HI,

I had a ABS light on, and ABS was not working. Took it to dealer.

Had not heard about the ABS recall, and I WANT TO KNOW IF WHAT THEY DID SHOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED BY THE RECALL.

On the receipt it says:
CONCERN: customer states ABS light is on
CORRECTION: Diagnose and replace rear ABS wire harness
part number 8-97233-422-0
decription: Harness Kit
price: $43.55, labor = $210, tax = $3.59, total = $257

Was this repair suppoed to be covered by the ABS recall????

If so, how do I beg/demand for a refund?

Thanks, I'd love to get to know my 257 washingtons again!!!

I'm original owner, and the repair was done 3/20/04

SOSLTER

I think the ABS recall all they did was reflash the the ABS computer with a new ABS program. No parts.

I think the ABS recall all they did was reflash the the ABS computer with a new ABS program. No parts.

Sounds like amigo-2k says the repair was different than the recall, anyone care to say differently, I'd be happy to get money back.

I'm also conceerned they may have figures a way to charge me for the repair when it "may" have been the recall. What were te symptoms the recall was repairing, and is it possible, they charged me for a repair that might have "actually" been the recall problem???

thanks a bunch!

SOLSTER

The recall was only for the algorithm in the ABS computer. They could do this by flashing the eprom in the system or replace the module. Nothing to do with the wiring.

HI,

I had a ABS light on, and ABS was not working. Took it to dealer.

Had not heard about the ABS recall, and I WANT TO KNOW IF WHAT THEY DID SHOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED BY THE RECALL.

On the receipt it says:
CONCERN: customer states ABS light is on
CORRECTION: Diagnose and replace rear ABS wire harness
part number 8-97233-422-0
decription: Harness Kit
price: $43.55, labor = $210, tax = $3.59, total = $257

Was this repair suppoed to be covered by the ABS recall????

If so, how do I beg/demand for a refund?

Thanks, I'd love to get to know my 257 washingtons again!!!

I'm original owner, and the repair was done 3/20/04

SOSLTER

What model year did this recall cover?

98-99

EXTENDED STOPPING DISTANCE COULD RESULT, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL PROVIDE A REPLACEMENT COMPUTER ALGORITHM FOR THE ABS THAT IS BASED ON THE ALGORITHM USED IN ISUZU'S MY 2000 AND 2001 VEHICLES, WHICH HAVE NOT HAD THE PROBLEM. THIS CAMPAIGN WILL BE CONDUCTED IN PHASES, WITH THE MY 1998 2WD VEHICLES COVERED FIRST, SINCE THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THE MOST PROBLEMS. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN MARCH 20, 2003. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT ISUZU AT 1-800-643-4070.

98-99 2WD and 4WD

98-99 2WD and 4WD

Thanks

Didn't they also have an ABS recall for the 1998-? that had the *continuously* running ABS motor issue :banghead: ?

Joel

nope they never did. If the ones that had the running abs motor were lucky when it happend during their warranty, Isuzu then replaced it. If not, to bad, so sad ...

-Ryan

Wow! $210 for labor seems like an awful lot for hanging a wiring harness. My ABS light has been on for the last 18K miles, Solster. The brakes work fine -- just no ABS. I've been driving 28 years without ABS; I reckon I can continue that way.

I suspect I probably have a wiring harness issue too. There was a posting on this forum a month or so ago about how to get the CEL to flash out the ABS error code. It's just been too dang cold in MI to get out there and check mine. Supposed to be warm in KY this weekend but I've got three PC's to repair plus a 6 hour drive each way so I don't know if I will get time to do it this weekend. Rest assured that when I find out what's wrong with my ABS, I will post the info here.

JWS
99 LSE 4WD

Wow! $210 for labor seems like an awful lot for hanging a wiring harness. My ABS light has been on for the last 18K miles, Solster. The brakes work fine -- just no ABS. I've been driving 28 years without ABS; I reckon I can continue that way.

I suspect I probably have a wiring harness issue too. There was a posting on this forum a month or so ago about how to get the CEL to flash out the ABS error code. It's just been too dang cold in MI to get out there and check mine. Supposed to be warm in KY this weekend but I've got three PC's to repair plus a 6 hour drive each way so I don't know if I will get time to do it this weekend. Rest assured that when I find out what's wrong with my ABS, I will post the info here.

JWS
99 LSE 4WD


thanks wb4lbg!!!

that $210 may be a lot, what would I know. Unfortunatley, this was a repiar I did before I found this forum. BUT NOW I'M ARMED WITH ALL YOU GUYS/GALS that can back me up on a repair before I throw money at it.......thanks for all the help!!!

the only abs recall for rodeos was to replacce the abs module
$43.55 is the exact price for a fuel sending unit and $210 labor sounds about right for that job call th edealer parts dept ask fo rthe part # for your fuel sending unit see if it matches the part # you listed in your post

Where did the reference to a fuel sending unit come from???

2eyefishclaw, among others, is spot on about the ABS recall. It was supposedly an EEPROM update in the ABS computer although I have seen some mentions on this and other forums about some folks getting a whole new computer.

At any rate, the harness never had a recall to my knowledge.

And I still think $210 is pricey for hanging a wiring harness. I don't know what the going rate for shop labor is in CA but in KY that would be about 3 hours. Can't believe it would take more than 45 minutes to an hour to replace a wiring harness.

That's just my opinion.

JWS
'99 LSE 4WD

2eye mentioned fuel sending twice in his post, but maybe that was a slip and he meant wiring harness, who knows...hopefully we'll hear from him!

As for $210 for labor, again, this was before my knowing of the Rodeo Forum, so NOW I'd ask before paying without knowing what's up. That's the value of the forum, before the forum I had to ake the word of the dealer, now I have a forum to consult with!

Thanks everyone! And keep the posts coming!

What is a wiring harness anyways????

Got a warm day (57 degrees) and a few extra minutes this weekend so I finally got around to running the ABS diagnostic that was posted by LetsRodeo back in November. I said I would post my results so here are the codes I got.

52 FR Open or Shorted Sensor
62 FR Missing sensor signal/FR Sensor Signal Dropout
51 FL Open or Shorted Sensor
61 FL Missing sensor signal/FL Sensor Signal Dropout
53 Rear Open or Shorted Sensor
63 Rear Missing sensor signal/Rear Sensor Signal Dropout

I find it highly unlikely that all three sensors have gone belly up at the same time and since there are three different wiring harnesses involved, I doubt it's a wiring harness issue either. I have a wiring diagram for the ABS system and there doesn't seem to be any common wiring between these three sensors. The only thing they seem to have in common is that they all connect to the ABS module within the same connector. Maybe there is some corrosion here?

It also occurs to me that what I read are the codes stored over about 4000 miles since I installed my current battery. I guess it's possible that each of these errors could have occured independently in that span of miles. I have pulled the ABS fuse for the night to clear the computer and will test my hypothesis tomorrow by reading the codes after a short trip (to church).

I guess it is also conceivable that the computer itself is whacked. Anybody have any idea about the longevity of these things? Anybody have any other thoughts about what the problem might be?

JWS
99 LSE 4WD

For years these two lights (abs and emergency brake) come on together; and how do I fix this?

Well, I have a '99 which, from what I have read on this forum, is much different than the 93-97. On the 98+ models, the ABS computer also monitors the brake fluid level and will light the ABS light if the fluid is low.

My wife's 2000 Olds Silhouette has a similar low fluid warning. Unbeknownst to me, the rear wheel cylinders were leaking just enough to cause the Olds to slowly loose fluid and it finally got low enough to light the ABS and Brake lights. I thought I was screwed since this is my wife's car and I would have to shell out the $$ to get it fixed. I added fluid and the lights went out. Then I went looking for why the fluid was low and found the leaky cylinders. A couple of hours and $32 worth of parts later, the brakes worked like new. I have read since then that wheel cylinders were a weak point on the Venture/Silhouette/Montana line of vans.

So since GM and Isuzu have shared technology over the years, maybe your '97 'zu has a similar setup. There are lots of really sharp folks on this forum so a more definitive answer may soon be forthcoming.

Good Luck

JWS
'99 LSE 4WD

They also have a recall for an ABS coil that is performed no charge as well--I just had them both done last week.

Hello, I have been having the same types of problems with my '98 Rodeo as most people on this sight. Burning oil about a quart every 400 miles, engine knocking, and now the abs light. But the light only came on during long highway trips when I wasn't even braking. At first it would go off after I pulled into a gas station (which I never seem to pass by one in this rig) start the truck again and pull away. Now, it just stays on all the time. Does anyone know anything about this? I can't see there being a problem with the abs when I'm not even using them. Please help.
Shawn

I can't see there being a problem with the abs when I'm not even using them.
Shawn

The ABS computer monitors the individual speeds of both front wheels and the speed of the back axle. If you are braking and the speeds don't match up, the pump kicks in to pump your brakes. If you aren't braking and the speeds don't match, the ABS computer stores an error code and lights the ABS light to show you there is a problem with the system.

According to the Owner's Manual, the computer can be 'reset' by starting the truck and driving it slowly for several seconds. Check your manual for the procedure.

The codes can be read by shorting pins in the OBCII connector. Past this into the address bar on your browser to get to the procedure: http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/files/ABS%20DTC.pdf

Let us know what you find out and if/how you get it fixed.

Good Luck!

JWS
'99 LSE 4WD

Thanks for that link. The procedure in the owners manual used to work but it now just stays on. I'll check out the codes through the link you posted and find out what the problem is. Thank you.
Shawn

Thank you wb4lbj and letsrodeo. I followed the procedures of the link you sent me and the code was a 63 and 53. So it looks like I will have to replace the rear sensor. But first, I'm going to reset the codes just to see if it is a fluke. I'm driving down to Eugene, OR this weekend so I will be able to see if the light comes on or not during the trip. Thank you so much for your help. It sure did save some cash.
Shawn

So it looks like I will have to replace the rear sensor.
Shawn

Don't get your wallet out yet, Shawn. The 98 and 99 model were notorious for corrosion in the connector on the rear sensor. A bad connection could look just like a bad sensor. Try pulling the connector apart and have a look there first.

If you need a sensor, St Charles Isuzu http://isuzu.stcharlesauto.com/Department-Parts.aspx offers discount parts and free shipping.

Good Luck!

JWS
'99 LSE 4WD

Will do. Thank you very much.

9Rodeo8 you have a 4cyl rodeo?
if you do then your oil usage may be from a blown head gasket.
I just had to replace mine, I would do it quick if you can because they say these aluminum heads are very prone to cracking, and if that happens then it's an extra $425

No, it's a 3.2L V-6. It seems to be just following the same traits as most other people are having with this motor. Mostly it just burns the oil on the highway @ above 65 mph. Or, I've noticed that if I need to use the 4wd, it will burn oil as well. I'm going to follow the steps you can take in the isuzu faq, to see if that makes any difference. Because honestly, all the other additives I've put in there have not done anything about this problem.
Do you guys know where the rear abs sensor connectors are located? I was underneth the truck today, but couldn't tell if they were the connectors right above the differential connected to it, or if they were somewhere else.
Thanks for your help guys.
Shawn

The RW sensor is located on the top of the rear differential. There's a connector real close by to where it comes out. If you follow the cable from there along the driver's side frame rail, there is another connector about mid-ship. Either one of these can be the problem.

Here's a quote from another forum that gives a better description of the midship connector's location: Another common problem, the ABS light comes on intermittently. While it may be due to a real ABS problem in some, commonly the wiring harness is at fault. The rear differential sensor connector (sensor not near discs like in front), connector under rubber boot under driver's seat, and the front connectors inside engine compartment, near wheel wheel need only cleaning to stop this problem, particularly when the Dealer says "We don't see any error code for the ABS". "

Hope this helps!

JWS
'99 LSE 4WD

I have had my Rodeo (99 3.2 V6) for about a year and I went to the dealer for the first time today for an auto tranny flush. While I was waiting they told me there was some recall work that was never done to my vehicle. They said they would do it for me and it would only take an extra couple of minutes. One was the ABS, it was a new module that gets replaced. I was having issues with my stopping distance since I had this vehicle so I hope it helps. I5t actually seems to be better, but I need more time to "play" with it. Of course this was the one day in Buffalo that did not snow.

The number one thing to help the ABS on +98 Rodeo's is new shocks. New shocks help to keep the the wheels on the ground.

The number one thing to help the ABS on +98 Rodeo's is new shocks. New shocks help to keep the the wheels on the ground.

Agreed, I've read that on the various forums. That is on my list of things to do when it warms up outside. But it is good to get the internals working correctly as well because there have been a few times when my car, for no reason, did not want to stop. It was actually kind of scary to slide past a stop sign or red light. It did not happen often, but it did happen. The weird thing is I can usually tell when the problem occurs due to worn shocks, but the others, it feels like I am sliding on ice, when the ground is flat and bump free.

marc