sry about the relbilty issue i posted that about the corba y it was super other then turbo thought that was one reason that i read Honest mistake sry.

Why would american muscle benifit more from a super then a turbo The large ci and larger displacement make a turbo even better lets think a 830 hp 4.6 l runs 13.6 psi of boost! How much psi do u have to run to make a talon or a surpa have 830 over 23psi(i think thats 700 something hp in a surpa) pry almost 30 psi in the talon Hmm that would mean the turbo is more effective in a large engine or american muscle then it is in a import (not talking crap about imports just stating facts. if i am wrong plz correct me but i believe i am correct at the moment.)

That is true, but the same applies for a super-charger. Airflow equals power and more displacement equals more airflow. So, a bigger displacement engine will yield higher power from the same mods as a smaller displacement engine be it a super-charger, turbo-charger, intake, and pretty much anything else you can think of.

how can we all foreget just leaving it n/a depending on your car like hondas launch a lil slower but they have a v tec to give them there killer factory umph while if it is low end torque it can get moving quicker ??? i was thinking when building a car would you wnt to build off of the strong suit or bad suit like as inhondas would you want to supercharge it so it can get going quicker and have the v tec kick in and let er fly of would you want a fat turbo to make her have a lil lag then have all of that boost throw in ??? i am so confused

how can we all foreget just leaving it n/a depending on your car like hondas launch a lil slower but they have a v tec to give them there killer factory umph while if it is low end torque it can get moving quicker ??? i was thinking when building a car would you wnt to build off of the strong suit or bad suit like as inhondas would you want to supercharge it so it can get going quicker and have the v tec kick in and let er fly of would you want a fat turbo to make her have a lil lag then have all of that boost throw in ??? i am so confused

I don't know much about the vtech giving the hondas "killer" umph, but I seem to be having plenty of success staying with just the motor. :biggrin:

Jeez, this thread has been all over the world and back. Has anyone looked at the first few posts, and wondered where this one got outta hand? :lol: I love these hard fought debates!!!

FYI All VTEC does is change valve timing. DOHC Vtec gives best gains but at most 15hp. it gives a slightly flatter torque curve. E-Vtec, I-Vtec, and Echo Vtec where all designed to give better economy wile maintaining a flat(er) torque curve when compared to a fixed cam.
Larger displacement engines respond to modifications because they have more power in the first place (for the most part) ie. 300hp 350ci V. 115hp 100ci. add 1 atmosphere of boost to the 350 at 70% compressor efficency and you will gain 210hp making it 510hp. add 1 atmosphere of boost to a 115hp engine at a 70% compressor efficency and you will gain a little over 72hp. making it 187hp.

FYI All VTEC does is change valve timing. DOHC Vtec gives best gains but at most 15hp. it gives a slightly flatter torque curve. E-Vtec, I-Vtec, and Echo Vtec where all designed to give better economy wile maintaining a flat(er) torque curve when compared to a fixed cam.
Larger displacement engines respond to modifications because they have more power in the first place (for the most part) ie. 300hp 350ci V. 115hp 100ci. add 1 atmosphere of boost to the 350 at 70% compressor efficency and you will gain 210hp making it 510hp. add 1 atmosphere of boost to a 115hp engine at a 70% compressor efficency and you will gain a little over 72hp. making it 187hp.

This wasn't directed to me was it? I hope it was to the guy that posted above me with the "killer" umph statement. :iceslolan

'Twas (killer umph)

'Twas (killer umph)

heh..heh...killer :biggrin:

V_tECh Typ3 R OWNZZZ jo' !!!!!1!!!!!

Musashi... where are u!!!/??

This thread has been beat to death so many times, however I guess its necessary to keep repeating it since there are so many newcomers around here. Didn't we used to have a sticky on this subject or is that in another forum?

And while we're on the topic of Superchargers vs Turbochargers how about bringing something new to it, what brand superchargers/turbos would you NOT buy? For example, from all of the S-10 owners I've talked to on another forum, it seems the Powerdyne centrifugal supercharger is a horrible brand to pick. It's the one of the cheapest out there but apparantly has the most problems. You get what you pay for I guess.

This thread has been beat to death so many times, however I guess its necessary to keep repeating it since there are so many newcomers around here. Didn't we used to have a sticky on this subject or is that in another forum?

And while we're on the topic of Superchargers vs Turbochargers how about bringing something new to it, what brand superchargers/turbos would you NOT buy? For example, from all of the S-10 owners I've talked to on another forum, it seems the Powerdyne centrifugal supercharger is a horrible brand to pick. It's the one of the cheapest out there but apparantly has the most problems. You get what you pay for I guess.

Same with the Mustang crowd. Powerdynes are the least popular. Paxton, Vortech, and ATI seem to have about equal popularity. I'm going w/ a Vortech

I'll go with the fred flinstone supercharger :D

I have hamsters on a cocaine and redbull direct blood injection in mine...

I'd have to vote Paxton, but I'm a lil biased :p

FYI All VTEC does is change valve timing. DOHC Vtec gives best gains but at most 15hp.
VTEC does more than just change valve timing - it also changes lift and duration. Probably gains more than 15 horses too if you judge the difference between an h23 (non-vtec) and an h22...more like 30 horses. True the h22 has higher compression ratio, but only slightly (9.8:1 h23 compared to 10.0:1 h22).