Does the older generation 300ZX pose any competition against the new 350z? I have heard that it could achieve better performance (I know that it looks better to some degree).

yah i think so you can modd a z31 to overcome a 350z (z33) just matters how much money you have any car can pose a competition if your wallet is deep enough ..

ide like to have either a 350z or g35 an ill keep my z31 lol

z31 can smoke a stock 350 z for under 1000 gauruntee
3" manderel exaust all parts 200
3" cone 35
boost controller (external spring or pressure spring and hard ware 25
complete ignition upgrade 200
trick fuel pressure regulator 30
oil cooler and hardware 100
that aught to be enough horse to put it even (ok a bit passed but hey)
so go and spend the rest on a pair of drag radials for the back so you can hook off the line lol


easily put the z31 really cheaply can smoke 350z

z31 can smoke a stock 350 z for under 1000 gauruntee
3" manderel exaust all parts 200
3" cone 35
boost controller (external spring or pressure spring and hard ware 25
complete ignition upgrade 200
trick fuel pressure regulator 30
oil cooler and hardware 100
that aught to be enough horse to put it even (ok a bit passed but hey)
so go and spend the rest on a pair of drag radials for the back so you can hook off the line lol


easily put the z31 really cheaply can smoke 350z

You'll never get a Z31 to smoke a Z33 for under $1000.
First off the weight is about the same, but the 350Z is starting with 300HP. N/A and the Z31turbo 200HP. Your trying to tell me you'll make over 300HP with the mods you've mentioned? No way.
I have a 350Z with a $425 125HP spray on it, giving me 425HP with water/alky injection. Care to try and smoke it?

Thanx Zgringo for the immediate correction...I am also aware that the 300zx has 4 wheel steering which the new one does not?

well as far as a older Z beating a newer Z, it depends on the year of the Z.

If its a older 240Z or 260Z, it is possible to get them to the horsepower to weight ratio to beat a Z33 (350Z). For less than the total cost of a new 350Z. Now where things get fuzzy is when you go into the later models of the Z, like the ZX serries, 280ZX, 300ZX(Z31), 300ZX(Z32). All of them were a bit heavier and had a lower horsepower to weight ratio than any of the previous Zs, even though they were faster. If you want to start with the Z32TT Chasis, then yes you can easily smoke a 350Z, even the anviresery addition, with very little money into it. A 300ZXTT had the most potential out of any car that Nissan released here in the US of A. Its only major draw back was its substantial weight. But this also helped in other aspects of performance for that Z, it mainly kept it on the ground at speed.

I personally like ALL Z cars, but I love the Z32 the best for its short wide stance and agressive lines, even by todays standards, it was a car WAY ahead of its time, and in some cases it still is. It was a sad day for me to hear about the end of the Z32. but I was sure Nissan would bring a new better Z car out in a few years, it only took them 6 years to do it. I like the new Z becuase if you ask me it gets back to the Z car harritige more, it is a pure sports car, not a luxury sports car. Its quick in its stock form, it agile, and its good looking. There are things I dont like about it but I wont go into that they dont matter.

I hope I didnt go off on to much of a rant, but I LOVE Z cars, I am obsessed with them, I dream of them, I stare at them, I even talk about them non-stop. And the funny thing is I know I am not alone with this addiction, there are hundreds, if not thousands of other Z car owners who are as bad as me.

Does the older generation 300ZX pose any competition against the new 350z? I have heard that it could achieve better performance (I know that it looks better to some degree).

a stock 90-96 300ZX TT is right on par with 350Z's stock for stock. so yes a 90-96 300ZX TT will smoke a 350Z with very very light modifications. as everyone knows, unless you use forced induction on the 350Z or like Zgringo was saying, nitrous, you will not see very phenominal gains.

the 300ZXTT can take you to 400hp at Stage III. so yes, to answer your question, it can acheive way better performance for alot less money if you consider the prices of the cars. and even if you dont, the only way to get up there in HP cheaply on a 350Z is to use nitrous. you can mod a TT well in to the 450-500bhp on stock internals and turbos.

Thanx Zgringo for the immediate correction...I am also aware that the 300zx has 4 wheel steering which the new one does not?

yes that is true...but the HICAS system was not needed on the 350Z due to it being lighter all round but especially up front. the 350Z can acheive the same or better handling characterisitcs as the Z32 without the HICAS steering.

K3 your absolutely right but all things being equal, N/A for N/A. Now if you want to take a beefed Z32TT against a stock Z33, all things aren't equal. That would be like me taking my street legal Z32 against a stock Vette or Viper. Not even a race, but a smear. But you take a beefed Vette or Viper, then I'll have to break out the big iron.
Remember, what ever you do to a pre-350Z, you can do to a 350, plus you'll have weight and cubic inches in your favor.

K3 your absolutely right but all things being equal, N/A for N/A. Now if you want to take a beefed Z32TT against a stock Z33, all things aren't equal. That would be like me taking my street legal Z32 against a stock Vette or Viper. Not even a race, but a smear. But you take a beefed Vette or Viper, then I'll have to break out the big iron.
Remember, what ever you do to a pre-350Z, you can do to a 350, plus you'll have weight and cubic inches in your favor.

yeah but you cant take the inferior of one car and take the best of another car and compare it. that wouldnt be fair either...thats why when i attempt to compare 2 cars that were not meant to compete with each other, i take the best of both. and i know you can force induct a 350Z but at what costs. in general, the Z32TT is more mod friendly for the average tuner. in the long run the 350Z will take it because of advanced technology and bigger displacement, no argument there.

bottom line: both are excellent cars, nothing against the 350Z but id rather have a Z32TT. in my eyes, it is more mod friendly as of right now and easier to take to a generous amount of HP without spending all that much money for the BANG.

I have a 350Z with a $425 125HP spray on it, giving me 425HP with water/alky injection. Care to try and smoke it?

No problem. Meet me on Highway 123 south of Mt. Rainer. It's about a 40 mile run start to finish. You might want to bring a spare bottle. :cool:

No problem. Meet me on Highway 123 south of Mt. Rainer. It's about a 40 mile run start to finish. You might want to bring a spare bottle. :cool:
Nope I'll bring my 450Z. I think it would be more fun for both of us and freak out a few wondering what kinda engine it had.

K3, Stephenp was talking about smoking a 350Z with a Z31. Read his mod post.
I have no doubts a stage3 Z32TT would smoke a 350Z.

This is being broadcast live from the beautiful Aladdin Hotel in down town Las Vegas.

ok i got a stock z 31 and pauid under 1000 for it and i gauruntee that if i put the 1000 into my z ill smoke a 350 z stock you think im kidding pay for the bearings and ill smoke yoiu and i have way less them the 1000 intop mihne and hw much did yuors cost???????? so pay for my bearings and well go title for title ,lol youll be smoked lol and dont forget that weight reductuion dont cost a thing lol ill tear myourt doors off just pay for the bearings i dare you lol itll be funny come on and give me the same water alkly inj lol i get about 16 psi boost then lol and dont forget its the distance lol wait id be topped out lol whats your top??? i only get probably about lkike 140 for that long lol wanna runn them lol

ok i got a stock z 31 and pauid under 1000 for it and i gauruntee that if i put the 1000 into my z ill smoke a 350 z stock you think im kidding pay for the bearings and ill smoke yoiu and i have way less them the 1000 intop mihne and hw much did yuors cost???????? so pay for my bearings and well go title for title ,lol youll be smoked lol and dont forget that weight reductuion dont cost a thing lol ill tear myourt doors off just pay for the bearings i dare you lol itll be funny come on and give me the same water alkly inj lol i get about 16 psi boost then lol and dont forget its the distance lol wait id be topped out lol whats your top??? i only get probably about lkike 140 for that long lol wanna runn them lol
Wow you really have a fast car..I don't know how fast mine is..the speedometer only goes to 190MPH. :evillol:

Right now as we speak were running our new VH45DE powered 350Z. We qualified at 6.84@201.17.

Aired live from the beautiful Aladdin Hotel in downtown Las Vegas.

K3, Stephenp was talking about smoking a 350Z with a Z31. Read his mod post.
I have no doubts a stage3 Z32TT would smoke a 350Z.

This is being broadcast live from the beautiful Aladdin Hotel in down town Las Vages.

yeah i know, but i dont think that the thread starter was trying to compare those 2.

anyways, a Z31 with $1000 can possibly beat a 350Z but you will have to decrease the life of the VG30ET so much by doing it. you will have to boost the full 15psi and hope that it makes atleast a 1/4 mile. and if you take that same $1000 and spend it on the 350Z i dont think the Z31 could do it.

Z31 is an awesome car but it didnt come with anything close to the 300hp mark that the Z32TT and 350Z are putting down. you have to make up the 100hp and then add another 100hp for what the Z32 and Z33 can do with another $1000.

ill let you guys settle it on the track but stephenp, ya better ahve a buddy drive with you to the race because your gonna need a ride home when you hand over the title to Al. j/k :lol:

now wait i also threw in the price deal there
let me spend as much as he does for the 350z then we can let them spend 1000
and as you pointed out it is horsy impaired and if the 15 psi was used with intake exhaust, weight reduction, removal of the mechanicle fan, power steering(nobody else likes it but me but hey i guess nobody else does but its driver though right), and ac unit, and several tuning divices(chip for fuel temp fuel pressure trick and a few others that i choose not to use for it being a daily driver) the car will be at approx 300 flywheel at approx 11 psi and for the other 4 do the math
and i was talking of the stock 350z '
and the life of the car at that level should not be decreased very much at all other than things like the fuel system due to it trying to pump the extra fuel that i told it that it had to
and yeah like you said pony impaired
want it to exceed 400 spend 140 aat the junkyard and drop some na pistons in it and advance the timing a few and still under 1000 i just have to use the tires that are on ti oh no lol but id also still have like 100 to go out the 1000 so lets buy a cheap pump thats high pressure from a hardware store and some line and make a water inj system lol

Well Albert good luck at Las Vagas Speedway. I still am wondering what class you run in.

and as for the top end yeah im limited to the top of the stock gears and im pretty sure itll do it in quite an easy sprint at that
ans sorry but personnly id rather drive a honda than the new 350 z for the simplew fact that it is drive by wire i am told please correct me if im wrong (hoipefully i am) they use a electric peice (similar to tps only it actually controles the throttle by this instead of the throttle controlling it as in no throttle cable but wires instead
doesnt sound too moder freindly just from noing that

Now all you Z32TT owners read Stephenp's post real close and learn.
Remove your power steering, mechanical fan, air conditioner, and install a eBay $4.95 resistor to trick your
Fuel temp. fuel pressure, raise your boost to 11 psi and you'll gain 100HP. Don't forget to remove your doors. I think if you removed the seats and sat on a orange crate you'd lose more weight too. But then if your going that far you might as well remove the hood, rear deck, all the glass. horn and without glass you won't need windshield wipers.
Now we're all set to do some serious racing. I should hire this guy to build my cars. You know how much I could save?

Hodo, yesterday wasn't a good day for alot of us. The track was real loose for the first 60' and everyone was going up in smoke. About 5 cars almost hit the wall. Lot's of engines smoked, and all the big boys trailered.
I broke 2 axles before 1st round. I think something is wrong with the rearend. Something out of aline with the housing.

Lol. I wdnt think the Z32TT drivers would be very happy getting rid of all those bits out of their cars and turn it into the most revolting bomb in the world. They wd probably fly out of the window with the speed. Hey, why not get rid of the Body and just leave the chasis so its like half the weight? ROFL!!!

yah i hate that drive by wire it completely sucks but tahst how all cars are gunna end up being well newer anyways..

yah i hate that drive by wire it completely sucks but tahst how all cars are gunna end up being well newer anyways..

Isn't it great what modern technology can come up with.

Now all you Z32TT owners read Stephenp's post real close and learn.
Remove your power steering, mechanical fan, air conditioner, and install a eBay $4.95 resistor to trick your
Fuel temp. fuel pressure, raise your boost to 11 psi and you'll gain 100HP. Don't forget to remove your doors. I think if you removed the seats and sat on a orange crate you'd lose more weight too. But then if your going that far you might as well remove the hood, rear deck, all the glass. horn and without glass you won't need windshield wipers.
Now we're all set to do some serious racing. I should hire this guy to build my cars. You know how much I could save?

Hodo, yesterday wasn't a good day for alot of us. The track was real loose for the first 60' and everyone was going up in smoke. About 5 cars almost hit the wall. Lot's of engines smoked, and all the big boys trailered.
I broke 2 axles before 1st round. I think something is wrong with the rearend. Something out of aline with the housing.
so you doubt the gains??? and actually researched my own data and bought the quote chip at the local radioshack 5 for .99
but any way i do got racing buckets (the milk crate started to chafe my but its still a bit sore
and the glass actually i might end up putting in lexan and all that was for was the 1000 comment that i made you want a list of my mods???
its sorta nice since i havent spent all that much
and also the reason i stripped it out was the fact that its 50th ann. and i dont want to soil the shit
just trying to be able to drive her and not tear it up
actually going to do my 86 up so i can just have my 50th be totally rebuilt back to mint
dont forget the exhaust and intake and timming adjustment and running on 93 + booster
and beleive it or not the slicks weigh less than the stockers resulting in about a 3 to 5 hp gain to the ground
and what is it that is so hard to figure out about cheap performance did i ever say it was stylish???
well i guess beuty is in the eye of the beholder and if you think that you can get a better buget build up i wanna see your list....
didnt i say the ignition in there to
as so the timing can be advanced a bit more as in more power
so go dyno a stocker
put 3" manderel exhaust no cat no muffler
put a 3" cone filter(stainless steel)
put an externally mountewd spring to boost psi to 11
use a resister to trick comp. to think its running fuel that is 250 degrees
put msd blaster 2 coil on it with accell superstock wires on it
some good ol ngk
run 93 into it (make sure you got the new seals at 10 a set for the inj.
and thow in real octane booster not imitation
pull the fasn ac unit and pwr steering
put in a cooler 170 degree thermostat
put a new timing belt to assure timing
higher fuel pressure almost forgot my bad
then reset the timing on the dyno and tell me what the #'s increased by
bet its damn close
do all that and leave the ac, pwr steering, mechanicle fan, no coil,no ecu tricks, no cooler thermostat, no higher pressure of fuel, and run some octane boosted 93 and youll be puttin down approx 75 more than stock so if those mods domnt create 25 ill eat my own hat
so go to the dyno and start that missoin and i promise i will drive there and eat my hat
lol
no weak ass motors either

and dont forget that i also preffer no power steering its more preference than performance for that
what can i say im a freak lol
and actually i took the doors of my power wheels and theres no hood or fenders on it and also i put a tarp on there for the hatch and used seran wrap for all the windows and you were right that was alot of weight its fast as sin now i bet im runnin pretty low 18's in the quarter
i think it would be faster but the cling wrap keeps gettin in my eyes and i start to sufficate so i gotta slow down
so wanna race
lol
power wheel doors + seran wrap= real weight reduction

Top gear did a drag race against the Z32TT and the 350z in euro trim and the Z32 won marginally. I think it also had some 50k miles on the clock to the 350s 4000 or so.. Both cars were stock.

Drag racing isn't everything though, and I'm under the impression that the 350 would outshine the 300 stock for stock in handling.

Also, not to be disrespectful, but Stephen: will you please use some periods and commas?

Albert yea I watched parts of it on ESPN2, The track looked too loose. I didnt see a car get a good launch all day. Expecially out of the right lane everyone who Right in that lane had bad tire shake or ended up headed towards the center line. I would have judged the track to be worse by mid session, it looked like oilly glass untill the 1/8th mile.

So Albert what class do you run in and what car do you run? Who are your sponsors, and will you be at the Rockingham NC track anytime soon? I know the NHRA is in Bristol TN next week, or the week after. I have been tring to find a track schedual for the NHRA but they like to keep that stuff secret around here in NASCAR contry.

So Mr. Stephenp, You'd like to see a list of my budget mods. Very good, I'd be more than happy, plus I'll explain why it's done.

First off i'd remove the clutch fan and replace it with dual electric fans, being careful not to get fans with too high amp requirement so not to put a large load on the alternator an lose the power gain by going to electric fans.

Next i'd install a electric water pump using a 3 speed motor. Very large power gain if done right.

As for the exhaust I'd have a 2 1/2" system made at the local muffler shop as stright as humanly possible without any unnessary bends. Larger than 2 1/2" on a VG30DE engine and you lose power.

Now being underdrive pulleys are expensive, I'd go to the local junkyard and get some pulleys larger than the ones used on the accessories. Recovering some of the power it takes to drive them.

Now would be a good time to remove your drive shaft and take it to a machine shop that rebuild them and have the ends cut off and a one piece dravshaft made.

While your driveshaft is being built would be a good time to install a pop and clean your MAF.

Time to remove the computer and install a EPROM socket. With this being done I'll be able to use a 512k chip instead of the 256k chip and have a dual program ECU. One program for normal driving and the other for hi-performance. While playing with the programs on the ECU remove the top end and set the rev limit to 7,300RPM

Being I want a reliable street car I'd limit the boost to 14.7#, but for racing I'd have a 125 shot of spray, along with a DIY water/alky injection system.

As for the fuel pump on the Z, it's good up to 600HP, so why screw with it? Putting more fuel into the engine without more air just causes a rich condition and loss of power.

Now we have a engine in the 500HP range and well within the internal limits of the engine. Beyond this you'll need to upgrade the turbo's and tear into the engine and beef it up, along with some head work, pistons, cams and other mods you deem necessary to reach what your after.

Nows time to think about weight reduction. Less weight, better cornering and drag racing. Remove anything you can live without.
And while at it, would be a good time to think about wheels, brakes, suspension and tires in the future when funds allow upgrades.

As for octane booster, if it's the $3.99 stuff in the can, forget it. You'd have to dump a case of it in to make any change in your gas. But a gallon of toluene and be done with it.

And for your mechanic friend telling you to drop a Ford V8 in your car, it's time for you to look for another mechanic friend for advice. He don't know shit. The Ford engine is heaver than your engine. You have one of the best engines ever designed, and still modern by todays standard.
If you ever deside to swap a larger engine in your Z consider a VH45DE. 100lbs lighter than a VG30DE engine, stock about the same base HP as a TT engine, but alot more potential.

Step, What language do you speak? I keep trying to transalate your posts but I keep getting, "language error". My program needs to know what language you speak.

Hodo, It was one of the worse prepared tracks I've ever been on. Alot of the drivers we're really pissed off. I consider myself very lucky not making first round. I broke 2 right axles in pelim's without spray, and I had right lane in round 1. I would have owned part of the wall.
Below is a list of our schedule if we get our axle problem fixed. This is 2 weeks in a row with it.
Pro Mod class

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/8305/2005races1kz.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

hey Al do u know of any places that do work or sell dual program ECU's pretty cool ..

lol and yah i agree using that octane booster is useless and dont work worth unless u use a case if it im still anxious to use that toleune idea what site did u post a while back where it shows the mixture and all the other listings to boost octane.

cant wait ta see ya run im sure k3 and myself will be going out the the route 66 should be a good weekend ..

hey Al do u know of any places that do work or sell dual program ECU's pretty cool ..

lol and yah i agree using that octane booster is useless and dont work worth unless u use a case if it im still anxious to use that toleune idea what site did u post a while back where it shows the mixture and all the other listings to boost octane.

cant wait ta see ya run im sure k3 and myself will be going out the the route 66 should be a good weekend ..

yea im pretty excited to start heading to some local racing tracks and get in on the whole racing aspect of tuning cars. i wish we had some auto-X and road course racing around this area. we dont really have anything...

You'll be at PIR (aka SIR) July 22-24? I am SO there.

Jesus christ I better have my Z running by then...

yea im pretty excited to start heading to some local racing tracks and get in on the whole racing aspect of tuning cars. i wish we had some auto-X and road course racing around this area. we dont really have anything...


yah ide be interested in auto-x or road course racing if they had it around here that would be awesome... I cant wait till summertime or whenever when theres a all Z meet and nothing else nothing else would be more beautiful hurry up and get ur Z running lol

well did that cost under 1000 and the exhaust you lose power????
how the turbo allows enough back pressure to build the torque up ... and you actually say a pop charger as in a mushroom shaped filter right(thats what im told) and yeah i cleaned my maf my bad add a can of cleaner to the list and the nitrous 125 shot whats the cost????
dont forget under 1000 grand total not anything that costs under 1000
i dint screw with the fuel pump that was the pressure
and didnt i mention the electric fan only i said remove the mechanicle fan in favor of the electric
and as for the under drive the alternator is already under a strain and the elec water pump hmm figured it was good enough my bad
dont forget im z31 already 1 peiice driveshaft you mean alluminum
you mean xylol and yeah that is what i meant i just was a ass and said the octane booster (never said it was a name brand just said real not imitation)
and the language is retard i thought we could all understand it that way
and the mechanic as i said i told him how it was too and didnt i post weight reduction and the seats were also in my price lol and the eprom socket can i get one for the z31????
and i just cut a wire to eliminmat my rev limiter although it didjnt work so i reconnected but also when i spun a bearing my car hit 7000rpm why???
and cant we work together instead of against
i spent less than 100 to get the fuel pressure up and the inj cycle longer duration
also i didnt notice any ignition upgrades.... dont want to advance the timing a bit for added horse?
and how did you get the boost past stock?
also do you have a z32????
what is the stock boost of one of them???
my buddie has a tt that is boosted to 15 psi.. hes got a bit of mods but my list is actualkly longer lol but his is pimp lookin mine is more tin canish lol
but anyway re read and tell me how different the posts are and also try and do it for under 1000 post your prices and also the exaust i put on also was as straight as possible it only spun in likw 12 circles then 11 90 degree bends and 3 180's not to mention i put a 3' length of 1 1\2" to make sure she was back pressured
lol yeah ok theres an advancement over stock
no 3" all manderal 1 90 1 3" hump and 2 45's and thats it a little loud so i put on a muffler
but to go all perfomance i got band clamps and shell slide right out and i can put a peice of straight right back

ZGringo, If I get the chance maybe I'll come to the race in Kent in a few months. Can you actually meet the drivers? Last time I was at SIR I was trying to get a 1/4 mile time for my Ramcharger. Rained out. Now I'll never know. Anywho,...I think it would be cool to put a face to the name. And Broke as F***, I didn't realize you were in the State. Know af anything going on with clubs or shows? Now that I bought this thing, I might as well be a little social.

One more thing on the 300zx vs 350Z. Both are great cars, but if I were to install a Rolls Royce aircraft engine on the back of my mountain bike,...I'd smoke both of 'em in the 1/4. :rofl:

ZGringo, If I get the chance maybe I'll come to the race in Kent in a few months. Can you actually meet the drivers?

One more thing on the 300zx vs 350Z. Both are great cars, but if I were to install a Rolls Royce aircraft engine on the back of my mountain bike,...I'd smoke both of 'em in the 1/4. :rofl:

Some tracks you have to have a pit pass to get into the pit area. Even the crews need them.
As for meeting the drivers, guess what? They wipe there ass the same way you do. If there busy between rounds I don't think you'll get them to talk much, but after the race kinda cool as thats when alot of crews hand out little mometto's.

I don't think your Rolls Royce aircraft engine idea well work to good, till you figure out how to solve the traction problem.
There use to be a guy named, Madman Potter. He raced motorcycles with BB Chevy's in them. Just never could get them to hookup.

I might make it to Bristol on the Apr29-May1. Not sure what my schedual looks like may have to double check.

to stephenp :
u asked why your car hit 7000 rpms.
well if u downshifted to far from like high in 5th to 2nd, or something of that sort the rev limter only kees u from exceding the limit manually, but it cant do jack for mechanical overreving. if u downshifted too far the mechanics will excede the set rev limit.
sux for u-- if u didnt downshift too far, im not sure, but if that is what you did -dont do stupid shit

no, im not that stupid. and if it was from a down shift and no power behind(unless actually lookin for the powerdownshift) of to which i wasnt downshifting actually from a rolling start, and started to powerslide and as i switched back to place a second patch on the first, (nice overlay i may add) i thought it sounded like it was overrevving as i let off the throttle and looked at the tach i noticed it was at 7000 rpms, i was like ahhh, and at the same time in the same instant i could feel the bearing fry (so i began to cry), and the mods are as listed above and exhaust wrap and thats about it

Wanna drift?

Old Sacramento 1 mile track, doing about 120MPH coming out of turn 4
http://img256.echo.cx/img256/2114/drifting38yj.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Bear Lake ice racing, Kinda slippery, but snow machines weren't invented yet, and was the best we had.
http://img256.echo.cx/img256/9617/drifting25hn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

This is how I learned to drift.

dude that in insanely awesome alot more dabgerous than conventional drifting lol

yeah i began by actually a fwd yeah
well it was a 92 saturn with my stripdown styling weight reduction
the back end of that car was so light id go like 80 around some 90 degree turns and the back would just slide out and id hold it out until id swing back for the next
gotta love those winding back hill roads
and the odd parrt is that even the old people who lived on the road would smile and wave as we went by shifting and spitting flames at them as they sit in there yard
and the funniest part of all was the only people who never incouraged this type of action was the people who were like about 16 to 22 or so and driving some peice of a terd that would probably fall apart at the suggested speed limits (as in the orange signs that are there with a (SUGGESTED speed limit)
you know the ones that if you arent going atleast 2 times it, it is because your mom is in the car

I took my Dad to work one day when he was late in my '32 Ford HiBoy roadster with a Arden Ford engine in it, and he never rode with me again till the day he died.

One of the funnest cars I had was when the Chevy dealer let us pull a mold of a new 62 Vette, and put it on a modified sprint car frame and run it in the late model circle burner races. The crowed went crazy to think we pulled a new Vette out there to do battle with the late model's.

A few years later we kinda did the same thing except built a Vette from a glass body we made with a BB Chevy engine and had kinda one of the first funny cars.

Whats crazy is the street Z I drive now would smoke a AA/F dragster from back then.

I remember the first time Don "Big Daddy" Garlic went 152MPH in 10.75s with his AA/F nitro burning rail. Unbeliveable any car could go that fast.

Whats even crazier is in 1957 Calvin Rice and me in 2 different streamliners set a bunch of FIA world records on the Salt Flats. My fastest speed was 181MPH. Guess what? My Z32 will do that any day of the week and then some.

pfft Z31 all the way lol naw i like all the z cars but i think i like the z31 and the 240z the most


Viva La Z