Thorst, they experimented with a Ferrari Boxer V12. They ended up using a custom-designed V8 (based on a Ford racing block bottom end) for four reasons:
1. It's easier to package,
2. With forced induction, they could get the same power outputs from a V8 as from a V12,
3. It was cheaper,
4. It was readily available and Ford were amenable to the licensing proposal, whereas Ferrari/other exotic manufacturers were not.

The gemstone (lapis lazuli) is a symbol of Sweden--you get two Swedish jewels for your money, the car and the gemstone. It's just an acknowledgement of the country of birth, if you will.

Yeah, that would be a cool scale model to have.

When are they planning to do the acceleration tests?

Thorst, they experimented with a Ferrari Boxer V12. They ended up using a custom-designed V8 (based on a Ford racing block bottom end) for four reasons:
1. It's easier to package,
2. With forced induction, they could get the same power outputs from a V8 as from a V12,
3. It was cheaper,
4. It was readily available and Ford were amenable to the licensing proposal, whereas Ferrari/other exotic manufacturers were not.

The gemstone (lapis lazuli) is a symbol of Sweden--you get two Swedish jewels for your money, the car and the gemstone. It's just an acknowledgement of the country of birth, if you will.

Yeah, that would be a cool scale model to have.
Flat 12 :wink:

Yeah, it's a flat twelve...a 180-degree V!

You got me! :naughty:

zx4000: for some reason I can't send pm's so the anwer to your question is no -better ask someone else.

post #17 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2851826&postcount=17): Im not saying the Koenigsegg is better. Im saying it is faster in standard form.


post #22 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2852095&postcount=22): Wow, so that speed was actually not a 100% original McLaren F1? It was taped up as well as wipers removed? :grinno: That makes the Koenigsegg recored even more impressive :biggrin:


post #32 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2853204&postcount=32): Well, then the achevied top speed could be even higher... I think it is cheating. If there isnt the option to remove anything on the options list from the factory it is not factory spec and thus not produced as a production car.

Hey Gustav- Not really trying to call you out, but I just wanted to point out something I read today that makes some of the things you have written above rather humorous to me. ;)

From an article in AutoWeek magazine on the Koenigsegg CCR speed record:

Besides the missing passenger seat, deactivated rev limiter, extensive electronic monitoring equipment, fire-fighting safety systems and full roll cage, this is a stock CCR.

Just thought it was funny that the F1 was criticised for being non-standard and apparently Koenigsegg used a similar 'trick' to get their name in the record books. :grinno:

Here's the link to the full article for anyone who's interested:

http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=102363

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I just read that article today while looking up the monocoque of the original GT40. When I saw I was thinking "That doesn't sound very 'uninterrupted' to me." They also had the sequential tranny that isn't availible yet on the production CCR.

Hmm interesting with the revlimiter.

Koenigsegg visit:

http://www.m5board.com/articles.php?id=34&page=5

Start of the trip with the new M5:

http://www.m5board.com/articles.php?id=34

It doesn't matter if they disabled the rev limiter because it reached 242mph at around 6800rpm which is nowhere near the rev limit...I can't wait till they take it to a long straight track where they predict it will hit around 250mph

I saw you post that on another forum as well. How can you be so sure of this? I have not seen any kind of data to support your statement following their speed test. Do you have something to back that up with?

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That is easy, it revs out over 400 km/h with standard rev limiter... Calculate on gearing.

Give the car credit, but in the long run, this car and this company hav miles to go before they can relax and say that they have done something. Simply put, those who know cars, true racers and drivers have stated unequivically that there is only one true supercar...McLaren F1. There are other cars but they are all measured by the same bar. Set by GM and the crew. :iceslolan :grinyes:

I saw you post that on another forum as well. How can you be so sure of this? I have not seen any kind of data to support your statement following their speed test. Do you have something to back that up with?

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Here it is

"The constant turning motion of the car creates extra friction on the tires. This extra friction overcomes the extra horsepower that was needed for further acceleration. The maximum speed was reached at around 6790 rpm, which is not equivalent to the maximum hp level, which is at a higher rpm."

Sorry I didn’t read all 9 pages but did anyone see in the EVO mag UK feb 2005 where 9ff 9F v400 got 388kph? And said that they were going to try for faster. Ill try an scan if anyone is interested.

Sorry I didn’t read all 9 pages but did anyone see in the EVO mag UK feb 2005 where 9ff 9F v400 got 388kph? And said that they were going to try for faster. Ill try an scan if anyone is interested.

It's really a non-issue - the 9ff is a modified car no matter how you slice it - not a production car. If we're factoring in modified cars, the Callaway Sledgehammer did 254.76mph (~410kph) all the way back in 1989 and I am sure there are other modified cars that are capable of something even higher.

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It's really a non-issue - the 9ff is a modified car no matter how you slice it - not a production car. If we're factoring in modified cars, the Callaway Sledgehammer did 254.76mph (~410kph) all the way back in 1989 and I am sure there are other modified cars that are capable of something even higher.

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Ahh yes my bad for some reason I thought they were like RUF where they had there own vin and that the car's were production and not modified cars.

They do have their own VINs and they are like RUF. But it doesn't change the fact that they start off with a Porsche body and chassis. No matter how much tweaking they do, it will be a modified, tuned Porsche.

They do have their own VINs and they are like RUF. But it doesn't change the fact that they start off with a Porsche body and chassis. No matter how much tweaking they do, it will be a modified, tuned Porsche.

Well then in at least my eye's and the government who issued a VIN to them it is a production car though I think they should use 100% there own part's its not fair to count them out because there using another company's frame. Company’s trade platforms all the time though usually within there own family that's pretty much what there doing right now. Now if there is a minimum production number that they don’t match I could understand that. In like leman's your car can’t compete in GT more then a year or to unless you make so many. I’m not trying to start anything but it seams unfair if they have gone through what they need to be a manufacturer.

It's really a non-issue - the 9ff is a modified car no matter how you slice it - not a production car. If we're factoring in modified cars, the Callaway Sledgehammer did 254.76mph (~410kph) all the way back in 1989 and I am sure there are other modified cars that are capable of something even higher.

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ERNot to mention that cars like the Porsche 962, Sledgehammer Vette, Koenigsegg, etc., need significantly higher horsepower (150-220 more hp) to reach the same speed (+ or - a few mph) that the F1 is capable of.

Samurai, it is not enough to "seem" like something on paper. There is an accepted understanding of the word "manufacturer", and there's the legal definition, which means you have filed the necessary paperwork and ...sigh, forget it. Just do a search, you will find that this has been discussed before.

If you want to think of them as a manufacturer, that's cool. Feel free.

Well I guess it doesn’t matter what we think only the organization that say's who the fastest car is.

Chiming in here - I understand the RUF situation too, but I still consider them a tuner and not a true manufacturer.

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BMW M6:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=1

That M6 has one nasty trunk.