LSD anyone?

All this time waiting for my b16a clip and I'm starting to think, maybe I should go with the LSD. Thoughts on this? Is it worth the extra money? Has anyone driven with/without and really noticed the difference?

Originally posted by CRX586
All this time waiting for my b16a clip and I'm starting to think, maybe I should go with the LSD. Thoughts on this? Is it worth the extra money? Has anyone driven with/without and really noticed the difference?

Shit i'd go for it.

my y1 came with lsd, it has yet to be seen how much difference it makes. The only good test is to find someone that added it after they drove the car with everything else the same. my car is gonna feel completely different after the swap, since its new engine, tranny, clutch, even a short shifter was added. I wont be able to tell what lsd has to do in all that mess, too many variables.

I'd get it.:) I am thinking of putting a quaife LSD in my S1 trans soon. I think it would be worth it if you can find one for a good price.:)

Originally posted by 91zc
I'd get it.:) I am thinking of putting a quaife LSD in my S1 trans soon. I think it would be worth it if you can find one for a good price.:)

I've seen them for like 600-800, so when I had the option of getting my tranny already equipped w/ lsd for 300 extra, I went for it. Is quaife the oem supplier of the honda lsd's? If not, who is? or does honda make their own...

Originally posted by ricodemus


I've seen them for like 600-800, so when I had the option of getting my tranny already equipped w/ lsd for 300 extra, I went for it. Is quaife the oem supplier of the honda lsd's? If not, who is? or does honda make their own...

I believe honda makes there own. Man you're lucky that u got lsd.:)

yah when my tranny shits i'm just gonna find a y1 w/ an lsd already in it, i can't stand the massive torque steer my car has.

Phantom Grip makes a $295 LSD, i haven't heard a whole lot about them but the price is right so I might try it once the B18 is here.

Originally posted by PFCfutrell
Phantom Grip makes a $295 LSD, i haven't heard a whole lot about them but the price is right so I might try it once the B18 is here.

Yeh its a good price but read somewhere on "Purehonda" that the phantom grip is not good. They said that it'll tear ur tranny apart?? So i don't know but it is a good price though.

i was under the impression that phantom grip is the type of lsd that doesnt allow you to turn, so it would tear your axles and tranny up if you did. but maybe I'm wrong...

Honda LSDs are Quaifes as I understand it. Certainly they were to the EF series of Honda.

Ok, after driving around the last couple days with my b16 (sans vtec :( ), I am thinking that lsd is the shiznit. I know the b16 isnt a torque monster, but its got a hell of a lot of more low end pull than my battered and bruised d16a6. It rained here today and I only spun the tires like twice, where as with the d16, I would constantly spin the tires in a rainy condition. I say if you can get an lsd for a reasonable price, get it. Like I said earlier, there are other variables involved, but I think the lsd is a nice purchase, especially for 300 usd. And as Setanta said, quaife is the oem supplier of lsd's for honda.

Assuming that I add this after the swap (non-LSD clip already ordered), we're looking at $850 for the Quaife plus install. How hard are these to install, and does anyone know where I can get a better price?

Originally posted by CRX586
Assuming that I add this after the swap (non-LSD clip already ordered), we're looking at $850 for the Quaife plus install. How hard are these to install, and does anyone know where I can get a better price?

I think i would go with Kaaz? I saw one for like 700? I guess you can find a quife for that price also. Just gotta keep lookin.

Yes. I have it on my Max and it makes a big difference off the line. You wont slip, even in the rain traction is very good but slippage is more possible.

so for 300 bucks would the phantom lsd be a good buy?

apparently the phantom grip "lsd" isnt really a lsd, but works like one. I did a quick search and seem to not have run into anything too negative, but google makes their money by putting advertisements first on search hits. I would do some hardcore web searches and see what you come up with.

Originally posted by spy54
so for 300 bucks would the phantom lsd be a good buy?

Yeh ricodemus is rite. Do some more research on those. From what i heard that it tears ur tranny apart. I don't know if its true but my best bet that i would ask someone who has or had one.

damn for the price i would just by a lsd equipped tranny..... either way don't go phantom, it's pretty much like a locker, it'll work great off the line, but kiss cornering goodbye, when you are making a turn both wheels will get 50/50 torque instead of whats proper 60/40 or what have you..... or that's how it was explained to me.

I haven't heard anything negative about the Phantom Grip, but a 300 dollar LSD seems to good to be true.

The type-r has a torsen limited slip, i don't know who makes it. The other limited slips (all factory non-type r trannys) are usally made by hitachi, they are totally different. They are clutch pack limited slips. Hitatchi is the OEM diff supplier to most japanese carmakers. They also make the performance clutchpack diffs but they are based on the same housing as the open diffs so they are cast and have only 2 pinions. All of the aftermarket clutchpack diffs (kaaz, cusco,ats) CNC new 4 pinion housings so they have more space inside for largers clutch discs. They are less prone to failure since they were designed from the ground up as LSDs and build up less heat. For the street I would recommend an aftermarket 1.5way clutchpack diff or a torsen. If you find a good deal on a jdm lsd tranny they are worth it but remember that clutchpack diffs wear out and you should try to get a rebuild kit (viscous and torsen diffs should last a long time). I have heard some bad things about phantom grips but they are so damn cheap (i have seen them new for less than $200) that it might be worth it to some people. I hope that this helped.
-Mike

Originally posted by velocitySiR
yah when my tranny shits i'm just gonna find a y1 w/ an lsd already in it, i can't stand the massive torque steer my car has.

i very highly doubt it's torque steer... hondas do not exhibit torque steer. it is probably a loose suspension component or bad alignment.

in order to have torque steer, you need to have torque.

111ft-lbs in a 2000 lbs car is NOT gonna give you torque steer, especially with equal-length half-shafts like what the B16A trannies have.

Originally posted by mk4chaser
The type-r has a torsen limited slip, i don't know who makes it. The other limited slips (all factory non-type r trannys) are usally made by hitachi, they are totally different. They are clutch pack limited slips. Hitatchi is the OEM diff supplier to most japanese carmakers. They also make the performance clutchpack diffs but they are based on the same housing as the open diffs so they are cast and have only 2 pinions. All of the aftermarket clutchpack diffs (kaaz, cusco,ats) CNC new 4 pinion housings so they have more space inside for largers clutch discs. They are less prone to failure since they were designed from the ground up as LSDs and build up less heat. For the street I would recommend an aftermarket 1.5way clutchpack diff or a torsen. If you find a good deal on a jdm lsd tranny they are worth it but remember that clutchpack diffs wear out and you should try to get a rebuild kit (viscous and torsen diffs should last a long time). I have heard some bad things about phantom grips but they are so damn cheap (i have seen them new for less than $200) that it might be worth it to some people. I hope that this helped.
-Mike

the primary difference between the 3 is this:

clutch-type: cheaper, but wears out quicker due to the friction-lining based nature of them (think of it as, of course, like a clutch or brake pad). very effective, however. very good all around LSD

torsen (or gear-based LSD). not mechanical slippage so there is no wear like clutch types. very expensive (compared to clutch type). for street duty they work.. if you are gonna drag race i would recommend a clutch type. with hard launches, sticky slicks, and a strong clutch, you can actually break the teeth on these types.

viscous: they use a thick fluid.. kinda like a heavy oil to lock the drive shafts. they have the long-wearing properties of a gear-based LSD, but without the pront to breakage under high load. these will be the longest-lasting type of LSD. they are very expensive however (moreso than gear-type), and they usually end up "hunting" for traction leaving the car to wander under hard throttle.. or causing a delay in shifting power to the outside wheel. because of this they are not as effective as gear or clutch type lsd's, but they have the best longevity.

our 1997 Nissan has a viscous LSD in it from the factory.

the ITR and new SE-R both have gear-types, but most other factory LSDs are clutch type.

hell.. even the porsche 959 had a clutch-type center differential.