Greetings room? i have noticed that one can get a 300zx but since i dont have one now why not ask something that could be good for future references? as one can understand if one gets an engine swap it could mean that the car can lose its soul of what it is, but does it count if it comes from the same company that made the car? i guess opinions could be different from different folks. in japan the q45 is called the cima/president, check out www.japanesevehicles.com , the j spec q45 seems to have a vh41de type engine (maybe good for saving gas) not sure if it would be worth it to transport one over here to get the hicas rear axle kit (is this possible to be installed in the non turbo models?) and the engine for the 300zx. about engine swaps since the vh45de was meant to use an automatic could that mean there would be reliability issues if used by the 300zx tt 5 speed tranny? for sure one can get an a-spec q45 for around 2-6k dollars but concerning the transmission i have noticed these codes

re5r01a=i have noticed that the skyline has used this type of engine as well as the 99 q45 (automatic transmission)

fs6r31a= 350z tranny. not to knock the new zs but i read that the 300zx tt tranny is a stronger transmission to manage high power. not sure if it would bolt on the vh45de though

rs5r30a=i have notice that this tranny is the 5 speed 300zx tt tranny code (and would need an adapter plate from what i have read)

re4r03a=this engine from what i have read is used in the 300zx tt auto tranny and 90-98 q45 auto tranny (all q45s automatic)

Re5r01a=i have notice that this is a 5 speed automatic that the 99 infiniti uses but did the skyline use this type of tranny as well?

fs5w7=if so could this tranny of the skyline gts of the rb20/25 engine gts-t (which is simular to the 300zx w/ different bellhousing) and could it bolt up to the vh45de? i also have noticed that this engine could be found on www.mckinneymotorsports.com as well as ebay

any comments would be appreciated
thanks again
street sailor

Well the easiest thing to do is to write Nissan cars technical division and ask in a manor much like you did with us and they may give you a answer this year. But the TT AT will mate up to the 45 engine. As for the going to a MT setup, as far as the engine is concerned it dont care what its attached to as long as it runs.

the weak point in the 350Z trans is the synchros, its a common problem nowadays in alot of cars, But it can be expensive to fix without a waranty. ((supposedly they may have beefed up the Z33 MT with the new one coming out, cant confirm this yet)) But this is also why I stick with ATs, they are SO much easier..... on so many levels to me, I am certified to work on both MTs and ATs, I perfer working on MTs just becuase they pay better, but ATs are pretty easy too, just dont lose the little balls............... That will drive you INSANE tring to get them back to where they belong.

yeah i would stick with the 300zx TT auto or manual tranny....those are going to be your best options and probably most reliable. the capability of these transmissions has already been tested and is known and they practically bolt right up to the VH45DE.

if you want a manual, order the adapter plate and call it a day. if you want an automatic just bolt it right up.

but i dont understand why they both will not bolt right up...can someone explain. they should be interchangeable. is it so the shifter will line up with the Z32 body???

The bellhousing for the VG30 was made for the automatic and standard. There's 2 different bellhousings. The bellhousing for the VH and VK was made for the same automatic as the VG30 uses but not the standard. You'll need a adaptor as K3 says to adapt the VH or VK to the standard transmission.
If you build the RE4R03A (the transmission used in the VG30, VH45, VH41 and some Nissan trucks) for racing and use a 9 1/2" torque and use a SAW shift kit, you'll have a very good transmission and it well handle in excess of 1,200HP and will up or down shift like a manuel but without a clutch.

The bellhousing for the VG30 was made for the automatic and standard. There's 2 different bellhousings. The bellhousing for the VH and VK was made for the same automatic as the VG30 uses but not the standard. You'll need a adaptor as K3 says to adapt the VH or VK to the standard transmission.
If you build the RE4R03A (the transmission used in the VG30, VH45, VH41 and some Nissan trucks) for racing and use a 9 1/2" torque and use a SAW shift kit, you'll have a very good transmission and it well handle in excess of 1,200HP and will up or down shift like a manuel but without a clutch.

but i dont understand why...

the automatic and manual transmission bolt right up to the VG30DE without a problem the same exact way. so if the automatic version bolts right up to the VH then process of elimination would conclude that the manual would bolt right up also. thats where i dont understand...if they are totally different bell housings then they both should not bolt right up to the VG, right??? because all of the VG30DE(TT) are the same correct???

maybe im just overthinking this whole situation...

OK lets try to make this simple.
The bellhousing is different for the automatic and standard. The bell housing for the VG and VH and different. So what we have is 3 different bellhousings. 1 for a VG30DE engine with a automatic transmission, 1 for a VG30DE with a standard 5 speed transmission and 1 for a VH45DE engine with a automatic transmission.
Now if you use the bellhousing for the VH, the only transmission that bellhousing was made for was the automatic, and if you use a automatic no problem. But to use a standard you'll have to use the VH45DE automatic bellhousing and a adaptor.

OK lets try to make this simple.
The bellhousing is different for the automatic and standard. The bell housing for the VG and VH and different. So what we have is 3 different bellhousings. 1 for a VG30DE engine with a automatic transmission, 1 for a VG30DE with a standard 5 speed transmission and 1 for a VH45DE engine with a automatic transmission.
Now if you use the bellhousing for the VH, the only transmission that bellhousing was made for was the automatic, and if you use a automatic no problem. But to use a standard you'll have to use the VH45DE automatic bellhousing and a adaptor.

yeah i understand that the bell housings are different...but if the manual and automatic VG30DE transmissions bolt up to the same engine (VG30DE) then the transmissions should be interchangeable. you see what i am saying????

for example, i have an automatic 2+2 N/A...but the TT 5-speed transmission i have will bolt right up to my N/A engine. thus, the transmissions are interchangeable...

now, the bell housing arent the same but they can be directly swapped.

now that same automatic out of my 2+2 will mate directly to a TT which means it would mate directly to the VH...so in a sense, the TT 5-speed will mate directly to the VH.

:smile: sounds interesting about the fact that the 300zx tt trannys are available for vh45de use, even though the skyline is overrated and rare in the us is it possible that a rwd skyline fs5w7 tranny can be hooked up next to the vh45de in a 300zx? with this like on ebay i saw one for 350 dollars? http://search.ebay.com/skyline-transmission_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 i believe i have seen the tt 300zx trannys for the same price, :eek: :cwm27: in some forums i have read that the rb25/20det tranny could be hooked up to non turbo 300zx engines but not the tt 300zx engines from the different bellhousings :banghead: but still the same technology transmission as the tt 300zx

am i missing anything? :eek7:
thanks again
streetsailr

OK, will make it real REAL simple.
We have a engine. It's a VG30DE. We have a transmission, it's a RE4R03A automatic. The only way we can get it to mate up to the VG30DE engine is to use a bellhousing made to mateup to the VG30DE engine and the RE4R03A automatic at the same time. Nissan builds this bellhousing. And it only works with the VG30DE engine and the RE4R03A automatic transmission.

Now we have a engine. It's a VG30DE. We have a 5 speed standard Z32 transmission. The only way we can get it to mate up to the VG30DE engine is to use a bellhousing made to mateup ti the VG30DE engine and the 5 speed standard transmission at the same time. Nissan builds this bellhousing. And it only works with the VG30DE engine and 5 speed standard transmission. It's different than the one for the automatic.

Now we have another engine. It's a VH45DE. We have a RE4R03A automatic transmission. The only way we can get this engine to mateup to this transmission is to use a bellhousing made to mateup to the engine and transmission at the same time. Nissan builds this bellhousing, so we don't have a problem.

Now we want to mateup a VH45DE to a 5 speed Z32 standard transmission. Now we have a problem. Nissan doesn't make a bellhousing to mateup the VH45DE to a standard transmission. What do we do?? Use a adaptor, and now we have converted the automatic VH45DE bellhousing to accept the 5 speed Z32 standard transmission.

We're talking about 3 totally different bellhousings, 2 different engines and 2 different transmissions

You can't bolt a standard transmission up to a automatic bellhousing or visa versa.
So what we have is a bellhousing for the VH45DE engine and the RE4R03A automatic transmission. The standard won't bolt up to it without a adaptor.

:smile: sounds interesting about the fact that the 300zx tt trannys are available for vh45de use, even though the skyline is overrated and rare in the us is it possible that a rwd skyline fs5w7 tranny can be hooked up next to the vh45de in a 300zx? with this like on ebay i saw one for 350 dollars? http://search.ebay.com/skyline-transmission_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 i believe i have seen the tt 300zx trannys for the same price, :eek: :cwm27: in some forums i have read that the rb25/20det tranny could be hooked up to non turbo 300zx engines but not the tt 300zx engines from the different bellhousings :banghead: but still the same technology transmission as the tt 300zx

am i missing anything? :eek7:
thanks again
streetsailr

Yea you are missing something. I'll tell you at the end of this post. Anything that can be hooked up to the 300ZXTT can be hooked up to the N/A.
Now you've seen the rare RWD Skyline FS5W7 transmission on eBay. Now where in Gods green earth are you going to get parts for your Skyline transmission when you need parts for this rare transmission. You could adapt a 1952 Studebaker 3 speed but where are you going to get parts?
I think I'll stick with the good 'ol Z32 transmissions thank you, and let those of you wanting to really go out in left field have at it.

i think street sailor has a point you arent listening to he says if a+b=c and a+d=c and e+b=c then doesnt e+d=c also
well the only reason i dont think it could is perhaps the turbo mounts perhaps the turbos wiould hit thwe bell housing??? if so then that is why e+d doesnt =c
sorry for the math lesson lol and
a=nonturbo
b=auto tranny
c=completed drivetrain
d=standard
e=bigger engine
and at any rate he does have a point its like the whole interchangable end of the deal

im gonna say theyll mount

the only trouble will be in the accessory mounting(ie exaust turbo sensors? and the such of those)

but at any rate be sure and let us know how you make out

Ok I think most of you are over complicating this.

The bellhousings of all three trannies are the same, BUT the paterns after the housings are different between the Manual and the AT. I think thats what Alberts tring to say.....

We are going to drive the old man to drink'n, maybe its too late. LOL

We are going to drive the old man to drink'n, maybe its too late. LOL

Sorry Hodo, yer too late. Double shots of whiskey with a beer chaser for everyone.

The Bellhousing for the VH45DE engine WILL NOT ACCEPT A STANDARD Z32 5 SPEED TRANSMISSION WITHOUT A ADAPTOR. PERIOD.
A+B=C, A+D=C, E+B=C are all OK, but it's the E+D=C what is fucked up cause there is no such thing unless you use a adaptor on E+B making it a E+D. This is the correct the math for this problem.

Stephenp, Like your math, your wrong about saying they'll mount. Also the bellhousing has nothing to do with the accessory's.

Back to the boiler makers.

If you build the RE4R03A (the transmission used in the VG30, VH45, VH41 and some Nissan trucks) for racing and use a 9 1/2" torque and use a SAW shift kit, you'll have a very good transmission and it well handle in excess of 1,200HP and will up or down shift like a manuel but without a clutch.

How much would that run alot? Would it be easier than hooking up an adaptor to the VH45 automatic for manual? That sounds very appealing! Imma have to sell my sentra for the VH45 engine, mounts, oilpan, harness etc..

i think street sailor has a point you arent listening to he says if a+b=c and a+d=c and e+b=c then doesnt e+d=c also
well the only reason i dont think it could is perhaps the turbo mounts perhaps the turbos wiould hit thwe bell housing??? if so then that is why e+d doesnt =c
sorry for the math lesson lol and
a=nonturbo
b=auto tranny
c=completed drivetrain
d=standard
e=bigger engine
and at any rate he does have a point its like the whole interchangable end of the deal

im gonna say theyll mount

the only trouble will be in the accessory mounting(ie exaust turbo sensors? and the such of those)

but at any rate be sure and let us know how you make out

thank you for trying to put in a better prespective what i was trying to say eventhough im not streetsailor...

and Al, i understand that there has to be an adaptor, im not doubting that. i just dont understand why...

ok...

a = automatic 300zx transmission
b = VG30DETT engine
c = complete drivetrain
d = VH45DE engine
e = manual 300zx transmission

heres what i know...

a + b = c
a + d = c
e + b = c

so if you replace B with D then you should have a C...

what your saying is B + D does not equal C...but A + D does.

as far as i know they do not bolt up differently...i will look further into that part of the situation over the weekend. since i do have a manual and an automatic sitting in my garage for the Z32...if my math is wrong then my Z32 manual transmission will not bolt up to my Z32 motor.

Al, im not arguing that you dont need an adaptor plate. im just trying put some sense into the equation...

OK K3....The VG30DE engine has 2 different bellhousings. Both bolt up to the engine, but one is for the automatic and the other for the standard 5 speed. Meaning the rear of the bellhousing is different for the 2 different transmissions. You with me so far?

Now the VH45DE has only one bellhousing and it's for the automatic, not the standard. None of the VG30DE bellhousings well work on the VH45DE engine.
Still with me?
So we have to use the VH45DE bellhousing, which is for the automatic. The automatic transmission has a different bolt pattern than the standard 5 speed. So to make it work you'll need a adaptor.

Back to the double shots and beer chaser:screwy:

How much would that run alot? Would it be easier than hooking up an adaptor to the VH45 automatic for manual? That sounds very appealing! Imma have to sell my sentra for the VH45 engine, mounts, oilpan, harness etc..

The cheapest way to go would be with the adaptor on the automatic bellhousing and a 5 speed, but, BUT. I won't go there, don't want to stir the pot too much.

Also if you buy the engine without the automatic it well be cheaper than $1,495.
So if you have a Z32 with a 5 speed, bingo.

I would just get the engine with the tranny and drop them both in at the same time...... Man I am lazy.

I still dont see what all the fuss is about MTs. I perfer to let the car do the work for me, and I just setup the shift points as needed in the shop WAY easier less can go wrong, and it saves me the hasle of ever having to replace the clutch.

OK K3....The VG30DE engine has 2 different bellhousings. Both bolt up to the engine, but one is for the automatic and the other for the standard 5 speed. Meaning the rear of the bellhousing is different for the 2 different transmissions. You with me so far?

Now the VH45DE has only one bellhousing and it's for the automatic, not the standard. None of the VG30DE bellhousings well work on the VH45DE engine.
Still with me?
So we have to use the VH45DE bellhousing, which is for the automatic. The automatic transmission has a different bolt pattern than the standard 5 speed. So to make it work you'll need a adaptor.

Back to the double shots and beer chaser:screwy:

ok i totally understand now...i went out and looked at my transmissions and i finally understood what you were trying to say. the VG has 2 different bolt patterns on the housing...one to bolt the automatic trans and one to bolt the manual trans. the VH does not have the bolt pattern for the manual probably because it was never offered as a manual...

see...i was under the assumption before that both (manual and auto) transmissions used the same bolt pattern on the VG. as you can see by my formulas...

I would just get the engine with the tranny and drop them both in at the same time...... Man I am lazy.

I still dont see what all the fuss is about MTs. I perfer to let the car do the work for me, and I just setup the shift points as needed in the shop WAY easier less can go wrong, and it saves me the hasle of ever having to replace the clutch.

Hodo, Your just not cool. Nether am I. It seems a few have this blockage in their brain that tells them the standard is the only way to go. So the you's and me's just have to accept the fact that there's a few who can't and won't accept facts. Like, most Cart and Formula 1 cars have automatics. All the top running domestic and import cars have automatics. And now that the valve body has been replaced with a computer in the automatic you can program it to do anything your little 'ol heart desires. In fact the new torque convertors are computer controlled and you can set them to lockup any place you want. No need for a hi-stall convertor. There isn't a human alive that can shift as fast as a automatic.
But you just aren't cool. Nether am I.

Hodo, Your just not cool. Nether am I. It seems a few have this blockage in their brain that tells them the standard is the only way to go. So the you's and me's just have to accept the fact that there's a few who can't and won't accept facts. Like, most Cart and Formula 1 cars have automatics. All the top running domestic and import cars have automatics. And now that the valve body has been replaced with a computer in the automatic you can program it to do anything your little 'ol heart desires. In fact the new torque convertors are computer controlled and you can set them to lockup any place you want. No need for a hi-stall convertor. There isn't a human alive that can shift as fast as a automatic.
But you just aren't cool. Nether am I.

depends what automatic you're talking about :D... i've driven some pretty hurting auto's in my day... some of which my grandma could shift faster than.... you're right tho, all of the fastest cars have some form of automatic tranny... but i find there is just something so much more fullfilling about going up and down through the gears and feeling the engagement of each gear. besides, most of us that aren't so serious about racing enjoy having total control and not having to spend big bucks and tuning time to get it

The cheapest way to go would be with the adaptor on the automatic bellhousing and a 5 speed, but, BUT. I won't go there, don't want to stir the pot too much.

Also if you buy the engine without the automatic it well be cheaper than $1,495.
So if you have a Z32 with a 5 speed, bingo.

so a 9 1/2" torque and SAW shift kit is more expensive then a 5 spd adaptor? If it is fuck it ill just get a AT, i agree that AT is Faster than MT when it comes down to changing gears, the computer is quicker than a push of the clutch by foot and upshifting by hand.

Dude came to my school today in a funny car, had a PSI Supercharger, aluminum heads, the works, said he ran 5.7 in the 1/4 rev limit at 9800rpms, 2800 hp, forgot to ask the torque.

if i was building a strictly race car...there is no doubt in my mind i would have a automatic with paddle shifters with a shift kit and the works. but i dont want a strictly or near strictly race car...

i want a fun car they if desired i could take on the track and whoop some corvette ass. and to me manual is funner and more driver involved...it is soemthing that you can always improve which keeps you going out there and slamming the shifter on the highway.

no problem with automatics, i have had one my whole driving career because its a better case for a strictly daily driver and thats all i have wanted out of a car until now. but when i hopped in my Z and found out what i wanted out of it...i knew i had to go manual.

i have GTP also as a daily driver and i have no desire to change it to a manual if it was possible...just the Z32. :evillol:

well that is my :2cents: about automatics and manual transmissions...