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KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-29-2004, 03:35 PM
This is my entire set-up, I put one up a while back but that was just a lil at first, now I just need to know if anyone could look over this and tell me how much pounds of boost I can have with this setup. I wanna push around 400hp+ but I just need to know if the setup I have will be able to handle it. This whole setup is going into an 88-91 crx/hatch, havent decided which yet.

B20 Block
B18A Intake Manifold
Cold Air Intake
B18A Transmission
P75 LS ECU
“B” Series Engine Mounts/Linkage
Integra Axels
Spark Plugs
LS OBD-1 Distributor
4 Wire O2 sensors
Spark Plug Wires
Hondata w/boost option
Turbo Crower Cams
Cam Gears
Aluminum Flywheel
Stage 3 Clutch
Resleeve Block
8:1 Pistons
Eagle Rods
Skunk 2 Valves
Skunk 2 Springs
Skunk 2 Retainers
ARP Head Studs-
Turbo Cams Crower Cams
Blitz Turbo Timer
Apexi AVC-R Boost Controller
Precision SC32 Turbo
Intercooler Kit
Tial 40mm Wastegate
Full Race Turbo Manifold
3” Down pipe
Blow off Valve
AEM Fuel Rail
RC 750cc fuel injectors
Walbro Fuel Pump 255lph Kit
Custom 3" Cat-Back
LSD

CivicSpoon
12-29-2004, 03:44 PM
I don't know how much boost you'll be able to run or how much power you'll get. But don't get the skunk2 valves... http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=984792 There a quite a few threads on the net just like this. It's clearly a problem with their valves, and Skunk2 is aware of it.

KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-29-2004, 04:23 PM
wow, well i guess imma have to change the company i get that from then, thanks for your help.

SleeperCivic
12-29-2004, 06:23 PM
Which sleeves do you plan on using?

91b16turbohatch
12-29-2004, 06:27 PM
i wouldn't boost over 15 pounds if its an everyday driver.Just to be on the safe side

SleeperCivic
12-29-2004, 06:29 PM
i wouldn't boost over 15 pounds if its an everyday driver.Just to be on the safe side
Why do you say this? I'm curious....

KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-29-2004, 06:47 PM
Ya i know I wouldnt run 10 or more daily, but just if im ever in a race or sumthin ill turn it up to watever. I plan on using either Benson or AEBS, dunno which would be better, but i cant find any sites on benson so prolly AEBS

SleeperCivic
12-29-2004, 06:51 PM
If you're serious about using 8:1 compression, 10psi is a joke - it'll feel like 3psi. AEBS are the best, but they're also the most expensive. Benson does great work and the price is generally acceptable. You'll probably end up running between 20-25psi in race mode and around 15psi for street. I would go with the AEBS if you're going to put that much money into your project.

KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-29-2004, 07:16 PM
So when im driving around i should just have around 15psi? The reason I said 10 or less is because im thinkin changing the amount of boost im using is as easy as turning a knob and if im just driving around i wouldnt need any boost, unless without boost it would be alot slower because of the compression and all.

SleeperCivic
12-29-2004, 07:21 PM
With that low of compression, it will be VERY slow unless you put the air into it. I guess you'll just have to play with it to find out what suits you best, but I don't think 10psi will be enough. Who knows!

KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-29-2004, 07:28 PM
Alrite, thanks for the info, as for the sleeves, i was reading up some searched info and people were saying that AEBS isnt ideal for a racing type car, because they have closed decks, and darton or Bensonwould be a better choice.

CivicSpoon
12-29-2004, 07:32 PM
Don't worry about how many psi of boost you're going to do. Get the thing professionally tuned, since you're getting hondata anyways. When you're getting it tuned, tell them that you are going to change the boost for daily driving and race and what hp range you're looking for; and they will tune it to your needs. The tuner will also tell you how much boost you're running. Also let them break-in the motor for you on the dyno, but make sure everything is working properly before you bring it there; because it will just cost them (and you) more time if they need to troubleshoot anything. Also as far as I know you'll need a missing-link or a 3-bar GM map sensor added to that list. Your stock map sensor will not work if it sees a lot of boost (hondata's website tells you all about the 3-bar and how to hook it up).

SleeperCivic
12-29-2004, 07:35 PM
Alrite, thanks for the info, as for the sleeves, i was reading up some searched info and people were saying that AEBS isnt ideal for a racing type car, because they have closed decks, and darton or Bensonwould be a better choice.
I'm not sure who those "people" are, but they're misinformed. AEBS is by far the best sleeve design on the market. Sleeve design has been argued for a long time as to which is better and why. I'll tell you right now that my friend and I pulled his GSR motor out and had it sleeved by AEBS - 400whp on 20psi @ 9.5:1 CR without ANY problems except for running out of injector. He's been driving it for months now without a single complaint.

casperGSR
12-29-2004, 11:28 PM
sleepercivic is right in saying AEBS are great however darton too are very good... as far as valves are concerned if you're stilling looking for valves go with ferrera, and personally I'd recommend the AEM standalone over the hondata, not to take anything away from hondata but with the AEM you can tweak maps on your own without having to go to someone to beflash your ecu with the hondata, just my two cents.

KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-30-2004, 01:39 AM
What would I need to tweak the maps with a standalone? Just a computer and the program? With that, would I be pretty much tuning it on my own?

casperGSR
12-30-2004, 02:49 PM
the aem standalone comes with the software in order to tune it, so you'll need a laptop computer... however, the aem is not designed for someone who is not familiar with fuel maps, ignition timing and other factors that go into tuning an engine properly... if you're a quick learner and have a relatively good understanding of efi and timing with some research you should be able to tune it yourself, but it will take some time and patience learning how to use it... it really all depends on your capability and knowledge of tuning a car and how a car works... once you've learned how to use it though it is extremely easy to upload new maps or make adjustments to an existing map and tweak it on your own... if you don't feel comfortable tuning it yourself you could certainly have someone do it for you and just watch how they do it and learn that way and then later on make some adjustments... I looked into both the hondata and the aem and went with the aem for the simple fact it would allow me to tune it myself and not by someone else and I couldn't be happier with it, just my two cents though.

KaMaKaZiPyRo
12-30-2004, 04:44 PM
the aem standalone comes with the software in order to tune it, so you'll need a laptop computer... however, the aem is not designed for someone who is not familiar with fuel maps, ignition timing and other factors that go into tuning an engine properly... if you're a quick learner and have a relatively good understanding of efi and timing with some research you should be able to tune it yourself, but it will take some time and patience learning how to use it... it really all depends on your capability and knowledge of tuning a car and how a car works... once you've learned how to use it though it is extremely easy to upload new maps or make adjustments to an existing map and tweak it on your own... if you don't feel comfortable tuning it yourself you could certainly have someone do it for you and just watch how they do it and learn that way and then later on make some adjustments... I looked into both the hondata and the aem and went with the aem for the simple fact it would allow me to tune it myself and not by someone else and I couldn't be happier with it, just my two cents though.
Ya I would be interested in doing it, but I wouldnt even know ware to start to begin learning how to do it, ill look into it though. This has got to be one of the dumbest questions but im just curious seeming how ive never seen anyone tune anything, but is it anything like that game nfsu2 tuning wise, how you adjust the bars at certain rpms, aiir/fuel ratio and all that?

casperGSR
12-30-2004, 09:37 PM
nope... if it was then everyone and their grandmother would be tuning cars... the best suggestion I can give you is to either find someone in your area who has it and take a first handlook at the software or to go to AEM's website (www.aempower.com) and download the free demo they have, however I'm not quite sure how extensive the demo is... as far as the fuel maps are concerned you can adjust them at any load and rpm range by either raw form, pulse width or duty cycle... if you do decide to go with the aem I would also recommend looking into their wideband O2 sensor.

killah_xft
01-02-2005, 06:54 AM
the AEM EMS has pretuned maps for the basic setups.. you just tweak the maps for your application. go look up the AEM EMS systems.. there are different versions for different cars, and also different sensor packages..

casperGSR
01-05-2005, 06:55 PM
true they do have basic setups but they still need to be tuned for each specific car because every car has different setups... and depending on one's skill level it can either be pretty difficult or not too bad to tune it properly... but you just need to remember when tuning, that you basically have full capability to change anything with the engine so there is the risk of damaging it if you make too drastic of a change in one area and not compensating for it in another related field... not to say you can't do it yourself, because you can all depending on your capabilities of understanding engine management.

CivicSpoon
01-05-2005, 08:07 PM
Yeah if you only have a basic understanding of engine management, or none at all, then if you get AEM EMS don't even try to tune it yourself. My friend got his car professionally tuned, and he tried to tweak it a little. He had nothing but problems with the idle even after it was properly tuned. But if you know what you're doing or get it tuned right, then it will be far better than the other engine management systems out there.

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