The Scion Debut

Article written by Bryce Bernard [aerovec.com (http://www.aerovec.com)].
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Perhaps the biggest news since Lexus, Toyota announced last week, at the New York International Auto Show, the coming of its newest brand creation; Scion. No, it’s not a new sci-fi character for Star Wars. Its Toyota’s new product line aimed at those of us who are turning in their tighty-whiteys for boxers.

Scion is the second phase of a master plan to tackle the youth market, which Toyota hasn’t seen much of in recent years. Its first phase, code-named Genesis, was responsible for a new wave of youth oriented vehicles such as the Celica and Echo. Did it help? You bet it did. The average age of the Celica buyer was reduced to a mere 35 years old. Not bad considering it was once a few years over the hill. The third and final phase is the manufacturing of the Scion product line.

Two Scion vehicles were on display at the New York auto show. The very Japanese designed bbX (Black Box Concept) will be one of two vehicles available for our garages in June of 03’. The bbX first made its debut at the Detroit Auto show as a Toyota; little did we know it was a testing ground for Scion’s new brew.

New for the New York auto show, was the ccX, or Concept Coupe Crossover. This 2dr hatch featured a two-panel glass sunroof that exposed nearly the entire roof of the car when opened. If that isn’t enough, you can retract the rear vertical panel into the bumper to create an open air cargo bed. The probability of seeing this feature on the production model is slim however. It’s too bad because a couple of mountain bikes in the back seemed a good fit. http://www.aerovec.com/article_images/39/a2_animated.gif

Design is well executed. The ccX sets itself apart from Toyota and Lexus in its own fashion. Sweeping impressions along the side match that of the sloping roofline with a complimentary symbiance. Design strength seems focused over the front wheels, then looses interest as it flows to the back. Large vertical taillights along the C pillars let the world know when the ccX wants to stop. 18” 5-star split alloy wheels wrapped in 225/45/R18 rubber finalize the package.
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Feeling blue? If not, step inside the ccX and you will. The interior makes it seem as if you’re driving an iMac. Aluminum accents throw that performance feel at you. Carpet flooring is a thing of the past. Only a waterproof material composed of metals and rubber stand between you and a quick cleaning job. Four drain plugs make it that much simpler.

The ccX carries with it a 2.4-liter Four-Cylinder, 16-Valve, DOHC. The number of ponies is being held in the stable for now, but be assured the 2.4 won’t underpower the 2,810lb ccX. Fumes are expelled via a handsome inset dual exhaust. Only a four-speed automatic ECT transmission is available for both the ccX and bbX. I don’t know about you, but I like my hot dog with a manual.

All Scion vehicles will be sold as fully equipped mono-spec models. But fear not. As with youth trends, Scion vehicles can be modified with your own personal touches. After all, personality is key to the Scion lifestyle.

How much you ask? Scion assures us that both the bbX and ccX can be had for “considerably less than $18,000.”

Happy driving.

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Hmm I've never seen that before ... but i'm afraid this would ruin toyota... if those are the same pepole who made :apuke: echo and made a famous sports car with many rally traditions a POS fwd car then i don't think they'll last long... anyway , only time will tell...

Toyota has decided to equip America's youth with more bloated semi-SUVs. After all, they're cool, aren't they? Yeah, best idea ever: give the kids vehicles that are too big for them to handle, since their parents have prepared them so poorly and left them even more inept than the previous generation at driving. At least it's not too heavy, so stopping it should be easier. If it transcends the SUV's typical low-tech trappings and gas-guzzling appetite, I might not be so annoyed. But I'm warning you, Toyota, you're just asking to be put right next to Honda on my list. God help us all. :smoker2:

The concept is good, but the execution is flawed. I have little doubt that they will sell...just not to the right people. Why can't a maker be brave these days and come out with a low, sleek, manual tranny compact for the youth instead of all these tall skinny automatic cars that are better for old people that can't duck into low cars?

i think that toyota is taking a good bet that they will sell... the bbx is already on sale in Japan and it has revolutionized(?) the market there. EVeryone likes it.

i think scion will do good in the us .. specially with the import racing scene so huge

That awfall thing looks like my toaster!!
And Japan is a complete diferent car market than North America, in Japan the top selling vehicles are those tiny minicars with less than 1.0 liters and 50HP, so lets obvious that kind of comparatives please.
cheers :alien2:

I honestly think it will be popular like APC is Popular

only teens and people with no taste will like them, unless they come out with something along the lines of the Mark II or the Supra TT I will not take them seriously

Originally posted by Sadiztik
I honestly think it will be popular like APC is Popular

only teens and people with no taste will like them, unless they come out with something along the lines of the Mark II or the Supra TT I will not take them seriously

What´s APC??

Have you noticed the front looks like the one in the Echo? :aug2:

looks like an even more screwed up matrix

american products company?

whatss wrong w/the matrix

i think its an alright car - just overcladded and oversized and it looks like scion is takin all of the bad features and making them worse

This looks like a pure 16-year old chick car, I wouldn't touch this thing.:flipa:

My message to Toyota- think harder:rolleyes:

Ugh....

omg whats wrong with you people thats a niceass car :flipa:

I just read that there will be three Scion cars.The Bbx,CCX and one other.Anybody know anything about the 3rd model?It's supposed to debut at the LA Auto show on January 4th.

What's a nice ass car? The price might be nice ass. I certenly see the ass, but i don't know about the nice!:finger:

Yeah the suck suck X! j/k;)

It is a nice car Demon, there arn't very many people who know about that car is what it is.

I think it's ugly as hell!
They will probably sell a million of them.

They will probably sell a million of them

Probably...were is the speedometer and all of your other gauges located?

WHAT????

Well, I don't Have any idea what you mean.
What I'm saying is that wile I, and perhaps most of the people on this
board, don't like it.
There are a huge number of people out there, who's taste is only in there mouth.

:confused: What are you talking about?

my guages are on my dash,
I still don't know what you are trying to say.
If you didn't understand what my last post said, I will put in
more simple terms.
The scion is UGLY, and if you like it you like ugly things.
You are probably one of the people who would buy the pontiac aztec.

Talking about where the Dash Gauges are in this Car.http://www.automotiveforums.com/img/scion/4.jpg

People, this is only a "concept" car... more than likely the production model will be an Echo with a camper shell welded on. All that interior jazz will become grey plastic... So stop worrying ;)

:p j/k

Im not b/c i would never buy the car. ;)

Originally posted by DMC12
People, this is only a "concept" car... more than likely the production model will be an Echo with a camper shell welded on. All that interior jazz will become grey plastic... So stop worrying ;)

:p j/k

The actual cars were introduced at Detroit and Los Angeles in January. The Scion xA is based on the Japanese Toyota ist (only somehow not as attractive) and the Scion xB, which is based on the Toyota Beatbox and quite similar to the Scion bbx concept. There will be a third model.

Now I'm confused... the photos that Igor posted are of the PRODUCTION model? If so, I'm putting a deposit down after work today:D

???? I feel sick now trying to get everyone what im trying to say.

The bbX is a lot smaller than I thought it would be.

under 18000? good here's 5 bucks..........

Originally posted by DMC12
Now I'm confused... the photos that Igor posted are of the PRODUCTION model? If so, I'm putting a deposit down after work today:D

Even Igor can be wrong. Those pictures are of the ccX concept car, not a production vehicle.

It doesn't look as bad as some of you say;
Reminds me a 'lil of the Renault Clio, & the boxier one like those old BMWs, or Golfs.

golf? it doesn't look anything like a golf.

Originally posted by SolTheHoelessPimp
golf? it doesn't look anything like a golf.
The old ones...
ie.
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The production Scions are available now... and I must say that they are nowhere near as cool as the concept. Boring and overpriced is more like it. The Scion I looked at was $14000 and had no radio, no hub caps and manual everything. Why can't they just produce the concept & get it over with? Why these constant disappointments?

After perusing their website (which I really didn't like for some reason), I've come to the conclusion that Toyota is really ashamed of the engines they're putting in these things. I spent about fifteen minutes at the site without finding a single word on the engine. There was mention of "performance upgrades" like a cold-air intake (probably the extent of it), but the items themselves I never found. My guess is they threw in the cheapest four-banger they could come up with. To minimize costs, I would assume that they would use a motor already in production. A 1ZZ-FE wouldn't be so bad...

At least they sell them with manual transmissions. That might be enough to convince me to test drive one (just to add to my knowledge base on these things).

BTW, anybody notice the "choice of three different wheel cover styles"??? :cwm27:

i've heard the scions will go only have a price in the low to mid teens. i was wondering if they will be at toyota dealerships in iowa? the owner of are ford dealership recently bought toyota and with the rebates are ford/toyota dealer gives i could probably buy a scion for under ten grand brand new.

Originally posted by fordjay16
i've heard the scions will go only have a price in the low to mid teens. i was wondering if they will be at toyota dealerships in iowa? the owner of are ford dealership recently bought toyota and with the rebates are ford/toyota dealer gives i could probably buy a scion for under ten grand brand new.

No and no.

Scion vehicles won't be offered in Iowa until next year some time. And just because other vehicles are offered with rebates, don't assume that all vehicles get them. Scions are new and selling fairly well. Because of this, rebates will probably not be offered. On 2004 Toyota models, only the Corolla currently has rebates (that those are only $150).

Originally posted by DMC12
The production Scions are available now... and I must say that they are nowhere near as cool as the concept. Boring and overpriced is more like it. The Scion I looked at was $14000 and had no radio, no hub caps and manual everything. Why can't they just produce the concept & get it over with? Why these constant disappointments?


Hmmm... this is interesting. They come standard with A/C, power windows, PDLs, power mirrors, Pioneer CD player with MP3 & Satellite with 6-spkr system and even hubcaps!!

Umnmm... are you sure you were looking at a Scion? They are the ugly ones. Maybe you were looking at a VW Golf? <grin>

Darren

Check out www.scionlife.com.

lol you are all soooo funny...those are safty measures they do that alot here in mi. they install the wheelcovers',centercaps,stereo(if it's in demand)etc. upon purchase so people can't come into dealers in the middle of the night and jack the hubbie's or perhaps the stereo just thought i might clear this up:biggrin: :biggrin2:

No and no.

Scion vehicles won't be offered in Iowa until next year some time. And just because other vehicles are offered with rebates, don't assume that all vehicles get them. Scions are new and selling fairly well. Because of this, rebates will probably not be offered. On 2004 Toyota models, only the Corolla currently has rebates (that those are only $150).

And how about you go die? Golf > j00 > Scion

God, even the MK1 Golfs had 90 Horse Power, thats almost up to par with the 108 Horse Power Scion engines. Sad isn't it?