from off another forum, I thought you all would like to know.


Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news, It seems as though many of you were looking forward to seeing Ralph Lauren's LM at the Boston Museum next week.
The car was seriously damaged in a brake testing incident 2 weeks ago. I was there and I saw it happen. The car got out of shape while testing at Raceway Park in Englistown NJ and hit the left lane retaining wall. Heavy damage to the left rear section of the car. There was carbon fiber chunks and paint chips everywhere. It was ugly! No injuries to the driver, but the car needs a lot of work

I didn't think Ralph Loauren had an F1 LM? COme to think of it, I'm sure its not an LM, the only LM in the US is Frank Selldorfs.

Either way, Ralph's car is damaged and more than likely won't be attending the Boston Museum.

Interesting news. Ralph doesn't own an F1 LM unless he purchased Mr Selldorff's which seems unlikely. He does, however, own a pair of F1 road cars so it's possible that the one that was crashed (if this story is true) was not the one intended for display in Boston.

In fact, Mr Selldorff just claimed to have seen Lauren's F1 at the museum on the 25th, so something does not jive with this story at all. I suspect it's either completely false, or was his other car.

Any chance someone has photos from this incident??

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you just scared me sh**less....Thanks for the info pelo

I've seen pics from the Boston show and Ralph's car is there. They were taken about a week ago.

Why was he brake testing the car in the first place?

Here is a picture that went with the thread.

http://images8.fotki.com/v154/photos/1/162316/1104285/CarbonFiber-vi.jpg

Mr. Selldorff comes here quite often. He may (or may not want to) fill us in on what happened. Its obvious it was his LM that crashed (based on the photos)

the guy is currently on the other forum right now, so for you all, I have sent him a PM requesting further information / pictures as I know you guys are interested / want to know :)

These things happen. Cars can be repaired and made like new again. If it was indeed the LM that was crashed, it is unfortunate, but I am very glad to know that at least it was getting used.

Orange paint, very interesting...I still doubt it's an LM though, it almost looks like the paint of #071

Found this at nasioc.com:

I've seen Frank Seldorff's orange McLaren while out in the Boston area. I think it was a 99...I'm not sure. Too bad he sold it recently to Ralph Lauren. It went for $2.75 million dollars. He also has an older black one he's trying to sell for around $700,000 I believe. How do I know...my buddy works with Will Turner's dad in Hartford. Seldorff stored the McLaren at Will's house. Not many people can say they've seen a McLaren in person. I'm one of the lucky ones...I guess.

:22yikes: Very sorry to finally put what seems to be confirmation to a rumor I had heard. :(

ECS.com - do you have a link to this thread you are referring to in your posts? I've looked in all the obvious places and haven't come up with anything yet.

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The guy just wrote back to me then, and I must say, along with the picture, this looks to be the first accident for the F1 LM, and this was his reply

Sorry, I have no photos of the accident. It was suggested to me on the day prior that I should not be taking any photos as the BMW execs. might protest. They (the BMW people), however have still shots and video of the accident. Will we ever see them? I don't know. I don't think that they were very anxious to let the news out. The crew that was there was quite thorough in picking up as many pieces of carbon fiber as possible. they didn't get all of them however.
I was told that the car had just undergone a service and brake job, and that as part of the service a thorough testing of the brakes at a closed course facility is part of the job, thus the appearance at Raceway Park.
The car was making a run towards the drag strip's finish line when, at approximately 900 ft. down track, the car made a sudden move towards the center line. The car did not swap ends but was sideways for a good 400 feet. The driver almost got the car straightened out but the left rear quarter section smacked the left retaining wall (speed unknown) very hard. There was severe damage to the quarter section and and unknown amount of damage to the carbon fibre chassis tub. I'm sure that there may be some that doubt the story so I will show you this photo of a piece that I found on the track.

Im hosting this picture on my server for you guys to see that it is clearly the F1 LM.

http://www.exoticcarsite.com/DSC00392.jpg

the service and brake job was surely done along with the sale of the F1 LM to Ralph Lauren, which explains why the brakes were done.

Amazing, not only have we discovered that Frank has sold the F1 LM, but also 2 weeks ago, it is now in need of repair due to a 400ft fishtail down a drag strip as apart of its service by Ralph Lauren.

Amazing!

I don't know if you guys are going to love me or hate me though, but either way, I've made history :)

I don't know if you guys are going to love me or hate me though, but either way, I've made history :)

well "made history" is a bit much. you did find out some new news. ill give you that much

Yeah, I would say the driver who backed the car into the wall was the one who made the history here. :uhoh:

I would like to see a picture of the car itself to see how much damage it sustained. 900ft down a 1320ft 1/4 mile track probably had the speed of the car close to or even above 100mph for sure. I can only imagine that the car does not look good and that's certainly not the end of the car you want to take that kind of hit.

The LM lacks the rear silencer of the road cars which was designed in such a way that it could also act as a sort of crumple zone in a rear accident to absorb some of the forces before they reached the gearbox and engine.

I feel very bad hearing this news, but I can't imagine how Mr Lauren felt when he received the call or Mr Selldorff for that matter. :(

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If you have a McLAren LM, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SELL IT!!!
If you can afford to buy it, then keep it for gods sake!!! Some quotes as " I will never sell my LM" comes popping up in my brain......why Frank.....WHYYYYY!!!!

Don't tell me it's about the "good" price, thi car will only increase in value!

sad news

$2.75 is it worth that much more that a road going GTR does this mean no more excellent photos and also how do you repare a damaged carbon fiber tub as new. They shatter like glass dont they? So Lauren now has 3.

Ralph was heard to say shortly after he received the news, " Uh-Oh, better get Maaco".

Maaco? eh?

Thorst lets not be to quick to jugde sometime we all have to do things we dont like for whatever reason. Can someone likn to the outher forum itll take me forever to find it that a new site for me.

So let me get this straight. Mr Selldorff, who said he would never sell the LM, has sold it to Ralph Lauren for 2.75mil. I don't get it. I need more proof that he sold it.

Looks like McLaren will be picking up the tab on this one...good thing, as RL wouldn't be able to afford it!!!!!

So let me get this straight. Mr Selldorff, who said he would never sell the LM, has sold it to Ralph Lauren for 2.75mil. I don't get it. I need more proof that he sold it.

Chris - check your PMs.

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Can somebody plese link me to this outher thread plese? Pheloton somebody?

Anybody know if 007 is the secound black car taylor and crawley have been offering for a long time now?

This is the most important news of McLaren240!'s life. Somebody please link him before he has a complete meltdown.

So let me get this straight. Mr Selldorff, who said he would never sell the LM, has sold it to Ralph Lauren for 2.75mil. I don't get it. I need more proof that he sold it.I feel we need more proof than word-of-mouth information to believe this extraordinary series of events.

Mr. Selldorff appears to like his F1 and F1 LM...why would he want to sell them? Was he strapped for cash? Did Ralph Lauren make him an offer he can't refuse? Did he get bored of having two of the world's rarest cars?

There was a thread a few weeks back that claimed the LM had been sold, and it was played off as a joke. Was it really a joke? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=328714&highlight=sold

There was also a thread with tons of professionally (or semi-professionally) done images of the LM a few months ago. Were they used to sell the car, or were they part of a scrap-book?

There's only a couple people who know the answer to these questions, and I'd rather hear them from the source than from what so far seems to be just an internet rumor.

Mr Selldorff, Drewtms and Mr. Bernoulli have been strangely inactive over the past couple of months.

Can somebody plese link me to this outher thread plese? Pheloton somebody?

I don't have the link to the other thread. Like I said, I went looking for it in all the obvious places I could think of and found nothing. I asked ExoticCarSite to share the link but he hasn't so far.

This is the most important news of McLaren240!'s life. Somebody please link him before he has a complete meltdown.

Be nice... :disappoin I'm just as eager to see it, even if it provides no additional information.

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I can't belive Frank has changed his mind so drastically about these cars that he wish to sell them....must be a crisis of some kind....?


Something's not right here, it's gotta be some info somewhere!

F1 Monster - You make me laugh, love your sarcasm you evil man. :iceslolan

O i hand the meltdown years ago. But am busting to find out where this came from.

While in search of more info, I did find this - a chair inspired by Ralph Lauren's McLaren F1:

http://www.classicdriver.com/upload/images/_de/2610/img01.jpg

Inspired by the streamlined beauty of his own McLaren F1 race car, Ralph Lauren leads design into a new age of technology and beauty with the introduction of the RL-CF 1 chair. Formed from the same high tech fiber that shapes Formula 1 race cars, this sleek chair features fifty-four layers of tissue carbon laid by hand to form a dramatic cantilevered frame which supports a chic black leather seat and back.

The RL-CF1 chair was introduced in Fall 2003 and as part of an initiative to continue to use carbon fiber in his home collection. Mr. Lauren introduced the dining version of this chair, shown upholstered in Chocolate Tottenham Suede, as well as an occasional table featuring Crotch Blond Mahogany for Fall 2004. Both pieces exhibit the cantilevered frame of the RL-CF1 chair, again mixing this modern material with a classic furnishings material.

In addition to these items, a more traditional occasional table, the Halton Carbon Fiber end table where three wafer thin carbon fiber legs support a round disk of rich macassar ebony, was introduced in Fall 2003.

The designer is quoted as saying "I think of this chair as a modern classic. My original inspiration for the chair and my interest in carbon fiber came from my own McLaren race car. I am especially proud of the high level of craftsmanship and the streamlined beauty this chair possesses. The use of interesting materials and concepts from engineering add an element of excitement and I will continue to use carbon fiber in my designs for the home."

Text/Photos: Polo Ralph Lauren

Not the info we were looking for (obviously), but interesting nonetheless.

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Hang on race car! Is this now 4 for Lauren?

I wouldn't read to far into that "race car" comment. Seems like something that would be written by someone who isn't terribly familiar with the car.

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Haha...that awful chair has nothing to do with a McLaren in my opinion.
RL is a dated designer and has nothing to show anymore.

What a crock that chair is--slap a RL sticker on it and suddenly it's art. Yeah right. $10 grand or something ridiculous to park your butt. No wonder he can afford a McLaren or two (or three--well, almost three, heheheh).

And I love the way he calls his roadcar(s) race cars.

No wonder he can afford a McLaren or two (or three--well, almost three, heheheh).


Haha the proud owner og 2 magnificant F1's and 1/2 LM!!!

Poor guy, wrecked the coolest car in the world and is out of style generally.

I'm sorry, I'm gonna stop now... :evillol:

ok guys, I'm sorry to have to di this, but I have to close and delete this thread at the request of the guy from the emails.


I have promised to return all scraps to the car owner.
They were on the phone with us today raising holy hell with my bosses.
I had no idea that the information I posted yesterday was to be kept confidential.
I started a storm of shit that will probably cost me my job. I should have known better. If at all possible, could you delete the thread that I started and keep yesterdays email from me between ourselves? I'm sure that this info will get out eventually anyway.
It would be greatly appreciated and maybe I will be able to keep my job.
Thank you


So, in a few hours time I am going to close this thread, but I'll leave it up long enough for Peloton / Mini magic etc to see

Thanks for saving it for a few hours. I can sign off on it. I understand the privacy etc I really don't understand why some owners want these things to remain so private but thats not for me to say.

Thanks for sharing anyway

yeah, seconds on that. nice bit o gossip to chew on. thanks.

You think this is bad...you should see the paranoia when a "significant" Ferrari is crashed. They drape it and cover it up like it's something sacred. A couple of years ago, a Ferrari F50GT got crashed at Sears Point and the retards scurried around making sure no one could take pictures to post pictures on the web. They were especially concerned about them appearing on WreckedExotics.com.

They were up on that site shortly anyways. I don't care about crashes too much, but I make a point of taking an obscene number of pictures whenever someone tells me not to--the BMW M3 and Ferrari owners are the worst.

Just thought I'd slip this in before the mods shut it down.

I'll leave the thread up and as Moderator, Peloton can delete it when he feels necessary.

You think this is bad...you should see the paranoia when a "significant" Ferrari is crashed. They drape it and cover it up like it's something sacred. A couple of years ago, a Ferrari F50GT got crashed at Sears Point...

The F50GT is sacred.

While that incident is certainly not a secret(there are photos of it on other forums), and it's also not the only time that F50 has been crashed, you are talking about a car that is ~$1,000,000 and #1 of 3. Hmm...kind of like an F1 LM being crashed, except there are less F50GTs than LMs ...

So, is it better to cover the car after the crash, or ruin someone's employment b/c s/he posted info about a crash on the internet?


Greg A

Don't be retarded. Only small-minded, petty people threaten loss of employment over the posting of pictures on the internet. If they were not violations of privacy or law, then there is nothing wrong with taking or posting such pictures. Covering it up serves no purpose, especially when it's common knowledge to begin with.

Most likely, in this case, some minions of RL decided it might affect the resale value of the car, so they got on the horn with the employer of our "informant" and threatened to hurt his business--employer got scared and decided to take it out on him. Trust me, if he gets fired, he has every right to sue and get a few years' wages out of his gutless employer.

There is also the possibility that our "informant" is not telling us the whole truth ie. he is actually in trouble for keeping the carbon fibre bits. That could be theft, and he could be getting in trouble for that...not something he would want to publicize, I am sure.

And no, a Ferrari F50GT, or 250GTO, or Bugatti Royale, or McLaren F1 LM, are not sacred. They are special and unique and awesome (and because of that, horribly expensive for the average person), but if you worship them or lose sight of other priorities, then you are either a fool or just immature.

1. I'm not being retarded
2. It would be nice if you would carry on a civil discussion without resorting to name calling.
3. Do you know the person's terms of employment? I don't. How can you reliably determine whether or not this person would have a legitimate basis for a lawsuit against the employer without any knowledge of the contracts involved?
4. Small minded boss or not, losing a job is still losing a job--if that really happens.

Even though your description of the cars comes shockingly close to one of the definitions of sacred, I'll accept that you don't see them that way. But I'd bet that the three people who originally paid $1mil+ for them probably do. We will just have to disagree on this, unless you look up the definition of sacred and change your mind...

Greg A

Well that was pretty frank... :lol:

I don't really know where to begin. I see both sides of the coin in a way, but I certainly don't see what good would come from sweeping this thread under the rug for anyone. The info is out there, I'm certainly not going to forget what I read here relayed from our mystery source, nor the info I found on the Subaru forum in reference to the sale of the LM. I have no doubt at this point that this story has a very high probability of being completely accurate, and the only way I'd consider removing it is if the info could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be completely false. Unfortunately I find this particular photo to be rather convincing of the truth:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/DSC00392.jpg

I see this entire situation as a piece of the continuing history of the McLaren F1 and I strongly feel it belongs here. That's why I am here, that's why I do my best to ensure we always have the best info available and I should hope that others share that desire with me.

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1. I'm not being retarded
2. It would be nice if you would carry on a civil discussion without resorting to name calling.
3. Do you know the person's terms of employment? I don't. How can you reliably determine whether or not this person would have a legitimate basis for a lawsuit against the employer without any knowledge of the contracts involved?
4. Small minded boss or not, losing a job is still losing a job--if that really happens.

Even though your description of the cars comes shockingly close to one of the definitions of sacred, I'll accept that you don't see them that way. But I'd bet that the three people who originally paid $1mil+ for them probably do. We will just have to disagree on this, unless you look up the definition of sacred and change your mind...

Greg A

Neither you nor I know the terms of employment. So why debate it? It's a pointless discussion. You presented one side of it. I presented the other, far more logical one (IMO). I think we should drop it at this point. Things will play out in due course. I am sure of this--if posting some pictures on the internet, which has nothing to do with the terms of his employment, is the reason for his dismissal, then he has grounds to sue. You disagree. Fine.

I don't know where you are. But here in the US, the job market is strong. If the job is indeed so repressive, then it is probably for the best if it ends. Mind you, we are not the ones who have a hand in that. It is only the informant and his employer, and the other parties exerting pressure on the employer. So I have no guilty feelings about this. Trying to censor a few sites on the internet, when the same content is spreading everywhere else at lightspeed, is retarded.

As you must know, for the vast majority of McLaren owners, $1 million is not a significantly large sum. Many of them own other cars that are worth more. Some of them have spent more money on other objets d'art at the same time that they were acquiring the F1. So, by your own criteria, it is not sacred to them.

My point was simply that calling them sacred implies worshipping them as you would worship, or pay respect to, holy things or to God. That is, I think, a retarded (and unhealthily obsessive) attitude. Sorry if that offended you as much as the idea of these things being sacred (God-like) offends me. Maybe there's other definitions of sacred. I can't be arsed to look them up. You can PM me if you want to carry on this discussion.

Now back to our regularly scheduled gawkfest. That 24 heures du mans bit of carbon fibre--it's off the rear wing, innit? How much could you get on eBay for that--I want to buy it for McLaren240i!!!! :D


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Trying to censor a few sites on the internet, when the same content is spreading everywhere else at lightspeed, is retarded.

Exactly - there is no way to pull it back in once its out in the public domain like this. It's a truly wasted effort.

You can PM me if you want to carry on this discussion.

Sounds like a wonderful idea - lets keep the comments on the forum focused and productive. :thumbsup:

Now back to our regularly scheduled gawkfest. That 24 heures du mans bit of carbon fibre--it's off the rear wing, innit?

It most certainly is - a wing endplate - and only an LM would have one with that information engraved into it. It's one of the unique features of the LM setting it apart from every converted GTR or high dowforce kitted F1 that I have ever seen.

How much could you get on eBay for that--I want to buy it for McLaren240i!!!! :D

Wow, you really are too kind. ;) :lol2:

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Chris - check your PMs.

Now now Erik, I trust that if you have any new info, you wont hesitate to share it with the rest of us...right?

Exactly - there is no way to pull it back in once its out in the public domain like this. It's a truly wasted effort.

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FYI, I have already archived this entire thread and am continuing to do so as the discussion progresses. The info will always be available if we need it.

Now now Erik, I trust that if you have any new info, you wont hesitate to share it with the rest of us...right?


I had exactly the same thought, but unfortunately I'm less optimistic than you

Now now Erik, I trust that if you have any new info, you wont hesitate to share it with the rest of us...right?

It's not really 'new' info - it's old info from about two months ago that helps confirm (for me at least) that the story of Mr Selldorff's LM being sold is indeed true. It was very briefly posted here in the forum by a member, and then shortly after the entire thread was deleted by that user. I'm not sure if anyone else saw the thread for the short time it was here - no one had replied to it - but as the Moderator, I was still able to see it even after the user had removed it. There weren't a lot of details really - I just inferred from the post that the car was leaving or being sold. This came after the 'spoof ad' for the LM had appeared on the Turner Motorsport website, so I took it with some caution as well.

After seeing the deleted thread I sent an inquiry to that user who posted it via PM asking for more details. I never received a response back and I never pursued it further. I don't really like to be a burden on anyone. Typically I will ask someone for info one time and if they chose to respond, then great. If not, then it's probably not something they are willing or able to share and I can understand that. In the world of the McLaren F1 I have found that people like to share their story when they can (or think they can) and even if they don't, it seems that the info always comes out eventually through another source anyway. I'm very eager to learn, but I am also rather patient as well.

Obviously there are multiple eyes on this forum who could confirm or deny this entire situation if they chose to, but so far none have come forward. I'm sure they have their reasons and I can certainly respect that. I was thinking that the only way I would not believe it were true would be to see a picture the LM sitting in the Turner Motorsports showroom with a copy of today's Boston Herald placed on the hood. I'm confident though we won't be seeing that photo.

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Thanks, Peloton, for not being pushy with the owners or with people who have inside knowledge. Some of the younger folks on here could learn a great deal from the superb example(s) you set. You're a great choice for mod, and I mean this in the best possible way. How do you do that thumbs up icon? :)

Somewhat unrelated, but I was in a Dauer Porsche the other day. It's a scary car. And the owner's brother used to own a McLaren--a GTR.

I had exactly the same thought, but unfortunately I'm less optimistic than you

For the record - I take offense to this comment as I have in the past when you've made similar ones. :disappoin I'm not sure at what point I rubbed you the wrong way, but it seems quite rude when there really isn't another person here who consistently contributes new things to this forum as frequently as I do. I regularly pass things along as soon as I know them or am able to and there is hardly ever anything that I keep to myself unless I am specifically requested to do so.

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Take the "f1 in Melbourne (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=367291)" thread for instance - I didn't keep the original photo of the car in the showroom to myself because I am selfish or greedy. I was asked by the person who so generously shared it with me not to pass it along to anyone else. I respect those requests each and every time they are made of me. When I added this reply (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2855900&postcount=16) later in the thread I had been told the owner's name and I included it in my post, but shortly after I was asked by the source to remove it if I was willing. I had no problem doing that as again, I knew the info would come out through another source and in less than a day it had.

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Earlier today when I sent Chris that PM, I wasn't sure if I wanted to add those details to this thread, but given the questions so many here seem to have I thought it would be useful.

Malka very courteously asked and in my reply that followed I have shared as much of the story as I feel comfortable doing publicly. I don't feel that calling someone out or directly quoting what they wrote and removed is necessarily appropriate so I won't say anything more.

Rather inconveniently you stuck your reply in while I was composing mine, but I didn't give Chris much more info than you see above in my reply. The fact that he and I go back on this quest for McLaren info to before I even began posting here is the only reason I chose to tell him first.

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Plese let this tread stay! Pheloton can you direct me to where you found the damaged wing photot and where can i find the damaged f50 pics? Prehaps the Turner ad wasnt a joke after all...

The damaged wing photo came from the first page of this very thread in this post (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2855291&postcount=12). It is showing up as a Red X for me and probably everyone else, but if you copy the URL and paste it into a new browser window the image will show up. I rehosted it so that it would appear in my post.

For shots of the damaged F50 GT1 I'd suggest Google to start and then WreckedExotics.com, as well as FerrariChat.com if you are willing to dig around over there for a while.

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P.S.: There's never been an 'h' in my screenname. ;)

Soory about the h. I though the red x would be the same as the outher pic! shows you what i know. Out of intrest what is Peloton mean?

Can understand the desire to keep these things quite presumibly a crash is not recorded in the cars service histroy? Thoug if the tub iis smashed the only thing i could think is that they put a patch over it but that would be fairly easy to spot i imagen.

Groan...!

Ever heard of Booble? No? Ok then, try Google.

Can understand the desire to keep these things quite presumibly a crash is not recorded in the cars service histroy? Thoug if the tub iis smashed the only thing i could think is that they put a patch over it but that would be fairly easy to spot i imagen.

A significant crash, ie. one requiring chassis repair, is always supposed to be recorded in the car's history. McLaren are meticulous in their documentation and include colour photographs in their logs. You should see the details they sent over on a certain car my boss showed an interest in. One of these days, I am gonna scan that in. Peloton, others who post pics, quick question: You have to have the pictures hosted somewhere else first, right? You can't paste them into your posts here, right?

In England, this could well be a category D crash, which would necessitate the retiring of the chassis number ie. the car could not be put back on the road. Considering that other badly damaged F1s got repaired, and the rarity of this car, I am sure it will be roadworthy again. As long as British insurance companies are not involved, it should just be a matter of repairing it and shipping it back.

I get the feeling McLaren is in the uncomfortable position of having to pick up the tab on this one if it was being tested before being delivered to our favourite chair and sweatshirt designer. Too bad.

I don't believe fixing it will be quite that simple. I would think they will cut into the carbon fibre tub in the intact/undamaged areas at existing join lines and bond new pieces in places there. Or, they might just use the one spare chassis tub that they have. Depending on how "sold" the car was, who was driving it, who the driver was employed by, what he was told to do and actually did, and what the communications from McLaren were and how they were interpreted, there might be some vicious litigation before the car gets repaired and the bills get paid.

I get the feeling McLaren is in the uncomfortable position of having to pick up the tab on this one if it was being tested before being delivered to our favourite chair and sweatshirt designer. Too bad.

I don't believe fixing it will be quite that simple. I would think they will cut into the carbon fibre tub in the intact/undamaged areas at existing join lines and bond new pieces in places there. Or, they might just use the one spare chassis tub that they have. Depending on how "sold" the car was, who was driving it, who the driver was employed by, what he was told to do and actually did, and what the communications from McLaren were and how they were interpreted, there might be some vicious litigation before the car gets repaired and the bills get paid.


A crashed car is a crashed car! It will never be the same again!
I would be very suspicious if buying this as the car has lost some og it's genuinity and it's no longer the ORIGINAL state it was in. :eek:

They will of cause be able to fix it perfectly, but still...mmmm it's not the same car anymore... :grinno:

One things for sure, this will be expensive as there is no way they can fix that without changing vital body parts.

"I WILL NEVER SELL MY LM", I'm so..... :disappoin

Yer but you have to replace bits on any car they ware out fender benders and so on what would worry me is that the car has probily lost structural integraty a second crash like that would be bad real bad.

O and in a rare step i read Monsters outher post so Peloton is a sheep farmer bulgarian i think it said or a cancer resurcher or a... O yes and just the outher day i went for a ride with my boss Marvin the Marsion he had a giant cannon and i went flying throug the univers where i meat amoungst outhers Elivs Capten Kerk and had tea with the lockness monster. You should see the trip report.

SO this thread isn't going to be closed?

Dude, you really need to learn how to spell.

AF should add a Spell Checker hack like at Jabbas world forums, just for you.

I agree belive me i do try. I suffer from it pritty bad.

as long as your an F1 enthusiast, theres no dramas though :)

I didn't give Chris much more info than you see above in my reply. The fact that he and I go back on this quest for McLaren info to before I even began posting here is the only reason I chose to tell him first.

Thanks, appreciate that. I remember when i first started that "Locations of Mclarens in the US" thread. Those were the good ol' days...

Anyway, i think all the info on this subject has come out. Why not close this thread for everyone's sake.

Yer but you have to replace bits on any car they ware out fender benders and so on what would worry me is that the car has probily lost structural integraty a second crash like that would be bad real bad.

O and in a rare step i read Monsters outher post so Peloton is a sheep farmer bulgarian i think it said or a cancer resurcher or a... O yes and just the outher day i went for a ride with my boss Marvin the Marsion he had a giant cannon and i went flying throug the univers where i meat amoungst outhers Elivs Capten Kerk and had tea with the lockness monster. You should see the trip report.

If you fix things by patching them up, or straightening out bent parts, then they lose structural integrity. If you replace them with new parts, assembled or mounted in the same way as the original parts, the original structural integrity is still there. Because the new parts have the same structural integrity as the previous new parts. And the structure has the same integrity as when it was originally assembled.

You can't straighten out carbon fibre like you can steel or alumninium. McLaren doesn't "fix" its cars. It makes them new again. So rest assured, when this F1 LM gets back on the street, it will be worth every single penny of its original value, and though it will have a crash in its history, it won't detract from its value. Market perception (and price) might be different because of people's mentality, but anyone who picks this car up for a discount will be getting a steal. It will be reconstructed exactly as it originally was and it will be as valuable as it originally was.

I don't get your comment about Peloton being a sheep farming Bulgarian--is that a dig at me or at Peloton?

Funny how you claim to have me on ignore, yet you comment on most of my posts. Do me a favour, cupcake, and put me back on ignore. For real this time.


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Those were the good ol' days...

To late im here now. Anybody want to have a stab at the T&C black car being 007.

as long as your an F1 enthusiast, theres no dramas though.

Thanks i apreciate that makes me feel eaiser especially as somebody else cant put ther ignorance to one side.

Ohhhh my lord...that is the greatest car in the history of the world. Crunched. And by Ralph Lauren of all people. He had better keep that puppy in the same spotless condition Frank did.

Thanks, Erik, for the full information.

I guess if the car really has been sold, we've seen the last of those great pictures by dugmar. :( It sure didn't sound like the car had been sold when Frank came in a few days ago....

its all so so sad no more pics info....sob sob.

Info i recieved today:

"Yes, the car has been sold to RL. It was damaged in NJ. Some slight rear damage, bent control arm, bent tailpipes, not a major impact more like a fender bender. The car has been sent to Mclaren for repair."

Sounds like the tub is fine. Thats a relife. Hang on a minute the rear wing was smashed dosent sound to minor to me.

just another picture of lm03 before the crash, has anyone seen this picture before?
http://exoticspotter.com/list.php?action=next&model=all&make=all&batch=bt00028/bt00028_25390.JPG&location=all&frm=batch_listing&page=0

I've either seen it there or from one of the Turner crew.

Still waiting for 'crashed' photos. My bet is we will never see them though.

>8^)
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"I wil never sell my LM"!

"I wil never sell my LM"!

NEVER say never ;-)

But you can't forget, he can do what he want with HIS car.
We all dream to own a McLaren here. As, I think, all the owners of such car.
But there is always one Mclaren for sale somewhere in the world !

Maybe he didn't want to sell it, but was forced to do it ...

Anyway he makes someone happy => Ralph Lauren

"What they're worth is what someone is willing to pay. For example, I bought the LM because it was available and I wanted it, thinking it might be the only opportunity I would ever have to own an original LM. I paid a HUGE premium over my other F1's. Since I will NEVER sell it, what is it worth?"

I doubt Frank changed his attitude, which means something happened against his will. That sucks, and I feel bad for him.

Things happen people opinions change with time whatever im shore he had his reasons these no point is speculating. If he wants us to know why im shore he will let us know untill then these no point in bashshing or speculating shit happens as they say.