6x9 Comparison

Im getting some new ones as a graduation present, to replace my Clarions that seem to have shit for bass response, especially low end.

Anyway...which of these would you pick from. Im kinda stuck.


ALPINE SPR-694A 6 x 9 TYPE R

INFINITY KAPPA 692.5i 6x9 2 way

PIONEER TS-D901P PREMIER 6X9 2-WAY REV


I figured theyre probably all fairly nice, and I have an Alpine CDA-9827 so the signal should be clean for any of them. Im guessing those Pioneers will have more bass than the other ones, but the Alpines will be really clear and the Infinitys will respond best. Give me some input on what you think.

depending on where you want to install them. I have a piar of audiobahn 6X9's in my pickup in a box in the bck seat and they sound liek subs no lie i have a lot more tuning that i need to do to get them to sound perfect but they suprise me and every one that i have listen to them. The down side to this is that they need to be in a box with a set volume other wise they have shit for bass response.

I think you may need to get an amp on any speakers unless you build an enclusure for them. I haven't had any experience with any of those, but what you may be looking for is a midbass driver or whatever they're called.

Im looking for quality. I will have a 12" sub, so Im not extremely worried about how big the bass will be, I just want it to be able to handle my listening volume.

well, if you're going off deck power, anything aftermarket is going to distort/clip long before you reach their rated RMS value. This is because the internal amp in your deck just can't provide enough clean power to the speakers to get the volume level you're looking for. That's why I was saying you may need an amp for the speakers, like something rated 50 to 100 watts rms per channel. That will get the clarity and volume I think you're looking for.

If you really are looking for quality, make an MDF baffle and put 6.5's in, instead of 6X9's. Circular speakers do a much better job reproducing sound than ovals... just a suggestion.

Yeah undercover is right round speakers produce sound so much better than oval speakers. Thats why a 4x6 plate is better than a 4x6 speaker. Out of the ones you have listed i would say infinity but you could invest in a set of mb quarts, so much better than infinity. As far as the 2 6x9's spunding like a set of subs theres a website i cant remember it where a guy made what they call a snail shell enclosure with 2 6.5" speakers and they are supposed to sound like a set of 12's. If any one knows the website post it because i wanted to show someone the video's. I used to have some walmart jensens(first car, worked at arbys, and didnt give a shit) hooked them up to a profile ca600 put it at about 3/4 power sounded like a 15 but they lasted for like 15 min before they fried. If i where you take the advice from one of the people that know car audio in here, they arent like everyone else recomending something because they see every rapper running around with it like its the best thing on the planet IE(audiobahn, sony, mtx and so forth). They actually know what there talking about.

well, if you're going off deck power, anything aftermarket is going to distort/clip long before you reach their rated RMS value. This is because the internal amp in your deck just can't provide enough clean power to the speakers to get the volume level you're looking for. That's why I was saying you may need an amp for the speakers, like something rated 50 to 100 watts rms per channel. That will get the clarity and volume I think you're looking for.

Tis true!

If you really are looking for quality, make an MDF baffle and put 6.5's in, instead of 6X9's. Circular speakers do a much better job reproducing sound than ovals... just a suggestion.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

NG

i've heard all those speakers before, i've owned 2 of them

the alpines put out alot of bass, and run pretty good off head unit power, the tweets sound nice and aren't harsh

the infinities lack bass, midbass, and have harsh highs, i hated them

the pioneers are good, but also lack bass, the tweeters are SMOOTH tho

Thanks...thats what I needed!

I also wonder why the stock speakers that come in first gen. Stratus' and shit have so much bass, with or without the premium sound amp under the seat. Im quite sure those are Infinitys. Sound pretty nice to me in my friends for being run by a simple Pioneer deck.

If you really are looking for quality, make an MDF baffle and put 6.5's in, instead of 6X9's. Circular speakers do a much better job reproducing sound than ovals... just a suggestion.

That's just a rumor that's going on in these forums. The cone shape has little to do with how well it reproduces sound. The big part of the sucess is how the speakers are installed and to what.

If the oval vs. round speaker was correct, then all of those odd shaped subs wouldn't hold a candle to conventional round subs. There are retangular and square subs that work very well. Also, there are some round subs that suck.

Again, everything is dependant on the method of install which includes the surround or enclosure. That's how companies like BOSE can make simple 4" speakers sound almost as rich as a 10" driver.

take a 6.5" and a 6X9 from the same company, same series, and properly install it free air in the rear deck of a car, let me know which one sounds the best peckerdick...

take a 6.5" and a 6X9 from the same company, same series, and properly install it free air in the rear deck of a car, let me know which one sounds the best peckerdick...

Yup!

The oval speaker will distort easier than the round speaker...that's just the nature of the speaker. As volume goes up, the oval speaker will begin to distort at an earlier time...because it's oval.

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take a 6.5" and a 6X9 from the same company, same series, and properly install it free air in the rear deck of a car, let me know which one sounds the best peckerdick...
OK spunkjuice, done it and will state the 6x9 have a much better frequency curve and sound much deeper than a smaller 6.5 counterpart. Obviously if you do your so called test AND the motor structure is exactly the same (which it won't be) the 6x9 will clip before the 6.5. Hell even people with an ass for a brain (yes, I mean you) know that simple physics come into play here. Oh shit man, I think I am losing your masturbating mind again. What I mean is the physics relating to the cone areas. Obviously the 6.5 will have a much smaller mass to move compared to the 6x9 so obviously those will seem to clip less. We studied sound waves and speaker cone shapes in Physics back in college. We never found any hard facts that cone shape directly caused any sort of distortion or clipping. It was always directly related to the motor structure and mounting techniques.

Today, not too many companies make 6x9's like they did in the 80's. Pyle (no not the cheapo company of today) was a very nice USA made system. They had these HUGE 6x9's that had motor structures bigger than many 15" woofers of today with magnets about 7" in diameter. They were crisp and clean. They were great to use for rear fill and many times, didn't need subwoofers. That all changed with carmakers though. Today, since they are making doors thinner and most with small rear package trays, putting even real small 6x9's is almost unheard of anymore. Now, you see almost nothing but 5.25",6", and 6.5".

So yeah, give me an old car say a '73 Trans Am and I'll load the rear tray full of 6x9's anytime over 6.5's any day. So PMS'ngPunkspank, think again before spouting regurgitated shit you take as valid truth. I've got plenty more schooling and experience than you have being a rope licker. :lol2:

I never said that it was IMPOSSIBLE for 6X9's to sound good, there are a few good sets of 6X9's out there, but there a FAR more good 6.5s out there.

Quite frankly, I don't know as much about physics as you, but I'm not talking in the realm of physical possibilities, I'm talking about real world applications, and in real world applications, with speakers this guy will have access to, round speakers will give him better smoother sound, IMO. (I added that on so you can't chew my ass if I'm completely wrong).

So you win Sanchoslutty, you super scientist Directed whore.... :rolleyes:

OK spunkjuice, done it and will state the 6x9 have a much better frequency curve and sound much deeper than a smaller 6.5 counterpart. Obviously if you do your so called test AND the motor structure is exactly the same (which it won't be) the 6x9 will clip before the 6.5. Hell even people with an ass for a brain (yes, I mean you) know that simple physics come into play here. Oh shit man, I think I am losing your masturbating mind again. What I mean is the physics relating to the cone areas. Obviously the 6.5 will have a much smaller mass to move compared to the 6x9 so obviously those will seem to clip less. We studied sound waves and speaker cone shapes in Physics back in college. We never found any hard facts that cone shape directly caused any sort of distortion or clipping. It was always directly related to the motor structure and mounting techniques.

Today, not too many companies make 6x9's like they did in the 80's. Pyle (no not the cheapo company of today) was a very nice USA made system. They had these HUGE 6x9's that had motor structures bigger than many 15" woofers of today with magnets about 7" in diameter. They were crisp and clean. They were great to use for rear fill and many times, didn't need subwoofers. That all changed with carmakers though. Today, since they are making doors thinner and most with small rear package trays, putting even real small 6x9's is almost unheard of anymore. Now, you see almost nothing but 5.25",6", and 6.5".

So yeah, give me an old car say a '73 Trans Am and I'll load the rear tray full of 6x9's anytime over 6.5's any day. So PMS'ngPunkspank, think again before spouting regurgitated shit you take as valid truth. I've got plenty more schooling and experience than you have being a rope licker. :lol2:


Are you like 12? I thought you were older than you're acting! Guess not. I welcome you to stop by any day, and as I've said before...I'll take pleasure in schooling your ass in EVERY aspect of the 12v world. You're a clueless "dealer" who doesn't know about physics or actual motor topology or design of car audio, you prolly just read those CATCHY DEI slogans and descriptions and use them all over the place. OH, and I wonder where you got the "regurgitate" from...yeah...that was ME too...think of what YOU'RE doing.

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I never said that it was IMPOSSIBLE for 6X9's to sound good, there are a few good sets of 6X9's out there, but there a FAR more good 6.5s out there.

Quite frankly, I don't know as much about physics as you, but I'm not talking in the realm of physical possibilities, I'm talking about real world applications, and in real world applications, with speakers this guy will have access to, round speakers will give him better smoother sound, IMO. (I added that on so you can't chew my ass if I'm completely wrong).

So you win Sanchoslutty, you super scientist Directed whore.... :rolleyes:

Yeah, well I will agree that there isn't too many nice 6x9's out there anymore. Also, when there are, people flip at the prices. I just finally sold my last set of PPI 6x9's that were to retail for $299 for the pair! Obviously you could get decent 6.5's for that price. These went to a guy with a custom '67 Nova so it worked great for him. He was thinking of getting a subwoofer installed until I was done. I hooked up a 4 channel amp to it. These 6x9's are actually not too far off of componets in that they have external passive crossovers. So with an active crossover and the amp, I was able to tune it exactly the way it needed to be.

i don't know a whole lot about this kind of stuff, but i do know that the 6X9s at walmart get a LOT louder and put out WAY MORE bass than any 6.5 they have on display.

i don't know a whole lot about this kind of stuff, but i do know that the 6X9s at walmart get a LOT louder and put out WAY MORE bass than any 6.5 they have on display.

It's fucking walmart douche monkey...

NG

PS: Poncho, I STILL encourage you to stop by anytime :)

um, my 6x9's sound sexy, and are my current subwoofers. i did put on my my firends 6.5 components in my left side and it clipped slightly higher than the 6x9, according to the oscilliscope we where using. @ 1000hz it clipped @ 89% volume, the 6x9 clipped @ 85%, but killed the 6.5 in the bass department, it didnt sound as good w/ the high, but thats most likly coming from them only have a internal passive crossover, if they have one, and the 6.5's having an external crossover.

my 6x9's are currently my subwoofers. lpf @ 275hz, and they sound pretty good. most people think i have a 10" in the trunk.

um, my 6x9's sound sexy, and are my current subwoofers. i did put on my my firends 6.5 components in my left side and it clipped slightly higher than the 6x9, according to the oscilliscope we where using. @ 1000hz it clipped @ 89% volume, the 6x9 clipped @ 85%, but killed the 6.5 in the bass department, it didnt sound as good w/ the high, but thats most likly coming from them only have a internal passive crossover, if they have one, and the 6.5's having an external crossover.

my 6x9's are currently my subwoofers. lpf @ 275hz, and they sound pretty good. most people think i have a 10" in the trunk.

Clueless...

nG

Wow for one 6.5 speakers are not bass speakers by any means they can make bass but they are for midbass. You can make 4 inch spekaers make bass but they sound horrible. Yeah ive heard 6x9's that pound but they have such horrible distortion even at low volume. If you think walmart is the place to buy anything for stereo equipment then you need some help, the only thing worth buying is the install kits but there still pieces of shit. Yeah there are alot of opinions on this and imo oval speakers in general distort more than round ones. My uncles whos used to be real big into car audio (JL Audio mainly) said that JL would refuse to make oval speakers but they know people who buy there stuff would want them other wise they would refuse to make it. Im basing this on what ive been told and i dont some audio shop owner with a big ego telling me im wrong on my opinion because he owns the shop and that makes him the all knowing god of car audio no specific names given.

It's fucking walmart douche monkey...

NG

PS: Poncho, I STILL encourage you to stop by anytime :)
Dude, would you at least PM me your address? I will be in Columbus all weekend working on a custom classic car.

Dude, would you at least PM me your address? I will be in Columbus all weekend working on a custom classic car.

516 Batavia Pike
Cincinnati, OH 45244

:)

NG

ng, I thought you were in Columbus. You can come up to me if you want. I don't have the time to waste going to Cinci. I should be in Cinci later this summer though.

ng, I thought you were in Columbus. You can come up to me if you want. I don't have the time to waste going to Cinci. I should be in Cinci later this summer though.

No, I'm in Cincinnati...and I've always been in Cincinnati! ;)

Mike is from Columbus tho. It depends on when you'll be there...but it's not like I make regular trips to columbus....


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