http://www.rippmods.com/products/products_list_details.asp?menuid=3&productId=244

Claims 311hp from 9psi. Everything Stock except for Headers and Methanol/water injection. They also have a BOV on a supercharger :screwy: . Im thinking huge BS :bs: . A friend of mine drivers an '04 Tiburon GT v6 and is gun ho' about his 300+ hp supercharged v6 that he will have after wasting 5grand... what do you think?

i dont see why they dont use an intercooler instead of methanol. Maybe the compression is to high. But it could prolly doo 300HP. Forced induction does wonderful things to cars, who would have thought my little 4 banger would have 200 HP?

i dont see why they dont use an intercooler instead of methanol. Maybe the compression is to high. But it could prolly doo 300HP. Forced induction does wonderful things to cars, who would have thought my little 4 banger would have 200 HP?


May i remind you that stock output is around 152wp.... and its 9psi... working at 100% efficency (Intake to the supercharger equals that of the exaust of the supercharger) 9psi would only give around a 70% power increase all other things being equal to the NA engine. And since Methanol onlygive about 60% of the BTU's that gasoline does. The only thing that methanol/water is doing is colling the intake charge. granted water gives a higher compression. But we all know even cyntrifical superchergers cant work at even the 70% percent efficency of the average turbocharger. Its a hyndia. id like to see some dyno charts from non Ripp built cars.

Ripp puts alot of time and effort into their SDS systems. I am not a big fan of them for other reasons, but I can back it up by saying that they can throw down some incredible numbers, especially if the person with the 311hp at 9PSI is using properly designed headers. On average at 9PSI on a SDS equipped V6 Eclipse with longtubed headers and methanol injection, output is somewhere around the 270-290 range. If it was a good day for the car and the air was nice and cool......300+ is possible.

Hmmm....it sounds like this guy just doesnt like hyundai vehicles and doesnt want the engine to be able to make that much power although the Delta V6 is a very capable engine. RIPP has the dyno charts and a video of the dyno...yet he still denies that the engine cant make that much power. He also doesnt have much basis for his argument, excpet that "its BS" even though several tiburon owners have this set up and are producing 320+ hp....maybe rather than basing his arguement on "its a hyundai" he should do some real research on RIPP's SDS and methonal injection which in many ways is actually better than an intercooler...and why would he say its stupid to use a BOV for this setup...its a centrifugal supercharger which uses a compresser very similar to a turbo.

BOV's are not always needed on superchargers, of any kind, because they spool down with the rpms, where a turbo keeps spinning when you let off the throttle.
But literally DOUBLING the hp on only 9psi does sound a little far fetched. But seein as he's got headers and methanol injection, I'm not sure, so I don't lean one way or the other. I know it's possible, but if the Hyundai engine can do it, is completely beyond my knowledge.

did you guys look at those torque numbers? PATHETIC! and i dont know a whole lot about dyno charts but shouldnt it tell the rpm instead of the mph? so aparently the car doesnt go much faster than 77 mph? bummer.

ill give it this.
it is probably a decent system that gives pretty good gains but i would be willing to bet that everything shown has been doctored with or at least been given the benefit of the doubt.

a similar turbo setup could probably give it the same hp numbers but with way better torque. (shit this is going to start another turbo vs sc argument)

i guess that HP sell parts to stupid people.

(14.7+9)/14.7=1.61 9psi will produce about a 61% gain. The methenol injection is for detonation and will not increase power on its own. It will allow higher boost which will increase power.

Factors that could contribute to the horsepower seeming high.
1. reading the boost gage. Boost gages are not very accurate and another psi of boost is a significant gain.
2. The headers make a big difference.
3. That car made more than 152whp.

Hmmm....it sounds like this guy just doesnt like hyundai vehicles and doesnt want the engine to be able to make that much power although the Delta V6 is a very capable engine. RIPP has the dyno charts and a video of the dyno...yet he still denies that the engine cant make that much power. He also doesnt have much basis for his argument, excpet that "its BS" even though several tiburon owners have this set up and are producing 320+ hp....maybe rather than basing his arguement on "its a hyundai" he should do some real research on RIPP's SDS and methonal injection which in many ways is actually better than an intercooler...and why would he say its stupid to use a BOV for this setup...its a centrifugal supercharger which uses a compresser very similar to a turbo.

Seems as though this guy does know much about ocmpressor efficency for the simple fact that cyntrifical superchargers are only a small step up from positive displacement superchargers. as i said, WTF do you need a BOV for on a supercharger? your boost should be regulated by your pulley size, not alowing extra air you just used energy you took from the crank to compress escape.
let me learn you something.
Air pressure at sea level is 14.7 PSI. In order to double power you would need twice as much air and twice as much power you need twice as much fule/air. All things being 100% compressor efficency an engine producing 152hp will need 14.7psi of boost to make 304hp. This is with all things being the same.
Example?
Hyundia GT V6 Pushing 172bhp with a transmision loss of 12% makes around 152hp to the wheels.

as i quote from the RIPP site itself this is what you get.

?RIPP SDS (Supercharger Drive System) 6061 Aluminum CNC design and fabricated

?RIPP/Vortech V5-VSQ G-Trim Supercharger (Quiet gear drive and polished)

?RIPP Blow Off Valve

?Six rising rate 310cc Injectors

?RIPP 6061 Aluminum piping

?RIPP Battery relocation system

?RIPP No weld oil return

?Four Ply silicon hose (Gloss Black Red or Blue)

?Clamps

?Hard ware and clamps included

?RIPP Boost Cooler

?Upgraded Shaft Pulley for 9psi

?Oil feed fitting

?Oil feed/return lines

?Fully illustrated Instruction

?Malpassi Rising rate fuel pressure regulator with gauge

?Walboro 255 Fuel Pump

?Easy 8-12 hour install

?One year limited warranty

The Injectors and fule pump i am assumeing are for the Mehtanol/water injection.
No Intake Manifold, No heads, No Headers.

9psi=61% more air into the cylenders. at 100% compressor efficency that would mean 61% more power. 245hp. now we do have methanol/water injection to cool the intake charge. so lets say that after the cooling you are working at 100% compressor efficency tempature wise (you are still stealing power from the crank to make this power) and the extra cooling and small raising in compression will give you the extra power to compensate for the pwoer loss from spinning the compressor (i am trying to make this work for RIPP).

after looking at the dyno charts i realized they had MPH instead of RPM on the dyno chart. I am thinking a very happy dyno when they pulled 309hp. that or because they did measure in MPH maybe they used one of htoes G-Force in car HP measureers that measures by acceleration instead of actual cyntrifical force. a far more in accurate way of measuring hp. the run with 269hp is the most beleiveable to me.

Now am i missing something here? please Mr. All Mighty Korea lover. Ive explain why not. you explain Why....

i just hate hyundais

To me, that looks like total bs, the tiby only makes 172hp at the fly, that's pathetic considering it is a 2.6L engine and Honda's Accord V-6 makes 70 more hp with only an extra 300cc of displacement. I'm not trying to rip on anyone but Tiburons just aren't fast, even supercharged. To make some good power you'd need more mods than that and at leased 15PSI. Headers, catback, and high flow cat will give you, if you're lucky, 10-20hp, depending on how bad the factory ones were. Tell your friend to save his money, unless he's thinking of taking it to the track, even then, go turbo, they give better hp ratings and better torque. But please no one argue that point, it's been proven, I used to love superchargers(never had one but thought they were better) but they just dont crank out as much.

Turbo's and Screw type superchargers have even efficency rates in the short run (ie running the 1/4 mile) but screw type superchargers begin to heat up after running them for a while.

well see, i go to school with this guy, and he always bashes my tib like this and he acts like he knows about turbos and stuff, but see....he doesnt even have a car, i think i sense some penis envy going on...

A centrifugal compressor is used on centrifugal superchargers and turbos, they are the same type of compressor.

Roots type SCs use a complete different type of compressor, this is the one people think of usually when you say supercharger.

On both Turbos and Centrifugal SCs the compressor has plumbing between itself and the throttle body. The need for a Blow Off Valve is so that the compressed air in the plumbing does not create an excessive amount of back pressure when the Throttle Body is shut, ie when you come off the gas after hard accel, like when shifting.

Just because you come off the gas does not mean a SC stops boosting immediately, if you pull your foot off the gas while shifting at 6500 rpm with a centrifugal SC the Throttle Body suddenly closes all that extra pressure needs a place to escape, that's why centrifugal SCs need a BOV, for the same exact reasons that turbos do. If you have trouble understanding this you should do a little more homework on the 2 types of compressors.

Methanol injection cools intake charge, alot. But also it is alcohol, which is a fuel, so it works in 2 ways, cooling the intake charge as well as addition an additional fuel source. So you will see alot of power out of alcohol injection.

As for the RIPP mods Centrifugal SC on the Tiburon specifically, you are putting 9psi plus alcohol injection on top of a car already modified with intake, headers and exhaust, as they are required.

A Tib with I/H/E is good for about 170whp without fuel tuning. Fuel tuning on top of that will add even more. The engine really really reacts well to mods. So you can estimate your 9psi off 170whp, then get some more out of fuel tuning.

So assuming 170whp @ 14.7psi you then add your 9psi of boost off that.
((14.7+9)/14.7)*170=274 untuned wheel horse power.

For those who don't know from the factory the Tib is super rich, it is between 10:1 - 11:1 AFR. So with 274 untuned whp you can get a whole lot more power out of tuning it correctly. With proper tuning and the alcohol injection it is really easy to get it up to 311whp.

RIPP mods is a well know outfit that has had a great record with excellent tuning. To back up their claims on this system they videod the actual dyno run and also made videos of it running on the street as well as at the track.

There were 10 initial investors for RIPPs Tiburon project, and all 10 of those investors are getting comprable numbers with their setups, some have gotten even more HP with their tuning.

The delta engine is a very very solid tuning engine and reacts really well to mods. It has been dyno proven to get over 12whp from only a CAI. The head flows really well and the engine really loves boost.

To me, that looks like total bs, the tiby only makes 172hp at the fly, that's pathetic considering it is a 2.6L engine and Honda's Accord V-6 makes 70 more hp with only an extra 300cc of displacement. I'm not trying to rip on anyone but Tiburons just aren't fast, even supercharged. To make some good power you'd need more mods than that and at leased 15PSI. Headers, catback, and high flow cat will give you, if you're lucky, 10-20hp, depending on how bad the factory ones were. Tell your friend to save his money, unless he's thinking of taking it to the track, even then, go turbo, they give better hp ratings and better torque. But please no one argue that point, it's been proven, I used to love superchargers(never had one but thought they were better) but they just dont crank out as much.

I know you don't know alot about the car, but you are making some bad assumption. The Tib V6 is harshly restricted from the factory to make it absolutely silent. It is dyno proven 12+whp consistently with only a CAI. It is also retardly rich from the factory so just a little fuel tuning goes a long long way.

I/H/E on the V6 Tib has consistently given approximately 25whp. The engine is very detuned from the factory so it reacts really really well to bolt on mods.

Ok, there's a lot of reading you guys need to do about these Tiburons before you start raising BS flags. 1) the RIPP kit requires that you get headers. Headers on the Tib add 10-12whp. They are not using special headers for the dyno car, they're actually using one of the cheapest sets you can buy from HotShots. An intake on a V6 Tib adds 10+whp. Now obviously, you can't just add 10 and 10 and = 20, but let's say 15whp. you're now at ~165whp. Now, those of us that have boosted our tiburons know that they respond VERY well to boost. I've seen this Tiburon run a dyno in person, and as much as I don't like RIPP (friendly fued), I had to compliment them on their accomplishment.

As Far as the BOV. As those of you that know these systems know, it's a Cent. S/C. So basically, it's a belt driven Turbo. The BOV is in place because of future upgrades, and also, to make a constant 9psi, the blower is actually making 12psi up top and bypassing some of it. Granted, it's not got a great TQ number, but the DELTA engine is a beast with boost.

A great exable of this is a member on NewTiburon.com that goes by Lotus. Her Alpine roots-type s/c'ed tiburon made 232whp at 4psi. The stock setup of a DELTA is very anemic, and with any bolt-on, you'll see large gains.

Another good example is a user that goes by Ibbanez. His custom Single Turbo setup at 7psi ran 256whp and 262wtq.

Please, do research before you bash. Otherwise, you make yourselves sound very dumb

Hey Guru, do they know it was an automatic? :cwm27:

Oh yeah, http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29349

http://www.rippmods.com/products/products_list_details.asp?menuid=3&productId=244

Claims 311hp from 9psi. Everything Stock except for Headers and Methanol/water injection. They also have a BOV on a supercharger :screwy: . Im thinking huge BS :bs: . A friend of mine drivers an '04 Tiburon GT v6 and is gun ho' about his 300+ hp supercharged v6 that he will have after wasting 5grand... what do you think?

jus cause you dont knwo about something doesnt make it BS... go get educated

http://www.rippmods.com/products/products_list_details.asp?menuid=3&productId=244

Claims 311hp from 9psi. Everything Stock except for Headers and Methanol/water injection. They also have a BOV on a supercharger :screwy: . Im thinking huge BS :bs: . A friend of mine drivers an '04 Tiburon GT v6 and is gun ho' about his 300+ hp supercharged v6 that he will have after wasting 5grand... what do you think?



hmmm.....


http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26784

o and hey if those 2 links rnt good enough for you then here is the alpine setup, the version you guys say is a small step down from ripps set up ocmpressor efficency for the simple fact that cyntrifical superchargers are only a small step up from positive displacement superchargershttp://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23082&highlight=fastest

o and dont forget, this 1 is an automatic....

To me, that looks like total bs, the tiby only makes 172hp at the fly, that's pathetic considering it is a 2.6L engine and Honda's Accord V-6 makes 70 more hp with only an extra 300cc of displacement. I'm not trying to rip on anyone but Tiburons just aren't fast, even supercharged. To make some good power you'd need more mods than that and at leased 15PSI. Headers, catback, and high flow cat will give you, if you're lucky, 10-20hp, depending on how bad the factory ones were. Tell your friend to save his money, unless he's thinking of taking it to the track, even then, go turbo, they give better hp ratings and better torque. But please no one argue that point, it's been proven, I used to love superchargers(never had one but thought they were better) but they just dont crank out as much.

wow this guy is amazing, i mean i guess he knows more about our cars than we do and the only reason the car isnt fast is becuz, its got the word hyundai infront of tiburon. hey and im just wondering, since when did hyundai start making the tiburons 2.6L instead of 2.7L, im just kinda curious about that.

See, what had happened was, he just got pissed that a Hyundai engine could create more power than his Mazda B2500 pickup truck. He obviously feels threatened by our little "drunk H", and can't bear to accept it as a proven fact.

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.
you mean mitsubishi/ hyundai motors... soon to be mitsu/hyundai/ chrysler motors...

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.
Well.. that's partially correct, depending on how you look at it. ;)

In addition to cooling the intake charge, alcohol injection (or methanol, in RIPP's case) also adds octane to the A/F mix, reducing the chance of detonation at high RPMs. And I can assure you that hitting a piston head with a large hammer repeatedly (best comparison I can give) is not good for the rods connected to the other end of them.

And since 2 of those links are regarding my car... I'll take the liberty of posting that dyno firsthand (for those unbelievers that don't know how to click).

http://webpages.charter.net/dzignrconcepts/tiburon/SDS-Dyno.jpg

That's 117.3% whp gain (from 146 whp stock) @ 9-10psi, on the stock clutch & flywheel setup with the Stage 2 SDS, headers, exhaust, plug wires, and a lightweight crank pulley. And it's in RPMs, too...

But if you still don't "believe" - feel free to call the dyno shop yourself. He'll remember my car (as does everyone that sees it run)!!

I sincerely apologize for breaking the "rules"! ;) LOL

maybe youve never seen a detonated piston and head but i can assure you that once a cylinder detonates it doesnt happen repeatedly. maybe a few times but if you are still reving your engine at redline after youve detonated then you have no place behind the wheel of a car. detonation doesnt throw rods.

i didnt mean that i hate the hyudai motors company (though i do) i meant i hate hyundai engines. they are cheap with garbage internals. even people on that other board said so.

i sincerely hope that those links do not represent the intelligence of the hyundai community. there was jsut so much misinformation and people just being flat out wrong about quite a few things, such as how adding alcohol will somehow prevent throwing rods due to over reving. these links only strengthened my hatred for hyundai motors.

dude you are definitly my most favorite person in the world, because even though pure facts are being thrown at you, you still dont seem to accept evidence. hmmm...do u feel a little jealous???

A centrifugal compressor is used on centrifugal superchargers and turbos, they are the same type of compressor.

Roots type SCs use a complete different type of compressor, this is the one people think of usually when you say supercharger.

On both Turbos and Centrifugal SCs the compressor has plumbing between itself and the throttle body. The need for a Blow Off Valve is so that the compressed air in the plumbing does not create an excessive amount of back pressure when the Throttle Body is shut, ie when you come off the gas after hard accel, like when shifting.

Just because you come off the gas does not mean a SC stops boosting immediately, if you pull your foot off the gas while shifting at 6500 rpm with a centrifugal SC the Throttle Body suddenly closes all that extra pressure needs a place to escape, that's why centrifugal SCs need a BOV, for the same exact reasons that turbos do. If you have trouble understanding this you should do a little more homework on the 2 types of compressors.

Methanol injection cools intake charge, alot. But also it is alcohol, which is a fuel, so it works in 2 ways, cooling the intake charge as well as addition an additional fuel source. So you will see alot of power out of alcohol injection.

As for the RIPP mods Centrifugal SC on the Tiburon specifically, you are putting 9psi plus alcohol injection on top of a car already modified with intake, headers and exhaust, as they are required.

A Tib with I/H/E is good for about 170whp without fuel tuning. Fuel tuning on top of that will add even more. The engine really really reacts well to mods. So you can estimate your 9psi off 170whp, then get some more out of fuel tuning.

So assuming 170whp @ 14.7psi you then add your 9psi of boost off that.
((14.7+9)/14.7)*170=274 untuned wheel horse power.

For those who don't know from the factory the Tib is super rich, it is between 10:1 - 11:1 AFR. So with 274 untuned whp you can get a whole lot more power out of tuning it correctly. With proper tuning and the alcohol injection it is really easy to get it up to 311whp.

RIPP mods is a well know outfit that has had a great record with excellent tuning. To back up their claims on this system they videod the actual dyno run and also made videos of it running on the street as well as at the track.

There were 10 initial investors for RIPPs Tiburon project, and all 10 of those investors are getting comprable numbers with their setups, some have gotten even more HP with their tuning.

The delta engine is a very very solid tuning engine and reacts really well to mods. It has been dyno proven to get over 12whp from only a CAI. The head flows really well and the engine really loves boost.


You all are still forgetting the fact that IT TAKES ENERGY TO COMPRESS AIR. Turbochargers are usually about 70-80% efficent in creating their boost. This means that all other things being the same 1 atmosphere of boost will yeild 70% power gain. Positive displacement superchargers are in the 40-50% range and cyntrifical superchargers are in the 60-70% range. Screw type superchargers are in the 70-80% range untill they heat up at which point they drop down to the efficecy of a cyntrifical superchaerger. I never bashed this kid i asked a question and gave my opinion. Noob tib lovers started flaming so i showed them whats up.

RIPP claims 311whp from simply bolting on their kit. No new heads, no cat back exaust, just simply running 9psi from a belt driven cyntrifical supercharger and 60/40 methanol/water injection. and as far as methanol goes. its only advantage over ethanol and other alcohols is that it gives great cooilng to the intake. it only contains 60% of the potential thermal energy of gasoline. so other than the water slightly raising compression and the cooling effect of methanol gives, the extra octane doesnt do jack shit. Ripp didnt say 311whp with new heads and proper ECU tuning now did they? no. As i said some of their dyno charts are beleiveable. but tell me how the same exact car withthe sapposed same exact set up goes from around 260hp to 309 in the same day with almost exact conditions?

After throughly examining the kit the BOV is not to maintain boost pressure because boost doesnt fluctuate with a belt drive supercharger like it does with a turbo. because compressor speed is completely relative to engine speed. The faster the engine turns and needs air the faster the compresor turns and gives air. the BOV is used as a boost regulator so you can have the same effect as the use of a boost controller on a turbo via wastegate. When the throttle body shuts the engine slows down because it cant draw as much air there for the supercharger slows down and cant flow as much air. there is no need to vent excess air because there is no excess air. and if thesupercharger has the ability to run 12psi then why not run 12psi instead of 9psi? you are jsut wasteing energy compressing extra air.

as for your 170hp. that is 170bhp. BRAKE HORSE POWER. as in TO THE CRANK. You are actually getting around 152hp on average with a 5 speed; 148 with a 6 speed and 130 something with an auto to the wheels. so lets say the ocmpressor is working at 70% efficency (a very efficent belt driven supercharger if it is. and its just a basic vortech supercharger, nothing facy) so 9*.7=6.3/14.7=0.429 152*1.429=217hp. now water/methanol injection can do wonders. lets say a 20% power increase due to tempature drop and compression raising. sp 217*1.2=260whp. Now im not doubting freeing up the headers, heads, intake manifold, and cat back wont bring you over 300hp. it would probably bring it up over 320. And with cams even into 340hp. BUT 311whp FROM 9PSI AND WATER/METHANOL INJECTION ALL OTHER THINGS BEING THE SAME FROM 152whp IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

well i dynoed @ 250WHP with 5psi thats stage 1 i have yet to put stage 2 on.

I'm not rejecting evidence. im saying that many of the comments on that hyundai board show peoples ignorance.

All the Procharger kits for Mustangs and Camaros come with the BOV. My Cobra once had the Procharger P600B and the BOV made the same type sounds when I let off the throttle that my turbo does now. The instant you let off the throttle the engine speed has not changed. It will cause a damaging boost spike at the compressor if a BOV is not used. It is not as bad as a turbo but it is still present.

The original aurgument I thought was based on the fact that you can't double engine power simply by boosting the engine with 9psi and this is true. All of the statements made by people that you can gain this much just from CAI and this much from tuning just prove the point that there is more done with the kit than just a supercharger. All of this does make you have to come to the conclusion that it is a good kit.

FYI BOV's and Diverter valves are there to prevent compresser surger. ie the compressor spinning backwards due to the continueation of boost after the throttle body has closed and the engine speed has droped. this makes the turbo stop and spin backwards. not only does this hurt the turbo bearings but it also makes the turbo have to completely respool when you get back on the gas. it can do this because a turbo is ocmpletely independent of the engine. the turbo is spinning, it will want to keep spinning untill something stops it form spinning (ya know that weird thing they where talking about in physics called newtons 1st law of motion things at rest tend to stay at rest and things in motion tend to stay in motion unles acted upon by an outside force) a BOV will keep the turbo spinning as fast as posible. because a supercharger's speed is completely related to engine speed it cant continue spinning at the previous speed and air flow always matches engine speed needs.

A divertor or bypass system is a BOV that vents back into the system as opposed to venting to atmosphere. Why does Procharger supply a "Bosch surge/bypass system" with all of their kits? Why did my Procharged Cobra make the "bypass" sound when I let off the throttle? You at the point now where you are going to have to admit the BOV has a use with a centrifugal supercharger or all of the following:
1. Call me a liar and tell me I didn't hear the sound or it was something else.
2. Say you know more than Procharger and they really don't need a bypass system with their kits.

CBFryman I can't even count the number of straight up mistakes you made in your post. You are just wrong about several things.

First thing, the RIPP stage 2 setup comes with a fuel tuner, that is tuned. So they do include fuel tuning in their setup, you accused them of not including it. Their 311hp claim is WITH FUEL TUNING. Learn to pay attention to the details.

Also, if you are at 6500rpm with a SC then let off the gas the engine does not come to a screeching halt at under 2000rpm, it is still turning at 6500rpm and it slows down, the compressor is still turning and still making boost and that boost needs to be regulated and released otherwise you would be damaging the compressor and blowing fittings off the thing. You obviously don't understand very well how engines and more importantly how SCs work, because you have made alot of just straight up wrong posts.

I suggest you study up a little more before posting.

as for your 170hp. that is 170bhp. BRAKE HORSE POWER. as in TO THE CRANK.

Do you have a reading problem, I said with intake headers exhaust it is making 170 WHEEL HP, that is TO THE WHEELS, I said WHEEL HP several times, but you apparently missed it.

With I/H/E the Tib makes 195 BHP, you know, to the crank, and 170 WHP you know, to the wheels! This is what I said, and this is what I meant. The RIPP setup is 9psi on top of a car with I/H/E already, then it is adding fuel tuning and alcohol with raises octane.

Read my posts before commenting on them, you are so very confused.

On that page, nowhere does it say it comes with a fule tuner. You seem like an internet rice boy. You get all of your information from reading sapposed information form sites such as RIPP. taking it as fact. i am not flaming. just what it seems like. I have yet to see you use any numbers involving compressor efficency. But w/e. Im tired of argueing with an uneducated un experenced brick wall. I do accept the fact that you did say intake, exaust and headers. though none of this is included in the RIPP kit.

chris stfu you lose quit arguing....they had headers on that car...i dont think they had I/E...and the intake is just the filter hooked up to the blower...

Muhahahaha. Lets see here Kioplo. you live in Lake City and drive an '04 Tiburon. Wait Wait. let me geuss. its GT v6 5 speed. Black. gray pin stripes. you attend CHS and are in the 11th grade. You lick kwik26's anus and your name is Jonathan. your have honors chemistry in Mrs Mac's 1st period class. AM i correct or no?
You f***ing moron. are you going to get headers on your car. no. are you going to get that kit at all. no. does the kit come with headers. no. we are talking about just hte kit alone. I still say RIPP is full of shit.
PS
where the hell did yo uget Kioplo from?

your wrong....i dont have any pin stripes on my car..wtf where did that come from? and to get the kit you have to get headerss...

and even though the facts say yes..you stil say no...lol youre an idiot, and need to learn more about S/C and F/I......

I thought you did. You where talling me something about pinstripes or something that you though looked gay. and of the times ive seen it only once has been during the day. Anyway, where does it say you have to get headers. a kit that expensive should be all inclusive.

and even though the facts say yes..you stil say no...lol youre an idiot, and need to learn more about S/C and F/I......


:cwm27:
Like you do know about s/c and force induction? :rofl:

it says it like up at the top or something...idk read it

yeah at the very top lol...you havent even read that page

you know you can edit your posts.... :newbie:

Dude! in spite of the fact that you apparently know it ALL after pulling a few booost equations from a website... you're rather DENSE!!

MY car.

146whp to 317whp (6-speed).

Stage 2 SDS, headers (which RIPP states are required to run the kit), fuel tuner (included with the kit), and exhaust.

Installed myself.

You can even hear all the air relase from the bypass vale when you let off the gas at 6000 RPMs!! (and boy does it sound nice)

REAL WORLD NUMBERS... with a POSTED DYNO SHEET to prove it!!!

No IM... no head work... and no cams!!

Just a Stage 2 SDS (with required parts) installed on a stock Delta... with a nice exhaust note.



PLEASE don't embarrass yourself any further... ;)

:) yeah seriously...

Guys lets keep it clean. So make technical arguments and stay away from personal attacks.


Now abou this kit, its power numbers definitivelly seem a bit high. I understand that RIPPS' dyno supports them. Problem is dyno numbers varry a lot among different types plus the data can be faked by putting in the wrong corrention factors. So my question is: Do you guys have any dyno sheets of this kit from other unbiased shops? Or even better do you have any 1/4mile time slips? Drag stip performance doesn't lie.

Listen. I can tell you what comes on the RIPP kit, because I've seen the shop, seen the kit, seen it being installed, and seen one dyno straight after install.

Headers do not come in the kit. You DO get a pre-tuned fuel tuner. It's not the best tune, but it's not pig rich like the factory either.

This argueing is pointless. People's only standing point is "it's just a Hyundai". Well I hate to tell you guys, but this is one of the better tuning platforms that i've ever worked with.

actually the stanging point was mathematics and physics, i was just giving my opinion about hyundais.

wow you guys in the face of facts still call bs
i own a tiburon and have done some modes I/E/ect

the car is fast and its a v6 with =tq to hp almost and it gets better pull then any car in its class. also about $4g less.

now if you think about it the rip S/C is around $4gs

so cash to cash this car will beat any of the compition with this kit or N/A is you want to go that way.

you say that ooo thats not the real # its BS

if it was and they paid $4g for the kit they would have sued ripp for falus advertising. as simple as that
you guy that started this need a silver caped in his head for typeing this thread.

is your torque equal to your hp at 5252 rpm. i have a lawnmower that is.

im sorry but it is seriously going to take me standing next to the dyno after watching the kit installed myself to believe that you can double the hp on 9psi with those mods on that motor with a supercharger.

well where do you live? I'm sure it can be arranged ;)

well where do you live? I'm sure it can be arranged ;)
Well I, for one, wouldn't waste my time. He still wouldn't believe it, even if he saw it... ;)

Any other takers?

This argueing will do nothing until we see some dyno #s with everything except the supercharger- which would consist of headers, a tune(I keep hearing hyundai tunes there cars pig rich, which makes no sense to me, but if thats how it is...), and an intake tube that puts the filter in the same place that is on the SC'd version.
Even better, just do this:
Before you get on the dyno, make a baseline run with your supercharger's discharge hose unhooked from the intake. Just put a filter on your intake. Then hook the supercharger's discharge to a closed tube that has a blowoff valve set for 9psi. This way we can see exactly what the engine produces without the boost. They claim 375ish flywheel horsepower. To achieve that on 9psi boost without an intercooler, I'd need to see at least 230hp n/a, and that would be pushing it.

I just ran this through a TURBO calculator, these are the inputs I used:
Capacity : 168ci(4 more, I just guessed at bore and stroke and I was close so I left it)
RPM 6250
Ambient air temp: 70*(SAE temp is 77)
Engine VE: 110% (Race engine numbers)
Boost pressure: 9psi
Compressor Efficiency : 100%(impossible)
It tells me, theoretically, without ANY rotating mass, this engine is capable of putting out 365hp. At the flywheel. With a turbocharger, let alone a crappy centrifugal S/C unit.
These numbers really don't mean much, the calculator isn't perfect in any regard, but it gives you a general idea.

I'm not saying these numbers are impossible. I'm just saying that if they are true, they're beyond astounding. Not because they got such a huuge gain, but because hyundia must pull out a few sparkplugs before they roll them off the assembly line to get the stock power that low...

Its believable to me. 3.0L vorteched contours put down around 300 whp on 9 psi. Dont see why a 3.0L Tiberon couldnt do the same. Btw, superchargers you bypass valves.

it takes more than just PSi to create power. the 3.9l vortec has a different compression, different head and intake manifold design, and different cams and valves. Sure F1 engines are 3.0l and produce massive numbers naturally asperated. but they also work in very high efficency ranges and run in RPM's that would make most car engines blow to peaces.

I have a wideband in my NA 2.7L Tiburon and it runs 10.7:1 at 6000rpm with no tuning. I have an intake and header.

Believe it or not, RIPPS has several of these kits and plenty of people have posted dynos from different dyno shops.

Also, VE raises when you boost. I don't think anyone has accounted for that. The VE on the stock V6 is probably awful because it has the same cams as the Santa Fe and Sonata. That's why it puts out a pathetic 170bhp out of a 2.7L V6 turning up to 6500rpm with a four valve head. However that doesn't mean the cams are poor for boosted application.

10.7:1 at 6000RPM? CR is constant. its just a measure of how many times the volume is reduced when comparing BDC to TDC.

10.7:1 at 6000RPM? CR is constant. its just a measure of how many times the volume is reduced when comparing BDC to TDC.
Again, please read before posting comments. He's talking about AFR, not CR. Pay attention before you try and sound smart. He specifically mentions the use of a wideband. Last I checked, you can't use those to test engine compression

is your torque equal to your hp at 5252 rpm. i have a lawnmower that is.

im sorry but it is seriously going to take me standing next to the dyno after watching the kit installed myself to believe that you can double the hp on 9psi with those mods on that motor with a supercharger.


this motor is suprising huh. :loser:

p.s. i guess the tib isn't to bad after all :smokin:

what motor?
the one in my lawnmower?
totally

nt.guru. once agian you made an ass out of yourself. if he was talking about his AF then he should have stated AF. in my previous post i was talking about OCmpression ratios, cams etc. The way he stated that is looked like a reply. Since i said nohting baout AF but osmething about ocmpressio nratio and he put it as a ratio i assumed he was talking about compression.

nt.guru. once agian you made an ass out of yourself. if he was talking about his AF then he should have stated AF. in my previous post i was talking about OCmpression ratios, cams etc. The way he stated that is looked like a reply. Since i said nohting baout AF but osmething about ocmpressio nratio and he put it as a ratio i assumed he was talking about compression.
Type. Re-Read. Spell-Check. Post. <-- general order you should follow. I really could care less what you were talking about when he replied. Anyone with brains would take the word "wideband", a ratio, and an RPM reading and deduce that that person is talking about AFR. Before you attempt to insult, think. If it's a valid point, I'll listen. Otherwise, you're just a punk internet kid that thinks he knows his shit because he reads it online.

of all of us yo uare the punk internet kid :icon16: you and all of your Tibby cronies from Newtiburon.com are the only ones besides a select few that arent asking for real world non-biast results. :loser:

I don't have to ask, i've seen it all in person. You know, living things, not pictures and words. Hell, I sat and watched it Dyno after over-looking the whole thing. I'll post the video link when my friend's site goes back online.

Again I say, Type. RE-READ. Spell-Check. Post

question, Why is this the only thread you have posted in? im j/w. oh and FYI Typeing is my downfall (well spelling is also, shhh. seems weird since i do work for a computer sales and on site repair company) when i have time and i am not switching back and forth between my online class (latin) and this i do usually re-read my posts.

question, Why is this the only thread you have posted in? im j/w. oh and FYI Typeing is my downfall (well spelling is also, shhh. seems weird since i do work for a computer sales and on site repair company) when i have time and i am not switching back and forth between my online class (latin) and this i do usually re-read my posts.
Honestly, I just don't have interest in the other threads. I just aim to inform others that they aren't correct about a car that i've put a lot of time and money into. I don't like false-hoods being spread.

CB, you are soooooooo smart that when someone said they have a wideband sensor and they are running 10.7:1 after 6000 RPMS you thought he was talking about Compression Ratio?

Tell me how a Wideband O2 sensor measures compression ratio? Seriously bro you are beginning to sound like a wannabe know it all who can't cover all the bases correctly.

RIPP gives you their "black box" which adjusts the fuel trim as well as adjust spark tables. The engine is tuned completely different which, in my opinion, is where the extra horsepower comes from that people think shouldn't be there.

I am not a fan of RIPP, because they stole the forced induction market for Third Generation Eclipses, but their kits can produce the numbers.

O Mr. I just joined today and didnt bother to read all of the past posts... The way it was written it seemed like a reply to my post that was directly before his. He first mentioned a wide band sensor then said and a 10.7 ratio. well since i was talking about CR in my previous post i assumed he was speaking of CR. did i not already go over this?

whoop dee doo, I just joined this month.........I guess that automatically makes me wrong. I am so sorry sir, I will never voice my opinion again because you have been here for ever and ever.

I did read all of the posts in this thread, as a matter of fact its the only thread I have really bothered reading. When you tell guru to read before posting, I think you should do the same.

I know that you were under the assumption that he was talking about Compression, but hey......you know what they say when you assume things........

Get back to the relevant part of my post please, about the "black box". What are your opinions on that? In your opinion, is it possible that the tuning within that black box could make up the extra horsepower?

it could. However im still doubting over 150hp increase from 9 psi. I too entered specs into an online TURBO calulator and found that with 100% compressor efficency (not feasible) and the use of WI 302 is what you would get with 0 rotating mass. I beleive that it could be done with a lighter flywheel, cams, headers, and intake manifold and proper spark and fule tuning. but not with simply headers, WI, and 9psi from a belt driven cyntrifical compressor.

it could. However im still doubting over 150hp increase from 9 psi. I too entered specs into an online TURBO calulator and found that with 100% compressor efficency (not feasible) and the use of WI 302 is what you would get with 0 rotating mass. I beleive that it could be done with a lighter flywheel, cams, headers, and intake manifold and proper spark and fule tuning. but not with simply headers, WI, and 9psi from a belt driven cyntrifical compressor.

intake manifold??.... supercharged... am i missing something?? :sly:

dude, just give up.. as much as it is hard to believe the 300+whp, you can't prove it doesn't exist... find something better to do

WTF? Intake manifold can give nearly as much of a power boost as headers. especially with FI.