10" or 12" subs???

I just bought a OCTANE-R 15.0:1 amp and I am now looking for 2 x subs to install in a sealed enclosure in my 93 Honda Civic hatchback. I listen to rap and rock so I’m looking for boom and punch in a SQ or SQL set up. And I was wondering about the Phoenix Gold Xenon subs.

So question is….in a hatchback for rap and rock music, should I install a pair of 10” or 12” subs, and what subs would match my requirements based on a 1000W x 1 @ 2 ohms amplifier. Thanks for you advice in advance.

You want a pair of 500rms single 4ohm or dual 2ohm subs, there are a bunch of options. I would personally go with a pair of 12s because I believe a pair of 10's is a huge waste of money unless you're dealing with incredibly tight space requirements (which you aren't with a hatch). A pair of med-high output 12's in a nice sealed box should do you well. What kind of budget are you dealing with?

My tastes, I like a good high end 10" driver. I personally like how they behave when properly put in a system. So, I'd recomend 2-10"s in a ported box firing towards the rear glass or 2 12's facing the same way but in a sealed box. Something like this would look awsome painted to match the car. http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/94610steves_box_006.jpg

yeah, poncho still htinks there is a huge SQ difference between good 10's and 15's....

would you consider a single sub setup?

a single SX 12 from www.reaudio.com would work well for rap and rock.. and dont worry about SPL. im sure one 12 is louder than a lot of dual sub setups youve heard

pair of SE 12s would work nicely as well.. although for either RE product you would have to order the other VC config they offer.

sound splinter rl-p 12s

IDMAX 12s..

there are a bunch of subs that would work well.. but whats your budget?

those PG subs are pretty good too from what ive heard

also, nice car man

2 Ohms not one!!!! I'd call up RE and have them make you a dual 4 ohms SX 15. It would be loud as hell and still sound pretty good in a low tuned ported box.

although for either RE product you would have to order the other VC config they offer.



im on top of things haha

2 Ohms not one!!!! I'd call up RE and have them make you a dual 4 ohms SX 15. It would be loud as hell and still sound pretty good in a low tuned ported box.
ported is for fags









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sealing an SX is for fags :p

hah

Thanks for all your input. I don't really want to spend more than $450 for the pair of subs. I am going to build a false floor set up, so subs would be positioned straight up....if this makes a difference in what I should get?

ported is for fags









:)

Sealed is for pussies who can't take it LOUD!

Sealed is for pussies who can't take it LOUD!

Sealed is for SQueers...

NG

nah, sealed is for the uber-sexy sound masters


so, $225 for a 500rms single 4ohm or dual 2ohm sub and you listen to rap and rock. Well for rock sealed will be better, and for rap ported will be better. I would recommend getting a pair of 12's to keep the displacement up and going sealed, then if you don't think the output or low end is strong enough for you then you can go ported with it. You would end up wasting about $35 for the sealed box if it came to that, but at least you would know you ended up with the right choice.

As for the subs, you have a few choices, something like an ascendant avalanche, image dynamics idq, etc

Why not a 15..... your paying almost double for 1/5 more displacement.

Ported and tuned low = best for my ears for most music...
sealed is for people who like to waste energy with an inefficent enclsore when similar results can be had from an enclsore twice as efficent... :P

Why not a 15..... your paying almost double for 1/5 more displacement.
that works too, and a $450 15 should perform quite a bit better than a pair of $225 10s or 12s

sealed is for people who like to waste energy with an inefficent enclsore when similar results can be had from an enclsore twice as efficent... :P
lol, similar results my ass ;)

I won't get into that though

sealed is for people who like to waste energy with an inefficent enclsore when similar results can be had from an enclsore twice as efficent... :P
It's my energy. I'll waste it if i want :iceslolan

similar as in a flat responce....We arent talking about the fact ported is louder...but anyway im now a TL whore...

lol ported flat UMMMMMM NO.... but I like my bass bottom heavy so it works for me.

get two of the new alpine type R 12"s, i haven't heard it in a car myself (heard it in the booth at bestbuy, sounded good), but since it should be an improvement from the 04's it should be pretty good

Okay, for the Xenons, the 10" Xenons are 450 watts RMS (Phoenix Gold told me they are a little under-rated). The 12" Xenons are 500 watts RMS (again they said a little underrated). So 2 10" Xenons is 900 RMS, and 2 12" Xenons is 1000 watts RMS. You'll want to get the DVC2ohm subs, to run 2 of them @ 2 ohms for that amp. You'll want to run the voice coils on each sub in series, and then run the 2 in parrell to keep the end load @ the amp @ 2 ohms for the 2 DVC2ohm subs. Remember that amp IS NOT 1 ohm stable, so don't get 4ohmDVC ones.

Now, for the box size. The recommended box size 10" Xenon subs, for a sealed box, require a 1.6 cubic ft box each, so thats 1.6 * 2, which 3.2 cubic ft total. The 12" Xenons require a massive 2.2 cubic ft box each, or a huge 4.4 cubic ft box for the 2 of them. You can techincally make it a little smaller, since Phoenix Gold lists "SPL and "Music" box sizes, but they will even tell you they recommend the bigger box size (which I listed for each, it's under the "musical" listing) to the smaller one. Everyone in the tech deptartment I have spoken with recommends the box sizes I listed. Those sizes Include Driver displacement.

I personally say the 2 10" inch, as the recommend box size for 2 12' is a little big. The Xenons put ou a lot, so don't underestimate 2 10"DVC Xenons. Remember,nce ou want 2 subs, you want DVC2ohm subs for that amp.

................recommended box size 10" Xenon subs, for a sealed box, require a 1.6 cubic ft box each, so thats 1.6 * 2, which 3.2 cubic ft total. The 12" Xenons require a massive 2.2 cubic ft box each, or a huge 4.4 cubic ft box for the 2 of them................


Holy cat poop bat chick, that's a hunk of realestate for sealed enclosures. You sure that's what they recomend? The average for all the subs I sell are around 1.25 sealed for a 10 and 1.5 for a 12! Some require as low as .45 cu/ft for SPL!

Holy cat poop bat chick, that's a hunk of realestate for sealed enclosures. You sure that's what they recomend? The average for all the subs I sell are around 1.25 sealed for a 10 and 1.5 for a 12! Some require as low as .45 cu/ft for SPL!

they have an incredibly high Qts, I'd say a box size that big is completely necessary. Those are practically IB subs

Oooooooohhhhhhhh

Let me tell you, i have a '94 red hatchback, almost exactly like yours... i have two 12" pioneers, 4 channel, with only a 400 watt amp... they blow my car out of the water, on average volume i can feel the hair on my head shake.

Holy cat poop bat chick, that's a hunk of realestate for sealed enclosures. You sure that's what they recomend? The average for all the subs I sell are around 1.25 sealed for a 10 and 1.5 for a 12! Some require as low as .45 cu/ft for SPL!

Oh, I'm entirely sure that's there recommnded box size. I have a set of 10" VC 4 ohm Xenons, those numbers are directly off of their spec sheet that came with it. There was a typ-o n the sheet though. The 10" DVC 2 ohm also has a recommneded box size of 1.6 for usuall, no the .85 they listed. I have an older set before they corrected the typo.

As I said, that's the "musical" recommndation, but even Phoenix Gold will tell you if you call the tech deptartment they recommend the "Musical" box size, not the smaller SPL box size listing.

Now to put it in Prespective, the Phoenix Gold DVC 2 ohm 12" Octane-ZR subs (350rms each) require a 1.0 cubic foot box as the musical listing, so not all PG subs require a box that big, just the Xenons. As sr20de4evr eluded to, the way the Xenons are designed requires a big box.