The best bangs for the buck!

Noble M12 vs vette 05 C6...

http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Noble/2000-M12-GTO-1.jpghttp://www.cowtownvettes.org/images/C6A/c6.jpg

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vette: 52k hp 500 tq 475 curb weight 3200 (est) config ls-7 v8 0-60 3.9
noble: 70k hp 360 tq 360 curb weight 1800 (est) config turbo six 0-60 3.6 or less.

Um, the Noble is a V6, its a turbo'd ford unit, from the Mondeo.

Sallen you used the numbers for the next Z06. The regular C6 has only 400Hp and 400Tq.

And as far as bang for the buck it really matters where you are due to import taxes.

But if I were given the choice I would say Noble M12 especially the 400. Just gotta love a mid engine twin turbo setup.

If money was no object and I was trying to maximize my investment/get the most for my money, I would get the Noble...just rarer and a real work all around...

The C6 still has a crap interior...

And your comparing a mass produced car with a limited edition hand built special.

I'd take the corvette........the other car looks like an rc car from radio shack.

...the other car looks like an rc car from radio shack.

Ignorance is bliss :eek7:

I'll take the Vette cuz It looks better and faster !

This is information in accordance with Fast autos :

Curb Weight: 2161 lbs
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Turbocharged V6
Displacement: 2554 cc
Horsepower: 310 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 320 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.1 sec
0-100 mph: 10.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ --- mph
Skidpad: .95g
Top Speed: 165 mph

This is the URL of the site
http://fast-autos.net/noble/noblem12gto.html

? did anyone see last weeks car & driver they testd the 3r an it did 0-60 in 3.3! Ask for the importing taxes there will be very mild if any. Its because since its a kit car im sure there's away to get around most taxing. Ask for me I like the noble because I love light weight cars.
Horsepower imporves accel. Weight improves accel an handeling.

I'll take the Vette cuz It looks better and faster !



Just b/c on paper it seems to be faster...you are missing one thing here...the Noble is 1000 lbs lighter so it will feel so much more nimble than the "portly" C6. Oh...and it's turbo so it can make up for the HP by just turning up the boost a bit...no big

Faster? The Noble would most likely sh*t on the Corvette on a track, just as it craps on most cars bar maybe the 'hypercars'.

Noble for me please.

also one must note that the M12 has been advancing, the latest models are far far faster than the older ones. And yeah it is a bit a kit car but its very well engineered and a track monster.

I'd certainly take the Noble any day, it was designed for the track and the track only. It IS the ultimate track car, it like Neutrino also said, is constantly advancing, unlike the Corvettes, which get a fine tooth comb ever few years.

I'd certainly take the Noble any day, it was designed for the track and the track only. It IS the ultimate track car, it like Neutrino also said, is constantly advancing, unlike the Corvettes, which get a fine tooth comb ever few years.


One thing i don't like is the new M14, what is Noble thinking? charging double for a reskined M12:disappoin . He should stick with evolving the M12 and keeping the price down, he has a decent enthusiath market niche and should stick with it.

I completely agree. Especially since the M14 is pig ugly (imo).

I honestly can't remember what it looks like, I vaguely recall it looking something like Darth Vader. God knows how accurate I am.

Google is but a click away, you lazy kiwi :p

Yea > v < teheh...

the noble M12 doesn't exactly have a good quality interior either....

and the M14 isn't exactly just a reskinned M12
but it is pig ugly.

Just b/c on paper it seems to be faster...you are missing one thing here...the Noble is 1000 lbs lighter so it will feel so much more nimble than the "portly" C6. Oh...and it's turbo so it can make up for the HP by just turning up the boost a bit...no big

people can have their own opinions....you don't gotta have to comment on everyone that choses the corvette.

well i'll admit that is a pretty crappy pic of the noble, i'll show you a much better one, i know i can't change your mind about your choice but atleast it would give you a better image of the noble.

http://www.mole-valley.co.uk/content/images/1065539631.jpg

http://www.mcarsweb.com/noble/m12gto3r.jpg

http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.noble.m12.gto3r.04feb.jpg

http://www.tyresmoke.net/albums/albuo82/noble.jpg

as you can see, it looks like a true exotic, and it performs like one. this is no radio shack toy. this is a kit car thats twin turboed v6, mid engined, and praised for being one of the best handling cars in the world with the best steering feel and controll and will absolutely destory the vette in performance.

i also don't like the way the new vette looks either. i hate that class hatch, it goes too far back. in photos the c6 looks gorgeous but again, in person i hate the hatch. everything else is perfect. if only they made a coupe version it would be 100% perfect, but its saddening that even the c6 Z06 will only come in hatchback.

it's also a lot smaller than you think.
there's a silver grey one that i keep seeing around regent street and it always looks not much bigger than an elise.
the C6 would swallow the whole of the noble.....

probly would. Is the noble mostly holow as far as door panels etc go?

it's also a lot smaller than you think.
there's a silver grey one that i keep seeing around regent street and it always looks not much bigger than an elise.
the C6 would swallow the whole of the noble.....

if it could catch it :)

The only thing i dont like about the Noble is that the huge rear wing is rumoured to be non-functional, i.e. purely for show... You wouldnt think it looking at it...

The thing I hate the most about Nobles is that idiotic looking emblem, the yellow font looks so out of place that it isn't even remotely funny.

Not the most imaginative logo, is it? :D

maybe the wing isn't non-functional, just unneccessary.
y'know, like the little gurneys on the zonda C12S.
they DO work but they're not really needed.

you have to admit though, the wing on the noble does make the car look a bit more balanced.

as for the little yellow font.
well, it's just a sticker.....
you could always replace it with your own name in a colour that you like.

maybe the wing isn't non-functional, just unneccessary.
y'know, like the little gurneys on the zonda C12S.
they DO work but they're not really needed.

you have to admit though, the wing on the noble does make the car look a bit more balanced.

I don't know, it could look a little cleaner without. Any photoshop experts in here? :D

There you go jay

http://www.mcarsweb.com/noble/m12gto3r.jpg
http://img187.exs.cx/img187/610/noble17dj.jpg
http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.noble.m12.gto3r.04feb.jpg
http://img179.exs.cx/img179/7838/noble23fb.jpg


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LOL... the wing, dude, not the logo :lol2:

I was like: "cool, nice one Neu- wait a second, the wing is still there. oh thats ok theres a second pic the first is just for comparison.... er... hold on... the wing is still there... WTF?

and the same for the 3rd and 4th...

Then i noticed the logos :rofl:

lol have I seen those pics B 4.

LOL... the wing, dude, not the logo :lol2:

I was like: "cool, nice one Neu- wait a second, the wing is still there. oh thats ok theres a second pic the first is just for comparison.... er... hold on... the wing is still there... WTF?

and the same for the 3rd and 4th...

Then i noticed the logos :rofl:


Poo that was the italian complaining about the logo not the brit. Ah well give me a sec.

Um, the Noble is a V6, its a turbo'd ford unit, from the Mondeo.

correct. The 3.0L engine is used in the Mondeo ST220. Its also used in the Ford Taurus, Escape, etc, etc.

Btw, forget the old 2000 310 hp version specs. The new 2004 450 hp version, runs an 11.8 s quarter mile and has a skidpad of 1.16. It would obliterate a C5.

Of course, Im partial to the Noble and the duratec engine, so I would take a Noble anyday. :naughty:

one no wing noble special order for jay

http://img178.exs.cx/img178/8501/noble30bn.jpg
http://www.mcarsweb.com/noble/m12gto3r.jpg

Thanks man, nice job :thumbsup:

Im faily sure i prefer that to the original. It just looks far cleaner imo.

The wing makes it look soo much more complete....

Ok boys 2 more posts an then im outa here AutoRox is airing in 2:41 sec from this post.

So how about no wing AND no emblem :D





*Runs from the Septic who looks set to beat him over the head with many a discarded Noble wing*

wow it actually looks better without the wing.

yah those pics are a lot better than that first one

So how about no wing AND no emblem :D





*Runs from the Septic who looks set to beat him over the head with many a discarded Noble wing*


there you go:

http://img184.exs.cx/img184/9420/noble49ym.jpg





Neutrino Out (setting aside Noble wing for trip to Italy and copying shamelesly twospirit's trademark post sig)

Thanks for the picture.


Jimster Out (Reminding Neutrino that as well as a bastard who plagarises poor TS, he's also the low life bastard who steals emblems and wings off Nobles! :p)

ill pick the noble. and damn it looks better with out the wing.

Reminding Neutrino he's also the low life bastard who steals emblems and wings off Nobles!


Hey i did them a favor, it seems that the car looks better without them anyway. Plus there were no mercs around to steal their hood ornaments instead.

Also the noble wings will be used for a charitable cause. I will personally donate them all to low budget riceboys.



Neutrino Out (helping one riceboy at a time)

Sir Bob Geldof could learn a lot from your charitable acts, as a matter of fact, it should be you with his knighthood. :D

Jimster out (Donating his Spoiler to the UNICEF Ricer fund)

Sir Bob Geldof could learn a lot from your charitable acts, as a matter of fact, it should be you with his knighthood. :D



True indeed.


Neutrino Out (patting himself on the back for the astonishing devotion to rice charity and taking threads off topic and postwhoring)

You guys crack me up :iceslolan

It looks damn sexy with out the wing!


Iv seen a Noble parked next to an Elise, it actualy looks a lot bigger, but once you get close you realise it isn't. Its wider, but not a lot longer.



Moppie out (getting turned on by a car....)

Moppie out (getting turned on by a car....)


Welcome to my Sunday afternoons. :redface:


Just another Noble observation: Am I the only one who thinks the headlights look strange? I remember the old M10's with the Elise headlights, they loooked awesome.


Jimster out (Letting his flag fly)

I tend to agree with you :)

http://www.heikozelch.de/cars/diverse/Noble%20M10%20GTO.jpg

Just another Noble observation: Am I the only one who thinks the headlights look strange? I remember the old M10's with the Elise headlights, they loooked awesome.



I agree Noble still needs to change some of the elements on the M12s:

The new headlights certainly look odd, and I'm not the biggest of the older ones either since they are too 1970-ish on a modern car.

The tailights also need an update since they look like something out of a minivan. Plus tailights can really give a signature to the car.

The front air extractor needs to be a little more elegant, something more along the lines of a Ford Gt or Masserati MC12.

And finally the car needs a proper dashboard not just stuck on dials.


All these are just fine details to make a really good car virtually flawless by losing some of those "kit car" rought edges.


Neutrino Out (frowning at crayzayjay for not having a "crayzayjay out" feature :mad:)

I agree Noble still needs to change some of the elements on the M12s:

The new headlights certainly look odd, and I'm not the biggest of the older ones either since they are too 1970-ish on a modern car.

The tailights also need an update since they look like something out of a minivan. Plus tailights can really give a signature to the car.

The front air extractor needs to be a little more elegant, something more along the lines of a Ford Gt or Masserati MC12.

And finally the car needs a proper dashboard not just stuck on dials.


All these are just fine details to make a really good car virtually flawless by losing some of those "kit car" rought edges.

Agree with all of that, except for the previous lights which i liked


Neutrino Out (frowning at crayzayjay for not having a "crayzayjay out" feature :mad:)

I'm a leader not a follower :biggrin:

Is it just the Gto that has the clear lens over the lights? or are there others.

BBC news:

Sports cars worth £150,000 stolen

Three high-performance cars worth about £150,000 have been stolen from a dealership in Leicestershire.

The vehicles - taken from Noble Automotive Limited in Barwell on Monday night - included a M400 sports car and a M12 GT sports car.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40760000/jpg/_40760117_car203.jpg

A stolen silver M12 GT02 was involved in a single vehicle collision shortly afterwards in Hinckley Road.

It is believed the two occupants of the vehicle were picked up by the driver of one of the other stolen cars.

Lee Noble, the company's managing director, said: "The stolen vehicles are unique and the offenders will have extraordinary difficulty selling them on.

He said the cars are not approved for sale elsewhere in the world, so selling them overseas "will not be easy".


:(

AAAHHHH people like that should be shot car theif is just as bad as murder RRRRRRRRRR!!!