VW Golf/GTI VR6


IcebergMan
06-05-2005, 06:59 PM
Hello,

First post in this specific forum. Anyways, I was looking at the the VW Golf/GTI VR6 and I have some questions. First of all, sometimes I've seen the car labeled as the Golf and sometimes labeled as the GTI VR6. If I'm correct the Golf is the stock model and the VR6 is like the Turbo model. Is this correct? If not, could someone please clarify this for me?

Secondly, if it is possible I would like to be able to get this car to run mid 13's to low 14's. How much would I probably have to spend to get it do this reliable? Also, is this car very reliable? One more thing, is it FWD or RWD?

Thank you.

drftk1d
06-06-2005, 10:32 AM
i think the vr6 is a no turbo v6.

and its fwd. ask in the volkswagon section next time ok?

CassiesMan
06-06-2005, 11:06 AM
Golf is a down tuned version, VR6 is kinda sportier, GTI I believe has a turbo 4 banger, and R32 is AWD with the VR6 motor, a little bit lighter, and handles better. I think its a high 14 second car, so it shouldn't be to hard to get them to be fairly quick. I'd recomend going with the turbo 1.8L model, as very little can make those things move. I drove my...I guess hes a cousin...Audi A4 with the 1.8T, had the Nuespeed Chip, Exhaust, Intake, and I think a short throw (something to do with the tranny overall), and that thing moved pretty quick.

IcebergMan
06-06-2005, 01:12 PM
Sorry. I would have posted it in the VW forum but there was a Golf and a GTI forum and I didn't know which to put it under. I'm truly sorry.

Anyways, I may as well ask this as I've been thinking about it for a while. I'm looking for a very novice friendly car (Probably is going to be FWD but that's fine with me), with good gas mileage (20+ up, 25+ would be ideal), can run 13's-14's reliably, isn't super expensive ($5K would be ideal), and that can be upgraded to run 13's-14's reliably with out to much money ($1-3K would be ideal). Does anything jump to mind? I don't really want an Eclipse or DSM because all of my friends have them and I really like to be different and stand out. So, anything that really jumps to mind?

Sorry for kind of changing the topic, if I should start a new one please tell me. Thank you.

BP2K2Max
06-06-2005, 01:39 PM
if you like VW's and want something sporty, look into a vr6 corrado. i'm not a big VW fan by any means but i do love the corrado.

and FYI: GTI's are not always turbo, my friend had a NA one, i don't know what the dif is between a golf and a GTI but as far as i know, it's not the motor. i do know that the golf is the lower model and can be had with a TDI motor. also the R32 is pretty much the new VR6. it's a 3.2L where the old ones are 2.8's. i saw an r32 at the track recently running low 15's.

street_racer_00
06-06-2005, 02:18 PM
The only golfs they make now are the one with the 1.8 liter turbo and the one with the narrow-angle V6(VR6)...stock for stock, the VR6 is a bit quicker...but remember, play with those 1.8 turbos a little bit, and you can get awesome power gains...gotta love factory boost.

drftk1d
06-06-2005, 03:24 PM
the new golf gti has a 2 liter turbo engine

street_racer_00
06-06-2005, 03:28 PM
Yeah, you're right, I forgot they changed that this year.

IcebergMan
06-06-2005, 07:03 PM
Thanks guys. So, would you recommend one for what I want? Also, it seems that the VR6's and R32's are pretty expensive so do you think a Golf could be made into what I want? If not, what other cars do you recommend?

Thank you.

CassiesMan
06-06-2005, 09:04 PM
Depends on how much your willing to spend. If I was forced to pick, I'd go with the new GTI with the 2.0L turbo, or a used 1.8T. However, if you have the money, you can get some decently quick cars used. How much are you looking to spend?

IcebergMan
06-06-2005, 09:20 PM
I know this sounds pathetic but I'm really cheap plus my cash flow isn't the strongest ever. I was hoping to spend $5K on the car itself and then possibly $2-3 more on upgrades.

Please keep in mind that I would like it to be reliable, good gas milage (Daily driver), and novice friendly. Also, if possible I would like it to be a little different (Not your standard DSM or Civic).

CassiesMan
06-06-2005, 09:42 PM
Eeek...cant help here, I was thinking that if you were looking into V dubs, you would be somewhere in the mid range, like 15ish...

IcebergMan
06-06-2005, 09:42 PM
V dubs? Sorry I have no experience with cars what so ever...

i3o2Matt
06-06-2005, 10:20 PM
lol V dubs are what the question was origionally about...a Volkswagen (VW[W-dub]) that is also what the lazy people say =P

IcebergMan
06-06-2005, 10:22 PM
Oh, I see.

GForce957
06-06-2005, 10:22 PM
take a look at a nissan 240sx, not sure on mpg, and yeah V Dub is VW

gti1689
06-07-2005, 07:30 AM
pretty sure that the r32 is low 14's.

PM me w/some questions about the gti. i'll respond when i get back from work.

gti1689
06-07-2005, 08:15 AM
alright, just read the thread. here are the specifics.
the volkswagen golf can either be a two door or a five door hatchback.


4 door

GLS 2.0
Horsepower 115 @ 5200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 122 @ 2600 RPM

GLS TDI
Horsepower 90/100 @ 3750 RPM (depending on model year)
Torque (lb-ft) 155/177 @ 1900 RPM (")

GLS 1.8T
Horsepower 150 @ 5800 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 162 @ 2200 RPM
the 1.8t model was only in production up to 2001 or maybe 2002.


2 door

GLS 2.0
Horsepower 115 @ 5200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 122 @ 2600 RPM

GLS TDI
Horsepower 90/100 @ 3750 RPM (depending on model year)
Torque (lb-ft) 155/177 @ 1900 RPM (")

the main differneces between the golf and the gti models are that the gti models have bigger engines, lack of a 4 door model, and better standard/optional equiptment.


gti

1.8t
Horsepower 150/180 @ 5500 RPM (150hp 2001 and earlier)
Torque (lb-ft) 162/173 @ 1950 RPM (162tq on 2001 and back)

vr6
Horsepower 174/200 @ 6200 RPM (")
Torque (lb-ft) 181/195 @ 3200 RPM (")

these are the hp figures for the fourth generation golf/gti that was produced from 1998-2004. the first one was offered as a 1999 model in the states, and this generation has been recently discontinued. america doesn't get the new model for a couple of months.

a couple of points:
-if u want reliability, don't buy a vw. by a 240sx and swap it, or find an old civic and drop something in.
-the 1999-2004 models are valued as 9000 for the cheapest gti, and 7000 for the cheapest golf. these cars might be out of your price range.
-if you are really set on buying a vw look at the previous generation golf/gti's. basically the same except no 1.8t.
-if u want easy speed don't buy a non-turbo gti/golf.


HAVE FUN!!!

IcebergMan
06-07-2005, 09:43 AM
Okay, thanks. Guess I won't be getting a "V Dub". Anyways, a couple people have recommended the 240SX so I'll check that out. Any other recommendations are welcome!

drftk1d
06-07-2005, 07:53 PM
5k? sounds like fox body time to me.

IcebergMan
06-07-2005, 08:41 PM
Yah, I first thought about that too but the 18 MPG isn't exactly something to write home about. :) Anyways, what do you guys think about the Mazda MX-5 Miata? I heard it's not very fast but it handles really nice...

CassiesMan
06-07-2005, 09:29 PM
The miata, as long as your not a homophobe or dont care if someone thinks your gay (which is often the case about the MX-5) is a hella car. From what I hear, they can be made very fast for cheap, and handle superbly. I think I heard somewhere of someone dropping in a massive muscle motor into one, and that it hauled ass. They can be good cars. Only thing I dont like is the convertable. I dont like drop tops.

drftk1d
06-08-2005, 04:36 PM
yeah. seen 5.0s in them. also FI is VERY common on a miata.

91300zxtt
06-08-2005, 05:12 PM
YOU DON'T WANT A 240sx. Horrible on gas. Burns Oil like a mofo. You'll hear lots of ticking from the engine. You said it yourself you want FWD, 240= RWD. :grinno:

For your range, Integras and Civic come to mind. There is a decent chance you could find an Integra GSR, those are pretty fast. Or you could get an LS and turbo it. Mustangs are also RWD, not sure you want that. You could find something along the lines of an NA 3000gt. especially with 5 grand plus 2-3 more for mods. Infiniti G20 from the early 90's. Nice sr20de motor, lots of mods if you search.

IcebergMan
06-08-2005, 05:24 PM
Okay, thanks. I didn't say it had to be FWD I would just like it if it's novice friendly (I just assumed that FWD is much more noob friendly).

Anyways, if the 240SX does burn through gas pretty fast then it may not be the car for me since this well be my daily driver. I'll be sure to check out some of the other cars you mentioned.

Thank you.

Mediocrity
06-10-2005, 02:19 PM
those who have turbo'd miatas have said it was almost like the engine was built to be turbo'd.

IcebergMan
06-10-2005, 03:20 PM
Okay, thanks. What do you guys think of the Infiniti G20? I've been looking at it more and I kind of like it now. Which would you say is a better performer, the Miata or G20? Which would you say is a better daily driver, the Miata or G20? Which will be easier to get to run 13's?

Thank you.

91300zxtt
06-10-2005, 03:29 PM
Miata has better handling. G20 is more unique as not alot of ppl have them. G20 is a better daily i believe as well, some will say otherwise.

go on g20.net and search around and see what ppl are doin

dampachi
06-11-2005, 11:27 AM
VR6s aren't V6s. The "R" stands for "reinen" which means "inline" in german. It's a "V inline 6". Or, less confusing..it's a slant 6. 1.8T is what you want. With a chip and a few bolt ons it can see low 14s/high 13s. VR6s are pretty slow unless you put some serious mods into them.

IcebergMan
06-12-2005, 02:44 AM
Thanks guys. I've been looking at the Infiniti G20's, Nissan 200SX's, Nissan Sentra's, and a few other cars. Out of these which would you recommend? Are there any cars that I didn't mention that I should look at?

Thanks.

CassiesMan
06-12-2005, 12:41 PM
What are the "few other cars"?

IcebergMan
06-12-2005, 03:14 PM
I was just messing around with the idea of these and was many thinking about the other 3 that I mentioned but:

- Honda Del Sol
- Honda Prelude VTEC
- Honda CRX
- 90's Toyota Celica
- Chevrolet Cavalier

The other ones that I mentioned would be better though because they can take an SR20DET, right? I just would like to know which would be the cheapest to get into the low 13's reliably?

dampachi
06-12-2005, 11:38 PM
I was just messing around with the idea of these and was many thinking about the other 3 that I mentioned but:

- Honda Del Sol
- Honda Prelude VTEC
- Honda CRX
- 90's Toyota Celica
- Chevrolet Cavalier

The other ones that I mentioned would be better though because they can take an SR20DET, right? I just would like to know which would be the cheapest to get into the low 13's reliably?

None of those will cheaply/reliably run 13s. You're very mislead.

91300zxtt
06-13-2005, 01:18 AM
None of those will cheaply/reliably run 13s. You're very mislead.

Early 90's Celica will. Alltracs are fast, boost controller and other minor upgrades, will run 13's. As for the others, 13's are highly unlikely Iceberg unless you do some sort of a swap or big turbo kit.

dampachi
06-13-2005, 01:25 AM
I forgot to add the word "low". None of those cars will cheaply/reliably run LOW 13s.

drftk1d
06-13-2005, 11:09 AM
cheaply AND reliably run low 13s? you need something like a LT1.

drftk1d
06-13-2005, 11:14 AM
i just realized after reading both threads:

you need something with good gas mileage and reliably and cheaply runs 13s.... yeah. good luck.

its like that old saying, well you already know how it goes.

IcebergMan
06-13-2005, 12:58 PM
Well, it doesn't have to run low 13's, just 13's. Anyways, I was talking over at Honda-Tech.com and they said that I could get a CRX to run 13's reliably for roughly $2000-$4000, here's the thread.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1277059

dampachi
06-13-2005, 01:00 PM
Good gas mileage..reliable..cheap..runs low 13s. God damn. You tell ME where I can find this car.

IcebergMan
06-13-2005, 01:03 PM
Even low 14's would be fine. And 20-25ish MPG is fine for me.

CassiesMan
06-13-2005, 01:59 PM
First off, you want a car that can get great miliage, runs low 13s, is fairly reliable? Well, you could get an E46 ///M3.

Oh wait, you dont have the money. So you could always go with a used late model Trans Am.

But you alo want a car that will be a good first car, and easy to drive, and proably light on insurance? Your asking for a car that doesn't exist. If this is your first real car to drive, I really recomend NOT getting a 13 or easy 13 second car. Its gonna kick you in the balls on insurance. It WILL NOT be novice freindly. You probably wont enjoy it at all. However, if you realy want a good fast cheap car, look into SRT-4s. Can be had for very cheap, run mid to low 14s stock, and can be made to run thirteens very very easy.

dampachi
06-13-2005, 02:07 PM
First off, you want a car that can get great miliage, runs low 13s, is fairly reliable? Well, you could get an E46 ///M3.

Oh wait, you dont have the money. So you could always go with a used late model Trans Am.

But you alo want a car that will be a good first car, and easy to drive, and proably light on insurance? Your asking for a car that doesn't exist. If this is your first real car to drive, I really recomend NOT getting a 13 or easy 13 second car. Its gonna kick you in the balls on insurance. It WILL NOT be novice freindly. You probably wont enjoy it at all. However, if you realy want a good fast cheap car, look into SRT-4s. Can be had for very cheap, run mid to low 14s stock, and can be made to run thirteens very very easy.

SRT-4s have a huge gap in what they can run. They're 13s capable stock..but noobs see high 14s. I've actually seen a guy struggle to break 14s in one. 2.7 60's own'd him.

CassiesMan
06-13-2005, 02:11 PM
Yeah, with the SRT-4s, you gotta be able to launch to go fast. I'm just going on capabilities, I saw one with a 15.2 timeslip.

IcebergMan
06-13-2005, 05:33 PM
Okay, thanks. I'll look into the SRT-4. I actually would kind of like a car that depends a bit on experience as I think it would be a good car to learn on. I would actually have to rely more on skill than anything else, which is what I like. I don't like depending on things much (Except for myself).

Edit:Really stupid question but roughly how much should I expect to pay for a SRT-4 in good condition?

drftk1d
06-13-2005, 08:44 PM
20k

tha_new_guy
06-14-2005, 01:42 AM
Dodge Omni GLH!

-You get TORBO!!!11!
-You get decent insurance
-you get a sickass sleeper
-damn, i dunno about the mileage

Well think of the Omni GLH as an SRT-4 from about 15 years ago.

drftk1d
06-14-2005, 01:06 PM
get a turbo dodge caravan, they own

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