What is faster on a track? S7 vs C12-S 7.3


NvrLuVD
04-06-2005, 06:08 AM
What is faster on a track?

Saleen S7 or a
Pagani Zonda C12-S 7.3

What do you guys vote for?

http://www.fast-autos.net/pagani/paganizonda73.html
http://www.fast-autos.net/saleen/04saleens7.html

speeddemonGtV6
04-09-2005, 06:58 PM
hahaha u guys are geniuses... its obvious the zona is much faster then the saleen

NvrLuVD
04-11-2005, 05:21 AM
its obvious the zona is much faster then the saleen

Really? I didn't know that... damn... thanx.

TexasF355F1
04-19-2005, 02:27 PM
Yea, the Zonda will kill it.

jcsaleen
06-12-2005, 11:47 PM
S7 all the way. On the track the Zonda aint got a chance. The S7 has the edge with its body design an how good it is at self creating downforce. S7 faster gearing better numbers and more power. Not mention the experience. Pagani's been around maybe 4 years tops. Saleens 18 years of track experience were incorporated into this car. An 01 S7 it might have a prayer but an 04 no way in hell. FYI for all you the 04 isnt just putting out better Hp an Tq numbers :smooch:

Jaguar D-Type
08-17-2005, 09:12 PM
I'm not sure, but a new Saleen S7 Twin Turbo would be faster than the new 2005 Pagani Zonda F.

check the link

Saleen S7 and S7R (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=379893)

The Saleen S7R has won nearly 40 races around the world. It won its class (GTS) in the 2001 12 Hours of Sebring.

ricki camarillo
10-18-2005, 04:52 PM
I donīīt know certainly whose is faster....but even a blind man knows that the Zonda is a beautiful and fast car ...Zonda is awesome...s7 is just another "look likes" race car. s7 is not ugly, but is nothing beside the Zonda. (external design, I mean)
sorry if my english isnīt good enought

NewyorkKopter
04-07-2006, 03:50 PM
thatd be interesting because everyone knows the S7 makes a ridiculous amount of downforce, I think its more than the Enzo or definetly near it. Then again the Zonda F was able to get around Top Gear's track faster than the Enzo and MC12, so yea It'd be a hot race

jcsaleen
04-07-2006, 04:41 PM
Haven't seen you around latley.

DashingDeutschman
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
I think the Zonda would give it a run for its money in the corners though

jcsaleen
04-23-2006, 09:37 PM
I think it would have a better shot on the straits then corners.

NewyorkKopter
06-03-2006, 04:33 PM
Haven't seen you around latley.

Me? Because yea I got caught up with work and stuff. Although I must say, It feels good to be back.

jcsaleen
06-03-2006, 09:08 PM
Me? Because yea I got caught up with work and stuff. Although I must say, It feels good to be back.

Ya, Good to have some old members back for sure...

NewyorkKopter
06-04-2006, 12:17 PM
Thanks. As far the Zonda against the S7, the S7 makes twice as much downforce as the Enzo, and it does it without the Enzo's formula one inspired active aerodynamics. But then again the Zonda definetly makes sufficient downforce as well because they managed to make a racing version of it. Looking at the stats, they both make the same horsepower, both weigh the same, but the S7 has the edge in downforce and lateral acceleration(.99 vs .98), while the Zonda's got the edge in top speed and with its higher revving V12. So judging from this, in the corners it'd be the S7 with its downforce and acceleration, while in the straights it'd be the Zonda with its 220 mph top speed and silky smooth V12. So my guess it still that it would be close. btw, do you have any pics of the S7's chassis?

jcsaleen
06-04-2006, 02:52 PM
The S7 TT has supposedly topped out at 260 mph during testing. The regular 04 S7 I have no doubt could reach 220 easily. The zonda is a torque monster but it's redline is also around 8k (it's no sreamer). As far as weight the zonda is 50 lbs heavier then the S7. The regular o4 S7 is putting 575 hp an 580lbs of tq out. I have no doubt the S7 is the superior car around the track and in a straitline. The Zonda definetly was made for the track as you can tell just by it's shape. It's a rich guys cruiser with some growl. Fast through the straits thats really it. Most cars today unfortunely aren't designed for the track but good for a strait line an topend. Look at the veyron, Slr an even the koenigsegg. The C-GT still isn't a super hardore track car. Really the only ones that are, Are the Enzo, S7, Mc12 an the molser really.

2of9
06-05-2006, 11:00 PM
zonda's got it because im driving it! hahaha...but same driver in both cars, Zonda will win by a close match

NewyorkKopter
06-06-2006, 06:40 PM
Hey jc, I think you could put the Zonda in that list of more so track than straights-only cars. Because out of all of today's supercars, its the only one with a traditional big non-pop up rear wing. Also its bodywork has several major openings, especially the Zonda F which has new dual air exits at the front and dual air intakes at the rear. And then its also got a flat underbody along with a diffuser at the back. The rear wing, the increased number of openings, and the flat underbody all prove Pagani to be leaning towards the track performance side. Unlike the Koenigsegg which probably has the most conservative design of any supercar in order to preserve its .29 drag coffecient for its 240 mph top speed. Same goes for the Veyron, they only added scoops and openings if it needed them to run properly. And besides, the Zonda's got Group C racer styling so how could it not be track biased :biggrin:. Granted it may not have the S7's gaping air exits at the front and insane downforce, or the Enzo's Formula one style front spoiler and active aerodynamics, but because of the Zonda's wild shape and wings I'd say it was meant to be more of a track car rather than the usual straight line runner.

jcsaleen
06-06-2006, 10:43 PM
Hey jc, I think you could put the Zonda in that list of more so track than straights-only cars. Because out of all of today's supercars, its the only one with a traditional big non-pop up rear wing. Also its bodywork has several major openings, especially the Zonda F which has new dual air exits at the front and dual air intakes at the rear. And then its also got a flat underbody along with a diffuser at the back. The rear wing, the increased number of openings, and the flat underbody all prove Pagani to be leaning towards the track performance side. Unlike the Koenigsegg which probably has the most conservative design of any supercar in order to preserve its .29 drag coffecient for its 240 mph top speed. Same goes for the Veyron, they only added scoops and openings if it needed them to run properly. And besides, the Zonda's got Group C racer styling so how could it not be track biased :biggrin:. Granted it may not have the S7's gaping air exits at the front and insane downforce, or the Enzo's Formula one style front spoiler and active aerodynamics, but because of the Zonda's wild shape and wings I'd say it was meant to be more of a track car rather than the usual straight line runner.

All this is correct but on a real ompetitive track level the zonda's are nothing. I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but look at the Fia GT ars I've almost never even seen a zonda Monza (track edition) used an when they are they're numbers even in qualify'n aren't great.

NewyorkKopter
06-07-2006, 07:01 AM
yea thats true, I'm not saying Zondas are good track racing cars, but they're better than most road-going supercars on the track. I mean the Zonda F got around Top Gear's track quicker than an Enzo, and MC12. The Zonda may not have the track potential of the S7, but I'd still include it in the list of road legal track cars along with the S7, Enzo, and MC12. Only if Top Gear would test the S7...because I have a feeling it'll knock the CCX off the top.

jcsaleen
06-07-2006, 07:46 AM
I have a feeling the 04 N/a could do the job fine. The TT don't know about that though...

FOX1
11-25-2007, 01:53 AM
I have a feeling the 04 N/a could do the job fine. The TT don't know about that though...

Let us consider the Nuerburgring Nordschleife,
The first animal getting lower then 7 min is the Apollo Gumpert, then we will have the RUF CTR3 and the, if Christian will add some down force to his car, we will have the Koenigsegg. The Zonda only 4th and then the 2 american GT....Mosler and after Saleen.
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