Thought i might push my luck by starting a new thread in fact im tempted to start 2... Latest news is that the Veyron prototypes have done 0-60 in 2.8 and 248+MPH (400kph) and £700000 so prehaps weight has been cut power uped? Its due to lunch in september and circa 300 are to be built (do you think theyll sell that many?) over 5-6 years. There will be a convertable version for that 248mph bleeding scalp sensation. The power to weight ratio therefore presumabily excedes that of are beloved F1 so the king is dead long live the king? light weight or extrodenary power which would you prefeuear? Which is the greatest?

If Pheloton 25 whishis he can drop this thread else where and that i will abide by but im intrested to know what you guys think and why.

Sorry my bad i made the poll public to stop mutaple votes but that not posable is it so if a moderator whises to make it private feel free sorry.

Bugger wish id done this before....
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=213701

http://www.fast-autos.net/bugatti/1843.jpg

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http://www.fast-autos.net/mclaren/f1.jpg

U knew this thread was coming let the debate begin!!!

your asking people to choose between the mclaren f1 and the Bugatti Veyron, on a mclaren f1 forum?

:S

How many years has it taken Bugatti to develop a fully functioning prototype?

Nothing about that car makes it superior to the McLaren F1...well, except for its massive weight, questionable appearance, unnecessarily complex engine and dodgy aerodynamics.

Greg A

To be honest - the Bugatti could trounce every performance figure set by the F1 and I still wouldn't favor it over the McLaren F1. Simple as that...

>8^)
ER

speed is great! Bottom line its meant to go fast not TURN! therefore it sucks. I wont believe it can hit those speeds till I see it. The only 3 cars that are worthy or 220 plus are the Mclaren F1/lm,Enzo & the S7 TT/S7SC

Well, the Bugatti has not shown s¤¤¤ yet!
It's the production car that counts!
Every car company can make an awesome prototype!
The Veyron is a historical autopiece in the way that it's gonna flop bigtime!
That car were gonna see in sept. is faaaaar from the prototypes shown earlier!

How is it going to be far different from the prototype/manufacturer's claims?

The 1001 hp and air-flow problems for starters.
They had to "moderate" the engine so that the car was able to perform stable.
The car is seriously unstable at high speed and had to be equipped with special tires to withstand the weight under high speed.

The F1 will most certainly be passed in performance figures, and several vehicles as well as production cars already beat it in a number of categories: 0 to 60, 0 to 100, 0 to 100 to 0, 1/2 mile, top speed etc...

The question you should be asking is whether or not the Veyron be superior to the F1 as an overall package. The F1 didn't become the "king" of supercars just by being fast, and the Veyron won't get that title simply by being faster than the F1.

Of course if you mean "king of top speed" then everything I've said is irrelevant, but since you ask "which is the greatest" I'll still say the F1 because the Veyron has yet to prove itself to be a better package.

the Veyron has yet to prove itself to be a better package.

It already did prove it self.... @ la guna seca lol.

But yea the F1 is a DRIVERS CAR as opposed to the veyron which is just some guys rich thrill go fast car like lambo's what a similarity there based from the same people hmmm. The cars that I know of (very few but sad) the are meant for drivers and not rich show offs are the Mclarens, Saleens , nobles, maybe the enzo (but the weight 3200 more of a lux) and of course the Koenigsegg. Thats about it.

I did have the opinion that you could not go faster than the F1 that more power would require so much more weight cooling as to actually slow the car down. These figures came as a shock to me it seams that with a new man at the helm (one who shold be fimular to us!) the Veron is coming together its a very diffrent car to the F1 in someways better in someways worse personal choses i guess. The Mc had special tires the production car is now supposed to look very close to the prototipes see auto car article in my opinoin i dont think there build 300 but time will tell. They have suposidly resolved the cooling read this elsewhere ill wait for the reviews to see how it turn the rear wing is supposed to provide "hundreads of kelows of downforce" and look at the tires! on the outher hand it ways alot in someways it would be a shame if the F1 was never suceede as that meas we might as well give up on all supercars. If these figures are true something is a mis as i cant see 500bhp per tone for the veyron which is bettered by the Mclaren i susspect that the Veyron has been on a big diet altough the twin cluch 7 speed box may explain the performance figures. Ill have c16 F1's and at leas 5 veyrons personally............

Pheloton i admire your loyalty im a bit the same with the xj220.....

Dont think the veyron is that ugley its growing on me i thought the hunduras was vial but when i saw it in the flesh it blew me away stunning. I like the wheels on this one.
http://www.fast-autos.net/bugatti/16413.jpg



Bloody hell i was expecting hoping even advantage f1 but of all the people who viewed this thread noone wast to vote for the veyron its a masica!

Me an 240 did a test here are some results on it.

www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=370690

Veyron any day...

i know there is video evidence of the record run. hopefully it'll surface soon....

F1 by far, althought the veyron is nice ass well.

F1 by far, althought the veyron is nice ass well.


Yep!

Let's see. Make sure you're in the top speed setting, Go through the checklist. Which one of the 3 settings???? Is that radiator open or is that little door shut? Hummm!:confused: Uh that's the Bugatti In the McLaren - get in and drive. :iceslolan Yes! I like that better - plus the looks (subjective). Make mine Mac. I guess saying anything anti-McLaren on this forum is like saying you're a tumble bug in a beehive.:2cents:

I have two main thoughts on this topic.

1. It is a credit to the Mac that a car such as the Bugatti has come along. The time it has taken to conceive and develop underlines what an exceptional piece of kit the McLaren is. That's not to mention the cost of the Veyron project.

2. The Veyron is in many ways what I was expecting the McLaren to have been like when it was first talked about. Expensive and sophisticated, but almost for the very sake of being those things. That the McLaren turned out to be such a classicly pure design is what has always drawn me to it.

Don

McLaren is still my all time favourite supercar followed by the Pagani, Koenigsegg and Saleen S7

there will be faster, more powerful cars than the McLaren, but none'll change the aura and amount of respect it has. I mean seriously, it took Koenigsegg and thier Ford V8 800 horsepower to match the Mac.

Koenigsegg does not have a Ford V8. Their motor is based on a Ford, but by the time they are done, only the oil pan is Ford's, if that. Their engine is derived from a Ford unit, but to call it a Ford is like saying a McLaren is a VW beause the mirrors are from VW.

lol tru, but I just had to say it because a V12's a V12, very few V8s can match a V12

For power, it's a matter of output, not cylinders.
For efficiency, it's a matter of output/liter, not cylinders.