc. etc.
for first car walk to showroom.

chris

yea but im not really talking about body kits at all, i mean like, you know when you just bought a new car in real life, and you wanna go out and cruise it, or take it to a deserted road?

Make it like NFSU2 but with real crap and stuff and a way better storyline and stuff and That was what I was thnking of havoing to drive toi the tuning shop and make it basically a life of a normal guy who just got out of Racing school and is going ot buy his first car and got money formhis dad, his dad drops him off at a used dealership and he buys a car for less than 20 grand and he buys it an he goes to his house and he calls some of his friends to see what he should do to that car and were are some good street races being held tonight... When they check out his car he has a stock car and he races and itis up to you if he wins or not... He gets some money and he drives ot the shop and he gets some performance parts for his car but you have to go to a garage or your house to install them... When you get more and more moeny you can get moe cars and stuff, also the cops chase you if they know you're a convicted street racer guy and if you spped and pull opver and they give you a ticket and you haveto pay the ticket and stuff... And when you get a rac car for the track you buy a truck and a trailer to trailer it to the races and when it is a Across country one you fly to like Japan and you car goes with you but your little home town is pretty big with a local race tarck like Daytona with aan oval and a raod trsack inside it... Also they have a local dirt track if you start with that... It should be real life cars and damage and when you destroy something you pay to get it fixed and and if your car is totaled you need anoher car... And if you aren't racing but driving around town you can stop in clubs and stuff for a drink and to talk ot other street racers to go out and race... But it is the local hangout fot he racers and stuff...

And when you beat the game the last race is the biggest race of racing like a 24 hours of le mans race and you have to race the FULL 24 hours and when you win that race you are the grand Champion of the world..

Also F1 races agaibnst F1 cars that are basically tuned the same and stuff and their is a schedule to follow and you travel and stuff... You can start your ownrace team and drive or go into B-Spec mode... But when you do that you have to be 75% complete to start doing that because you will be respected and can get alot of money from it... All the types of racing is in this game like in the beginning you pick your favorite type of race like Nascar, F1, NHRA, American Le Mans, or any other Real races and you get richer and start to go into that particular career and you race in that carreer only unless you start a new game or you get 100% in that career...

You pick your favorite and stuff like that and to ge 100% you need to be in the top 5 of that year... Also you get first in that year you win secret cars for that track like some of the first cars on the track and you get to chose what to do is to retire or to go on and start over in another league...

Also you can do anything ot your car that does stuff and Body Kits and stuff...

i think you guys should buy NFSU because this real life street race bullshit is gay, GT is about TRACK racing. being pulled over is lame. and having to drive all over the damn city with a lame ass story in NFSU2 was boring. if you want all these stories and stuff why dont you try that tokico racer or however its spelled, now the ideas for day night or weather are good contructive ideas inline with GT and so are the adding of cars. the body kits is also a good idea because in general the kits arent about looks, theyre about aerodynamics. i also think the addition of more real world tracks would be nice. ebisu and others. and also a drift park and more about drift racing. also again from my other post NO MORE RALLY car hit penalties. in fact maybe some set times or a ghost car instead so theres no contact. that way drivers focus more on time than just not letting the computer pass.

Having a story in GT would be good but it would take to long ot complete and I have NFSU:2... I like GT better and I said for parts that actually do stuff for your car...

How about wiht the Rally thing no circuit race because Rally isn't about a circuit...

Basically the rally in GT2 is what real rally is...

Also real tracks inly no fake ones and the weather is a must like if it rains you get rain tires and can only race certain cars and stuff and more real life race teams and stuff...

Another one I thought of, more realistic sounding cars. The muscle cars with exhaust dont sounds right, also for the Hondas make a noticable VTEC changover, like we should be able to hear the VTEC kicking in. And realistic burnouts.

i think rally should really be changed into something like real rally racing instead of this 1 on 1 rallyx style thing, i knoe people out there race rallyx but it just doesn't seem to work very well with the style of driving the game has, plus make the car more noticable that it has a suspension, i dont know how to explain it but like if i were to cut a corner a little and get over the rumble strip, it doesn't look right, seems like on some of the more amatuer cars it should bounce more, that and all around the driving feel feels a little outdated, even if they redid it in gt4, feels almost the same as gt3.

Every Car Ever Made for instance in GT4 u cant buy a new cadillac how much BS is that i think they should put in the ability to start your own racing team. I hate the way the cars sound. Every car with a turbo sounds the same if it has 1000hp or 200Hp and same with NA cars they all sound the same. They should also bring back the "race modifications" from GT2 where u could turn ur souped up car into a full blown race car for like 100grand or sumthin.

They need to add online racing, the computer is too easy and BORING!

In car would be nice

...plus make the car more noticable that it has a suspension, i dont know how to explain it but like if i were to cut a corner a little and get over the rumble strip, it doesn't look right, seems like on some of the more amatuer cars it should bounce more, that and all around the driving feel feels a little outdated, even if they redid it in gt4, feels almost the same as gt3.
This is actually quite realistic as is. A car with stiffer spring rates will bounce a lot more when it hits a curb than a car with a stock suspension in real life. The stiffer the suspension is, the more hitting a curb will upset the balance of the car. In GT4, the car pitches and rolls a lot more with the softer suspension, as is also true in real life. A couple of weeks ago, racing my stock suspensioned Miata at Lime rock, the car pitched so much under braking at the end of the front straight (which is relatively flat) that all I could see in the rear vier mirror was sky. The stock suspensioned Miatas are a lot easier to drive on and over curbs than a Spec Miata is, simply because the spring rates on the Specs are about 3 times stiffer than what they are stock.

I liked the full blown race car thing in GT2... Make the cars sound real and bring in basically every car from the 50's and over... Make it so you can do custom work on your car and online is way harder than a crappy SI and when you bounce off a car it dosen't bounce like when your pushing a car in the rear and hit it you should slow down and he should mess up... DAMAGE but most likely won't have... Engine swaps, loike if that engine dosen't fit in a real car it can't fit in the game... It needs to be a Real car tuning and real life driving and stuff... Everythig in the game to do to a car you can do it in the game...

damage would be good, but unlike forza, where i have had many times were i would have rolled, it doesn't have it, i would like to see cars roll, as rare as it happens in real life, it still does happen.

definitely need some better AI. The fact that you can win every race by rear ending opponents into the dirt or using them as walls... that's a nono.
Opponents that change their style of driving would be nice too... (just imagine an all out drift competition at trial mountain with 6 cars)... uber hot.

btw... don't know if you guys ever played that old japanese game... choroQ. i think it was number 3... for the ps1. You drive to all your shops/garages/tracks/events.... tuning is kept pretty general but car selection is pretty diverse. R34's to toyota 2000gt's to Diesel Buses... only thing is that everything is comical... cartoony... whatever you want to call it. mad fun.

you want body kits and stuff go get automodellista
i just want 1 thing
dyno tuning

Everything in real life should be in this game... How about that...

:werd:

MOTOR SWAPS! And visual upgrades, (if you get new bigger braks or new exhaust your car should show it). and to change the color of your car after you buy it. and aero tuning, as much as I hate to say it body kits.

I would like suggest a virtual Test lab in the Game !

*Wind Tunnel
*Dyno Test
*Traction Map

aerokits ....sounds better than body kits.

I think they should just make a game like NFSU2 but with Gran Turismo 4 graphics and real aerokits not that custom made sh*t. Because the NFSU2 graphics sucks ass compare to GT4. Oh yeah and make the sounds actual sound real like engine revving and exhuast turbo all that good stuff. And we should make custom people who look like ourselves. I have alot more to say but I have to go play some TXR3.

someone give me the e-mail adress of
1) kazunori yamauchi (the creator)
2) polyphony digital (the producers of the game)
or
3) sony's e-mail.

realistic damage, and even better driving physics are all i need

try Enthusia for driving physics.


The damage will never come. The manufacturers and owners don't want to see their cars getting wrecked deliberately, that's how they do damage points, crashing real cars to get the physics, break points etc. Imagine them crashing all 600+ of those cars in GT4, that's a shit lod of money, not only that, but the price of the game will jump from $50 to like $5000.

They can also use some minor details like reverse lights, and horns hehehe, hazard and tuning signals, and even windshield wipers. The game I liked alot was Need For Speed: High Stakes and Tokyo Extreme Racer Zero, you can always turn on or off the headlights, high-beams, turning signals and hazards at your discretion. Some more cars would be nice, I didn't understand why they didn't put the Volvo R linup in there, or even the BMW M6. I think they could also have put cars such as the Jag XJs and the BMW 7-series and the Mercedes S-class to get some luxury automobile races, and maybe SUVs like the Mercedes Gelandewagen to get off-road challenges, like the G-Wagon Vs the Range Rover or something.



they also should've added some of your everyday weathering road obstructions in the game. Like bumps, little dips in the road etc. No road is ever that smooth, no where.

There are many things they can add to make it even more real, but it also has to do with their budget. On average, it takes videogame companies $16-20 million per game to make, which includes the actors, stunts, motions, technology, mass-production, licensing is one of the biggest killers

Also, hasn't anyone noticed in GT3 and GT4, the rims during actual gameplay are more 2 dimensional than three compared to the showroom, theyre so flat and there's no depth to them. I think They could've fixed that.

well i've already tried it but there are little things in it that anoy me that i didn't really like, plus i do have liveforspeed, that will never get old on realism, but i would think they could make it a little better feeling in gt4, it kind of seems like they're going to much into arcade racing styles.

i'd like it to be less boring. i haven't played my GT4 since the week i got it. it's mostly the same shit as GT3, i wasn't all that impressed. the big thing i was looking forward to was online play and they yanked it before launch.

I am not interested in damage or body kits. I would like a track editor, and race fields of 20 cars, including having something like ESPN football’s VIP, where another driver working for you is in the race. License test should have a “straight-to-finals” option, where you try the final, and if you pass it, you get the license immediately and a bonus car. Passing it on the first try gets you a 390 LM race car; passing on the 344th try gets you a Ford Pinto

The penalties should be turn-offable.

And series races with a twist. If the first race is Seattle, and you lose by. .333 seconds, you start the next race that far back. Or, all those deficits are saved for the final race (admittedly, if you rout the field in the other 9 races, you’ll be laps ahead.) I'd like to have b-spec remember to pass cars it's lapped,.

Water hazards
Racing for pink slips

Ferrari, Lambo (FIREBIRDS!) and SUVs, motorcycles, and pieces of excrement like Renault Le Car and Honda Civic.

every car in the world and virtual reality helmets.

:biggrin:

I have an idea ,

The Game should have a addon , for example you can load a new car to the game

let say the disc only have a special model like the le mans car or A disc only have Posche 911 GT1 and all the improvemenet spare parts ,decal etc and a full range of year make and model . 959 , GT2 ,GT3 etc

or downloadable internet content would be better...

The ONLY thing that blew me away with GT4 was the Nurburgring.

0-60 test, damage, weather changes while racing, downloadable cars from the net, a painting booth to change the color of your car, and using the eye toy to create your own driver to look like yourself.

OH YEAH!

the eye toy is slated to be used for that purpose g-man, heard the creator say it in an interview.

my list of changes since most of yall seem to want to be playing nfsu or auto modeliista.

1. damage
2. much much harder ai
3. more real life tracks
4. more realistic (ex. not having traction and stability control on every car, especially cars before the mid 80's when it was first introduced, why are there ecu mods on cars that dont contain ecu's? why is their an option to increase displacement when only a handful of cars can actually do it, last i checked in real life, any car can be bored and have bigger pistons installed)
5. id also like to see correct HP, TQ, and price figures for these cars, its not hard to add coding to alter the game depending on your real world location.

Awesome! I can't wait for GT5. and after i posted i also read abot the eye toy being incorperated into the game. its going to be great.

I think that i like crxlvr's idea with the addition of engine damage

Damage!!!!!!!!!

Damage!!!!!!!!!

jack. WE SUGGESTED THIS AT LEAST 10 TIMES ALREADY!!!!!!

please say more...

jack. WE SUGGESTED THIS AT LEAST 10 TIMES ALREADY!!!!!!

please say more...

damage.:flipa:

Damage!!!!!!!!!
i concur.

they need to get rid of that 5 second penalty bullshit too in the rally races. if you even tap your opponent they hit you with a 5 second penalty.

they need to get rid of that 5 second penalty bullshit too in the rally races. if you even tap your opponent they hit you with a 5 second penalty.
yeah,that was shit.

woooooooooooooooooooo

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo

mines longer

jack. WE SUGGESTED THIS AT LEAST 10 TIMES ALREADY!!!!!!

please say more...
how about....realistic damage!

damage
weather
time changes
mods for certain car eras (how can u put a computer chip on a 69 Z28? it should not be allowed.)
more munufacters ex: ferarri,lambo, porsche
more muscle cars!
and finally, that thing called ONLINE GAMEPLAY!

1) Realistically challenging AI! Absolutely the most important thing. Each AI driver should also have his own personality. Bump them and they may "accidently" bump you back later.
2) Car specific Aero kits and visible front splitter...it isn't enough to say the splitter is there; I want to see it.
3) Racing Modification (from GT2)
4) Dynamic weather and lighting.
5) All world courses.
6) Full Pikes Peak Hill climb.
7) Many more cars. Why are there only 3 mustangs? It is the greatest sports car in history and yet they only have 3 of them?
- More D1 and Formula D cars.
- More time attack cars.
- More World Challenge cars.
- More Grand Am and Trans Am cars.
- more Tuners and Tuner cars.
- and of course lambo, ferrari, and porsche.
- everything else I didn't specifically mention.
9) Better sound. I want to feel like I'm actually in the car.
10) Bring back Red Rock Valley.
11) Damage penalty...not damaged models. If you ram cars and bounce off walls, your car should drive crappy just like in GT2. Smash your car hard enough and you're out of the race.
12) No flashing red shift indicator (that tells you what gear you should be in for each turn)...it is a crutch and does more harm than good.
13) No B-Spec. Shorten race length...24 hour races are cute, but utterly ridiculous. GT2 had the best race length (something between GT2 and GT3 would be ideal).
14) Bring back HP CAP! This is the most important thing besides better AI. Builiding a faster car shouldn't always be your solution...being a better driver should be.
15) Racing Series' based on the real ones. You should be able to race World Challenge and be limited by the exact same rules of that series. If you want to race in the GT500 class of Super GT, then you must either use a Super GT car or build one that conforms to the rules of Super GT.
16) Less emphasis on winning. Not even the best racers win every race...just finishing a race is enough.
17) No required License Tests (the third most important thing). Leave them there as part of a tutorial, but do not require them.
18) Drag Race Mode. It didn't make it to GT2 and was somehow completely forgotten after that.
19) Formula D and D1 Race events.
20) No oil change or car wash. You don't have to buy tires every time or replace parts, so why do you have to do that other crap all the time? Car wash is acceptible only if they bring back the car wash music from GT2.
21) Full car fields (a 40 car race will have 40 cars racing). One of the top five most important things. Having just 6 cars is no longer acceptible. Just imagine on-line play...it'd be like the Battlefield of racing games *drool*
22) Real qualifying. You must qualify and if you don't make the cut, you don't make the race...no more starting at the back of the pack by default (leave that for arcade mode). If you can't qualify then obviously you and/or your car aren't ready for the race.
23) Areas (car dealerships and area specific races) must be unlocked.
24) More prize cars. It was really nice getting new cars after practically every race in GT2. Constantly doing five to ten separate races just to get one car sucks.
25) Fans. I want "people" waving signs and cheering when I drive by. Your popularity should change based on driving decisions you make, for example.
26) Multiple classes racing in same race. Just like real GT racing. This also helps #16 by placing emphasis on winning your class rather than winning the race.
27) Yes, the 5 second penalty must go. It doesn't apply to the AI driver and only works when you hit something a certain way.
28) Online play (even though I already mentioned it a couple times). I believe that rounds out the top 5 most important things that should be in the next GT.
29) It goes without saying, but more realistic graphics. In GT4, some of the short clips when you watch a race in Dive Mode look amazingly realistic.

...and that's all I can think of for now.

^ damn i think he recapped everything that we all said and put it into one post

heh, and then some :p

Yeah, I agree with a lot that has been said here (and was very pleasantly surprised to see that somebody else agrees with me about Red Rock Valley), but I am definitely against damaged car models. If people seriously want to play demolition derby with great cars, then that is just sad. Minor wear and tear is fine, but destroying cars should strongly be discouraged...especially with online play on the horizon. Nobody wants some jerk driving around with the sole intent of causing as much damage as possible just because "it looks cool".

And I thought of another thing:

30) More than one save per device!

After playing Forza, I don't like playing GT4 anymore. It's more realistic, even with full slicks, if you have 1000hp, you can't hook up. Just like in real life. The damage model is fun, it affects your car, and it affects your winnings.

And I'm pretty positive they didn't go through and crash several 2000 Cobra R mustangs, because there was only 300 made.

I'd like to see some fox body mustangs, and some of the 2v GT's. Those were fun in GT2. I'd also like to see better AI, and more of it.

But I guess we'll just see what they decide to put in it, and if I decide to get another one.

Rob

Driving:
Better understanding of how fast you're really going
In-Cockpit view
Far behind & up view (drifting)

Competitions:
Drifting
Dragracing
Ralllycross

Tuning:
Under-the-hood-view do-it-yourself tuning, not just 'press that turbo and install by pressing OK.
Being able to use both the NA tuning and turboing.
Aerodynamic kits.

Cars:
Alot more 80's-90's american and european cars.
Classic Opels.
More Volvos! How about a 2.4t 5cyl 4wd S60 to compete with the subarus?
Alot more Jags and Aston M's, both newer and older.

Brands:
SAAB
(9-3Viggen, 9-3ssAero, 9-3SportCombi 2.8t, 9-5aero & Griffin, 900Aero, 99Turbo, 93rally car, 92, Sonett -1,-2,-3)

Ferrari
(Enzo, F50, F40, F360, F430, F340, Dino, Testarossa, 550Maranello, 250GT, 512M, 575GTC, 612 Scaglietti)

Lamborghini
(Miura, Murcielago, Diablo, Gallardo, Espada, Countach)

Bugatti
(EB 18/4 Veyron, EB110, EB 18/3 Chiron)

Porsche
(911, 911turbo, 914, 924, 944, Carrera GT Prot., Cayman S, Boxter S, 997, 906, LMP2)

Koenigsegg
(CC85, CCR)

Maybach
(Exelero, 57, Zeppelin DS8)

And more minor brands..

Tuning companies:
AC Schnitzer
Startech
Brabus
Kleemann
Hamann

Other:
PS2>PC cable (photos/replays) and steering wheel+pedals comes with it :P

In addition to what was already said,
1)Different exaust notes from different manufactuer's exuasts
2)Adjustable boost pressure
3)Clutch
4)Brake fade
5)Engine swaps and rebuilds(finally be able to have a RX7 with 26b and 240sx with RB26)

Thats my wishlist.

BTW, GT4 does actually have Porches, autoRuf. But more selection of porces would be better.The only reason they have flat textures on the wheels while racing is to keep poly counts down.The wheels you see while not racing are costly in polygons,thus limiting other details.And unless they make it for computer then the posibitlity of DL'n other cars is imposible, unless you copy them to your memory cards.

More Australian cars
i know there aren't too many but it would make me happy :rofl:

They should do Gran Turismo like they do mmorpg's for the pc. Every 6 months or so bring out an upgrade that includes new cars, tracks, or just enhancements
to the overall game in general.

I think enough people buy GT that they could easily charge money for the add-ons, and actually make money. Upgrades could come up until they make an entirely new game. The only thing I think would keep this from happening is that they might not have enough resources to develop add-ons and a new game at the same time.

^ thats a great idea, i just hope if they do it, the add ons arn't very much $$.

My GT5 wishlist
1: get rid of the 50-100hp class cars (Citroen 2v, Honda cube, etc..), what's the point?
2: changing weather and day/night effects
3: during races of 3 hours or more, allow saving during pit stops. It makes no sense to have a 24 hour race that you HAVE to run all in one sitting (hell, even real endurance racers have relief drivers). Who has that kind of time? What if the power goes out in the middle of the race?
4: bring back multiple prize cars per race, but scale the chance to get the best of the cars to the car you use. IF you use a 1000hp GTP class car against street cars, your chance of getting the best prize car are slim. IF you drive a car that will make it challenging (but not impossible) to win, your chance of winning the best are increased.
5: Take away the ability to drive "harvey wallbanger" style, and make going off track a bigger penalty.
6: make the AI better
7: Make exhaust notes more realistic. The 70 Chevelle in GT4 sounds like a vacuum cleaner for God's sake!!!!
8: ONLINE PLAY. It was the biggest reason I was looking forward to GT4, and they cut it.
9: Get back the camera positions from GT2. I like being able to see the whole car I'm driving, but not have it block my view. GT3 and GT4 cars both block your view if using the chase view.
10: MUSIC. Some of the music is awesome in GT4 (Panama by Van Halen is one example) but some of the techno/original stuff is downright irritating. Please get rid of the junk (anyone remember Super Bon Bon from GT2? :puke: )

I always hated the damn price of parts on GT. I think they should have the mufflers be around $100, the turbo's be like 2000-10000 depending on the kit. I mean come ooonnnnnnnn.... 80K for a turbo?

i'd like pikes peak, full course. a whole host of pikes peak cars. eg. peugeot 405 pikes peak, audi quattro sport S4 pikes peak. and of course the record holding celica.

that 5 second penalty thing pisses me off, if im in front of the opponent and brake early they hit me, and i get a 5 second penalty? that pisses me off.

i'd like to see engine swaps, but all staying within the manufacturer, no 2JZ-GTEs in skylines. and more power potential, i know skylines can get over 1,000bhp. i think they need to asses this.

possibly bodykits, within reason.

ability to change wheel size, and i think you should be able to have the same set for every type of tyre you buy.

dyno tuning, that would be good too.

more tuning companies, i like japanese cars but i'd like to be able to et outside help with work on european cars, and possibly a universal parts supplier.

^ Yeah, engine swaps. And hows about some lambos and ferraris.

yep, i'd like to see lamborgini, ferrari, porsche, saab and volvo. and the relevant pikes peak cars. also the RS200 evolution pikes peak. the saab 93 pikes peak, etc..

i know volvo's there, but i want more of them.

oh man, i just thought of the coolest thing.

not just online gaming, but online car dealerships and such. i mean you go online and you can race but instead of having these upgrade packs to get more cars, you go online and there are dealerships with way more cars there. plus more modification companies etc.

then you could have loads of cars and stuff.

^ I love you.

^ I love you.

you scare the shit out'a me...

i was thinking more about cars. i want more group B rally cars. and i want the BMW E30 M3 and M635csi.

lol, my bad man. I mean i love you IDEA.

I really love that idea. I always wished I could drive around the "city" or whatever, and driving normally would be cool, also the idea of having cops is awesome. GT5 SHOULD use something like that.


Having to drive across a town to get to another track would get really old, really fast. It's bad enough having to wait for the load screens sometimes. Maybe I'm just too impatient.

how exactly do you plan to drive a toyota GT-ONE accross town?

well.. technology is growing and eventually they could put every car in world in that game.. its possible

cops? normal driving? man you guys have no idea what is good its a simulator for racing.. where do you get cops from?

more cars and upgrades for sure, more visual upgrades.. bring back ALL of the older maps. better elevator music lol
theres alot more but you get the idea

1. Be able to drive around large city.
2. More touring cars
3. more le mans cars
4. Actual f1 cars!!!
5. Damage
6. Night and day
7. actual body kits
8. Drift races

:puke: gt4 music

hmmm drift races? show me one drift "race" outside of the gayness that is NFSU 2...


id like
1. e30 m3
2. SCCA cars (like the AF GT-R!!!)
3. porsche ferrari and lamborghini to take their collective heads out of each others asscrack and allow their cars to be used.
4. more freedom with tuning (i.e. ecu tuning/more flexible settings)
5. NO DRIFTING!!! im sorry but that would defeat the purpose of the game. instead, the makers of GT could make a separate game for drifting...
6. actual rallies. with stages. rallycross gets old quick.
7. varying weather (one thing that separates real drivers from those left-turning cavemen)
8. damage. it would not be easy but it would be cool if done right.


oh and the most important one


TEACH THE FUCKING A.I. HOW TO FUCKING DRIVE

Better! :)

I only have six things changed in GT5.

1.) More cars in races. 5 AIs doesn't bring out the intense racing experience. More like 20-25 cars would do good like Vision|Gran Turismo
2.) Realistic damage. Not too realistic or you're out of the race. More like Headlights, body, and tire explosion damage.
3.) Game physics. Make it seem like you're actually going 150 mph instead of making it look like you're going 60 mph.
4.) This will be shown in Vision|Gran Turismo but human physics. More action in the pit area.
5.) Real life day/night changes, weather.
6.) Better AI as well. More aggressive AIs and smarter driving skills. The AI in Tourist Trophy is pretty damn intense, but the 10 second penalty really kills you at the end. So lame.

gt5 needs more cars (given) but of all types. It represents the 100+ years of automotive history and they need to include a lot more, regular and race (not just formula rally and jgct, maybe some indy, sprint cars, dragsters, etc.) and needs improvement on the modifications like engine swaps, literally tuning the engines fuel maps, and such. also needs to improve the visual aspect of mods (i'd like to SEE that sweet carbon fiber hood on my evo VI RS when i do the 1st & 2nd weight reductions). some damage must be included (not excessive damage) and should give you the option of turning it off or be able to make improvements so you don't have to deal with some damage (installing a rev limiter, etc.). I'd also like to see pros and cons and their effects in the different parts that you install on vehicles (HKS exhaust will add more horses than a Spoon setup for example). there are other things the game needs that i won't get into, but i think sony will be able to finally get things right here since it's gonna be on the new ps3 platform which is more than capable of delivering what we want to see.

Damage, yes. And more cars! I would love to have almost every car on there. Thats crazy, but would make the game Practcally never ending. you could always get a new car, and test it out. pluss actual car sounds.

I only have six things changed in GT5.

1.) More cars in races. 5 AIs doesn't bring out the intense racing experience. More like 20-25 cars would do good like Vision|Gran Turismo
2.) Realistic damage. Not too realistic or you're out of the race. More like Headlights, body, and tire explosion damage.
3.) Game physics. Make it seem like you're actually going 150 mph instead of making it look like you're going 60 mph.
4.) This will be shown in Vision|Gran Turismo but human physics. More action in the pit area.
5.) Real life day/night changes, weather.
6.) Better AI as well. More aggressive AIs and smarter driving skills. The AI in Tourist Trophy is pretty damn intense, but the 10 second penalty really kills you at the end. So lame.
1. Agreed
2. Agreed for the most part. I think they should offer some races where there is FULL damage or close to it, maybe when you're around 55% complete when you're ready for it as it will be a test of TRUE skill and endurance and adds to the "real driving simulator experience" (you can wreck by doing something stupid and be out of the race in real life:wink: )
3. Agreed
4. Very much needed, one of the things i've always hated about the game
5. agreed
6. Strongly, strongly agreed. or at least be able to change the difficulty level of the AI (can't remember if this was an option on the other games).

actually almost every car in the game is actual sound. the GT4 creators used 4 microphones placed at different spots on each real car and got the sound effects from that. but since its a GT game, any cars that dont belong in GT racing shouldnt be included. you try and lap autumn ring in a top fuel car.

Better Exhaust Notes!!!!

I posted here a year ago, and with 1800 days of GT4 play I have more to say.

1) Sound needs to be better, they just came up with 10 different noises and each of the 650 cars got one.
2) I Still want sponsorship so you have a real racecar with stickers and everything.
3) What about paying for tyres and petrol before a race? It would really be a "simulation" then.
4)For a WRX for example the SPT exhuast should give less power and look different from, say an HKS carbon Ti.
5) I still want visible mods like FMICs, exhausts, bigger brakes, carbon fiber hood for weight reduction

It sounds like we all want Toca Race Driver 3 with more cars, more tracks, and tuneable cars.

A few people have said better graphics and more cars, that is a given, play GT3 then play GT4, you'll notice

When you pit in toca, it shows a stupid screen with a countdown. I liked the racing, but some races were so unbearably slow. Atleast in GT4, not every car is a race car, and when they are, they're all fast. Not in TOCA. *sigh*

Is gt3 better than gt4? I never tested that theory.

In no order.
*NO ELEVATOR MUSIC!!!
*Real time damage that you have to fix and pay for
*More cars (duh)
*F1 Tracks + F1 cars ^_^
*better tuning options
*a better choice of music
*not making one race be damned impossible <_<
*Having Qualifying, so that you dont start of at the end every mother fscking time!!! :angry:

that is all for now, im only 20% in and I all ready want to kill those damned people who made this game

dude they have qualifying in all championship trophy races. just not in the single ones

dude they have qualifying in all championship trophy races. just not in the single ones

is it the practice thing?? i figured thats what it was cuz i was wondering what the position counter was there for. does it do it by lap times or what??

^LOL i like that alot

my oppinion.......you know how they have license tests that teach you how to take a proper racing line, they should include a license that teaches you to drift and take drifting lines(and real ones, not that NFSU crap) as well as learning different drifting techniques. and some drift events would be cool.

visual damage would add to the "simulation" but some people wont like that.....maybe an on/off visual damage setting..

some online modes would make me play it ALOT longer

some mountain tracks, like those japanese mountain passes in initial d and what not

you know how you can see the helmet of your driver through the window or on the convertable cars....it would be cool to choose the helmet you want or even customize your own helmet

:)thats what i got

Repainting shop.

no drifting. please stop suggesting drifting. its a grip racing game. it would defeat the purpose if they included drifting. thats why they made a completely different game for motorcycles and didnt just include them in gt4.

just cause you suck at it:)

:uhoh: no?

...thats why they made a completely different game for motorcycles and didnt just include them in gt4.

HAHAHA...Oh man...that one had me laughing for a while, nice job.

I would love to see a drag racing mode. that would be awesome. Like Sega GT. Also the idea for more visual mods would be nice (intercoolers, exhaust, etc.) Sound definetly needs work, engine/exhaust notes. The graphics are good, but they will get better on the next gen. consoles. AI. Make it so that you need supporting mods first before you get a Stage 4 turbo or whatever. Any maybe not damage to to car itself, but to the parts, like you could break axles or trans. or something if you push it too hard.

Anyone hear anything about GT5? lol. i cant wait already:disappoin

^ lol, i hear ya, but the PS3 is gonna be between $500 and $600! That makes me sick.....

How do they expect to make any sales off of it? That means it must cost quite a bit to manufacture as well.


I just read this... http://www.ps3portal.com/ps3/article/460.html

I heard they are actually going to lose money on every console, but they hope in the long run, it will make the components cheaper to manufacture.

I had this huge message I took 30 minutes to write and it got erased, so let's start again...

The developpers of the game would probably want to have cars like Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo, but, the only problem is, do the manufacturers want their cars included in this game, or CAN THEY HAVE their cars included in this game?

Let me explain, when the first GT was developped, Sony didn't think it would have as much success as the serie had, but it ended up being one of the most successfull game on the PS1. Now, they probably went and tried to deal with every car manufacturers out there but Need For Speed was released first and maybe the manufacturers had an exclusivity deal with Electronic Arts, any good developer getting a deal with a major car dealer such as Ferrari or Lambo would probably try to have the exclusivity on it (and I know that if I was developing games, that's exactly what I would do, and I would pay some good money for it, EA started developing games in 1982, so they had a lot of experience, Sony started in the mid 1990's, wich would you trust the best to put out a good game? (considering you're in the mid 90's) and who would you think had the most money to invest? EA or a newly formed studio in the video game department of Sony?)

So the guys developing GT probably can't have Ferrari and Lambo because they're attached to EA already


Now, for the "let's have every cars ever made!" some people proposed. Okay, let's do that and wait another ten years before the game is released :D . Let's take a random "everybody-loves-it" car, the Nissan Skyline. This car was released in the 50's and since had about 70 different versions (just the last release of the GT-R in 1999 had 11 versions) and I'm just talking about the differents engines there, you must also consider that through the years it was sold as a 2-doors coupe, 4-doors sedan, Station wagon and a 4-doors hatchback (the R30 had all those versions sold at the same time). Just the 70 different engines count for nearly 10% of the GT4 car database (actually in GT4 you have 40 variations of the skyline).

Now imagine if they were to do that for every cars out there, let's take a small car, nothing really racy, nothing spectacular, but a car that everybody know, the Chevy Sprint/Suzuki Swift/Geo Metro/Pontiac Firefly. Let's say, in the game, for it to be less trouble, they put all versions as the Chevy Sprint. There are 4 MK's for the models outside of America (I don't count the new Suzuki Swift) and 5 MK's for the models inside America. We have

MK1->Engines: 1.0L, 1.0L turbo, 1.3L SOHC 8 valves, 1.3L DOHC -------- Models: 3 doors hatchback, 5 doors hatchback

MK2->Engines: 1.0L XFI, 1.0L, 1.0L turbo (canada only), 1.3L SOHC 8 valves, 1.3L DOHC, 1.6L -------- Models: 3 doors hatchback, 5 doors hatchback, 4 doors sedan (Canada only), 2 doors convertible

Mk3->Engines: 1.0L XFI, 1.0L, 1.3L SOHC 8 valves, 1.3L DOHC, 1.6L ------- Models: 3 doors hatchback, 5 doors hatchback, 4 doors sedan

Mk4->Engines: 1.0L (only model available outside America), 1.3L SOHC 8 valves -------- Models: 3 doors hatchback (only model available outside America, still with the old design, America got a remodelling wich went to Japan in 1998), 4 doors sedan; Subaru Justy (outside American model) wich was a rebadged Swift with 4wd

mk5->Engines: 1.0L, 1.3L SOHC 16 valves (note the change in the number of valves)

So, as you can see, even a lousy car like a geo metro would be a lot of trouble to create since there's a lot of versions (7 engines, total of 8 body design), now you have to make a 3d model of the car for the game, then, program every models (8 of them) with the engines they got (like the convertible only had the 1.0L but the sedan had 1.3L SOHC or 1.6L) plus check that every car has the right transmission (the 1.3 DOHC never had an automatic transmission, the automatic was a 3 speeds). Imagine the kind of trouble they would have to go through...

Now, that was easy, it's only a small economy car. Now, the Toyota Corolla got I don't know how many versions, but they would have to hire someone just to check for every one of them because if you think 70 is a lot for the Skyline, the Corolla would have even more [just checked on wikipedia, too much stuff to count, go check if you want]

Now, add the engine swap some people proposed. You now have to create your car models dividing the weight in three parts, weight of the car with engine, weight of the car withouth engine, weight of the engine. Plus you now have to know wich engines are direct bolt on and wich ones are difficult swap to calculate the cost of swaping engine from one car to the other. Using the Geo Metro example again, the 1.0L and the 1.0L turbo are direct swap (same engine mount) but the 1.0L to 1.3L is more trouble (have to change the engine mount) and I've even seen someone putting a Buick V6 inside his Metro. Everytime the swap becomes a bit more difficult, you would have to change the cost of the swap. And they would also have to program the weight distribution of the car (because swap you engine and the weight distribution changes, causing the car handling to change), how each and every car reacts with each engine (would probably be a from A to B hp car reacts like X, from B to C hp car reacts like Y.... but do that for every cars in the game now...)

They could also add the ability to change your car from FWD to RWD or 4WD and vice versa, because you can do it in real life. But it's the same trouble as for the engine swap.


It very easy to talk but to put it in the game would be way too much trouble, just having 720 cars is a miracle (I mean, who needs more than 720 cars? sure, you won't have every little cars you could think of, but there's probably something you'll like as much somewhere else in the game)

For the city environment between races, not a good idea, it becomes old very fast. What they could do is make it as a track, so you have the option of free driving is you want but don't actually have to. They could make it so that you have a big map that includes multiple environment, you could be driving in the city, then going out in the mountain to try your rally car (or just try your asphalt car on the gravel for the fun of it) then come back on a looooong stretch with prairies on the side and go to the oval stadium in town (why not? ) to try your car...

I don't want anything in particular in the next GT, I just want a good game I'll have fun with and I know they are able to do it.


Oh yeah, no drifting races, keep that for the "ricers" and NFSU, but a training on how to take a corner while drifting would be cool

holy crap, didn't realise I wrote such a bit rent, well, hope it's a least a bit interesting ;)

I want to have every car, but not on the game to begin with. i want to be able to download the cars i want.

holy crap, didn't realise I wrote such a bit rent, well, hope it's a least a bit interesting ;)

It is pretty interesting, and you're correct about some things. This thread should be called "realistic things you would like in GT5", for example things like the racing modification from GT and GT2. Having every version of every car is pointless. Be honest, how many of the 720+ cars in GT4 have you actualy used to achieve something and not just drive around the track. I've probably used <50. However, I disagree on the "Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche...." matter. Look at the games that have these manufacturers: Need For Speed, Forza, Project Gotham, GTR FIA GT Racing, and there are others. If Sony wanted to acquire the lisence, I'm sure they would've by now.

maybe EA saw it coming and made a "no selling to sony" agreement =P

I want to have every car, but not on the game to begin with. i want to be able to download the cars i want.
that's actually a very good idea (are you listening sony????????????????)

Could happen if you're ready to pay for every upgrades, because they need to pay the guys who will make those cars ;)

Fine, but i think that would be awesome to do. ( thanks sickcallawayC12)

I would like 92 - 00 honda civic coupes and 4drs.96-98 Civic Sirs' 91-93 integras.94 - 97 integras.integra 4drs.Burnout out til the tires blow.lipkits from mugen.spoon.type r.rims from mugen.spoon.rotas.spoilers from spoon for civic hatchbacks. blow your engine and purchase a new one. drop the car to the ground=). real life car damage.paint jobs. see intercoolers when car is turbo'd.jdm civic and integra fogs.headlight bulb change.different exhaust make different sounds.different blow off valve sounds. adjustable blow off valves. drift session.car show=0 engine swaps=)after market exhaust.n1 angle exhaust.body shop for conversions=)clutch button.blinkers hazardz and reverse lights.Track. dyno tune. alot of other things but cant think of it.lol.and oh yea. street racing gathering. drive up to a group of people and watch drag races and attend them

and now you have just created a new need for speed underground......



talking about stuff like body conversions, the whole point is to make the car seem as stock as possible, how about we drive some real cars and not cars that look like spaceships or cars that are 100 percent carbon-fibre....

Not to make it seem like I'm picking on you, but:

Burnout til the tires blow.

What would be the point of that?

headlight bulb change

And that?

reverse lights

They have that on some of the cars I think.

engine swaps=)

Thast actually pretty cool, they have that in Forza.

drive up to a group of people and watch drag races and attend them

Ok...we're talking about the next Gran Turismo, not NFS: Underground.

I dont like them mixing games. I remember in the first two they had a lot of everyday cars like Lexus' and Toyota Camrys' and Ford Taurus'...it would be nice if they include average cars in the next one. They seem to be moving more to only race cars in GT.

We really need to get polyphony to take a long hard look at some forums.
and what pisses me off the most (off topic) they could've put online in gt4 but chose not to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh one more thing how the f*ck does ur gdamn penguin know all my personal info!!? pimp349!!

I think a good idea is too take a good amount of time making this game graphically and physics wise perfect and make it the last entry of the series... (sounds crazy). But every year make it so u can download and upgrade new tracks and cars that come out. I may take a little longer to make the initial game but i think it'd be worth the wait. Of course then why would u need real life racing if video games were perfect.

*F1 Tracks + F1 cars ^_^

if you want F1 cars an F1 tracks go buy an F1 game, Gran Turismo is predominantly road cars.

I just happened to check the info yesterday and Lambo is under the license of Electronic Arts and Sony doesn't want to pay the price to have the right to use their cars (they don't have to pay for most car producers since it's free publicity for them, that's the reason why there's no damage rendering). Porsche and Ferrari were under Microsoft license but Ferrari will be included in G.T. HD so it's not clear if Microsoft also dropped the Porsche license.

i think alot more cars would be a good idea, like instead of having 12 different skylines through in more average cars like the really old supras and for instance the best version of each year. Not retarded versions like the lx and then the lx 20th aniversary. That's just retarded. Maybe put both versions in if it's like the spura w/ a turbo version and a non-turbo but if it's just a version where say the car had more cup holders than the last one yeah either let us have an in cockpit view where we can see the cup holders or keep the mofo car out the game.

i think alot more cars would be a good idea, like instead of having 12 different skylines through in more average cars like the really old supras and for instance the best version of each year. Not retarded versions like the lx and then the lx 20th aniversary. That's just retarded. Maybe put both versions in if it's like the spura w/ a turbo version and a non-turbo but if it's just a version where say the car had more cup holders than the last one yeah either let us have an in cockpit view where we can see the cup holders or keep the mofo car out the game.

A lot more cars? How many of the GT4's 720+ cars have you actively used? Cmon, be realistic. You're right about the skyline though, I was trying to buy one just for fun to mess with it and guess what...I spent about 30 mins trying to pick one (Vspec, VspecII, Mspec, N1 NUR...), in the end I didnt buy anything and just turned off my PS2 in frustration! More models, not different versions of the same model. The thing I miss the most is the racing modifcation and regular street cars like the camry, gs400 and taurus just to name a few. As for the online feature some people told me they have it in GT4 but not officialy. The thing with the cup holders cracked me up..thanks.


Oh one more thing how the f*ck does ur gdamn penguin know all my personal info!!? pimp349!!

I dont know...its a signature...go to danasoft.com and you can create your own that will tell other people their stuff. Its not that hard to find out all this info anyway.

Here's some realism for ya i may not have used all of the cars but i may be a fan of some of the great car they didn't put in the game the s12 for instance and alot of great old muscle cars too like the zL1 ifu know what that is and the pontiac judge. I mean hello it isn't just ur taste they need to cater too dude they need to have cars for everyone. Some people like old cars so they need to take out a couple of those skylines(which are exactly the same) and put in some more cars from different eras like 50's 40's and 30's escpecially.

I admit that doing races in cars from the 30's would be really cool

Here's some realism for ya...I mean hello it isn't just ur taste they need to cater too dude they need to have cars for everyone. Some people like old cars so they need to take out a couple of those skylines(which are exactly the same) and put in some more cars from different eras like 50's 40's and 30's escpecially.


I agree with you 100% about the skylines, I would love some of the pre-war era cars too. They have the Audi Streamliner or something I think. As for the muscle cars, I'm generally not a big fan of those but still agree with you that they should put more in since they have many Jap cars fom that time period. But you do have to admit that GT started out being about everyday cars and JGTC cars...not muscle cars.

You do realize that they wont/cant put everything in the next one or else what would GT6 be about, you know? Its a businss after all...if they throw everything into the next one they wont have anything for the one after that. Something I see most likely to appear in GT5 by looking at other games out now are downloadable cars and tracks. And honestly, I dont like how the game "ends" only half way with the driving missions being optional, this way I dont want to do them since I already "beat" the game, the other GT's were longer and that was the beauty of them. Also they should return with the horsepower classes.

I personally find it way much more fun to tune a everyday car than to play with an already pre-tuned car like the Skyline, you can feel the difference a lot more... well, I think so...

I'd like to drive an El Camino ;)

I personally find it way much more fun to tune a everyday car than to play with an already pre-tuned car like the Skyline, you can feel the difference a lot more... well, I think so...

I'd like to drive an El Camino ;)


Hell yea, thats what I loved the first two GTs for. Taking a Mitsubishi Galant (or something of that nature) and making it a monster...lol...but to be honest though, I don't know why I've been writing this. I'm trying to sell my PS2 (and XBOX) becasue I have no time for video games lately. College and work take up most of the time, whatever is left goes to my girl and friends. I play games once a month, if I'm lucky. I tried playing Forza and gave up because it takes serious dedication to complete that game. I probaly will NOT be geting the next GT becasue I won't pay 500 or 600 for a PS3! Its a lot of money for a toy I know I won't use that much, even if it has the BLu-ray or whatever. That money can go towards my real car.

Sorry for getting off topic...definatly more common, everyday street cars that we see on the road but still add a few new racers (and concepts) here and there.

i have to agree with the skylines, 1 for each generation of the gtr r series, and a racing version of em, 6 total, and wen u buy a car from a used dealer it doesn't come up again, how about being able to change the color of the car, a f'in pink car, i think not. how about a few car companies more
porsche(i want my damn 924) ferrari, lambo, mclaren, vector(look at my user name) venturi, ultima, get sponsers on ur car(without placing them there urself like forza) a dodge stealth(i own a real tt, but it's not in the game) fiat, bugatti, maseratti, panoz roadster, i'm a car guy, i could name cars that no one has ever heard of. i'm definitly on board for makinga list and sending it, also how bout some tracks, sebring, daytona, rd atlanta, LE MANS, i hate fantasy tracks
NEW ONE HAS LIKE 20 CARS PER RACE

....i'm a car guy, i could name cars that no one has ever heard of.
:uhoh:...I thought everyone here was a car guy...I mean after all these ARE "Automotive Forums" aren't they... :grinyes:

also how bout some tracks, sebring, daytona, rd atlanta, LE MANS, i hate fantasy tracks

They did have Le Mans, 2 versions, with the chicanes and w/o. Yea...after Forza had all thos real life tracks I think GT will have no choice but to include more, real life tracks.

true everyone is a car guy or woman here, but i just want a huge ass selection of cars, and does anybody know how to get the ford gt90 in gt2, i could never figure that out. i don't think that there should be lisences, just unlock different things, like forza, i thought honestly that that is a better game. true with gt5 and forza 2 i think with gt5 being on the better system and running a different way completely that forza 2 is not gonna even come close but we'll have to c,. also when does gt4 hd come out, it looks amazing, almost real, it's scary

a dodge stealth(i own a real tt, but it's not in the game)

isn't the mitsubishi GTO a Dodge Stealth and actually the Stealth really was a rebadged GTO =P

mechanically it's a rebadged gto, along with the 3k gt, but i like dodge and i don't like mitsubishi, that and some people prefer the stealths looks over the other two. also they are different cars, wieght is different, and in a racing game weight helps, in the real world, 100lbs off a car is about a tenth of a second in acceleration. also in forza 1 they have both cars, and o yea they are put in 2 different classes because they are not exactly the same.

i also think that u should come up in local events, like in the usa, u start running a slightly modified version of a street car(i.e:rsx with a rool cage) also drive around the town would be cool, just don't go to the nfsu stuff. a calender events, like not all races are available whenever u want to race em, 24hrs le mans in june, atlanta in sept and so on, also bring back the hp cap, race a 900hp skyline vs. a 210hp talon, i dont think that's even fair

imprezas s 202,203,204.
P1.
hmm. some bodykits maybe.
Some drag races/
Technical damage/

Guys, I think many of you are forgetting what GT is all about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_turismo

Gran Turismo is Spanish for grand touring or "grand tourisme." These terms are used to describe long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana and the high-powered sports cars which compete there. Some examples are the BMW M3, Ferrari 250 GTO, Porsche 911 GT3, Porsche 904 GTS, and the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640.

After these famous races and cars, several road cars and even computer games adopted the Gran Turismo name:

* Grand tourer, a car designed for comfortable long distance driving.
* Gran Turismo (GT) series of games for the Sony PlayStation, PlayStation Portable, PlayStation 2, and PlayStation 3 gaming systems.
* Many automobiles integrate GT into their names or use GT to describe a particular trim level.

Originally, it was based on the JGTC, All-Japan Grand Touring Car Championship (now called Super GT) and had the cars from the series, plus a few outsiders (TS020, R390, & Viper GTS-R from Le Mans, and some others). I think it will (should!) be a further development of that and NOT stray off in some other direction. In recent years the Super GT has begun to hold races all over the world (GT4 had tracks from Korea, China and more importantly Le Mans and the Nürburgring, which is great) and I think the next GT should follow. I want the game to expand (CTS-V racecar please), but not become like many other racing games out there, "Jack of all trades, master of none". GT is the Ferrari of racing games, simply put, one of the best.

Speaking about Ferrari and other exotics in GT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_%28series%29

Criticisms

Also, there are certain notable marque omissions that leave many enthusiasts upset. There are no Lamborghinis (excepting a privateer JGTC Diablo in the Japanese edition of GT3), or Porsches (although RUF, which is available, builds its cars on Porsche chassis). Perhaps the most surprising absence of the game is that of Ferrari (although it is finally making an appearance in the new Gran Turismo HD). This is because the Publisher Electronic Arts holds the rights and will not allow futher licensing, at least not for a price acceptable to Sony/Polyphony.

I'm not a big fan of Forza, but the game is a good thing. It will force the makers of GT to include a lot more real life tracks in the next one since Forza had Road America, Sebring, Road Atlanta, and many others.

I learned many things about cars and racing from GT which I doubt I would've learned from games like NFS: underground. Dont forget, the earlier GT's had booklets about the theory of racing: perfect line, early/late apex, braking, acceleration, weight transfer, tire wear, +/- of FF, FR, MR, AWD cars, etc...lets hope this legend continues and GT stays true to its roots.

More cars, and equipment failures, also repaints, vinyls and bodykits

More cars, and equipment failures, also repaints, vinyls and bodykits

^^^obviously oblivious to all the posts in this thread that actually make sense.

the hd verson of gt4 comes out in march i've heard. and i just think, more cars, and damage, and more realistic tracks, that's all it needs. and for cars, ferrari porsche and lambo will do it for me

More Mustangs! Maybe some deisel trucks. Decals.

^^^obviously oblivious to all the posts in this thread that actually make sense.

Actually, I think this tells us something...Most likely, if there will be major changes of any kind, the next GT will have more of that stuff instead of the things we want. Sony will probably give in to more of their demands than ours. WHY you ask? More people buy games like NFS:U than GT. For every one game like Forza or GT, there are like 5+ street racing games and since Gran Turismo is a business, well, you know how it goes...There is a bigger following to that stuff than there is to endurance racing/grand touring. Out of all the people that play games (spend $$ on games), more are into "ricing" the cars than the actual "physics of motorsport." You know what I'm saying guys?

i think wat u just said is the dumbest thing eveer, other than if a person walks in and is wet, and u ask if it's raining out. but seriously gt wnt put ricer shit in, that's a different racing type, they relize that is made by to many other companies. and besides if u play with a cars setup in gt or forza u can drift, it's not that difficult. and besides i personally have more gt type games than nfs:u, actually thats the only one i have, the rest are gt2-4, forza and most likely f2, le mans,

i think wat u just said is the dumbest thing eveer, other than if a person walks in and is wet, and u ask if it's raining out. but seriously gt wnt put ricer shit in, that's a different racing type, they relize that is made by to many other companies. and besides if u play with a cars setup in gt or forza u can drift, it's not that difficult. and besides i personally have more gt type games than nfs:u, actually thats the only one i have, the rest are gt2-4, forza and most likely f2, le mans,

Was that really necessary? Why is it dumb? Because it doesn't agree with you're point of view? That just says that you're the retard. And learn how to spell my friend.

As far as I remember (but it's been a while sine I last played GT 2) you can't change you wheels in GT2 and you can in GT4... does it shows something? that Sony is ready to add non-race-usefull stuff to their game to please the ricers out there... much like there are 57 different kinds of nissan skylines in GT4 because all ricers know that the skyline is TEH SHIT!



that just made me think about something, being able to change the tires, and by that I mean the actual size of the tires, would be pretty kewl... small rims means more hp at the wheels, now, that's a racer thing (note that I don't use "i" in racer)

if u want to drift in a game, by a drift game, not gt, or forza, they are not made for that, they're made for grand touring, hence the name GRAN TURISMO. and i can spell, most my errors are made by the keyboard being too sensitive. all that's needed in gt5 is less skylines, we dnt need 57 different ones, 6 will suffice. we need more real world tracks, call sarth- le mans(more people know it that way), and i'd like it if the cars weren't locked as apposed to the hell u have to go thru to get them

if u wanna drift in a grand touring type game, enthusia, it's a good game, ps2. i own it, the cars are modified for u, but modified well. aboput 250 cars.

...they are not made for that, they're made for grand touring, hence the name GRAN TURISMO...

And you said my post was dumb? Why don't you read the first post on that page by me, you just repeated what I said.

...does it shows something? that Sony is ready to add non-race-usefull stuff to their game to please the ricers out there...

Yea man, you're right. Thats exactly what I was saying. Its called competition. If, for example, GT5 and Forza2 are exactly alike, but Forza has the option to add body kits, tints, or whatever, Forza will look as the better game.

oh btw you can change the size of rims in gt4.

oh btw you can change the size of rims in gt4.

How???

......christ almighty......

if he's talking about the different sizes of the different tyre types (race, gravel ice), then i'm going to go kill a bunny.

i think u should find a fricken bunny, the way it looks tho, forza2 isn't gonna b as good as the 1st, i've looked up car lists, and for some reason most companies rnt in it, or they dnt have everytthing singed for it yet, but gt5, or gt4hd(basis to gt5) is gonna have ferrari, and about the same amount of cars, which leads me to believe that they got rid of some skylines

ef hatches

i would really like to be able to download cars beyond the base type cars.
you could put them on a usb flash drive and plug it in when you start the game.
downloadable tracks would be cool too.
it would be cool to have an autocross editor too.
a big open area (like in LFS) that you could use for autocrossing, g-testing, and general testing stuff.
i think that it would be cool to be able to put WIDER tires on any car.
like 12" tires on an 800 hp miata.
that would be cool.
bodykits (aerokits?) would be cool because it would be a way to personalize a car a little bit.
i would like to have a RGB editor to repaint cars... especially a used car that you hate the color of.
there should be things you can do to make cars easier to control like wider tires and stuff.


i think that the drifting component shoud stay FAR away from the next gran tourismo and future gran tourismo games.

there is more stuff, but this is all i can remember right now.

I bet Sony will make a TON of downloads offering all of that stuff you mentioned for the next GT. Easiest way to do it.

If you guys didn't hear, Ferrari finally allowed the F430 and the 599GTB Fiorano to be featured in Gran Turismo HD as it's going to be called for PS3. It was in the lastest issue of Evo, the car mag from UK. It's on a side panel near the beginning.

Now thats some good news! any news on lamborghini?

I just want to adda few things.
1) I want the "G-meter" to show foreward and backward g's
2) I want in car views
3) I want to SEE the ENGINE, and the PARTS!!! I want to choose from different companies, and in dooing so, get different looking parts, performance, etc...

i'd like to see the car flip on the rally course

yea i'd like to c a car flip on a rally track. engine detail would b nice too, and different things, like air intake companies and exhaust, not just air intake/exhaust. b able to change the turbo pressure, from say 9bars to 14bars

b able to change the turbo pressure, from say 9bars to 14bars

You mean psi? Because 9 bar is about 126 psi...and I never heard of that much pressure haha.

You should be able to do actual NHRA sponsered drag racing tournaments. They had drag races in GT2.

engine damage
different tire tread patterns
Tire pressure adjustment

the game just rulez.

there was damage in arcade mode for gt2, just not body damage

personally i think that damage would make the game much harder to play because you would actually have to be careful not to over-rev and you would have to be careful of walls more.

play "Live for Speed" for a while and i promise that you will soon get tired of having to pit each time you touch a wall because it throws the suspension out of alignment.

i think that changing boost pressures and tire pressure would be cool.
as would allowing the installation of wider tires.
converting a car from FWD to AWD or RWD, or from RWD to AWD would be cool too.
it would have to be Uber expensive tho.

the creators of Grand Turismo should team up with the creators of Burnout :thumbsup:

no. that would ruin the game.

how bout , u buy the base car, at the start, not the gtr skyline for example, how bout the gts version, then as u go thru u can upgrade it urself, kind of like nfs type but still the same thing as gt. start with more than 10g, maybe 20, most cars cost that much, or 15 if u wanna start with like a civic. forza gives u 23k or something, i found that a good idea. also dnt replace the used car lot with the saem damn car again, i dnt wanna buy a 3000gt vr4, than find it again nxt week.
also u dnt choose weather a car is m/t or a/t. wen u buy a race car, its only maual, i'ev never seen one that a/t. wwen u go to buy one u choose(for a new car) for used they are either depending on wat the original owner got. how is it that i can buy an automatic in a 3000gt vr4, which in real life was only a manual, trust me i own the sister car of it. more realism, not shitness. they are all good games, but forza is looking better than gt.

the reason for having an automatic in a manual only car is that some people find it too difficult to press a button when they want to change gears.

in nearly every car, the auto version also has fewer gears than the manual, and usually has shorter gearing to help make up the acceleration that will be lost to the tranny. none of this appears in GT4.
does it matter, i dont think so.

the creators of Grand Turismo should team up with the creators of Burnout :thumbsup:
That's like saying make GT5 for the 360 (bad idea).

i dnt really think that if they attempted to sell gt5 on the 360 it wouldnt b bad, the only reason i bought regular xbox was for forza(360 wasnt out yet) and i admit it is a great game, but it's not everything i want, all it has better than gt4 is damage and graphics(the system)

I've always believed that polyphony digital was a part of sony, but this could very well be not true, but either way, GT is one of those "sony only" games in my eyes (kinda like project gotham racing or halo for xbox). With sony in the picture, I think it would be stupid for GT5 to be available for 360 as this can very well hurt ps3 sales. I mean be honest, would you still buy a ps3 if GT5 was also on 360, i sure as hell wouldn't. The game series itself however would make a lot more money if it was on an xbox platform also, no doubt and would be nice to see as it could possibly look better on a microsoft product.

no u got a point that it would hurt ps3 sales, but i went from playing forza on xbox to playing gt4 on ps2, let me tell u that was a mistake, graphics are so much worse on ps2 its unbelievable. the realism is much better on forza, but thats just the game itself.
the only reason people would still buy ps3 is for other games that are only made for ps3.
some other things they should consider with gt5, when u wash the car, it looks cleaner. body shops, so if they do add damage, not only does it cost to get fixed, but it wont allow u to race that car in the next race. and now that ea has basically given up rights on ferrari and lambo and porsche, include them too, but dnt leave out all the other rare cars like cizetta. bring back some cars, even from companies that dnt exist anymore, like vector, venturi, plymouth, desoto. another thing, wen u unlock a car thru racing, it stays unlocked, i accidently sold my f1 car, so i had to rerace the 24hrs nuringburg to get. o and on nuringburg, put in some of the other tracks it has to offer
thats all i can think of now, i just really wanna race vectors again, and a porsche 924 carrera

i'm surprised vector hasn't been added to the lineup in the first 4. Similar to Lotus with sleek aircraft like styling and good amount of v8 power. Deserves to be in the game.

vector was in gt2, made me happy, its the only rason i still have the game. lotus has been in all but the 1st one.
the only reason vector wont b in another game is because it's not vector anymore, and basically the company is split between two other companies, cant get the rights. i als o want fisker in it, and of course the veyron.
also instead of there being 8 skylines to choose from in the nissan dealer alone, have it in colomns, get to the skyline, then scroll down to get the one u want, hit x, and choose the color.
also custom color and decals, cause face it, the only way to sell a ps3 and gt5 will be if its better than forza 2, the game and system would b like $800. but f2 and 360 would b like 350, depending on which 360 is chosen.
different discs for arcade and simulation, it would allow for more to be put on the simulation cd and the arcade disc.
o and be able to start another series of races without losing the series ur in.
and some cars from the 30's, hot rods, and duesenbergs, yes that company still exists, they made a car in 03

forza motorsports 2 creators did a great job, they must've read this forum, there are only 4 SKYLINES in the game. granted the list doesnt have the tuner cars, so god only knows wat the final count will be. take a look at the list google forza motorsports 2

haha theres like 58 unique skylines in gt4. not counting different colors. and mileage on the used ones.

yea well i'll be happy

Free roam would be interesting, but who would honestly drive at speed limit?? It's hard enough in real life let alone in game!!!!! :banghead: That would get mind numbing I believe, cool idea but it'll never happen!! Body kits is a good idea also, I think the customisation does need to be stepped up, look at Forza on Xbox, admittadely they only have a few kits but it makes buying a car more interesting & personal!!:grinyes:

I would like 92 - 00 honda civic coupes and 4drs.96-98 Civic Sirs' 91-93 integras.94 - 97 integras.integra 4drs.Burnout out til the tires blow.lipkits from mugen.spoon.type r.rims from mugen.spoon.rotas.spoilers from spoon for civic hatchbacks. blow your engine and purchase a new one. drop the car to the ground=). real life car damage.paint jobs. see intercoolers when car is turbo'd.jdm civic and integra fogs.headlight bulb change.different exhaust make different sounds.different blow off valve sounds. adjustable blow off valves. drift session.car show=0 engine swaps=)after market exhaust.n1 angle exhaust.body shop for conversions=)clutch button.blinkers hazardz and reverse lights.Track. dyno tune. alot of other things but cant think of it.lol.and oh yea. street racing gathering. drive up to a group of people and watch drag races and attend them

The Gran Turismo series doesn't focus on the bad boys who take their mums car and make it look like something they got with their Kellogs Rice Crispies that morning!!!!!! (not that I have anything against the real tuner cars...... Skyline GTRs, Mitsu Evos, Scoobies etc!!)

i think that if gt5 isnt better than forza 2, the gt series will b in trouble, think about it.
forza and gt4 came out at the same time. forza 2 comes out may 5th or something like that. gt5 not even this yr. by the time gt5 comes out the next forza will b 6 months away. outright forza is a better game(maybe not as many cars) but a better game all around, and that's only goning to get better, the makers of gt5 better get their shit together, or forza3 will be for ps3 and xbox 360.

The Gran Turismo series doesn't focus on the bad boys who take their mums car and make it look like something they got with their Kellogs Rice Crispies that morning!!!!!! (not that I have anything against the real tuner cars...... Skyline GTRs, Mitsu Evos, Scoobies etc!!)
Agreed to an extent. People have to realize that Gran Turismo is a "real life driving simulator" and not a street racing game, that's what Need for speed and midnight club is for. It's best to stick to the traditional racing methods on a track and tuning your car settings in many ways as you upgrade parts, as it has been in the first 4. Polyphony may be forced to incorporate some of the "ricer" kind of things in some way, however, to be able to compete with similar games. I think downloads/upgrades is the best bet (purchase from online marketplace kinda thing like xbox live) as it's cheaper and would keep everyone happy. The people who want it will get it and the traditional GT players who don't won't get it. But more sounds and an increase in effects of the add ons would be nice. For example, i'd like to see more styles of wings plus a wind tunnel to test and see how downforce is for each type. Different weights for wheels would be cool too (set of motegi wheels are lighter than stock units, affecting handling for example). Dyno testing isn't a bad idea either.

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they do kinda cater to ricer type things, i mean they have the whole tuner village, tell me it doesnt get more ricer than that. granted those cars are also 200g and more of a real track race car, but they r also ricer type.
honostly i dnt think sony should give a rats ass in gt5 about ricers, it's only one of two games like that i know of, leave it the hell alone, just make it better

Race modify any car you own

ferrari, of course, bugatti veyron, mosler, mcclaren f1

The vehicles I'd like to have in Gran Turismo 5 are:
2008 Acura MDX w/sport package
2008 Acura RDX
2008 Acura RL
2005 Acura RSX
2008 Acura TL Type-S
2008 Acura TSX 3.2
2008 Audi S3 3.2 S-line
2008 Audi A6 3.2 FSI (sedan & Avant)
2008 Audi A8 L W12
2008 Audi Q7 4.2 S-line
2008 Audi R8 (most likely going to be in the game.)
2008 Audi RS4 ( sedan, cabriolet, & Avant.)
2008 Audi S4 ( all versions.)
2008 Audi S5, S6, & S8
2008 Audi TT roadster 3.2

2008 BMW 135 coupe, convertible
2008 BMW 335xi coupe & sedan
2008 BMW 335i convertible
2008 BMW 328xi wagon
2008 BMW 550i sedan
2008 BMW 535xi sports wagon
2008 BMW 760Li sedan
2008 BMW M3, M5, M6, & M coupe & roadster
2008 BMW X5 4.8i
2008 BMW X6

2008 Buick Enclave CXL AWD
2008 Buick Lacrosse Super
2008 Buick Lucerne Super
2008 Cadillac CTS AWD 3.6 D.I engine
2008 Cadillac CTS-V
2008 Cadillac Escalade ESV & EXT AWD
2008 Cadillac SRX V8 AWD
2008 Cadillac STS-V
2008 Cadillac XLR-V

2008 Chevrolet Avalanche 4WD LTZ
2008 Chevrolet Aveo LT
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS S/C and SS sedan
2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2008 Chevrolet Equinox Sport
2008 Chevrolet HHR SS
2008 Chevrolet Impala SS
2008 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ
2008 Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid
2006 Chevrolet Malibu SS
2008 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4WD 5.3 V8 LTZ
2008 Chevrolet Suburban 1500 LTZ 4WD
2008 Chevrolet Tahoe LTZ 4WD
2008 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 2WD
2008 Chevrolet Trailblazer SS 4WD
2009 Chevrolet Traverse
2005 Chevrolet Uplander LT
2004 chevrolet Venture EXT WB

2008 Chrysler Aspen 4WD
2008 Chrysler Pacifica AWD Limited
2008 Chrysler Sebring Limited (all body styles)
2008 Chrysler Town & Country Limited
2005 Chrysler Town & Country Limited

2008 Dodge Avenger R/T AWD
2008 Dodge Caliber SRT4
2008 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T
2008 Dodge Charger SRT8
2008 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT ( 4.0 liter engine)
2009 Dodge Journey AWD R/T
2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8
2008 Dodge Nitro AWD R/T
2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe

2008 Ford Edge Limited AWD
2008 Ford Escape Limited AWD
2008 Ford Expedition EL King Ranch AWD
2008 Ford Explorer XLT ( ironman package), and Eddie Bauer
2008 Ford F150 Harley Davidson Edition 4WD
2008 Ford Focus SES sedan and coupe
2008 ford Fusion SEL V6 w/sport appearence package
2008 Ford Taurus Limited AWD
2008 Ford Taurus X Limited AWD
2008 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500
2008 GMC Acadia SLT AWD

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6 sedan
? Honda Accord Coupe Concept
2008 Honda Civic Si ( sedan and coupe), Hybrid, and EX ( coupe and sedan)
2008 Honda CR-V EX AWD
2008 Honda Element SC
2009 Honda Fit
2008 Honda Odyssey Touring ( without PAX tires)
2009 Honda Pilot EX
2008 Honda Pilot Prototype
2008 Honda Ridgeline RTL

2008 Hyundai Azera Limited
2008 Hyundai Accent GLS sedan
2008 Hyundai Elantra SE
2008 Hyundai Genesis
2008 Hyundai Santa Fe Limited AWD
2009 Hyundai Sonata Limited V6
2008 Hyundai Veracruz Limited AWD

2008 Infiniti EX35 AWD
2008 Infiniti FX45 AWD
2008 Infiniti G35 Journey
2008 Infinit G37 Sport
2008 Infinit M45x AWD

2009 Jaguar XF 4.2 Supercharged
2008 Jaguar XKR convertible.
2008 Jaguar X-type Sportwagen

2008 Jeep Commander Overland 4WD
2008 Jeep Compass Limited AWD
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4WD
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
2008 Jeep Liberty 4WD Limited
2008 Jeep Wranger Unlimited Rubicon

2008 Kia Amanti
2008 Kia Optima EX V6
2008 Kia Rondo EX V6
2008 Kia Sedona Base
2008 Kia Sedona EX
2008 Kia Sorento EX 4WD
2008 Kia Spectra SX
2008 Kia Spectra5 SX

2008 Land Rover LR2 HSE
2008 Land Rover LR3 V8 HSE
2008 Land Rover Ranger Rover Sport Supercharged

2008 Lexus ES350
2008 Lexus GS460
2008 Lexus GX470
2008 Lexus IS-F
2008 Lexus LS460L
2008 Lexus RX350 AWD

2008 Mazda 3 S Grand Touring sedan and hatchback
2008 Mazda 5 Grand Touring
2009 Mazda 6 sedan, hatchback, wagon ( JDM Spec model)
2008 Mazda CX-7 Grand Touring AWD
2008 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring AWD
2008 Mazda Mpv 23T ( JDM Spec)
2005 Mazda Mpv ES
2008 Mazda MX-5 Roadster Grand Touring
? Mazda Mx-Flexa Concept

2008 Mercedes Benz C350 Sports sedan
2008 Mercedes Benz CL65 AMG
2008 Mercedes Benz CLK63 AMG
2008 Mercedes Benz CLS63 AMG
2008 Mercedes Benz E550
2008 Mercedes Benz GL550
2008 Mercedes Benz ML63 AMG
2008 Mercedes Benz R350 4Matic
2008 Mercedes S65 AMG
2008 Mercedes Benz SLK55 AMG

2008 Mini Cooper S Clubman
2008 Mini Cooper S Convertible
2008 Mini Cooper S Hardtop

2009 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT Spyder
2008 Mitsubishi Endeavor SE AWD
2009 Mitsubishi Galant Rilliart
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X
2008 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS AWD
2008 Nissan Altima 3.5 SL coupe and sedan
2008 Nissan Frontier Nismo Crew Cab 4WD
2008 Nissan GT-R
2008 Nissan Maxima SL
2009 Nissan Murano LE
2008 Nissan Pathfinder LE V8 4WD
2008 Nissan Quest 3.5 SE
2008 Nissan Rogue SL AWD
2008 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V
2008 Nissan Versa Hatchback
2008 Nissan Xterra 4WD SE