I just got a Mopar magazine with an article of the new stage 3 setup for the SRT-4. It's for up to 355HP! thats crazy considering its a factory instal. I have been toying around with the idea of getting a new car for some time now, I was looking into the EVO but now I might just try for the SRT again. I rulled out the STI way long ago cause my best friend got one and I* just think those motors are wayyyyyy to weak. plus its so hard to mod them, everything is tied into the ECU....even the BOV is a hard mod.
Anyway the Evo is what like 276hp for 30,000.00 and it like 34 grand after dealer fees? the SRT is below 22 and about 25 after dealer fees plus I've heard of SRTs with stage 2 kits and turbo toys trapping low 13s.......never seen it just heard about it. and I've heard they can kill an Evo and an STI from a roll. So how hard is it to mod an EVO? out of the three its the one with the worst warranty and worst dealer service and its got a heavy sticker price so what do you have to do to get it up in the 300 hp range? I seen so many SRTs on stock internals tapping close to 400HP already.
I hope Steiner answers to this cause I know you just tradded in your SRT for the EVO so maybe you know something I dont.
I'm not trying to put down any of these cars I'm just wondering which would be a smarter buy if I finally decide to get rid of the 3s.

the sti has 300hp...how is that weak?

well also think about what you want besides power. The srt4 is barely above a baseline model when it comes to features. Where as an EVo or Sti is gonna come loaded with all the extras that makes driving a little more fun. But if i were going for just grunt HP, id look at an SRT4.

The Evo dosent offer much in features. its got alot of performance like the active center dif and what not but a momo steering wheel and aluminum pedals? comon those thing will run you less then 300 bucks on e-bay. the radio is crap, the seats are huge. they where built for fat yankees with overweight asses. I feel like im in a sofa when I sit in those! The STI may lack the sound system but it is a little bit more for the price. the interior is deffenetly nicer and the adjustable HIDs are sweet too plus whatever little crap I'm missing out on.
I didnt mean the 300HP is weak. I mean the motor is really weak. go to NASOIC and read up on all the tunning horror stories. the pistons are so dellicate and the biggest problem they have is computer management. the ECU is a bitch and rejects alot of mods. it probably the most complicated car to mod that I've seen in a long time. I like STIs but I gotta admit I've never seen someone so regretfull about dumping 35 grand into a car a I've seen in STI owners. (not all just some) The EVO is a tunners wet dream, it really is tuner friendly and the aftermarket is bigger then the STI's but I just wonder how difficult it will be to maintain since Mitsubishi wont even honor an oil change on these cars cause as soon as you drive off they revokr the warranty for the stupidest crap.....sometimes they'll even make up shit just to revoke it.

4g63 has been used since 1989 (at least), so i'm sure there are plenty of ways to push it to 300 hp.

if i had the means i would pick the evo out of the three, maybe I'm biased since i know two people with them and they roxx0rz.

i what he means by the sti engine being "weak" is the fact that its a new engine and hasnt had much development time to get mods.

355hp on a FWD car...good luck on a launch... and i thought the stock 240hp wheel hop/torque steer on those cars was bad...

As long as you're not dependent on the launch, you'll be fine. If most of your races are from a roll, then the SRT-4 will be fine.

When Musashi said the STi engine was weak he didn't mean from a power standpoint. He meant that the engines are frail. They have weak pistons and the block is an open deck design. That is not ideal for modding. At best you could sleeve the block and change the pistons but you're still left with the fact that the ECU doesn't take well to changes.

If you get a WRX or and STi your best bet is to take it to COBB Tuning here in Salt Lake City.

355hp on a FWD car...good luck on a launch... and i thought the stock 240hp wheel hop/torque steer on those cars was bad...

With uneven axles and an LSD I don't think that torque steer is much of a problem. Wheel hop can be solved with some stickier tires and some suspension work.

As for your dilemma Musashi, I don’t know what to tell you. I would love to own either car. The SRT-4 takes to mods very well and has a very strong drivetrain. Not to say that the Evo doesn’t. Now the Evo is a monster on the track. Not to say that the SRT-4 can’t handle.

Steiner is your best bet for an opinion having owned both.

man idk, i just priced a SRT4 on dodge.com heres what i came up with,

- 2005 SRT4 M Pkg. $20,650.00


modify
- Primary: Black Clear Coat Included
- Interior: Dark Slate Gray Included


modify
- 2.4L 4-Cyl DOHC 16V H.O. Turbo Engine Included
- 2.6 Overall Top Gear Ratio Included
- 5-Speed Manual Transaxle Included


modify
- Premium Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats Included
- 205/50R17 89Y BSW Performance Tires Included
- 17" x 6.0" Aluminum Wheels Included
- 6 Speakers Included
- AM/FM Stereo with CD Player and CD Changer Controls Included
- Air Conditioning Included
- Power Sunroof $750.00

total was just a hair under 22,000. But thats a fully loaded SRT4. And i heard you get great insurance rates on them because they are still just a Neon.

Hmm, id take the SRT4

i heard the insurance sucked on it since they gotten into lots of accidents.

but hey the sti is safe!

For me, 26 years old and with state farm insurance, and to have the same full coverage that I have on my 2000 SSEi (which is 76 a month) it would be 92 a month for an 05 SRT4, 94 a month for a 05 Evo, and 114 a month for an 05 STi. My insurance agent (and best friend, which is why I have so many quotes, he gets bored at work lol) doesn't know why the STi is so much more, it costs about the same as a 03 Cobra, and more than a 02 WS6. Oh yeah, a Porsche Carerra GT is 634 dollars a month for full coverage, hah!

Personally, I would go with the SRT-4. I think its exterior styling is way better than the EVO. the EVO just doesn't look right. I would like it better if they retained the styling cue's from the EVO 3's.

this is a very easy decsion
track car - srt4
amazing daily driver - wrx or evo

bottom line is...if you have the money for a wrx/sti or evo then for god's sake dont get an srt4

i have driven all three cars and by far the most fun to drive is the evo the handling is incredible, however i hate its interior its awfull, the sti is a monster to with a great interior but it suffers from bad understeer, and ive heard the same thing about the mods prob, the srt-4, well its fast as hell but i didnt enjoy driving it for the simple fact that the launch is well crappy to me nothing compares to an AWD launch if i were you musashi i would go for the evo.


But if i had 20 - 30 grand my car of choice would be the 98-99 vr-4 Cant go wrong there and you will kick the crap outa all three of the others.

i heard the insurance sucked on it since they gotten into lots of accidents.

but hey the sti is safe!

That is because the SRT-4 is inexspensive and you have all types of boy racers buying them that don't know how to handle a car with that much power. The SRT-4 happens to have a five star crash rating.

this is a very easy decsion
track car - srt4
amazing daily driver - wrx or evo

bottom line is...if you have the money for a wrx/sti or evo then for god's sake dont get an srt4

Well i would think twice about the Evo. I just read a Horror story about the Evo in the latest Car and Driver magizine. It was one of those long term re-views. The talked about all the work they had to put into the car because of repairs and all that good stuff. Also talked about how they felt as if the car lost ALOT after 40,000 miles. I would def pic up that car and driver and read that before u make your decision. (its the one with NEW 3 SERIOUS as the title with a pic of a new 330).

As far as the Daily Driver thing for n Srt-4 its nice. As long as your not above 6'3" and are a pretty slim guy you will love the seats. They are the Viper seats with a leather/cloth mix The interior looks like a Neon and if u get the kicker sound system its a great drive. The Srt-4 when staying out of boost so u can conserve gas drives like a pig. The ride is decent lil bumpy but thats the price u pay for a lil bit harder suspension. I Def think though the Srt-4 is a better daily driver with the nicer seats, sound system and over all ride.

Now if your going track car? Evo hands down, is a better track car. Stock for stock the Srt-4 will only beat an evo from a roll. The Evo handles much better on the track then the srt-4 does. I honestly think it looks better then my srt-4 too. Only reason i have my Srt-4 over the Evo is price. Srt-4 Fully loaded sunroof, sterio, and all those other goodies will price you around 22-23k. I bought mine with all those options and 4k on the clock for 18k.

I know almost nothing about service records on the Srt-4 so i don't know how they handle miles on the clock. One thing i do know is after 60k of realy hard driving expect to need a new turbo and/or turbo re-build. Whats nice about that is it gives u an even better reason to get the Stage 3 mopar. :)

Good luck with the car search, U look at new mustang Gt's at all or you staying away from ford?

Evo over SRT for track and street. First off Evo will always have fun in a 1/4 because of AWD. ANd yes, FWD sucks, especially as power increases.

Evo over SRT for track and street. First off Evo will always have fun in a 1/4 because of AWD. ANd yes, FWD sucks, especially as power increases.


Only prob with adding power to the evo is the Evo has a very weak clutch and a not so tough tranny. But i still think its the seksyest car ever.

I've owned 3 1st gen Eclipses with the 4G63 already, I know the Jap spec 4G63 in the Evo is different but after 60k miles those engines start to give you lots of shit, at the same time I wonder if there are any SRTs out there over 60K miles, the car is still new and still has a few tests to endure.
Launch? please! the STI and the EVO can out launch the SRT sure, but you gotta wind them up and have you ever seen a EVO launch at 5K rpms? sweet right? yeah and 8K miles later you gotta change out the freaking clutch! nah I dont care about launching, I dont care about quarter miles, I dont care about tracks! thats what I have the Starion for! This is gonna be my daily but if my piece of shit co-worker can have a 400HP GTO as his daily and race his 91 GOLF GTI at the track why cant my daily be fast too?
I love the EVO, hell I am a Mitsubishi guy all the way but money is money and I just want a good car that is fun to drive and most importantly. durable!

I know i have allready refered u to www.Srtforums.com But it is def the best way to ask about srt-4 stuff. i know there are a few guys on the boards with over 60k. From what i hear the motor lasts for ever as does the tranny and clutch. Its just the turbo that u have to replace if u drive it too hard. Also i dunno if u knew this but the Turbo in the Srt-4 is a Mitsu Turbo, i believe in fact it is the same one the evo has.

On the long haul the Srt-4 will be better. But if your only keepen the car for around 40k miles... def go evo it will last u 40k miles with few probs and be one hell of a performance machine.

I've driven all 3 and I liked the STI the best...all mod installs will have to be proffessionally done though,

and this is coming from a bias 4g63'er

I still say the 98-99 vr4 is the way to go. You get a bullet proof 6g72 and one of the best looking and fastest cars out there...... but you already know that musashi cuz you drive a 3000GT just like me so.........

Give me the STi.

I don't care much for the other two we are talking about.

I am sorry, but if you think that the STi has a weak engine you are full of shit. Kingpin Tuning in Arizona (I think), built a 526 all-wheel-horsepower Sti with the stock block. If that is weak....you are on crack.

I thought the stage 3 loses warr for the SRT?

well in any case i'd take the EVO MR

MR is really expensive. is it not? Once you start getting close to 40 grand, there are alot of other cars that would be better to have on the street. You really can't beat it when it comes to speed and cornering though.

I am sorry, but if you think that the STi has a weak engine you are full of shit. Kingpin Tuning in Arizona (I think), built a 526 all-wheel-horsepower Sti with the stock block. If that is weak....you are on crack.

ehh, Revolution motorsports built a 630 hp STI on stock internals right here in my home town, they have built quite a few of them too, I think since HIN in Orlando last year they've built 3 STI's with 500+ HP. I know this cause I visit them regularly with my friend (the one with the STI) and yeah its possible....................but not one of those cars has lasted more then 10K miles! thats a nice STI there too, let me know when it blows cause if its on stock block it will deffinetly blow, I bet my car on that!
Chexmixa, I went to the SRTForums already and wow! those guys got a good site going there. I'm just a guest but I might register to ask a few questions. about the ford, 1.Its a mustang, you see them once every five minutes man! 2. Its too domestic. I like the SRT cause its borrowd alot of import tech plus the Turbo is a Mitsu. 3. Have you seen that car? I like the exterior styling but the inside looks like it was built by fisher-price. all the buttons are huge! the shift knob, the e-brake, the radio, even the air vents look like pre-school toys. its like they built it specifically for a sumo-wrestler so that when he pushes a button with his fat finger he dosent accidentaly press four at the same time!

Now i'm wondering about numbers. I think they probably built less EVOs this year then SRTs but if you drive by the dealer you see more EVOs. Mitsubishi is being stingy about them, they just drive too hard a bargai and drive customers away......if I do decide for the SRT I might have a hard time finding one.

3KSL, dont worry bro, I'm not betraying the 3s, Its just that I cant find a VR-4 that I can finance like I could on the SRT or the EVO but I'll still love me some 6G72TT man.

no offense but theres no way i would choose a 3000gt or an evolution.

Yeah it was really tough for me to find my 04. I went for an earlyer 04 cause it still had that 7 year 60,000 mile power train warrenty. I was lucky enough to find an electric blue one with low miles too. At the dealer ship i went to (tempe dodge) they had 2 srt-4s the one i have now and an orange 05. As far as numbers go i have no clue how many they made of each but on the road i have only seen 1 evo (saw him on the street he gave me a quick run and then we pulled over at 7 11 n talked :) ) and i have seen 3 srt-4s on the road. Obviously if your goen for exclusivity go for the Evo but if u want a torquey mean ass dodge Srt-4 = win. :evillol:

LMAO fisher price buttons. everyone knows mustang owners need that stuff, not many of em read to gewd. :biggrin:

i read in car and driver, that the evo is a terrible daily driver, too high-strung. the guys were doing a 40k mile test and nobody wanted to take it home. also it was tired out, check the article its in the new issue

car and driver evaluate cars differently than we do.
i cant speak for all of you, but when you drive a performance car (daily), you sacrafice comfort for speed.

shit the editors of sport compact car fight eachother over the evo (they got an sti and srt too). its all about the mentality.

car and driver long-term test.

"with such a harsh suspension, many began to feel as if they'd joined a cult of flagellants"

After 25,000 miles

"The Logbook began to fill with entries complaining how tired and worn out the Evo felt. "

40,000 miles

"... when the secound and fith gear synchros (shifting into secound became difficult) were finally replaced under warrenty. while the transmission was being rebuilt, we opted to have the cluth replaced because it had slipped away into ether."

Over all in the article they were happy with the Evo they stated that they LOVED the performance and look. (they h8ed the wing, complaining about it several times). Were turned off by the ride quality (really stiff suspension and no cruise control) but understood thats what u sacrifice when u pay 30k for a street legal race car. They hoped mitsu would continue to produce vehicles like the Evo as it progressed.

I think that car and driver is geared towards regular people instead of car guys.

I think that car and driver is geared towards regular people instead of car guys.

That can be said for most mainstream car mags like Motor Trend and Raod & Track as well. I always take what they say with a grain of salt.

sti's are sweet rides but u have to be very carful with its tranny. its very delicate. evo's look cool but i perfer an sti over an evo. and the srt is a definite fun daily driver. even though the clutch and tranny arent as smooth as a sti or evo. i have not raced officially an sti but ive beat an evo from a roll hands down but from a stop i caught up around top of 2nd gear(evo had bad launch?) i think u might like the srt better

I am going to pick me up a SRT4 this summer (In yellow hopefully...I know its kind of a long shot) God knows I would love an Evo but the price of it would make me drive like a grandma. And plus, with the extra money I have left over from the car Im gonna start making payments on a new Honda CBR. I just dont think the Evo is worth the extra 10k but I guess to some it is.

IMO, Road and Track are leaps and bounds ahead of MT and C&D.

maybe i'm wrong but, isn't the base evolution around 28k (msrp)? plus you get that 10 year warranty (but i hear mitsu dealers suck idk)

http://www.mitsubishimotors.com/MMSA/ModelConfig?ModelID=27&TrimID=127&DestinationServlet=Self&1110469514578

i've heard that the sti gearbox is the strongest subaru one yet.
but damn, the srt is cheap power!

it'd be hard to pick just one of the 3.

stock 04 SRt-4 beating a stock EVO from a roll is bull shit. the guys driving the evo obviously can't drive. my friend before he did a 5 speed swap on his turbo KA 240sx, he owned a 3 2004 SRT-4's from a roll and he was auto. yet when he raced my boys STi which is only 1 car faster then my boys EVO he got owned by like 6 cars and this was after he was running more boost and swapped to a 5 speed tranny.

also use your logic, the EVO traps at 102-103mph ( the 2003 ones atleast ) and a SRT-4 would trap at a similar speed. but we all know that when you get a better launch you get a slower trap speed with with a faster E.T. so a SRT-4 launches pretty crappy stock, and they trap at 102mph. the EVO launch is insane it still traps the same as a SRT-4.

i know 3 evo drivers personally. 2 of them are good drivers, one is a terrible one. the terrible one got owned on the highway by a 330ci. does that mean the 330ci is faster then a EVO from roll? nooo that means the guy in the EVO can't drive for shit and makes it look bad

as i explained earlier i have a good friend with a auto KA-T 240 that owned 3 SRT-4's from a stop and from a roll, and when the guys came back and found out he was a auto, they just shut up and left in shame. yet that 240 after it gained more firepower got completely annilated by my friends STi from roll.

edit:

also the guys from car and driver are journalist not mechanics half the complaints they had with the EVO after modding it was the fact that they got a bad tune from Vishu ( too lean of a tune ) and that the O2 sensor keeps on poping out. anyone who works on cars knows how to freaking screw in a O2 sensor. the problems they had witht eh car after it was modded was nothing. if they want to complain about driving a modded car? drive my car, or rednecks car, or any turbo charged honda. then they'll know what high strung means.

A couple things to consider....

Handling, even with the stiffest suspension, the srt4 will always handle like crap, mainly because of the layout of the drivetrain. Front wheel drive cars are horrible with taking turns at high speeds..god forbid you should floor a 355hp fwd car in a slight turn, say hello to the wall. The mitsu lancer is a handling dream, period. Awd will always have the jump off the line, yeah once that srt4 w/355hp grabs traction, it will slaughter the stock 276..?i believe, hp lancer. The main thing here is torque also, i do believe that the srt4's bigger 4cyl will always put out more torque, just like comparing a 4.6L to a 5.7L, the bigger, the better....generally.

Launch.... Ok, first off, i drove my old buddys 00 se maxima in which was supercharged (or was it turbo..? years ago) and had some work to it, intake, exhaust, chip...it broke 280whp on the dyno. NOW, when he told me to get on it, i did, will never...NEVER drive a powerfull FRONT wheel drive car again. They suck, they are only good for on-a-roll races, where your in 2nd so the tires don't squeal too too much. Torque steer...no traction...=garbage. What you have to remember here, is body roll. LOTS of people simply dismiss this, but for a fwd car, it's the #1 crutch in design that will always give the rwd/awd to upper hand.

Now, i say this with complete confidence. If the srt4 was rear wheel drive...and even just a stage 2 (which i believe is just shy of 300hp) it would be a V8 killer...EASILY, it would run atleast mid 12's. THAT, I WOULD BUY. BTW, don't you love the way chevy is copying dodg by making a POS cobalt..or even saturn, with its gay redline.....

In the end, it's you money....i'd rather get an LS1 98SS and supercharge her.....get new rims/good sound system..intake..exhaust...thats what....how much...$14-18grand...WORTH IT. Plus, yeah the lancer and srt4 are fast...but they are still 4 cyl engines, and without a power adder..they SUCK..they'd put out under 200hp, and would have 0 torque.

Good luck finding a 98 SS, and then buying a super charger for it...rims...intake and exhaust for under 18k

The Cobalt SS Dynos at 205WHP. The cars are under estimated big time. Car And driver ran a 14.5 on a stock cobalt SS. Hmm crappy?

cobalt > ion

Another plus about the cobalt is that it has great two tone leather options. Super nice! But a new SS is probably gonna run you about 22k, however they are also FWD as well.

A couple things to consider....

Handling, even with the stiffest suspension, the srt4 will always handle like crap, mainly because of the layout of the drivetrain. Front wheel drive cars are horrible with taking turns at high speeds..god forbid you should floor a 355hp fwd car in a slight turn, say hello to the wall. The mitsu lancer is a handling dream, period. Awd will always have the jump off the line, yeah once that srt4 w/355hp grabs traction, it will slaughter the stock 276..?i believe, hp lancer. The main thing here is torque also, i do believe that the srt4's bigger 4cyl will always put out more torque, just like comparing a 4.6L to a 5.7L, the bigger, the better....generally.



First off man u know absolutely nothing about the srt-4. The most common misconception is it handles like crap. It doesn't, It has quite a stiff suspension allowing it with the stock rubber to pull .86 G on the skid pad. Front wheel drive cars are not "horrible" at taking turns at high speeds, you brake right and excelerate through the appex and your going to at least keep up with a rwd car. Also who in thier right mind is going to take a high speed turn in any car on a city street. This is daily driver not daily auto X'er.

Here is a lil history on the srt-4, some nice lil bit of usefull info. http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98857 that is a very nice post on the srt-4 some very good information.

04-05 srt-4's dynoing for 225-230 whp and 245-250 ftlbs at the wheels. :) But i Def think the cobalt looks WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!111ONE!!!! better. I actually like the cobalts wing that they have. I also hear the gear box is super smooth, while my srt-4's is kinda clunky with pretty long throws. On top of that that bullet proof Ecotech is in there, wich = u can add plenty more power.

A cobalt ss does the 1/4 in 14.5? that woud make it faster then the SRT! nahhhh, I doubt it. besides its only got like 205 hp. Its probably a low 15s, I mean the prodution 04 SRT 4 did the quarter in almost 13.00 ripping through the gears and frying the clutch so maybe thats the same case on the Cobalt. It just dosent look that fast and the aftermarket potential on a supercharged sport compact is kinda weak compared to turbos. still I do have to admit with carbon clutch and that bad ass eaton it is ahell of a deal, specially on looks! freaking sweet!

A cobalt ss does the 1/4 in 14.5? that woud make it faster then the SRT! nahhhh, I doubt it. besides its only got like 205 hp. Its probably a low 15s, I mean the prodution 04 SRT 4 did the quarter in almost 13.00 ripping through the gears and frying the clutch so maybe thats the same case on the Cobalt. It just dosent look that fast and the aftermarket potential on a supercharged sport compact is kinda weak compared to turbos. still I do have to admit with carbon clutch and that bad ass eaton it is ahell of a deal, specially on looks! freaking sweet!

04 srts are rated at a 13.9 quarter

04 srts are rated at a 13.9 quarter

with slicks u can run a flat 13.

Your trying to tell me srt-4s are THAT fast? 1 second faster with slicks? They must be hell to launch with regular tires. And man, no matter what FWD will never be better then rwd for cornering. The front wheels are just doing way to much.

Your trying to tell me srt-4s are THAT fast? 1 second faster with slicks? They must be hell to launch with regular tires. And man, no matter what FWD will never be better then rwd for cornering. The front wheels are just doing way to much.

I never said it would be better, just saying you could keep up. wich for me means staying within a bus length. Yes they are "that fast" wich to me 13s is quick 11s and 12s are fast. Thats why from a roll the srt-4 is such a good competiter. BTW if anyone wants to fund me some money for slicks i'll go run and prove it. :)

you may be right but for about 18k used, you cant go wrong. I personally wouldnt want to pay the extra 10k for an evo. FWD isnt as horrible as most people claim it to be, and they are still a lot of fun.

I guess they are hell to launch on street tires. I think a 13 second car is fast yeah...I have an AWD celica, i'm spoiled....I just think FWD is really hard to drive fast with. Sometimes it pulls to a side, if you hit it to hard in a curve the fronts spin (Now dont try to tell me that doesnt suck. It sucks. you have NO control) I think FWD is good for ecomney cars and rwd and awd is the right way to go to proformance...Well...can you agree RWD>FWD so I will shut up? :grinno:

Hands down AWD is better when it comes to manuevering. And yeah torque steer is a bitch. Because of the LSD on meh srt-4 its not as bad as my TC was. The reason all economy cars are FWD is becuase its ALOT cheaper to manufacture and easyer to put power to the wheels. and when u have a 125 hp monstrosity like civracer u need all the power to the wheels u can get. :) Only reason though that all sports cars aren't AWD is the cost and the parasetic(sp) loss of hp to the wheels.

Honestly though we need stiener to hit us up real quick to clearify everything. He is the master of teh Srt-4 he knows tons.

I love haven my power up front though. I like being pulled along rather then being pushed. :)

Of course RWD is better than FWD...there is no arguing that unless your planning on racing in the rain..but just personally ,once i got used to launching it and stuff I didnt really mind it.

You guys are so full of shit. For one, STi > evo/srt-4. SRT-4s are rated at low 14s, high 13s with a good driver. And no, with slicks you don't get a 13 flat timeslip. And no, SRT-4s don't dyno at 230hp. Anything I should address?

You guys are so full of shit. For one, STi > evo/srt-4. SRT-4s are rated at low 14s, high 13s with a good driver. And no, with slicks you don't get a 13 flat timeslip. And no, SRT-4s don't dyno at 230hp. Anything I should address?

Actually they do dampachi. btw who made u lord of the numbers?

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118400

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121349
from that post
http://usera.imagecave.com/filippob/pippo001.jpg

:rofl:

Oops. I forgot about the power increase for the new ones. Sorry. But the other things I say still stand.

Oops. I forgot about the power increase for the new ones. Sorry. But the other things I say still stand.

wait tell i get home i'll find you some timeslips :)

We just LOVE arguing, don't we?

Yeah, I'll wait. Slicks shaving a whole second. Wow.

We just LOVE arguing, don't we?

:disappoin we do :( i think its from the huge e-peen i grew back in the day when i was a online gamoRR!!!!! i played daoc (dark age of camelot) way to much before i got a car, a job, and a life lol. I try to keep it under control but some times it has a mind of its own.

On top of that i am at work and bored out of my mind.

Stock 03 (no LSD) runnen 13.3 http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Neon-Timeslip-3419.html I'll keep looken for some 04-05 srt-4s with slicks times.

No reply from Steiner yet? I would like to here from people who have driven all the cars in question. I myself have never driven any of them so my option doesn’t really matter, but if it was me I would get the STI because it is a RWD biased AWD system I believe?

However it seems like you got your mind set on either the SRT-4 or the EVO. Out of those two its hands down the EVO. Think of it this way Musashi. If money was not an issue which car would you get? I’m guessing the EVO. So that being said get the Evo because I can guarantee you that you will always wish you had that car if you don’t get it. Its like anything in life your never truly happy when you settle for anything less then what you want.

no the subaru does not have a rwd biased awd system. the torque split can be 35/65 (think: the old base subarus were fwd, and the sti uses the same awd system, just modified.)

no the subaru does not have a rwd biased awd system. the torque split can be 35/65 (think: the old base subarus were fwd, and the sti uses the same awd system, just modified.)

Right so it is either even or more power to the rear. Wheres the Evo is either more power to the front wheels or even.

Right so it is either even or more power to the rear. Wheres the Evo is either more power to the front wheels or even.

I think i remeber reading somewhere the evo is 50/50 at some points and 100/0 when excelerating in a straight line.

all 3 are pretty nice cars and you probably couldn't go wrong with it.

I do however have gripes about the srt-4's looks. It reminds me too much of a neon but it offers great power at less of a price.

STI and EVO are awd drive and I'm sure they are a couple of the most fun street vehicles around. I have however seen a couple of articles from magazines of them having to go back and rebuild the STI from scratch and it just seems to turn me away from them.

Its a hard decision. On one hand you have a cheaper fwd turbo car that can be upgraded into somewhat of a monster or you have that awd turbo car that is proclaimed to be the king of the street (I speak of both STI and EVO here)

Also keep in mind the 4g63t has been around a bit longer than the other two and will probably prove to be easier and possibly cheaper to upgrade.

Yeah, but 4G63s aren't exactly the most reliable motor around..I'm still sticking with the STi. The SRT-4 is FWD..which is where I lose interest. And the Evo and the STi are practically the same car...but the STi is faster. So I like the STi. Simple as pie.

I love how people say "well it's good from a roll"
Racing from a roll is just plain gay in my opinion. Real cars rip from a line.

Yeah, but 4G63s aren't exactly the most reliable motor around..I'm still sticking with the STi. The SRT-4 is FWD..which is where I lose interest. And the Evo and the STi are practically the same car...but the STi is faster. So I like the STi. Simple as pie.

I think that depends. Judging by the numbers I would suppose the STi ranks higher by just a small amount but I see them as being pretty evenly matched.

Yeah, but from what I've seen the motor in the STi isn't packing too much by way of reliability either. At least it would be cheap to fix a 4g63t back up, not so sure about the STi.

I do agree with you about the srt-4. I've driven 2 fwd cars in my life, thats enough for me.


Highrev, the opportunity for races from a roll seems to come often to some. I have had way more roll races than races from a stop myself but I still strongly dislike fwd launches as they do suck at gaining any decent traction.

I love how people say "well it's good from a roll"
Racing from a roll is just plain gay in my opinion. Real cars rip from a line.

Well, lets think about this one for a secound my man. how many opertunities on the street/highway do u have a chance to run from a stop? Racing is racing there is no exact way or science to it. Roll racing is by no means a drivers race. Roll racing takes the driving aspect out of racing. Its more of a who's car is faster race. Roll racing imo is the best way to determine wich car is faster. Now Racing from a digg is waaaayyyyy more of a drivers race. But its almost pointless if your a fwd car to try and beat huge low end torque numbers at the real wheels from a dig. please don't be too heated that the shit box neon is faster then your car. :biggrin:

I prefer from a dig..but I'll take a roll if I have to.

I prefer from a dig..but I'll take a roll if I have to.

ohh yeah def dig racing is way more fun the drivers element is actually in the race. But the only way an LS1 wont pull on me ubber hard is if i race from a roll. From a stop it will just be buss lengths.

I think i remeber reading somewhere the evo is 50/50 at some points and 100/0 when excelerating in a straight line.

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Yeah, but 4G63s aren't exactly the most reliable motor around..

correction: dsm 4g63's arent the most reliable. were talking a refined and japanese sourced 4g63 (it even spins in the opposite direction compared to the dm 4g's), not to mention the sti motor is relatively new.

if you have the money and you want comfort and power, sti.
if you have the money and you want a car with an edge, evolution.
if you dont have the money but want a kick, neon srt4.

All 3 cars are faster than mine and I would gladly accept any one of them as a birthday present(April 7, FYI)...the end.

Well, a few weeks ago I went with a friend in his 2003 Evo to a car lot to test drive an '04 SRT4. Lets just say after the test drive I had to ask "Did floor it that one time? Cause it sounded like it but it didn't really feel like it." I will say this, this 'NEW' car had 1k miles on it, all from test drives. So we didn't judge all SRT4s on that one we test drove, but it was very comfortable, and sounded mean.. But I guess that one we were driving was a complete dog. The SRT4 emblem on the engine was already starting to wear off, it barely started from sitting there for so long, etc. We are going to go testdrive an '05 with 10 miles on it at the dealership he got his evo at to do a real comparison.

Front wheel drive cars are simply NOT race cars, period. Anyone whose ever taken a fwd car on a long strip..breaking 130, KNOWS they handle like sh*t. I did, wasn't fun.

It's like giving rainman swat gear and telling him to raid a building...yeah he'll probably get it done..he's got the smarts (srt4's power) but not the physical nature to do it. Lol, thats some funny sh*t.

All i can say is, if you want a cheap, fast car..good for a straight line..get it. I personally love the srt's, lots of people think they are ugle, i like the look to them. But man o man if they where rwd, they would easily sell out like 29 cent tampons.

A question, HOW THE HELL do you guys deal with torque steer...?

Lol, i also own a lazy high 15's 4.6 tbird.....anyone wanna donate me an evo..? or even an srt4..? Please..?

Wow, all this hate towards FWD! I'm deffinetly getting an SRT now, all this bullshit must be repressed envy!

I've gotten my 3000GT up to 140mph (fwd) and my friend, the one with the STI was fucking amazed how stable it is. hell I've been in AWD cars that felt shakier then that!

I also owned a gsx so I know how costly maintenance is on an awd. too much crap to fix and maintain!

and I currently own a RWD too, the starion. floor a fwd hard in a corner and you'll loose some traction and wabble, Floor the RWD and you'll end up facin the other way!

Ever seena cop pit a rwd? ever seen em pit a fwd? yeah no right? cause they are just that much steadier!

funny you guys call it a neon. the SRT is as far froma neon as the EVO is from a Lancer OZ!

a car has to be good to make so much enemies! kinda like how all import guys hate mustangs! cause they know a mustang with minor mods will become a beast and swallow them up!

I'm looking for safety (FWD=teh safe), easy on my pocket (EVO= teh too much maintenance) fun to drive and comfy for daily driving (SRT= teh everyone will be pissed you got one on a daily basis and pissing people off is my specialty) and most important the promise that if anything goes wrong it will be taken care of (Mitsubishi wont back any one up, the EVO is a great car and I will always love it but too bad its sold by absolute assholes!)

plus I thought the SRT had a 14.7 stock quarter......13s? i'm sold......Mopar or no car!

Wow, all this hate towards FWD! I'm deffinetly getting an SRT now, all this bullshit must be repressed envy!

I've gotten my 3000GT up to 140mph (fwd) and my friend, the one with the STI was fucking amazed how stable it is. hell I've been in AWD cars that felt shakier then that!

I also owned a gsx so I know how costly maintenance is on an awd. too much crap to fix and maintain!

and I currently own a RWD too, the starion. floor a fwd hard in a corner and you'll loose some traction and wabble, Floor the RWD and you'll end up facin the other way!

Ever seena cop pit a rwd? ever seen em pit a fwd? yeah no right? cause they are just that much steadier!

funny you guys call it a neon. the SRT is as far froma neon as the EVO is from a Lancer OZ!

a car has to be good to make so much enemies! kinda like how all import guys hate mustangs! cause they know a mustang with minor mods will become a beast and swallow them up!

I'm looking for safety (FWD=teh safe), easy on my pocket (EVO= teh too much maintenance) fun to drive and comfy for daily driving (SRT= teh everyone will be pissed you got one on a daily basis and pissing people off is my specialty) and most important the promise that if anything goes wrong it will be taken care of (Mitsubishi wont back any one up, the EVO is a great car and I will always love it but too bad its sold by absolute assholes!)

plus I thought the SRT had a 14.7 stock quarter......13s? i'm sold......Mopar or no car!

haha good choice, your right though all the srt-4 h8ters out there h8 on the srt-4 cause of envy. Also when test driveing n srt-4 wait tell the engine heats up to 200 then floor it. Below 200 your gunna be runnen 8-10 pounds of boost, after 200 your gunna be runnen 14-15 pounds of boost. That might explain the sluggishness. In no way is this car a neon, except the chassi, even the body is diff then the neon. its like callen a a VW r32 just a golf.

Ok I have to strongly disagree with FWD being safer. I’m so tried of people saying that. How is FWD safer do tell? You have your front wheels powering your car, steering your car, and stopping your car. That’s a lot of responsibility for the front wheels. If you lose traction in a FWD you just lost all those things. Sure FWD is better at moving your car in the snow then RWD but its not better for controlling your car. Also when you lift off on the throttle the engine begins to break like in any car however in a FWD car in the winter or at high speeds this can be very dangerous resulting in either under or oversteer. This is how I see many people crash in the winter. I have said this before and I will say it again FWD cars are better for people who cant drive. If one takings the time to learn how to control a RWD car and handle overseer they will be much better off, because the understeer you get with a FWD car is much harder to recover from then oversteer in a RWD car. I live on a very bad corner. And I have lost count of how many accidents I have WATCHED happen. And I will tell you what 80 percent of the cars that crash are FWD coincidence? You decided. What I have noticed from driving FWD cars is (though I have only been driving on the road for a year) they tend to give the driver a “feeling” of more control, but when you push them over “that edge” they turn on you.

I’m not trying to attack you Musashi or your choice of the SRT-4 as I agree it is a fine car that gets a bad wrap, but I was just sick of people saying that about FWD cars.

Ok I have to strongly disagree with FWD being safer. I’m so tried of people saying that. How is FWD safer do tell? You have your front wheels powering your car, steering your car, and stopping your car. That’s a lot of responsibility for the front wheels. If you lose traction in a FWD you just lost all those things. Sure FWD is better at moving your car in the snow then RWD but its not better for controlling your car. Also when you lift off on the throttle the engine begins to break like in any car however in a FWD car in the winter or at high speeds this can be very dangerous resulting in either under or oversteer. This is how I see many people crash in the winter. I have said this before and I will say it again FWD cars are better for people who cant drive. If one takings the time to learn how to control a RWD car and handle overseer they will be much better off, because the understeer you get with a FWD car is much harder to recover from then oversteer in a RWD car. I live on a very bad corner. And I have lost count of how many accidents I have WATCHED happen. And I will tell you what 80 percent of the cars that crash are FWD coincidence? You decided. What I have noticed from driving FWD cars is (though I have only been driving on the road for a year) they tend to give the driver a “feeling” of more control, but when you push them over “that edge” they turn on you.

I’m not trying to attack you Musashi or your choice of the SRT-4 as I agree it is a fine car that gets a bad wrap, but I was just sick of people saying that about FWD cars.


The most important thing is to know the limits of your car. One is not safer from the other. Shitty drivers reck thier cars wether its fwd, awd, or rwd. I think he ment safe as in easyer to maintain, less chance of the drivetrain to crap out on him.

gee, i wonder why ANYONE could possibly ever call an SRT-4 a neon. OH YEAH! because it fucking looks like a dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler! Maybe that's why!

gee, i wonder why ANYONE could possibly ever call an SRT-4 a neon. OH YEAH! because it fucking looks like a dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler! Maybe that's why!

srt-4 envy?

all he was saying that if you are gonna call a srt a neon, you might as well call an evo a lancer as well.

Of course I envy SRT-4s. I mean..who doesn't envy a four door dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler? Not to mention it's FWD. It's pretty fast for what it is..but there is no way I'd buy one now. Not after seeing one up close and having beat a few.

Oh, and BTW: Let's not turn this into a mustang VS srt-4 thread. okay?


Yeah..I've talked to people who called the evo 8 a lancer 8. I know a guy with an STi who just calls it a WRX. I hardly ever hear them bitching about 'OMFG..IT'S NOT A WRX..IT'S AN STi!". Mostly because WRXs and lancers aren't shameful, unreliable cars with a bad reputation. Well..the lancer is getting there. But still.

Lets just leave it with "Different strokes for different folks"

Of course I envy SRT-4s. I mean..who doesn't envy a four door dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler? Not to mention it's FWD. It's pretty fast for what it is..but there is no way I'd buy one now. Not after seeing one up close and having beat a few.

Oh, and BTW: Let's not turn this into a mustang VS srt-4 thread. okay?


Yeah..I've talked to people who called the evo 8 a lancer 8. I know a guy with an STi who just calls it a WRX. I hardly ever hear them bitching about 'OMFG..IT'S NOT A WRX..IT'S AN STi!". Mostly because WRXs and lancers aren't shameful, unreliable cars with a bad reputation. Well..the lancer is getting there. But still.

Well the imprezza is a friggen awsome car in its base form ne ways lol. Btw OMGZ MY RWD SRT-4 WITH TWIN TURBOz OWNZ MUSTANGZZZ!!!11!!!1!!ONE111!!!

haha. oh well..even though you drive a shitty neon, you still have a good sense of humour.






J/K. Your sense of humour is shitty too. ;) :p









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haha. oh well..even though you drive a shitty neon, you still have a good sense of humour.






J/K. Your sense of humour is shitty too. ;) :p









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Man that hurt, that hurt on the inside. Mb i should have to PO ticket you so u will stop being so mean.

I thought it would.

I thought it would.

you had me on the joking part and then i read it as was like, well shit that hurt.

Yo Chexmixa, its gonna be few but as soon as I get it (round mid June) i'll look ya up, thanks for the help and all and the sites you reffered me to, appreciate all that shnit bro.

Dampachi....good luck with the ticket son! j/k dont hate on SRTs bro, you scare me like that!

Yo Chexmixa, its gonna be few but as soon as I get it (round mid June) i'll look ya up, thanks for the help and all and the sites you reffered me to, appreciate all that shnit bro.

Dampachi....good luck with the ticket son! j/k dont hate on SRTs bro, you scare me like that!


def look me up at tell me what yah think of it lol. No prob, allways willing to help out a fellow/future srt-4'er.

ok ok ok. an srt4 is a neon. i'm not sure why you guys say its so different. can somebody convince me otherwise? i even read that article chemix posted and it didnt change my opinon.

ok ok ok. an srt4 is a neon. i'm not sure why you guys say its so different. can somebody convince me otherwise? i even read that article chemix posted and it didnt change my opinon.

Only way i could do so is if u were to actually drive one. preferably an 04-05.

Yea but you SRT-4 drivers take it way too personally. Its a neon... plan and simple. I call STI's impreza's? Most people realize the SRT-4 is a world different then the Neon but it is still a Neon. Its not our fault Neon’s have crappy reputations.

Edit: And hey if people still want to be dicks about calling the SRT4 a Neon then hey take it to the streets.

And the SRT-10 Ram is stil just that... a Ram.

And the SRT-8 300C is still that... a 300C Hemi.

And the SRT-6 Crossfire is still that... Crossfire.

They're just Top of the Line versions of their brethren.

Just like the WRX and STi are Upgraded models of their Impreza brethren. Same with Lancers and Evolutions.


Does anybody care what you call it? No.


Stop the bitching.