Ok i'm pretty close to getting a s13 but it has a bit of rust in the hatch, plus holes where a wing used to be. So my options are to either grab another one from a junk yard, or buy a CF hatch and get it patined over along with the rest of the car(flat black :naughty: ). I'm really leaning towards the CF since i'll have enough for one, but i want to save as much as possible. So do you guys know any websites to find one? I know importfan.com has it for $650, but thats without glass, and i have know idea how much a rear fiberglass window would set me back. any help would be appreciated

damn i dunno but i wouldnt paint it cf with black looks great

true but i plan on gettin a CF oem hood too cuz that cuz the stock one has a lil rust on it too. so i dont wanna roll around town with a cf hood and hatch on, and people thinking i'm fast and tryin to race me

cf hatch? i think that's a good investment. The current one is pretty heavy. I remember when my hatch shocks blew out... and i had to manually hold it up each time... if i could get rid of most of that weight... the rear would be pretty damn light. (plus i have not sound systems or anything...)

You can use the stock glass, just get a place to transplant it, it'll only cost you for new sealant and labor.

you'd be surprised what % of weight the glass is compared to the frame and hatch.. but a cf hatch would for sure help..

yea its really the glass that weighs it down. I think enjuku racing has a cf hatch on there site. Didnt mynismo just order one, you may want to hit him up. I wouldnt paint it either, especially not flat black. if they try to race you who cares!!!! you dont have to race. And if your used to racing your rs eclipse i gauarntee you race your 240 anyways. So all in all dont be affraid of what people think and how they will react. I mean if you got rims, kids try to race you too. So does that mean your not getting rims?? Prolly not. You gotta do what you gotta do, might as well show it off if you have it too. A cf hood will do quiet well, i think the 240 stock hood is a boat.

lol you got me there about racing the eclipse and so on, guess your right, so maybe i won't paint over it, maybe i will, not sure yet. Don't know if i said already but i was planning gettin a OEM cf hood since the stock one is rusted a bit. But what about the whole plexiglass thing for the rear hatch? I already knew it wouldnt be much of a difference if i kept the glass in there.

Well for now, use the stock glass, it'll be much cheaper and then when you have some spare cash, get a lexan window, but I think your main objective now is to get rid of the rusty parts, not lose the weight.

I'd like to kill 2 birds with one stone. I have about $2k to play around with to get rid of the rust and weight at the same time. dont know how i forgot about lexan windows...

Ok i looked on intensepower.com, and they had the hatch for $638. I also saw they had an acrylic window for $425. so what do you guys know about acrylic? i don't know a damn thing about it.

I know of some race windows that they look foggy and stuff like that, it won't look like real glass.

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$425 for acrylic glass, $638 for the CF hatch.

Dude, that's the Intense Power website! You are just repeating what XevenSkyline said!

OMG, I cant read today, stupid me. Maybe cause of all the test going on right now in school, my bad.

lol... i thought you were supposed to Read then Post on forums?

I am special lol, I have the special rights :).

yea i think thats what set up i'm gonna go for, the one from Intense Power. I just wanted to know just how effective that acrylic will be in losing weight and how tough it is. gonna see if yahoo has any answers for me....

acrylic is waaaaaaaay lighter than glass. I know im a big fish tank guy. Acrylic fishtanks are like the mac daddy of fishtanks. Its basically like going from a OEM hood to carbon fiber. It looks like glass unless you bend it.....acrylic will do just fine. Although you wont want to scratch it, but they do make scratch removal kits. The acrylic may be different though i dont know, because with fishtanks it has to be water friendly so you know, the water wont get contaminated. I dont know if they would treat it different or not?? But as far as weight, its definantly a whole lot lighter.

alright cool, sounds like a plan. thanks for the info

acrylic is waaaaaaaay lighter than glass. I know im a big fish tank guy. Acrylic fishtanks are like the mac daddy of fishtanks.

FO SHO!1!!!!111!! Seriously though, i had a huge ass 80gal fish tank and i sold the glass for it and bought an acrylic setup, unbelievably lighter, no comparission...

i like having a fish tank in my room cause when im w/ a girl and the lights are off the light from the tank sets the mood

i just got rid of my 40 gallon in my room, and all of my rainbow fish in it...i never thought of using it for that though lol

that was ur mistake. u would be making panties wet world wide w/ the fish tank in the room

sorry haven't been here in a few days..

yes, i just bought a vis hatch. much better than importfan's or enjuku's because this has the third brake light and wiper hole shaved!

bought it directly from vis. www.visracing.com -- they are the cheapest at 575/shipped. yes, that cheap.

im using stock glass because not only is acrylic not shiny, it doesn't weigh much more than glass. there is a lot of misinformation out there. why would you pay $400+ for a piece of acrylic that gets scratched up and looks like booty when it only saves you about 5 lbs? just use stock glass. im trying to find a local place to transplant it off my old rusty hatch, i checked with one place so far and they said they have to break it, but i think they were just giving me bull.

i can have a pic of it up tomorrow (its too late right now and im tired). the thing looks nice. i have the same idea going with the hatch/hood combo, i should have a hood coming in a few weeks along with some koukis. time to rice up my ride ;)

only 5 pounds on the glass vs. acrylic? because i have seen some pretty thin sheets of some sort of lexan or something that looked tight but i dont know if thats what they use. i thought it would be more weight savings though. if its only 5 pounds then its definitely not worth buying. that 5 pounds is like the difference in my weight driving home from the store with alcohol and me leaving the next day after puking so much.

yea, its reall not much. acrylic would come out to something like 12-14 lbs and the glass wouldn't be more than 20, max.

of course i will weigh the glass when its removed to check if im right.

um, that vis website didn't have a hatch for the 240

yeah i couldn't find it either but it was probably in the catalog

couldnt find the hatch

call them to order it. they definitely have it, because i already have it sitting in my garage :)

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that is so sick, especially on your car.

one ? for you are you gonna do hood pins on your cf hood? that would be another nice little extra

Interesting.....make sure to post up the weight differences once you get the whole thing together. Also make sure to get that rear window weighed, I'm gonna email Intense Power about what the approx. weight is on that acrylic window.

i may get pins, we'll see. i think im keeping stock tails, for some reason, maybe im on crack........... but i like the usdm tails. weird.

as far as i know now you have to order a new rear glass piece.... the stock ones are glued in and impossible to get out.

i know im late, but that carbon fiber hatch looks fucking awesome. I would love to see some pics of it on your 240.

So the holes being shaved is better? I think they just cut corners and cheaped out by not putting the holes in. But I guess that's why it's cheaper.

Edit: Yeah, the hatch looks good, but I was wondering about the glass, can't you break your current rear glass (by "accident")and have the insurance pay for a new window and install it on the CF hatch?

I think there is some way of removing the glass without needing to replace it, maybe heating it up will enable you to get the glass off? Dont know though.
Ohh and that hatch is badass, it will looks really cool with CF hood. That would be pretty cool though to paint it up and make a sleeper 240sx, but some people don't want to hide their upgrades, I am not one them :).

So the holes being shaved is better? I think they just cut corners and cheaped out by not putting the holes in. But I guess that's why it's cheaper.

Edit: Yeah, the hatch looks good, but I was wondering about the glass, can't you break your current rear glass (by "accident")and have the insurance pay for a new window and install it on the CF hatch?
first of all,.... i wouldn't do that. i don't like to steal from people.


2nd... it aint much to cut a hole...... they have molded carbon fiber throughout the whole sides!! they didn't cut corners. it aint cheaper by $225 because they didn't cut one hole in it........ it's absolutely ludacris to say something like that. they have a "molded" wiper spot in order to cut out if you wish, if you actually looked at the pictures. it takes way more work to do that than to cut a hole.

they didn't make a third brake light because they look piss butt ugly!

I'm not talking about a 50 grand claim here, I'm talking a few hundreds bucks that you won't have to spend, and also, hopefully you'll get pulled over for not having a 3rd brake light.

I'm not talking about a 50 grand claim here, I'm talking a few hundreds bucks that you won't have to spend, and also, hopefully you'll get pulled over for not having a 3rd brake light.
in ohio you only need two functioning brake lights. trust me i looked, i don't want to get pulled over any more than you do.






im working on getting the stock glass to fit..... pricing new from glass company is $450 + installation... the glass is really really expensive. i have all the trim off, just going to leave and get a hot electric knife and the stock glass should come out. so the stock glass does come out but companies dont want to do it due to the liability of it breaking. just be careful...

Rear glass is more expensive than the windshield due to it being made in smaller quanities as people don't break it as often as they do the windshield.
And I think the rear glass will come off with heat, as i said before, so your plan will most likely work.

Rear glass is more expensive than the windshield due to it being made in smaller quanities as people don't break it as often as they do the windshield.
And I think the rear glass will come off with heat, as i said before, so your plan will most likely work.
ok, i spent an hour or so getting all the trim off the back window, its in there better than you think. all that is left is a lil space just big enough to get a knife into. yes, i think it needs to be heated, and electric. i tried with a standard knife and small torch and it aint working, ill be calling a glass guy tomorrow.

other than that, the hatch is in. i highly doubt it weighs more than 10 lbs, probably closer to 8 lbs. the glass probably weighs not more than 20 lbs.... so a comparison of the cf hatch vs. stock hatch is roughly 10 lbs vs. 50 lbs, so that's a good 40 lbs lost right there.

it looks damn good even without the glass in, lol. ill have pics up later. the hydraulic lifters are almost powerful enough to break the hatch if you aren't careful. they are lifting up with so much force, once it's unlashed and given a lil push it will fly up with force, this should change a good amount once i get the glass in.

fit is just about perfect, its a little off but its impossible to get it lined up right straight from vis. you can use weights and etc. in order to get it lined up right, i heard the enjuku one does the same thing.

you have to modify the latch on the back so that one of the screws is all the way up, and one is all the way down... at least without the glass.... in order for it to have enough force to be pushed down with a click. otherwise it will not click (soooo light).

ill have pics up soon, stay tuned. hopefully ill have the glass in tomorrow afternoon.

i like the look so much ill probably be ordering a cf hood sooner than expected.

nice!
Like I said I wasn't sure as I only removed a broken windshield, wich is way easier as you don't need to worry about it getting cracked. Once removed weight the glass and the old hatch please, that will be pretty interesting to know.
Edit: or weight the hatch right now and when the glass is removed, then it would take less time and won't have to transport the glass an extra time.

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looks much better in person... my camera sucks. i think im ordering the hood tomorrow.

so no kouki tail lights for you?

i just noticed..... is there crap in my muffler?

lol, gotta check that out tomorrow.

ill prolly order kouki's within a couple weeks. i decided im doing a full kouki conversion eventually so i'll need them anyways... i cant pass on koukis.

looks good, although having the hatch not line up perfectly would bug the hell out of me, just cuz i'm a perfectionist sometimes. otherwise it looks nice.

ill get it to fit, glass isn't in yet and it should make quite a difference. ill play around with it and make it fit right, im a perfectionist too.

type X tails will look hot on there...

well of course any aftermarket thing wont line up perfectly. Just takes some tweaking. SHit most the factory shit doesnt line up perfectly now a days when buying new shit. But yea your car should look sweet. Take pics when you get the tails on with the hatch. Thats badass bro.

type X tails will look hot on there...

Actually, they are Kouki tailights, not Type X tail lights.

no, your wrong. Kouki's came in more than just one version, the ones he wants are probably the round type X ones...

The round ones came in all Kouki models. That was part of the come back, along with the new front end.

i dont think so, because not too long ago i said to a guy (here on AF) "you should get the round kouki tails" and then everyone on AF bitched at me saying they were type X tails (the round ones) and not just regular kouki's. THen there was also a pic of the different kouki models with different options, ill try and find the thread. Im searching for it now..

i cant find it, i always thought that there were more than 1 kind of kouki tails, maybe i was seeing zenki's or chuki's and getting them confused...idk, we all know what we are talking about right? the round ones?

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yeah i know the difference between them, but i thought that i was told there was more than one type of kouki. IDK, the bottom ones look pimp

both those cars have ricer wings..

All wings are ricer wings, and I posted the pictures because you asked if every knew what we were talking about, now they do, and there is one type of Kouki tails, bottom pic.

ok to end this
THEY ARE KOUKI LIGHTS
all late model 180sx came with the same tails and they had a body colered middle piece that said 180sx

there was an option available that replaced the middle piece with a black CF look piece that said RPS13 instead this option was available on ALL MODELS

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its hard to see because the middle car is red but you can tell they have the double circles plus the orange turn signal in the middle of them

I thought the CF piece was an aftermarket thing.

well sort of but in japan you could have it from the factory
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and more options (man i wish U.S. dealers would offer stuff like this!)

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Those 4 fog lights look stupid.

nissan japan always gave TONS and TONS of customizable options from the factory, something the U.S. has not and will never do. its all personal preference. and if you don't know, 9/10 japanese cars have absolutely huge wings on them. i love it :) and they help out aerodynamically when you are doing 150mph racing someone.

type x tails are no different than kouki tails. same thing. but they are called kouki's, not type x's. the cf addon is avialable for another $150.

i ordered the hood and lights. my damn impatient self cannot decide between the two, nor wait. i took the car for a drive today still windowless and i think im starting to feel a difference in the weight and handling.

that diff will be gone once you put the window back in so enjoy it now. lol

that diff will be gone once you put the window back in so enjoy it now. lol
no it wont, window only weighs about 20 lbs. i got my hood on the way, that should take off another solid 40-50 lbs :biggrin: so what i gain when i put the window back in, ill lose right back with the hood and then some.

vis carbon rules!

9/10 japanese cars have absolutely huge wings on them. i love it :) and they help out aerodynamically when you are doing 150mph racing someone.

Only if they come in contact with the air stream...spoilers found on cars like the nsx, zonda, supra, f50, and lotus espirit are tall enough and angled correctly to provide down force at high speeds...

Slapping on some giant piece of plastic on the back of the car will quite often do nothing or next-to-nothing for high-speed stability.

No offense, but that's like saying that cheap ass body kits offer improved aerodynamics, you need to have wind tunnel testing and a kit created specifically for that car to offer much of any improvements over the oem aerodynamics...like the mugen rsx kit which costs thousands compared to cheaply made fiberglass pieces that can be had for a few hundred...they may offer a little better airflow around the car because the front bumper/lip is slightly lower, but they in no way direct the flow in any predetermined way.

On a side note, kouki tails and your cf trunk lid make me want to get an s13. Nice work mynismo :P

i hate you my nismo...your practically doing everything im planning on doing to my car...kouki tails carbon front and rear, cf rps13 center...ect ect

yea i like the yashio factory carbon hood. It just looks damn good. But its also 1 grand so......

just sealed up valve cover again, set timing more exact, then went to start it up and heard a big BANG. thought the engine exploded. turned out i left the big socket on the main crank pulley nut :eek: oops. flew up and nailed the hood hard, actually making a 1/2" gash upwards and removing the paint on top of the hood.

this is about 30 minutes after i ordered a vis hood :lol: i guess it was just meant to be, haha.

thanks for the comments, the car is turning out exactly how i want it.... loads and loads of extra work i didn't even think of, but its turning out good. ill post pics up hopefully friday of everything in and installed, should look sick.

cf hatch is installed with window, finally!

the glass guy was able to take it out of old hatch (eagle auto glass in cleveland, great job dude!)

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sorry i wasn't able to weigh the glass, in a hurry to get it in before rain/snow came (as in pictures). holding it, im guessing it weighs slightly more than the cf hatch, so probably around 16-18 lbs. not much. the majority of the weight is definitely in the hatch.

like i said, there's a lot of misinformation out there..... mostly fuckin 10 year old kids that say whatever they want without any experience to do with it at all.

so this upgrade is just as worthy of an upgrade as the cf hood is ............ just be prepared to do quite a bit of work to get the window in! im guessing this is THE weight difference when comparing hatches to coupes..... so a solid 30 lbs.

Looks like you got it to fit straight.

Looks nice! I am guessing that the hatch looked misaligned without the window because it did not have weight on it, now it looks perfect! Good job.

thanks

yea, its still a little off but like i said, im a perfectionist and ill make it fit... it must have been hard for vis to make this because i don't think they accounted for the hyrdaulic lifters. both of the lifters push up on the hatch... and its lighter than the stock hatch. without the lifters i think it'd fit perfect. just a lil more tweaking should take care of it..

Maybe there are some lifters from other cars that push with a smaller force, that would make the installation more "complete". Just my 2c.

PS. It would be pimp to put a hydrolic lifter, press a button and it lifts! It's going to be heavier (pump needed) and less practical IMO, but it would be pimp.

that would be cool....... but unpractical for racing needs, which is why everyone has a cf hatch in the first place :) maybe someone can do that with a stock hatcher..

Thats kind of what I ment, it would be something for show, not something that will make you faster.