Haven't decided yet cause I dont have all my money yet. I do have a two shops in mind right now though. Agile Automotive Performance (www.agileauto.com) and JE Automotive (www.jeimportperformance.com). They are both located around the Cockeysville area.

Just wondering, have any of you 3g eclips guys thought of dropping in the engine from a vr4. Does anyone know if this is possible and what the cost would be like?

I'm pretty sure the transmission doesn't line up. So no go on that one. It would be a pretty worthless swap anyway since its the same engine with different pistons and different heads. It's easier just to do some engine work to the existing engine and build it for boost.

so then why would sentra guys swap the sr20det in place of the sr20de? its just the same engine with different cr and a turbo.

Well, could you swap the trans too?

so then why would sentra guys swap the sr20det in place of the sr20de? its just the same engine with different cr and a turbo.

Probably because its just a direct swap and it bolts up to the existing tranny and engine mount locations and its simple. Don't take my word on this I'm just guessing.

Besides, what does the vr4 engine put out? Around 300-320 hp to the flywheel? So maybe 250-270 to the wheels if that? It'd be a lot easier to just put a turbo on an eclipse GT and get 320-350 to the WHEELS. I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper too.

The tranny on the vr4 is on the wrong side of the engine compared to the eclipse.

Well, could you swap the trans too?

The vr4 is awd so the tranny is an awd tranny. The eclipse is FWD. So even if you could make it fit with different mounts there would be an open spot on the rear of the tranny where the drive shaft is supposed to go to turn the rear wheels. I would imagine you couldn't run it like that. And if you think you could just run a drive shaft and make a badass awd eclipse, there is no space under the chassis to provide for one. You would have to custom fabricate a tunnel under the car which would take space in the cabin so you would probably have to cut out a section of the floor down the center of the car which would compromise the structural integrity of the car. You would also have to find a rear transfer case to make the rear wheels turn. This would involve modifying the gas tank to make room for it as well as making custom mounts. Trust me it's been thought about and discussed many times and its just not cost effective.

Anyways I've got to go to work fellas. I'll be back on later tonight around eleven if you guys still wanna talk about this.

I'm gunna own you so hard in our reverse race.

I'm gunna own you so hard in our reverse race.


no way cause my reverse goes like 90 mph, yo !!!!! :rofl:

Pff what ever mine goes like... damn is there a way to tell how fast you can go in reverse?

look at the speedometer

Even in reverse the speedometer works? i didn't think it would work goen in reverse i will have to see how fast i can go in reverse today when i get home.

Reverse usually tops out around 20mph. And an eclipse gt will never ever be a better car then the VR4. A 270whp VR4 would most likely beat or run hard with a turbo'd GT eclipse putting down 350fwhp. Mmmm, traction. Think about the 60fts. 1.8s to like..2.3s.



Edit: And how would it be cheaper? VR4s do that STOCK. You'd need a crate full of mods on an eclipse gt for what you're saying.

Reverse usually tops out around 20mph. And an eclipse gt will never ever be a better car then the VR4. A 270whp VR4 would most likely beat or run hard with a turbo'd GT eclipse putting down 350fwhp. Mmmm, traction. Think about the 60fts. 1.8s to like..2.3s.



Edit: And how would it be cheaper? VR4s do that STOCK. You'd need a crate full of mods on an eclipse gt for what you're saying.

I never said an eclipse gt was better than a vr4. I was just trying to explain that swapping a vr4 engine into a 3g is not worth anyones time or money since it would be easier to just put a turbo on the eclipse gt and get more horsepower. And what do I care if a vr4 can beat my GT. Yes the AWD will give it a great launch and a great sixty foot time. And yes the FWD eclipse will have traction issues at high horsepower but that's nothing a good set of tires (slicks or drag radials or even a sticky set of street tires) and an LSD won't fix. Besides, 60' foot times aren't everything. There is a stage 3 SDS eclipse that ran the quarter with these stats 400.0whp 2.174 (60') 7.723@94.69 (1/8) 11.835@123.19 (1/4). A stock vr4 may have a nice 60' time but theres no way its running anywhere near an 11 sec. quarter.

I also never said a turbo eclipse gt would be cheaper than a vr4, I said that turboing a gt would be cheaper and more practical than doing the whole vr4 engine SWAP into the 3g gt for the reasons I listed in my previous posts.

Please this is NOT a pissing contest between a 3G GT and a VR4 or ANY other car for that matter. I'm not doing my turbo project to try to prove that the 3G GT is a better car than any other car. I'm doing my project because its fun and I want to make my car faster than it is now while learning about the engine and how it works.

Actually I think your only hope for a high hp FWD car is an LSD AND slicks. 2.1 is a good FWD 60ft. But what I was getting at was for every tenth off your 60ft..thats 2 tenths off your 1/4.

I know slicks and a LSD will be the best way to put down good quarter times. This car is not aimed to be a drag queen. I might take it down the quarter a couple times after I get it all put in and I get some good sticky street tires just to see what it runs. I'm more interested in having a decently fast car that can handle great and shock a lot of people (which i'm sure I'll be able to do. I mean come on, who expects a 3G to be fast?).

I'm more interested in having a decently fast car that can handle great and shock a lot of people (which i'm sure I'll be able to do. I mean come on, who expects a 3G to be fast?).

Shocking people is exactly what you will do. I had an '02 3G GT with Rippmods Stage 1.5 and other supporting mods. The car looked basically stock on the exterior, other than a small drop with some wider wheels and tires. People were amazed when they saw under the hood, or heard the whistling blower at a stoplight. It was so much fun driving around a sleeper like that. At 9psi, it dynoed 294.7 whp on a Mustang Dyno with the water/meth injection activating at about 5 psi.

Have fun with your project, and watch your air/fuel ratios and egt's, especially with the stock pistons.

Shocking people is exactly what you will do. I had an '02 3G GT with Rippmods Stage 1.5 and other supporting mods. The car looked basically stock on the exterior, other than a small drop with some wider wheels and tires. People were amazed when they saw under the hood, or heard the whistling blower at a stoplight. It was so much fun driving around a sleeper like that. At 9psi, it dynoed 294.7 whp on a Mustang Dyno with the water/meth injection activating at about 5 psi.

Have fun with your project, and watch your air/fuel ratios and egt's, especially with the stock pistons.

Thanks. I'm contemplating having my intercooler anodized black so it'll still look stock up front. Ultimate sleeper. Nobody would be able to tell that I'm not stock besides an exhaust while I'm at the light and as long as I'm just putting around town not making boost, no one will hear a bov either. The only thing people will see are my gauges but I could just be a ricer so hopefully it'll throw them off.

That's a goog idea, or you could put a mesh grill insert in. I had one, but never installed it. You'll appriate the lsd, I wish that I had one in my 3G. My car was the one-wheel-peel master, even from a 70mph roll. My srt-4 is a 2004, so it has the Quaife lsd, which I can't imagine not having in that little car. Traction is still hard to come by in first and second, but not near as bad as the Eclipse was.

Thanks for the info, I had been curious about whether a swap like that was possible for some time.

That's a goog idea, or you could put a mesh grill insert in. I had one, but never installed it. You'll appriate the lsd, I wish that I had one in my 3G. My car was the one-wheel-peel master, even from a 70mph roll. My srt-4 is a 2004, so it has the Quaife lsd, which I can't imagine not having in that little car. Traction is still hard to come by in first and second, but not near as bad as the Eclipse was.

Lol I have a mesh grill too but I never put it on. I held it up to the opening, hated it, and then put it in my closet.

JRico00: no problem.

Thanks. I'm contemplating having my intercooler anodized black so it'll still look stock up front. Ultimate sleeper. Nobody would be able to tell that I'm not stock besides an exhaust while I'm at the light and as long as I'm just putting around town not making boost, no one will hear a bov either. The only thing people will see are my gauges but I could just be a ricer so hopefully it'll throw them off.

i don't know if there isn't too much piping for a FMIC, definitely go black though so it looks like an intercooler and is less obvious than a grill, and unfortunately if you upgrade the fuel pump, you can hear it

in my opinion mitsubishi made a mistake changing the eclipse and not offering a turbo model. i have raced the newer gts models and smoked the crap out of them...may be more "luxurious", not what im looking for in a car heh

no sh!t...they were just looking for something more reliable and maintenance free than the 2g turbo models