what would win in 0-60, quarter, handling and overall performance? all stick shift

'98 Trans Am WS6
'98 Camaro SS
'93 Corvette
'96 Mustang Cobra
'00 Mustang GT
'93 3000GT VR-4
'96 3000GT VR-4

0-60: Probably the WS6 or SS, although I can see the '96 VR-4 taking this one.
Quarter Mile: Ditto.
Handling: Depends on the situation...I'm inclined to say the '93 Corvette will be the best in most situations.
Overall Performance: I'd take the Corvette, followed by the WS6, followed by the SS.

VR-4 - 0-60
WS6/SS - Q/M
WS6/SS - Handeling due to the upgraded suspension, followed by the nibleness of the 93 corvette.

^seems about right.

I raced an 02 WS6 vert and it was neck and neck. I'm not sure if it was an auto or stick, but I was expecting it to be faster. Perhaps the ragtop is considerably slower than the coup? Anywho, I haven't come across an F-bod I've lost to yet, but that was the only Ls1 f-bod i've raced.

I raced an 02 WS6 vert and it was neck and neck. I'm not sure if it was an auto or stick, but I was expecting it to be faster. Perhaps the ragtop is considerably slower than the coup? Anywho, I haven't come across an F-bod I've lost to yet, but that was the only Ls1 f-bod i've raced.

You definately need to race one with a better driver. An 02' SS is rated around 5.3-5.5 0-60, and 13.4-13.7 1/4 time.. Best Boxter-S I have seen is 5.7/14.0. Just thought I would throw in that two cents.

VR-4 - 0-60
WS6/SS - Q/M
WS6/SS - Handeling due to the upgraded suspension, followed by the nibleness of the 93 corvette.
I agree, except handling I would give to the Vette.

y do yall give great handeling to the vett its way to heavy... the 3000 GT is designed to handel i mean stock it might not be the best... but its not hard to make this thing do whatever u want it to do... and i would put it up to a heavy ass corvette any day...

You definately need to race one with a better driver. An 02' SS is rated around 5.3-5.5 0-60, and 13.4-13.7 1/4 time.. Best Boxter-S I have seen is 5.7/14.0. Just thought I would throw in that two cents.

Motor Trend has tested an 03 boxster S that got 5.3 sec 0-60's and 13.7sec in the 1/4. The older "S"s from 00-02 have slightly less power. I don't know the source of your #'s but there are plenty of boxsters posting better times. C&D just had a comparo involving the new 05 boxster s and it posted a 5.1sec 0-60 and a 13.6sec 1/4. I think some people underestimate the boxster, especially domestic muscle car lovers. The Boxster S from my experience and from the #'s posted is formidable opponent against an Ls1 F-bod and blows away LT1's(stock for stock of course).

y do yall give great handeling to the vett its way to heavy... the 3000 GT is designed to handel i mean stock it might not be the best... but its not hard to make this thing do whatever u want it to do... and i would put it up to a heavy ass corvette any day...

Man, do you do any research before posting? The 3000Gt's are some of the heaviest sports cars ever made. Your post totally contradicts itself. The VR4 3000gt's approch 4,000lbs and make the corvette feel like a feather at around 3,200lbs. They are simply overly complex with awd/aws an thus painfully heavy.

y do yall give great handeling to the vett its way to heavy... the 3000 GT is designed to handel i mean stock it might not be the best... but its not hard to make this thing do whatever u want it to do... and i would put it up to a heavy ass corvette any day...

1993 Chevrolet Corvette: 3333 lbs
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4: 3801 lbs

Please do some research before you post. The Corvette is one of the best handling cars in the world. The 3000GT VR-4 isn't bad at all, but physics certainly isn't on its side, and it's no Corvette.

From what I hear/read the SS/WS6's do handle better then the late c4 corvettes "in stock form". They handle very well considering their weight.
Then again I havent driven a c4 vette before so I cant argue about it so please correct me if I am wrong.

also, didnt the c4 vettes weight more like 3450 to 3550lb's as apose to the 3200?

3333 was the number edmunds.com gave me. Of course, it will vary depending on exact year and options, but that's a good ballpark number.

4th Gen F-body's have a solid rear axle, C4 Vettes have independent rear suspension. I have had both and handling is not a contest. The vette wins and usually weight between 3200-3400 Lbs.

John

0-60: WS6/SS
1/4: WS6/SS
Handling: Corvette
Overall: toss-up between Vette & F-Bodies

I think you all underestimate the cornering capability of the VR4. Yes its a bit heavier than the vette but there is a reason for the extra mass. Its got AWD with center differential & electronic traction controll, AWS, 16" 4 piston brakes, active areo with an overall drag coefficient of .30, electronically controlled suspension, Limited slip rear differential, 245/40R18 Z rated tires, and don't forget that 12 second passes are not unheard of with just a $20 boost controller. Its up there with the vette.

i still woulnt put it up to a an SS/ws6 or a vette though...I tried to look at what class they compete in in soloII, says they compete in F-stock. Rest of the cars we are talking about all compete in A-stock.

FormulaLt1, have you driven an ls1 SS/ws6? How would you compare them to a stock lt1 z28/formula/ta? obviously the ss/ws6 would have a better package stock(hence why they compete in A-stock instead of F-stock) but I also hear that there was a few tweaks to the suspension on the 98+ f-bodies... Not sure if thats true or not. Only 4th gen I have driven was a 00 SS T-top.

Yes, I have driven plenty of LS1's and all(LT1/LS1) SS/WS6/firehawks have suspension modifications. The LT1 stock for stock besides feeling less powerful, seems to handle almost exactly the same as LS1 IMO.

John

Heres a fact sheet motor trend published with its times for a lot of the mid 90's sports cars, as you may see the VR4 does a bit better than the vette in the slalom and skidpad backing up what I said.
http://www.team3s.com/~matthews/images/STEALTH/mt_rtr_vr4.jpg
Motor trend said tested the 00' WS6 at .84g in the skid pad and 64.6 in the slalom.
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_9912_firebird/

They both handle great but on average the C4 shows a higher lateral Acc. and skidpad numbers are usually pretty close but I would agree that they both handle better than 4th Gen F-body(which handle great for a muscle car but doesn't handle like a super car without modification).

Agreed, I love the vette the F-body and the 3000GT... I just think the VR4 gets a bad rap for being so heavy. If I didn't have the money I'd probably be getting an LT1 F-body (probably 3rd gen because of the look) instead of a VR4 later this week.

hmm, learn something new everyday I guess.

Agreed, I love the vette the F-body and the 3000GT... I just think the VR4 gets a bad rap for being so heavy. If I didn't have the money I'd probably be getting an LT1 F-body (probably 3rd gen because of the look) instead of a VR4 later this week.You do know that the 3rd Gen's did not come with the LT1 right?. They had TBI & TPI's(just to name a few) but plenty of people have done custom LT1 installs.

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