3000GT vs Camaro SS

Who would win in a race?

Stock 3000GT vs Camaro SS...any years.. This question came up in a chat and caused everyone to go crazy. Just wanted to know what you guys think.

If the Camaro is faster..What about the 3000 GT VR-4 vs Camaro SS?

Thanx!

There are just to many year to year combinations to go through as well as wether its from a stop, from a roll and all the rest of it. If you want pure power - go with a SS. If you want refined power - go with a VR4. If you want to know who wins the race. Draw up some parameters and we'll be glad to give our opinions.













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I have a 95 vr4 and i have imbarrassed many camaros and transams i guess it all depends if you want an import or a domestic

an NA has no chance against an LS1 camaro.

id say the camaro would win it, but the 3000gt would definatly be close

In my opinion, the 3000GT SL would not have a chance against the SS, the SL with 270hp and weighing almost 4000pounds is no match. The 3000GT VR-4 on the other hand, with 320hp and 315lb torque would be a fair match.

Originally posted by CarFreakBenP
In my opinion, the 3000GT SL would not have a chance against the SS, the SL with 270hp and weighing almost 4000pounds is no match. The 3000GT VR-4 on the other hand, with 320hp and 315lb torque would be a fair match.

your specs are wrong. The SL has 220 hp and weighs roughly 3200 lbs. It would beat an LT1 camaro in a long race but has no shot against an LS1.

An SL will NOT beat an LT1 Camaro in a long race. An SL won't beat my Accord in a long race without a power adder.

Originally posted by 96 LT1-Z
An SL will NOT beat an LT1 Camaro in a long race. An SL won't beat my Accord in a long race without a power adder.

what does your LT1 top out at? 120mph? SL tops out at over 140mph. LT1's run out of steam fast when they get reach higher rpm ranges. Also, an SL would make short work out of any Normally aspirated accord.

Lt1's top out at over 150mph. You must be confusing an LT1 camaro with a v-6 Camaro. I have personally buried the speedo and going by rpm, have topped 160. An LT1 with the stock tire size and 3.42 rear will hit the 6200 rpm fuel cutoff in 5th at 166 mph. THe only LT1's that top out around 120 are the ones that were purchased without Z- rated tires. They came with a governor and are easily identified by the 115 mph speedo as oppossed to a 155 mph speedo. The dealer would remove the limiter if you came back with z rated tires, or you could have it done with a simple aftermarket programmer. As for my Accord, if you check my sig it has an h22 with bolt -ons and trust me, has more than enough to handle a similarly modded SL, topping out at 140+.

Originally posted by VIN_DIESEL
an NA has no chance against an LS1 camaro.

thats obvious

tho a VR4 would whoop the Camaro V8's i already know cuz i know dis and witnessed it

its not proven till you tried it

i wonder what would happen if you got a camaro with all japanese parts ? Would it be better or worse ?

Stock vs Stock, a VR4 and an LS1 Camaro would be a driver's race in most cases. The VR4's ran mid 13's stock, where as the average LS1 run's mid to low 13's stock. An LS1 with an excellent driver is however capable of a high 12 sock.THe VR4 is rated at 320 hp and weighs about 3800 lbs. An LS1 F-body is rated at between 305-335 depending on year and model(though it is widely knowncthat theyreally have between 340-350 hp stock) and weighs about 3300lbs. THe VR4's advantage will be on the launch. Aftetr that I believe the LS1 car will run it down.

The SS and Z28 would beat any trim 3000gt in a short or long race.


Only the VR4 would win off the line due to its AWD.

I agree with LT1-Z, the VR4 would have a large advantage at the start but i think the muscle of the camaro would eventually take the race.:D

Yup - an LS1 and VR4 are a driver decides race.













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A vr4
would creme the camaro in 0-60 launch.
the camaro would be playing catch up thru damn near an entire quarter mile race against a stock vr4.

here again, the better looking car by FAR is the 3000gt.
A camaro just cant compare in looks. It's not even close.
As stock cars go, the owner of a GT may give up power
to have style. In my opinion, there are very few cars that look as good as the GTO.
Ive always liked Corvettes, and have owned them. A 98 GTO parked sided by side with a 2000 vette, is a hard call. It depends on what you like. My preference in looks is the GTO.
GTO by far over older model vettes.
GTO over any model Camaro.
GTO did someone say mustang looks? GTO!!!!!!
GTO over Supra???? Yeah I think so.
GTO in looks over 300zx. it's close but GTO!
GTO vs Mazda rx7 in looks???? nope afraid not. GTO.
GTO trans Am....no thank you, i'll keep my GTO.

Next tool down the road , make note of how many mustangs, camaros, trans ams, and vettes you see. And look very hard for a GT.
Much more rare to see the GT than any of the above.
Which again in my opinion, makes it unique.

Keep dreaming, a 3000 GT better looking? Not really.
I doubt that a Camaro z-28 or SS would be far from getting
creamed. :rolleyes:

HelsFury, opinion on looks does'nt mean much. No offense, but to each his own. There are some people who think an AMC Javelin is an attractive car,, that does'nt mean they should be allowed to reproduce, but they usually do.

Let me put it this way. The Vr4 will take the LS1 in the lunch ONLY. After 40mph the camaro will be coming fast and after that it wouldnt be really much of a race. It wont be nice to even watch the SS pulling away from the VR4. To prove that the SS is faster they should start from a roll at the sweet point for the VR4 which is around 3K and then let them go. The VR4 will bascially watch the rear of the SS getting smaller and smaller by time. U want to know who is faster compare Trapspeeeds. What does the VR4 traps are? I know that the SS is between 105-108 BONE STOCK. What does the VR4 traps at? Im assuming with only 230REAL AWD HP against 300RWHP it would get between 100-103.

Duh, of course running the cars from each others strenghts are going to get different results. However, I still stand by my original statment that the cars are pretty damn close so the better driver will decide any race.













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Originally posted by YogsVR4
Duh, of course running the cars from each others strenghts are going to get different results. However, I still stand by my original statment that the cars are pretty damn close so the better driver will decide any race.

What did ur cars dyno at stock? and what did u get in the 1/4 mile stock? Ofcourse if they are modded well i know they are fast. I have a friend with a 92 dodge stealth, he has 15g's with alot of shit done to the car. His car dyno'd at 424AWHP and 398AWTQ which is alot for a AWD car. He cant start from a dead stop because the Transmission on the 3000GT/Stealth R/T/ VR4 are very weak and can be broken easy.He broke two already. He does beat me from a roll when we race from time to time above 3rd to 4th gear. A roll from 1st gear he does have a hard time passing me because he cant shift fast due to fule problems( i guess) and i usually starts at a very low RPM so i can run away before his Turbo's kick in :D .

I've never dynoed or put the car on a track. The 94 is stock so I wont expect anything but what most people get with those which is all over in the 13s. The 95 actually has quite a large number of mods but because its the spyder, I think its mods + extra weight will make it just slightly faster then the 94. At least it feels that way to me.

I'd like to get a dyno on the cars done, but the nearest one that can work on a AWD car is down in Chicago and thats quite a haul from here. Your buddy will certainly rip his transmission apart if he drops the clutch from 4500 rpms often enough with that kind of power in there.

The guy at AAM hit a 10.78 (or there abouts) with his firt gen Stealth. And that had the stock transmission in there so it can take some beating. I posted a link to a video of him with that run in the car video forum (cars in general area). Quite the accomplishment for these cars.













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okay i heard a guy say his LT1 tops out at 150 or whatever
thats only if its like a 1993 or less
My friends 19994 Lt1 Camaro has a speed limit at 105 until he gets the limit removed
And of the subject of VR4 vs Camaro
VR4 would beat the camaro i would think
Z28 , SS , LT1 it doesnt matter
it would be close but if you upgraded the stock turbos it would crush it


Later
Darklatin

Originally posted by DarkLatin
okay i heard a guy say his LT1 tops out at 150 or whatever
thats only if its like a 1993 or less
My friends 19994 Lt1 Camaro has a speed limit at 105 until he gets the limit removed
And of the subject of VR4 vs Camaro
VR4 would beat the camaro i would think
Z28 , SS , LT1 it doesnt matter
it would be close but if you upgraded the stock turbos it would crush it


Later
Darklatin


:rolleyes:

It is true an SS or Z28 would take a vr4 (stock for stock).

Dark ,
Your a little confused on the LT1 Camaros. Your friends Camaro has
a 115 MPH speedo and some non performance tires that came out on
a few Camaros, thats why his is limited to 105 top speed and plus the
governor. Also Ive had my 98 Z-28 6 - speed to 135 (which didnt take
antime to get to 135) , but Ive read that its top speed is almost 160MPH,
and thats supposed to be governed also, so who knows how fast they
will go. As for the VR4-'s whippin Lt1's and LS1's this boils down to how
good a driver is for these two cars....:D

Well... F u dude
lol
A 3000gt VR4 and a Camaro SS both stock the VR4 would win
even not a Vr4 with all stages have 750 hp
so
MUAHAHAH
eat it



The Mexican
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Dark were not talking about different stages here, were talking about stock SS vs. Stock VR4. So stop acting like a moron and look at the facts a little closer.

Dark,

I take it your really swift.

:rolleyes:

Sure, LS1's are faster stock to stock (wait-thats not right), but what would you rather have. The most exotic looking of the TT imports, or a dated '82+ design, live axel(yes, they can still haul ass around a track), have you ever seen the interior of an F-body? Makes you want to puke(cheap plastic, archaic design, its a dinosaur). Not to mention the steering wheel! If you live anywhere with inclement weather, come'on (the beasts do have TC now though don't they?) There both high speed freeway cruisers, though. A 2001 Z28 runs a 5.5 to 60mph and a 13.9/103.4mph 1/4. (R&T)
A '99 VR4 runs a 4.8 to 60mph and a 13.5-6ish/? in the 1/4. In case you dont know, AWD cars trap speeds are lower because they have no wheelspin, hence this comparo and check out a 911 Turbo vs a GTS Viper. A turbo covers ground faster but with no wheelspin the GTS has the higher trap. Oh, were comparing an SS here 5.5 and a 13.9/105.3mph(R&T).

Originally posted by HondAcuraKiller
Sure, LS1's are faster stock to stock (wait-thats not right), but what would you rather have. The most exotic looking of the TT imports, or a dated '82+ design, live axel(yes, they can still haul ass around a track), have you ever seen the interior of an F-body? Makes you want to puke(cheap plastic, archaic design, its a dinosaur). Not to mention the steering wheel! If you live anywhere with inclement weather, come'on (the beasts do have TC now though don't they?) There both high speed freeway cruisers, though. A 2001 Z28 runs a 5.5 to 60mph and a 13.9/103.4mph 1/4. (R&T)
A '99 VR4 runs a 4.8 to 60mph and a 13.5-6ish/? in the 1/4. In case you dont know, AWD cars trap speeds are lower because they have no wheelspin, hence this comparo and check out a 911 Turbo vs a GTS Viper. A turbo covers ground faster but with no wheelspin the GTS has the higher trap. Oh, were comparing an SS here 5.5 and a 13.9/105.3mph(R&T).

If its true that LS1 will run 13.9 at 103 as ur R&T who doesnt have one decent driver on their payroll said then how in hell did i get 13.04 at 109.68 with only a LID basically??? because the SS has the same Catback i have. Would a LID(intake) shorten my time with .8 and add almost 7mphs more??? Man u should go do some search on 3SI forum since they are a VR4 forum and ask the same question, which is would a Stock VR4 beat a Stock SS?? They will tell u NO. Trapspeed is all what matters to win a race, maybe not a 1/4mile because it depends on 60ft times more than trapspeed, but in real life who has higher trapspeed means that he is coming or pulling away.

Oh by the way, on the Viper Vs. the 911TT comment, the Viper will beat the 911TT in the 1/4mile, on turns, sideways, uphill, downhill, all the positions u would like to see 911TT get beaten.

the question stated any years yall can have the ls1 but i will take 69 with a l88 427 factory under rated at 430hp road&track dynoed one and it hadcloser to 600hp off the show room floor with a good set of modern tires the vr4 would not stand a chance in hell

My 98 Z-28 looks anything but dated on looks. I like the interior
too. My car dont have any ratles in the interior either. Ill take a
Camaro anyday.:D

Originally posted by deadmeat521
the question stated any years yall can have the ls1 but i will take 69 with a l88 427 factory under rated at 430hp road&track dynoed one and it hadcloser to 600hp off the show room floor with a good set of modern tires the vr4 would not stand a chance in hell

You're talking about http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/69NickeyZ28/ I'll say yippe and hooray, but it said Camero SS which that is not. The only stock times I could find were the Corvette with the same engine at 0-60 4.9 and the 14/ at 13.09 113.0mpg Fast enough stock to edge past the 13.06 stock time off the 96 TT.













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Well Stock Vs. Stock
3000gt VR4 would take the Camaro SS off the line easily
but after that
it would depend on the driver
Personally i think the VR4 would win


and yes i am swift
lol


The Mexican
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Does anyone who lives around the Area of Virginia or bordering states have a well kept 3000gt VR4 or Spyder for sale. Please if ya do message back with any faults with it such as dents or whatnot and a range of price. After that we'll talk later

Thanks


The Mexican
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Originally posted by DarkLatin
Does anyone who lives around the Area of Virginia or bordering states have a well kept 3000gt VR4 or Spyder for sale. Please if ya do message back with any faults with it such as dents or whatnot and a range of price. After that we'll talk later

Thanks


The Mexican
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:finger:

themash@yahoo.com He has a dogde stealth with only 50K on it. Its clean.

Hmmm i kinda wanted a VR4 but ill email the guy and talk about it
Thanks for the message


The Mexican
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:finger:

Originally posted by YogsVR4


You're talking about http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/69NickeyZ28/ I'll say yippe and hooray, but it said Camero SS which that is not. The only stock times I could find were the Corvette with the same engine at 0-60 4.9 and the 14/ at 13.09 113.0mpg Fast enough stock to edge past the 13.06 stock time off the 96 TT.



there were 72 of them orded from the factory in 69 2 corvettes and 70 camaros the nickey and yenko camaros had the l72 427 which was an iron block aluminuim heads i think but l88 427 was all aluminuim block and heads

if you were to change the twin turbo vr-4 to a large single turbo do you think it would be better or worse? if better then what about a race with the ss?

Originally posted by Soyo
if you were to change the twin turbo vr-4 to a large single turbo do you think it would be better or worse? if better then what about a race with the ss?

The VR4 does better with larger twins and not a single large turbo.













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Originally posted by YogsVR4
I've never dynoed or put the car on a track. The 94 is stock so I wont expect anything but what most people get with those which is all over in the 13s. The 95 actually has quite a large number of mods but because its the spyder, I think its mods + extra weight will make it just slightly faster then the 94. At least it feels that way to me.

I'd like to get a dyno on the cars done, but the nearest one that can work on a AWD car is down in Chicago and thats quite a haul from here. Your buddy will certainly rip his transmission apart if he drops the clutch from 4500 rpms often enough with that kind of power in there.

The guy at AAM hit a 10.78 (or there abouts) with his firt gen Stealth. And that had the stock transmission in there so it can take some beating. I posted a link to a video of him with that run in the car video forum (cars in general area). Quite the accomplishment for these cars.

Yogs, I was just curious. Isn't the 3000GT of heavy in general? I have heard that that is one detractor on the 3000GT. And also, what is the difference between the VR-4 and SL(Is it turbo?) . I think the difference is all wheel drive.:confused:

Originally posted by Pick
Yogs, I was just curious. Isn't the 3000GT of heavy in general? I have heard that that is one detractor on the 3000GT. And also, what is the difference between the VR-4 and SL(Is it turbo?) . I think the difference is all wheel drive.:confused:

The difference is both actually, SL is FWD and non-turbo and the weight is a problem for them both. The SL is FWD and N/A and it still weighs 3200lbs. The VR4 is like 3800 however despite this they still haul their huge asses around a track quite well, I'll give this one to the AWD and some good ole' four wheel steering.

i think 3000gts and camaros are both beautiful cars in thier own right , turbo-charged sleek all wheel drive or brutal v8 american power with rear wheel drive and that sound !!!! It all comes down to what you like . One thing is for sure , if you hate on one only cuz you like or have the other , you are an ignorant moron unworthy for good discussion altho somewhat amusing.

TIME FOR A MECHANICAL ENGINEER TO ENTER THE CONVERSATION...

THE AWD OF THE MITSU VR4 WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH GRIP TO BEAT THE SS OUT OF THE BLOCKS....THIS OF COURSE ASSUMES YOUR WILLING TO DUMP YOUR CLUTCH FROM ABOUT 3K RPM, AND THUS TRASH THE ENTIRE DRIVE TRAIN OF YOUR 40k+ CAR....

ONCE THE ENERGY RELEASE FROM THE FLYWHEEL IS "DUMPED" ACROSS THE INTERSECTION THE SS IS GONNA KICK ASS - OH YA

SO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE DRIVING DISPOSABLE RICE BURNING POS IMPORTS - GET A REAL CAR.:flipa: :flipa: :flipa:

P.S. HAVE FUN REPLACING THE TWO TURBOS EVERY 60k - NOT TO MENTION THE TRANSMISSION. CAMAROS ARE SLOWER ACROSS THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DODGE ALL THE F'N PARTS THAT FLY OFF THE RICERS AT "TAKE OFF"

Originally posted by JDANNER
TIME FOR A MECHANICAL ENGINEER TO ENTER THE CONVERSATION...

THE AWD OF THE MITSU VR4 WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH GRIP TO BEAT THE SS OUT OF THE BLOCKS....THIS OF COURSE ASSUMES YOUR WILLING TO DUMP YOUR CLUTCH FROM ABOUT 3K RPM, AND THUS TRASH THE ENTIRE DRIVE TRAIN OF YOUR 40k+ CAR....

ONCE THE ENERGY RELEASE FROM THE FLYWHEEL IS "DUMPED" ACROSS THE INTERSECTION THE SS IS GONNA KICK ASS - OH YA

SO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE DRIVING DISPOSABLE RICE BURNING POS IMPORTS - GET A REAL CAR.:flipa: :flipa: :flipa:

P.S. HAVE FUN REPLACING THE TWO TURBOS EVERY 60k - NOT TO MENTION THE TRANSMISSION. CAMAROS ARE SLOWER ACROSS THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DODGE ALL THE F'N PARTS THAT FLY OFF THE RICERS AT "TAKE OFF"

W3rd:smoka:

the camaro would smoke the 3000gt. not right off the line, but it would catch it in the end. My friend has a 95 3000gt sl, and i have a 95 z28. we raced and i smoked him. theres no way, the camaro just has torque and a better horsepower curve.

I cannot believe some of the bs responses in this thread. I swear my I.Q. just dropped reading several of the replies on the second and third page.

Lets make this simple. A VR4 traps at 100-102 stock. A Camaro Z28/SS traps at 104-106 stock. At the end of the 1/4th, a car trapping ~4 mph less, while having ~40 less hp. and ~20 less lb.-ft., and weighing ~350 lbs. more will not run with a Z28/SS. End of story. Nuff' said.

I cannot believe some of the bs responses in this thread. I swear my I.Q. just dropped reading several of the replies on the second and third page.

Lets make this simple. A VR4 traps at 100-102 stock. A Camaro Z28/SS traps at 104-106 stock. At the end of the 1/4th, a car trapping ~4 mph less, while having ~40 less hp. and ~20 less lb.-ft., and weighing ~350 lbs. more will not run with a Z28/SS. End of story. Nuff' said.

Since you like things simple - then you'll make up whatever reasons to believe your own biases. If you wish to ignore traction, gearing and a host of other relevant issues then you’ll be stuck in your little “trap speed this” and “hp that” world forever. :rolleyes:

I'm sure reading posts have nothing to do with your decreased IQ.













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I beleive it is yogs that keeps saying this.... its a driver's race. Plain and simple. I have only raced one, non track, this was a red light and we both went. He didn't get a jump on me, we left the line even for about 20 mph then I gradually pulled away. He didn't have a good jump, lost his advantage off the line and I took him out.

In this case I was the better driver. I think this how a majoirty of the races would turn out. What ever the case, you are about to see a hell of a race when the 2 line up.

I beleive it is yogs that keeps saying this.... its a driver's race. Plain and simple. I have only raced one, non track, this was a red light and we both went. He didn't get a jump on me, we left the line even for about 20 mph then I gradually pulled away. He didn't have a good jump, lost his advantage off the line and I took him out.

In this case I was the better driver. I think this how a majoirty of the races would turn out. What ever the case, you are about to see a hell of a race when the 2 line up.

I can see a LT1 f-body vs. a 3000GT VR4 being a good race. I was not arguing that.:) I'm talking about LS1 f-body vs. 3000GT VR4. LS1's have about 50 more hp. than LT1's, with all of it being top end power. From a dig, they are similar till you hit about 70. Then it's LS1 time.

Why is this thread still going after over a year?????

Why is this thread still going after over a year?????

Because some people (no names in particular) still don't get it. :)

Really the only things the 3000GT's have going for them is the AWD, I realy wish they were lighter, actually I wish both cars were more around the 3100-3300 lbs range but oh well, It'd be sweet to see a heavily modded 3000GT go up against a supercharged Camaro SS with slicks. :worshippy

No its ok I already tested this one. I have a 1992 Dodge stealth TT and i beat my friends 1996-99 Im nut sure but throught those years Camero SS and I beat pleanty of new z28's when i was stock not i have a boost controler and K&N with a 3' full exhast and dual HKS mufflers. I killed all of them by at least 3 cars and still pulling. As for that SS he lost so badly from a stop we went from a roll at 10MPH i beat him the next 4 times we did that. I droped it to first reved to 5k RPM and sliped the clutch and left like i was from a stop chirping the tires. I beat him by 2 cars and still pulling this time. These races were on at least 3/4 mile long road. So contest over stop saying they will beat the vr-4s cause they wont, Already proven.

Yes they will....

Because some people (no names in particular) still don't get it. :)

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Comparing a VR4 vs. an Camaro SS (not the Z28folks). Now I get the impression that everyone wants to compare the LS1 version of the SS. That'll work. Everyone should know that when you have AWD you can really scoot if you rev 3000-4500 or higher if you wish, and drop the clutch, your going to smoking the bejesus out of a SS. AWD is deadly off a line, but if your talking quarters thats a different story, but one flaw of AWD is top end speed. When your car has AWD it means its pushing hp to all wheels. So if you have 300hp and you push it to 4 wheels 300/4, you get 75hp per wheel. 300hp pushed through 2 rear wheels 300/2, you get 150hp per wheel. The more horsepower you send to the wheels with increase your top-end because as you go faster your drag effects your acceleration dramatically 4 75's won't push through higher speeds like 2 150's cause more hp per wheel allows you to accelerate faster, I see no reason a LS1 cannot catch up in the quarter mile, hense prooving why the trap times are higher in the quarter mile. Also the fact the the VR4 weighting a bellyfull 3800pounds really puts a crutch on the top end(STOCK REMEMBER), but in all cases I would have to give this one to the driver. Even though a VR4 wins at the get go, the SS will win past the get go. I wouldn't put my money on the car, put it on the driver in this race hands down.

That's for the most part right. But from what i've learned, the VR4 being all wheel drive it should be ever so slightly ahead of the SS until about the 1/8th mile, after that the gearing and high end torque of the SS should allow it to pass the Mitsu with some ease....Assuming they're both automatics and there isn't much driving skill required...

Now can a mod please close this thread.