Subwoofer Setup


Pages : [1] 2

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 07:03 PM
Alright guys ive just ordered 4 Audiobahn AW1206ts (any comments about this? FEEL FREE TO LEAVE ONE) for my ride. I was wondering what type of box should be used for the BEST BALANCE between loud as hell, and good quality. Also should the subs be mounted facing toward the box for this reason, or facing out from the box. Thnx for your help. Btw im planning to build my own custom box.

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 07:27 PM
ha i feel a comment coming on about audiobahn subs, their build/sound quality, and maybe a comment about how the blingin baskets should face out to give you an extra 6 Dbs from the bling

buut.. never heard the subs in person so i cant comment.. but youll want a ported box probably.. and just to make a suggestion.. 3-3.5 cu ft. and ported to.. i dont know maybe like 35 hz? just throwin somethin out there

hopefully you can get a couple good suggestions

Abell255
01-24-2005, 08:19 PM
good quality, as in sound quality? I've heard those....you won't get good sound quality AT ALL. They can/will get loud depending what amp and enclosure, but you should of researched before ordering. I'd feel bad if i was you. But, you will get pretty fuckin loud...so you got half of what you wanted :eek7:

bumpinstang77
01-24-2005, 08:44 PM
I used to have those subs. I hated them. Theyre a piece of shit. I say sell them for as much as you can and get somethin good. They're so unreliable. i wouldn'tput more then 600 watts to each one. Not to mention they need 3 cubes NET each ported to get goin. And they will only sound good from 40-55 hz. Everything else will sound like shit (that's w/ an audiobahn reccomended tuning of 35hz). If you wanna run these with enough room I hoe you have an suv cuz a car won't cut it.

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 08:52 PM
well i just placed it, so i can cancel within a day or two
SO what 12" subwoofers do you guys recommend and with wut amp.
BTW im not looking for those crzy 5000w competition subwoofers. Looking to spend around 600-700 on box, amp and subs, what do u guys reccomend? Is this a good budjet?

Abell255
01-24-2005, 09:25 PM
Well consider yourself lucky! You'll save yourself nights of crying....or at least when your listening to your music. lol, you should do a search on subs... you'll find tons of threads on what you need...but uhh,

How much space do you have (dimensions)?

What do you want more? SQ or spl? or SQL?

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 09:31 PM
difference between sq and sql?

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 09:36 PM
my car is a escort wagon, so got enough space, not really taken in percise measurements because i might cut out the rear 5X7 stock speackers in their housing (WASTE OF SPACE ON USELESS FORD STOCK SPEAKERS LOL)! So just looking for any subs and amplifier that will run around 600. I really wna thte system to thump, but i also wanna be able to hear the what the guy is sayin in the music lol

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 09:40 PM
yeah man glad you posted before it was too late.. youll be happy about gettin somethin else im sure..

and about 6-700 isnt too bad but it depends on what you want.. after you tell us what youre looking for and how much space you have we can make recommendations..

also, if you havent already.. check out..

resonant engineering
digital designs
adire audio
image dynamics
ascendant audio
jl audio
elemental designs

there are dozens of awesome companies that you may not know much about that are in most cases much better than mainstream subs (fosgate, audiobahn, kicker, etc)

but these are some of the most common (theyre the ones ive been looking at forever anyways) and those companies should give you a start

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 09:42 PM
posted before i saw your post...

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 09:45 PM
difference between sq and sql?

sq is just straight up sound quality.. sql is sound quality with the potential to get loud and still sound good while doin it. however, SQL doesnt come cheap.. everybody wants their stuff loud and crystal clear.. its not always easy to find a cheap sub that does this well though

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 09:59 PM
Well than im going 2 go with sql, what are the best subs and amps for me with the space i got(the escort wagon) I want atleast 2 12 subs in my car i can go to 600-700 for the whole setup, and well dont consider retail pricings, cause i get my stuff from ebay which is great and much cheaper.

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 10:08 PM
Well than im going 2 go with sql, what are the best subs and amps for me with the space i got(the escort wagon) I want atleast 2 12 subs in my car i can go to 600-700 for the whole setup, and well dont consider retail pricings, cause i get my stuff from ebay which is great and much cheaper.

well dude this is ust me but i think you should do a single 15 setup.. you will get more for your money and you will almost certainly be within one db of what you woul dhave with 2 12s (cone area of 1 15 is almost the same as cone area of 2 12s..) but i suppose this is up to you.. but generally anybody on this forum will say youll get better for the money with a 15..

and as far as ebay goes.. realize that if anything goes wrong.. youre fucked.. and you wont be able to use a fried sub or amp for anything other than a paperweight.. as ebay usually doesnt offer warranties (or if they do they basically suck and dont cover anything..)

just my personal opinions but consider em

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 10:20 PM
Well i too was thinking of getting a 15 but then again, i want to get subs for two resons, one is obviously to fell the bass, and the next is to do a custom project that looks good. Im afraid a single subs wont really cut it for looks. Im 15 and just bought my car for 800 buks. THis car is gonan be my own project. Imm going to literally do everything myself from Paint job to body modification, to whatever is imaginable. I really wanna show those rich kid with their brand new mercedes and bmws and those wannabe racers that have a fixed up civics, but theyre so clueless about it, they have to get their muffler installed by a mechanic, that theyre not soo hard. These fags see a movie like The Fast and The FUrious and think they know everyhting there is to know about cars lol. (SRRY BOUT TELLING MY WHOLE LIFE STORY HAHAHHA)So basically want want sum 12's that will look good, hit hard, and sound good. So on this note i would like to know the best BRAND and model number for my situation.

bumpinstang77
01-24-2005, 10:29 PM
I'd do two resonant engineering SE 15's (400) An elemental designs nine.1 (350) and build your own box. It will come out around 800 bucks but you will be slammin so damn hard. Where are you located?

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 10:30 PM
did you look at any of those companies? maybe check you www.reaudio.com and check out the SE series.. a couple fo these 12s and like a hifonics bx1500d would fit your price range

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 10:34 PM
Located in Glendale,CALI. SO DO theses subs give good sql or do they just hit har?

AndonD454
01-24-2005, 10:42 PM
sql.. never heard the subs.. but huge hype.. everyone who ive talked to thats owned em said they sound awesome and get very loud for the price (about 200 or less each i think)..

heres a recent post on another forum..
http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=076527

they talk about how loud the se can get (not too extensive but itll give you an idea)

but i guarantee itll sound a LOT better than the audiobahns ever would

Powerefx
01-24-2005, 10:47 PM
Aright thanks to all u guys youve been a HUGE help, glad i canceled the order lol

bumpinstang77
01-25-2005, 12:48 AM
They have GREAT sq. Don't get 2 12's get 2 15's..... almost twice as loud for not much more and you got the room.

Powerefx
01-25-2005, 01:18 AM
Where can i purchase RE products from, i checked out their site, but no way to buy their stuff? Any know retailers or sites?

threedd97
01-25-2005, 01:23 AM
Goto their contact page and e-mail or phone them. You have to purchase directly from them unless you can find one used somewhere such as Ebay.

Powerefx
01-25-2005, 01:39 AM
i tiried emailing them but it says host not found? Are they updating email or sumthing?

threedd97
01-25-2005, 02:35 AM
I got a response from them, but it took a couple of days. They told me $435 shipped for the RE 15" XXX to Biloxi, MS. I e-mailed them at Sales@REAudio.com

bumpinstang77
01-25-2005, 03:07 AM
2 se 15's = $410 shipped phone number is (702)896-4823 ED's phone # (for the nine.1) is (319)230-4129

AndonD454
01-25-2005, 07:15 PM
damn if i could afford it i would love that setup.. its WELL worth your money.. if you have the space and money (about 750 or so..)..

and youll sound better and hit harder than anyone else you know probably.

Powerefx
01-25-2005, 09:54 PM
Got to ask something else too.
Should these subs be mounted towards the box, or inside the box in a ported enclosure. And also, if there is enough space in the enclosure, is it ok to mount 6X9's on them, or will it ruin the quality of the subs?

AndonD454
01-25-2005, 10:18 PM
haha i dont think i know waht you mean.. if youre talking about mounting the 6x9s in the same inclosure as the subs then no way in hell.. that will make your subs sound like ass and it will blow your 6x9s to pieces.. the box needs to be completely sealed.. minus the port.. and yes i think you should port it. youll get some extra output. and yes keep the sub baskets inside of the box with the cones facing out.

RickwithaTbird
01-26-2005, 12:01 AM
Im surprised nobody has suggested a brahma 15". maybe because of the backorder situation? I just know that from what I have heard, I think that when I can afford to have 450$ invested in subs alone, Im getting a brahma. I know it wont be as cool to look at as 2 se 15s, but wont it be more impressive when the music is on? Not like I know, but I was just surprised nobody said that.

bumpinstang77
01-26-2005, 01:03 AM
2 se 15's>b15 in SPl WAAAAAAy better SQ will still be good too

threedd97
01-26-2005, 03:21 AM
2 se 15's>b15 in SPl WAAAAAAy better SQ will still be good too

I don't know about SQ. I think the Brahma would have the SE's on SQ. The XXX and the Brahma are on par. The XBL^2 in the Brahma would give it the better SQ than the SE, don't you think?

Powerefx
01-26-2005, 10:28 AM
What is the best battery for setup requiring lots of power. IE: Underglow, inside neons, subwoofers, amps, components, monitors and so on and so on. WHat about the optima yellow top 51 or 35 or 34 batteries? Any good?

bumpinstang77
01-26-2005, 02:22 PM
2 se 15's>b15 in SPl WAAAAAAy better SQ will still be good too

rephrase.... 2 se's>b15 in SPL WAAAAAAAy better (referring to SPL) The sq on the SE's will still be damn good to (not quite as good as the brahma)...... but plenty good enough for this dude......hell he was about to get audiobahns....... as far as ur electrical system goes...... try to get at 150 or greater amp alternator and an optima yellow top battery with all upgraded (big 3)wiring....... that means replace the following wires to 4 gauge..... alt + to batt+.... batt- to chassis ground....alt gound (usually the block itself).....to chassis ground

Powerefx
01-26-2005, 08:06 PM
What gauge power wire should i use for amp, what gauge should i use for ground for amp, what gauge speaker wire should i use for subs? Also what type of fuse box(fuse) should i use?

AndonD454
01-26-2005, 08:22 PM
prolly 1/0 guage for power and ground.. and liek 12 guage for sub wires.

and probably an ANL fuse & holder.. and fuse like 120-150 amp.. but this is if you get the bx1800d..

with the bx1500d you can get by with 4 guage power/ground and like 120 amp fuse

bumpinstang77
01-26-2005, 08:34 PM
Get a nine.1 if you can not the hifonics amps use 2 AWG power fuse should be 120 amps........ speaker wire should be 12 AWG or bigger..... 8 or 10 awg would be real good

Powerefx
01-26-2005, 09:01 PM
Is there a real bug difference between the ed nine.1 and the hifonics bx1800d? Will it make a nowtacable difference? If i get the ed nine, what guages and amps should be used with that?

Powerefx
01-29-2005, 06:23 PM
would i need to get a crossover with the hifonics bx1800 d or not?

CBFryman
01-29-2005, 10:04 PM
Bumpinstang...you F'in RE lover. GD your BS. lol.
TEMPEST/SHIVA POWER!!!!!
also Image Dynamics ID.2 series.

Tempest > SE SQ
ID > SE SQ

SPL is relative to the enclsoure. but over all IMO the ID's have best SQ followed closely by the tempests and then the SE's. but it is still very close. as for spl the SE's would be slightly louder than the ID's but the tempest bangs. i mean with proper enclosre volumes (extremely large, optimal volumes for home theatre are in excess of 200l which is over 10cuft.) the Tempest is one of the top notch Home Theatre woofer for playing infrabass frequincies that wont brake the wallet (just the foundation). you could probably get away with 2 tempests, 900-1500w, and 5-7cuft each. and have an extremely bottom heavy system. or seal them around 3 cuft each and a good 400-600w each should do (you dont exactly beed to be playing 16Hz@90dB in your car).
Tempest- $150
Shiva- $125
IDQ v.2 15"- $289
SE 15's -Aprox. $200 (depends on where you live)

Adireaudio.com
REaudio.com
ImageDynamicsUSA.com

ponchonutty
01-30-2005, 11:52 AM
Bumpinstang...you F'in RE lover. GD your BS. lol.
TEMPEST/SHIVA POWER!!!!!
also Image Dynamics ID.2 series.

......(extremely large, optimal volumes for home theatre are in excess of 200l which is over 10cuft.) ..........you could probably get away with 2 tempests, 900-1500w, and 5-7cuft each. and have an extremely bottom heavy system. or seal them around 3 cuft each and a good 400-600w.........

Man, what kind of vehicle are you planning to use with these subs, a schoolbus? Some cars don't even have 10cu/ft worth of room in the trunk. This is the main reason I feel these subs suck. They are too hard to work with in most cars unless you have a SUV or something. Then, why would you want to lose all that space?

One area that automotive subwoofers have come a long way is with the amount of space they need to run properly with. 10 years ago it was nothing to have to build 5cu/ft boxes (or larger) just for 2 12" woofers in a sealed enclosure. Now, if you need much more than 1cu/ft each is kinda big. Heck, I had one 12" CompX woofer in a .35cu/ft box that slammed real hard. Granted, it was stuffed with polyfill but it was sure funny to see the looks on peoples faces when they saw the box(it was only 5" high)!

CBFryman
01-30-2005, 12:24 PM
Im curious to know what other aspects of the tempest suck? Since after all $150 for a woofer that is capeable of reproducing frequincies that subs "10 years ago" that cost well into the 1000's could barely do. The Tempest is an engineering masterpeace. None other like it. it was originally designed as a home audio woofer. why do you thinkg it has an FS of 18hz? you make any woofer with an Fs of 18Hz with with such low q and it will crave a large enclosure. the SQ from a tempest is amazing, responce flat, and it is very SPL capeable.
THe guy said he had the room. Im not reccomending 20cuft of enclosure in his car. tis' why i said sealed. where the tempest can perform in as low as 3cuft. Just because the norm of today is weak BL, low Q, and intern to make SPL in small encosures low sensitivity, craving for high power, and loose suspension. How many other 15's do you know of with low Fs that can bottom out their suspension in a 4cuft enclosure with 400w that cost less than $200? i can think of exactly 0.
Adire is one of the leading companies in audio innovation. RE would be lost with out XBL^2. the XXX is what made RE known and the XXX just wouldnt be an XXX with out XBL....
how many other companies can create a driver capable of moving over 2" from 9v DC?
The Tempest is an amazing driver and so are the Shiva, Brahma, Koda, Tulmult, Parthenon, etc....

ponchonutty
01-31-2005, 08:00 AM
Im curious to know what other aspects of the tempest suck? Since after all $150 for a woofer that is capeable of reproducing frequincies that subs "10 years ago" that cost well into the 1000's could barely do. The Tempest is an engineering masterpeace. None other like it. it was originally designed as a home audio woofer. why do you thinkg it has an FS of 18hz? you make any woofer with an Fs of 18Hz with with such low q and it will crave a large enclosure. the SQ from a tempest is amazing, responce flat, and it is very SPL capeable.
THe guy said he had the room. Im not reccomending 20cuft of enclosure in his car. tis' why i said sealed. where the tempest can perform in as low as 3cuft. Just because the norm of today is weak BL, low Q, and intern to make SPL in small encosures low sensitivity, craving for high power, and loose suspension. How many other 15's do you know of with low Fs that can bottom out their suspension in a 4cuft enclosure with 400w that cost less than $200? i can think of exactly 0.
Adire is one of the leading companies in audio innovation. RE would be lost with out XBL^2. the XXX is what made RE known and the XXX just wouldnt be an XXX with out XBL....
how many other companies can create a driver capable of moving over 2" from 9v DC?
The Tempest is an amazing driver and so are the Shiva, Brahma, Koda, Tulmult, Parthenon, etc....


I'm sorry. I needed to expand my thinking on this. I should have said that these suck for the typical car installation mainly because of the space they need. There just home stereo speakers. That's why all that space is needed. Besides, having a car stereo that has a sub thats got a FS of 18hz is unnecessary. In stereo competitions, you rarely see a sub with FS below 25htz.. At 18htz, you can't even hear any of it but is great to have in a home where you have large amounts of room.

Brahma, tempest, and the rest are really just old designs from home stereo speakers. Today, people want big sound out of the smallest enclosures. Yeah, kids don't mind loosing space that much but when you have people comming in with H2, Z06, Mercedes, Lexus, and such, they don't want to loose all of their cargo space for a sub's enclosure.

Yes, you are right that small enclosures usually need high power. There's just no way around it. Here's a link to DEI's Orion line that just made the benchmark on car audio designs. http://www.orioncaraudio.com/subwoofers/sub_H2_series.asp

sr20de4evr
01-31-2005, 10:14 AM
I'm sorry. I needed to expand my thinking on this. I should have said that these suck for the typical car installation mainly because of the space they need. There just home stereo speakers. That's why all that space is needed. Besides, having a car stereo that has a sub thats got a FS of 18hz is unnecessary. In stereo competitions, you rarely see a sub with FS below 25htz.. At 18htz, you can't even hear any of it but is great to have in a home where you have large amounts of room.

Brahma, tempest, and the rest are really just old designs from home stereo speakers. Today, people want big sound out of the smallest enclosures. Yeah, kids don't mind loosing space that much but when you have people comming in with H2, Z06, Mercedes, Lexus, and such, they don't want to loose all of their cargo space for a sub's enclosure.


yes the tempest and shiva are old designs from HT (NOT the brahma, it's completely different, the 12 is at home in less than 1cf and it's very inefficient, more efficient than many others, but anything that needs 800-1000rms to hit full excursion in a sealed box is inefficient), in fact that's part of the point. They're built so they do very well on low power and can still play very deep, ANY sub with those qualities is going to need a huge box due to Koffman's Iron Law. Like you said, most people nowadays want big sound out of tiny enclosures, which is actually what makes the shiva and tempest "old", but there are still those people who are willing to sacrifice trunk space for amp power without any loss of SQ or low end extension, which is exactly what the shiva and tempest (and koda actually) are suited for. Just because they're built with different goals in mind doesn't make them ill-suited to car audio, you just need more space and less power vs other more "common" designs.

bumpinstang77
01-31-2005, 12:25 PM
Dude get off Adire's nuts. Adire aubs (with the exception of brahmas) are made for HT. SE's sq is not necessarily worse then a tempest its just different. I would NOT reccomend tempests to a car audio newbie who wants to throw a gazillion watts to a pair of subs....they're too easy to F up. Se's get a LOT louder and play a lot better near tuning then a tempest in CAR. An Fs of 18hz is not good in car too high. SE's are far superior drivers in car. Fryman...... have you heard SE's and tempests? If so what enclosure power and vehicle? ...... have you personally installed them? ..... I've done 3 single tempest setups and 2 dual tempest setups...... done a single SE15 setup and 2 dual SE 15 setups....... SE wins IMO.......... fyi I'm not trying to diss tempests..... they sound good and get pretty damn loud for 150 bucks, I'm just sayin there's much better choices in the price range to run in car.

Powerefx
01-31-2005, 06:19 PM
Did Re audio run out of businees or sumthing?
First of their site is not updated, and secondly they havent answered on of like 5 emails i sent them.

bumpinstang77
01-31-2005, 07:27 PM
nope they're just always SLAMMED with buisness give them a call ....... (702)896-4823 you might hafta try a few times but you'll get ahold of them.

ponchonutty
01-31-2005, 07:43 PM
Did Re audio run out of businees or sumthing?
First of their site is not updated, and secondly they havent answered on of like 5 emails i sent them.
No, it's just a very small company. They are not massed produced items. They are pretty much hand made.

bumpinstang77
01-31-2005, 07:46 PM
Destijl :-D

Powerefx
01-31-2005, 11:43 PM
Is it alirght to use vinyl on the box instead of carpet? I was thinking of putting some kind of thin spunge/foam like material between the box and vinyl? WIl this interfer with the quality of the sub? Also if i put thoe neon rings around the sub, will that mess up the sound too?

ponchonutty
02-01-2005, 07:44 AM
Is it alirght to use vinyl on the box instead of carpet? I was thinking of putting some kind of thin spunge/foam like material between the box and vinyl? WIl this interfer with the quality of the sub? Also if i put thoe neon rings around the sub, will that mess up the sound too?
Nope. I suggest getting vinyl that already has the foam attached to it. If not, you'll be fighting it big time. Neons, they are ok but sometimes the cheaper ones can create a lot of RF noise that your amps may pick up and run through your speakers.

bumpinstang77
02-01-2005, 08:58 AM
Vinyl is a lot harder to do then carpet so be ready to take your time and be good at it.

Powerefx
02-01-2005, 10:14 AM
Thats what i thought, Time consuming Yes, but hard, nothings hard if u know how to do it. Anwayz another question, Should i use silicone or woodglue in the boc, adn should i use any kind of specific terminals?

bumpinstang77
02-01-2005, 10:34 AM
I use wood glue between the joints when screwing together then liquid nails or silicone on the inside of the box along the joints... overkill....yea....but its sealed good. I don't use terminals unless requested to I usually just drill a small hole then pull the speaker wires through and seal the hole.

CBFryman
02-01-2005, 04:43 PM
Personally i have installed one single tempest set up and 2 dual tempest set up and my tepest for my room is SAPPOSED to be here this weekend, damn back orders. The signle set up was 4.2cuft sealed in a camry, took up the entire trunk. great SQ. 410w. i forget what amp.
both dual tempest set ups where 6cuft each tuned to 25Hz. Same exact enclsoure deisgn and all). one was in a Denali and the other in a suburban. both SLAMMED. 1000w JL in the suburban and dual 400w amps (some off the wall brand) for the denali. the suburban had far better sq but even the denali with off the wall amps had better SQ than many main stream set ups i have heard.
I have heard 2 SE set ups. one SE 12 in a 3.5 cuft ported box (not sure of the tuning, i didnt personally install it) and one with dual se 15's. the dual SE 15's had 800w each going to them and the single 12 had a JL 1000w amp on it.
Persoanlly i like the sound of the tempest by far. i know the SE is a great woofer. but i think the tempest is better for the price. both are great. i'd just like to see a little more flava' in your recomendations.

bumpinstang77
02-01-2005, 05:41 PM
3.5 cubes ported is WAY too big for an se 12 ported..... the response was prolly sloppy as hell comparitavely speaking to a smaller box..... se 12's are good from 1.8-2.25 cubes ported..... What was the SE 15's in?

CBFryman
02-01-2005, 05:56 PM
Tahoe? that or the GMC version of the tahoe. the Yukon or how/ever you spell it. older modle.

bumpinstang77
02-01-2005, 05:59 PM
The dual SE setup..... u didn't say which vehicle....

CBFryman
02-01-2005, 06:02 PM
oh my bad, it was in an escelade at a car show like 2 summers ago in daytona.

ponchonutty
02-01-2005, 06:47 PM
Thats what i thought, Time consuming Yes, but hard, nothings hard if u know how to do it. Anwayz another question, Should i use silicone or woodglue in the boc, adn should i use any kind of specific terminals?

I just use Liquid Nailz on the seems then screw it together every 2". Make sure to predrill everything. No other caulking is necessary but if you want to go ahead. Make sure that if you use something like Silicone, make sure it completely dries before putting the subs in. The vapor from it can degrade the material used in the subs. Use to have a lot of JL Audio subs fail and it only happened with my one installer. Come to find out he liked to use Silicone on the seems after everything was together like B-Stang. But really, only something like the L nails only needs to be used. We tested different ways of building them in the lab and found that was the best way.

Do you plan to vinyle more than one side of your box? If so, the easiest way is to get real thin pieces of Luon or simular stuff and cut it to match the sides of your box. Cover those with your vinyle then glue them to your box. Otherwise doing the seams so they look right is a bitch!

Powerefx
02-01-2005, 08:35 PM
Ya im gonna be covering all sides of the box, and what in gods name is LUON, where can i pick that up?

Add your comment to this topic!