Just how good is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ400? This car is considered the ultimate EVO, coming from the factory with 400+ HP. We all know about the Corvette Z06 and what it can do, no stock EVO VIII could compare to a Corvette Z06 stock for stock, until now. Another great american car is the 2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R, would the EVO MR FQ400 destroy the Cobra R? Which is best, the 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ400 or the 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 or the 2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R?

2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ400
2.0L Turbocharged 4-Cylinder
405HP@6800RPM
355TQ@5000RPM
6-Speed Manual
AWD

vs.

2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
5.7L 8-Cylinder
405HP@6000RPM
400TQ@4800RPM
6-Speed Manual
RWD

vs.

2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R
5.4L 8-Cylinder
385HP@6250RPM
385TQ@4250RPM
6-Speed Manual
RWD

I gotta go with the Evo on this one. As quick as the Z06 is, that Evo is just too crazy.

EVO... and it's CHEAPER

EVO... and it's CHEAPER

Ya, being that the FQ 400 cost like $82,000 it is definately not cheaper and only sold in Europe.I don't think it comes from the factory like that. Does Mitsubishi acually make it? I thought a company in Europe buys them and then modifies them.

i voted evo. that car is insane. that damn car makes almost as much hp per liter as my whole engine makes.

I vote evo too... 3.5 secs 0-60. Porsche Carrera GT 3.8 secs 0-60. The evo's fast, nimble, it can do 4 to 1 wheel drive.... just too crazy.

Ya, being that the FQ 400 cost like $82,000 it is definately not cheaper and only sold in Europe.I don't think it comes from the factory like that. Does Mitsubishi acually make it? I thought a company in Europe buys them and then modifies them.

That $82,000 is high, but all cars in the UK are much more expensive than what they would cost here in the United States. The Corvette price tag in the the UK is also around $80,000, so in reality, the two cars cost relatively the same.

Ya, but i'm sure that is because they have to ship the Corvettes over there. The Evo is a great car, but for $47,000 you can get a 601hp '04 Mustang Cobra with all Cobra R suspension and other goodies. It is a package that can be ordered on the last of Cobras for the year. And will do 0-60mph in 3.9 and the 1/4mile in 11.9 seconds.

Ya, but i'm sure that is because they have to ship the Corvettes over there.

No, England just charges ridiculously high taxes on imports to protect their own economy.

Ya, but i'm sure that is because they have to ship the Corvettes over there. The Evo is a great car, but for $47,000 you can get a 601hp '04 Mustang Cobra with all Cobra R suspension and other goodies. It is a package that can be ordered on the last of Cobras for the year. And will do 0-60mph in 3.9 and the 1/4mile in 11.9 seconds.

They have to ship the EVO too... Plus as was just mentioned England has very high taxes, the cost of living is much more expensive there than it is here.

why dont you put the 2005 z06 in here instead....isn't it supposed to have 520 hp....and as fars as looks the evo has nothin on the vette

Two Reason why the 2006 Z06 isn't there, first reason is because not enough information is avaliable about that car, and second I wanted the cars to have similiar HP numbers. That's why I don't have a Viper in the comparison.

are we comparing looks as well? Or just performance?

....how about quality?

As far as subjective styling points go, Z06 all the way. The Evo doesn't have the sleek sporty style that I like, and neither does the Cobra.

Performance wise the Evo is going to have to get the nod. The old Evo VIII has proven its solid backing numbers, and I wouldn't expect the FQ400 to be anything different.

To bad it isn't offered in US, and chances are if it were, it would be watered down a bit. Gas sucks here, and it would more than likely have to change a bit to compensate.

The price of a new C6 in UK is around 40,000 pounds so I couldn't see an older Z06 worth more than that. 46,999 pounds for the FQ400 would make it cost $13,000 more than a C6. For cars that are both bargains for what you get, is it worth the extra dough? (what do you guys think?) Of coarse this isn't all about value, so I'll leave that where it is.

At the end of the day I would still rather drive the Z06, but hey, thats just the way I like my sports cars!

The Cobra R is a worthy note, but I think it would still fall slightly short of the Z06, and a bit behind the FQ400. This doesn't mean its not a good car, its just not my cup of tea.

well the evo puts out 405 at 6800rpm and the corvette at 6k, and motor for motor the corvette takes the evo seeing how the mr uses forced induction. supercharge the ls1 and you've got yourself a badass motor which is much more than an ordinary evo. also look at the torque 355 vs 400. and then you've got weight. so the only real way to test this is not only on a straight track but on a few curves. but honestly you cant compare new to old, they upped the hp in the evo so why cant chevy? (meaning use the 05 z06 instead) and seeing how were talking new, lets not get started on the ls2...

you make the FQ sound like it can't handle compared to a Vette. on the top gear test track, the FQ was almost as fast a 500hp lamborghini gallardo.

you make the FQ sound like it can't handle compared to a Vette. on the top gear test track, the FQ was almost as fast a 500hp lamborghini gallardo.

The Murcielago. Not the Gallardo. It beat the Gallardo. On straights as well and by quite a bit.

well the evo puts out 405 at 6800rpm and the corvette at 6k, and motor for motor the corvette takes the evo seeing how the mr uses forced induction. supercharge the ls1 and you've got yourself a badass motor which is much more than an ordinary evo. also look at the torque 355 vs 400. and then you've got weight. so the only real way to test this is not only on a straight track but on a few curves. but honestly you cant compare new to old, they upped the hp in the evo so why cant chevy? (meaning use the 05 z06 instead) and seeing how were talking new, lets not get started on the ls2...

I wouldn't really consider the 2004 Z06 as old, and last time I checked the C6 Z06 is suppose to be a 2006 model, so really what are you talking about? And supercharge this and it will be better, I'm asking how the cars compare stock for stock so stay on topic, and I wouldn't under estimate the 4G63T.

I would obviously choose the Z06 followed by the Stang.
The problem I have with the Lancer is it seems quite unusual to have a 4cyl engine doing 405hp from the factory. Something in the back of my mind keeps saying, "What’s the catch?".

I would obviously choose the Z06 followed by the Stang.
The problem I have with the Lancer is it seems quite unusual to have a 4cyl engine doing 405hp from the factory. Something in the back of my mind keeps saying, "What’s the catch?".


Ther catch is there will be very few of them and quite expensive.


And its not 405 from the factory, they come in england as regular lancer EVOs and they get torn up there and fully rebuild by the same guys that build Mitsu's WRC engines. So you can rest assured that the engine is bulletproof.

Ther catch is there will be very few of them and quite expensive.


And its not 405 from the factory, they come in england as regular lancer EVOs and they get torn up there and fully rebuild by the same guys that build Mitsu's WRC engines. So you can rest assured that the engine is bulletproof.

So it’s kind of like the same deal as with the Callaway Corvettes.

ie: Standard car goes from factory to a tuning workshop where the engine is stripped down and rebuilt with different parts and added performance accessories.

I would obviously choose the Z06 followed by the Stang.
The problem I have with the Lancer is it seems quite unusual to have a 4cyl engine doing 405hp from the factory. Something in the back of my mind keeps saying, "What’s the catch?".

I do know what you mean as far as having a small 4cylinder pushing 405hp. That is absolutley ridiculous....and quite impressive at the same time. Although these cars make their horsepower in very unique and mutually different ways, the same general reason remains. These are engines built to serve our passionate lives in a more thrilling sensation. A feeling that gives' somebody a reason to get up early in the morning. (or not....maybe its only me?) But you get the idea, all these cars are very respectable cars, that deserve their respect (as they do recieve). In the end of it all, different cars are loved to be essentially hated. And thus, the great automotive individuality and backing begins!

Crazy Automotive Theory 101 and a half..

So it’s kind of like the same deal as with the Callaway Corvettes.

ie: Standard car goes from factory to a tuning workshop where the engine is stripped down and rebuilt with different parts and added performance accessories.


kind of, but the EVO FQ 400 has official factory backing and involvement so its not considered a tuner car.

Chevy could do the same with lingenfelter or callaway but they would have to be responsible for the cars. Submit them to the DOT as part of their fleet, and offer waranties to customers.

kind of, but the EVO FQ 400 has official factory backing and involvement so its not considered a tuner car.

Chevy could do the same with lingenfelter or callaway but they would have to be responsible for the cars. Submit them to the DOT as part of their fleet, and offer waranties to customers.

It would be interesting if Chevy did something similar with the Vette but it would probably be far too expensive. If they stuck a built racing LS2 engine in a Corvette it would probably fall short of being street legal.

It would be interesting if Chevy did something similar with the Vette but it would probably be far too expensive. If they stuck a built racing LS2 engine in a Corvette it would probably fall short of being street legal.


true its not easy for manufacturers to do stuff like that, they have to certify the whole car all over again to make sure its road legal. And probably the worst is offering warranties. People would take that vette and abuse at the strip and road courses, and chevy would have to train a bunch of technicians all over the country to fix it.

I think the closest thing I can think of is AMG, the M branch, SVT w/Ford, PVO w/Dodge, etc...tuned in house...w/warranties

2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ400
recockulous value.

no way I would take a poor build quality vehichle over a vette. The vette has the same hp and more torque at less than 3100lbs. the vette is not all tweaked out and has a lot of extra hp potential out of the box. But I'm biased since I drive a Z06. I went 11.9 with only headers and CAI on factory tires. for about five grand I'll be deep in the 10s. All this for a road race car that just happens to go fast in a straight line+chicks dig it.

wait a minute, did someone say they'd wouldn't take a 'poor build quality' vehicle over a corvette?
since when were corvettes high quality build/material cars?

wait a minute, did someone say they'd wouldn't take a 'poor build quality' vehicle over a corvette?
since when were corvettes high quality build/material cars?

Quality improved from about 1981 onward when the Corvette was given it's own assembly plant in Kentucky. Apparently one of the most hi-tech assembly plants GM ever built.

There was much rumbling about GM's reliability 15-20 years ago but during this time the Corvette maintained an acceptable level of quality control.
Quality has also improved a lot since the C5 came out. Occasionally a lemon can slip though the cracks but this is rare. Obviously the Corvette's quality control isn’t going to shame Toyota's but I can assure you that it is of a fairly high standard.

As for materials, I heard that the Z06 had an exhaust made of titanium alloy that greatly reduces weight. The only other production car that comes from the factory with a titanium alloy exhaust is the Mclaren F1.

when he was questioning the quality of the vette he m,ight have been refering to things such as reliability, interior build quality, and longevity. the vette is a solid car by all means, and i think its reliability is quite good. i think the interior quality on the C5 was horrible, and i also feel that the evo was no mercedes either, but it is better. the new c6 seems to have an interior that has better design, but i'm not sure how the material will hold up.

moving onto what counts, the mecahical quality of both of these cars is very good (when i say mechanical i mean the engine design, the material the exhaust is made out of, etc). i think the evo is more high tech, but i also think the chevy is solid and proven to work.

overall, i would still give the nod to the evo in the categories listed above, but the c5/c6 would be a close second.

In comparson to an evo which is rated one of the poorest fit and finish vehichles produced today.

hmmm, bad interior quality comapred to the vette? sure the evo's interior isn't amazing, but it's not horrendous. the vette is...well. i'm not sure how to say it. don't wanna get flamed over something dumb like interior qaulity, but it's not very high.

btw, don't u think your a little biased against imports? take a look below. i don't know, i'm trying to keep bias out if this and rate the cars on their performance. interior quality isn't the highest on my list, but if we have to talk about it, we will. :smile:


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don't u think your a little biased against imports? take a look below

Haha nice... how do you say "owned" in french?

OK I can deal with that. I am a little biased but I was considering fit and finish IE body panels, paint coming off etc. why is there a comparison with a fast four door and a sports car in the first place? Surely you could find a better car for the money. I have no reason to dog you because I know I am the one that ownes one of these cars and it is one of six I have a choice of driving daily. No one gave them to me. I earned them as well as a beautifull home and a hot girl. I was simply stating my opinion on the subject. If you can aquire the special evo (which I'm sure is a great ride), then look me up and we will see what happens. I'm sure you will be able to carry more groceries.

I just posted my opinoin.
you are being a dick.

I will have to say though, dogging the Corvette's build isn't smart. The C5's have incredible build and reliability. I hardly hear of Z06's having mechanical problems and they compete very very well in competitions.

I've talked with owners, they love them. It's weird but I see a lot more Evo 8's on the used car lots than Z06's, and Evo's have been out for shorter time.

As far as interior looks and feel. I'm sorry but when they say Evo is a driver's car, they must be talking about one that never takes his eyes off the road. I test drove an Evo and I loved it....... My gf at the time hated it. She said the seats were far from comfortable and everything on the inside was not easily accessible. Everything on the inside also looks really fake, but hey, the gauges and steering wheel are great right? :rolls eyes:

As for Corvette Z06... Its interior was amazing to me.

Performance wise: It'd be hard to choose between the two, but I'd probably pick the Evo. This has nothing to do with discrediting the Corvette Z06, but merely because of rarity and the fact that I hated my ex gf anyway. Long term investment? Z06 all the way.

I have no bias, I drive an import.

"I've talked with owners, they love them"

how many car owners don't love their car?

things said about the interior of the corvette.
"...what looks like chrome isn't, what looks like leather would be rejected by any self-respecting cow, what looks like plastic is scratch-prone and casually fitted....."

okay, i can respect that. i understand that you were stating your opinion, and i was just stating mine. don't think i was being a dick, but if i gave you that impression i'm sorry.

the point is that the evo and the chevy do NOT have good interior quality. determining how bad it really is is kinda retarded. this thread seemed you shift from the focus of performance, and the shift was probably influenced by my previous post. go check out CAR magazine. a couple of months back they had a comparison between the EVO FQ400, and a Pagani Zonda. good reading.

the quote about there being more evo's in used car lots than Z06's is stupid. i'm sure someone can try to make somekind of inference that because there are more evo's in used car lots they must have worse quality. i'm not gonna get into that, but the vette is a little more expensive, evo isn't for everyone, etc.

finally, go buy this month's issue of motor trend. they have a comparo between the new 911, and the C6 corvette. the 911 won, but this is the statement that they wrote about the corvette, might answer some question about the interior quality, etc:

Look closer, though, and you wonder whether any other automaker in the world can get away with charging more than $45 grand for a car with such poorly fitted panels and a steering wheel from a Chevy Malibu. What's more, our tester groaned and creaked like the ship in the "Master and Commander" every time we drove up angled ramps in the underground garage at Motor Trend Towers, and the detachable roof squeaked and rattled constantly. YTou can't help feeling that, if GM had spent just a little more money and it had been prepared to sweat the detals a bit harder, the C6 could've been the first Corvette that didn't rely on price to make it a winner.

Yes, it costs a lot more, but it's Porsche's unrelenting attention to detail that explains why the Carrers S, with less power and more weight, delievers virtually identical performance to the Corvette. And why it seems more composed, more effortless on almost any piece of road you care to throw it at. The 911 Carrera S is simply the better sports car. At any price."

cheers

i'm sorry but ive driven a few C5 vettes and their interior is no where near good quality. they're leather sucks, their dash is cheap, and they use the same climate control as the denali which is dated and cheap looking. they use rubbery buttons, and its just cheap overall.

even though the EVO's interior is very cheap as well, but atleast it looks alot more solid then the vettes.

and most people who sells evo's is becasue their either too old for the car, and the harsh manner of the car is beating them up, or their kid's who can't afford to pay off the rest of the finance, or they traded it in for a STi, or traded it in to get the 05 EVO's with the Active center differential.

they almost never traded it in because the car itself was no good.

and huckleberry there is no doubt your cobra will take out a modded evo. however the FQ was not meant to be a 1/4 mile burner. its meant as a road racing car, and its a damn fine one at that.

lets see if your 03 cobra can keep up with a lambourghini gallardo on the road course. this is what the EVO FQ400 is lapping similar too.

if your car can even hang with it by 1 second, then i will say its very impressive. but your cobra was never meant for handling esp with that near 30 year old chassis with that out dated 4 link live axle in the rear. unless your got the cobra with the independant rear suspension.

but even so on Hot Rod mag, a bone stock STi lapped faster then your precious SVT cobra with 90 less hp. and EVO's lap faster then STi's. the j spec EVO's run's 12.6's stock. they have 6 speed standard with more hp, and a active yaw controller, and active center differential. all of these are missing in the u.s. spec EVO. yet the EVO without all these things are still faster then the STi which happens to be faster then your SVT Cobra.

now add another 100 hp, an active center differential, 6 speed transmission, active yaw controller to the U.S. spec EVO and stiffer suspension, and lighter weight and see what happens.

my .2 cent.

I don't know. I didn't drive the C6 Corvette or even hear about it. The thing is... It was my opinion about the interior of the C5 Z06. I felt the Evo looked too futuristic wannabe looking. I felt like I was in a ship on a bad episode of Star Trek or something.

As far as performance, FQ400 compared to Z06. I have no idea. I don't even know what that car is. All I know is the Z06 is an awesome machine. It's as they say, "been there and done that". No ratings on the interior will knock down the massive amounts of cars that lose to it in comparison. The C6 isn't even in this element because who knows what's going on with that car.

The C5 Z06 I'm sure, will take out the Carrera S.

I don't drive a cobra anymore. I drive a Z06

did i start all this?

anyway.
"I felt the Evo looked too futuristic wannabe looking"
whoa....
i think the interior of the evo looks just like any other japanese car of that size;
like a taxi.
it's nothing special.
granted there was some thought in the design of it but it's not as designed as say... a BMW 5's interior.

i pointed out the original statement cos it was saying that the evo's interior is bad as opposed to the corvettes which is well, just as bad if not worse.

should just remind you guys that from what i gather,
what you guys get in terms of evos aren't exactly what the rest of the world knows as evos.
to me, it looks like you're getting a very bad impersonation of the car that the rest of the world enjoys.
also, from what i hear about quality issues with the u.s cars, i can see why you think ALL evos are bad.

last reminder...
the FQ400 is prepped by essentially
i) the mitsubishi/ralliart rally car engineers
ii) the guys who actually devised/developed the parts for the engine upgrade.

it's not just another tuned evo and it's not like any other tuned evo.

No but someone started the interior bashing in terms of Corvettes. I simply argued against the Evo to balance that out.

You can't let someone land a blow on the Corvette's interior without balancing it out by saying that the Evo's interior is bad too.

Also, if you look closely, I said "I felt", meaning, my opinion, not fact. I don't know what kind of look they were going for or who likes it, all I know is I didn't like it myself. If this is a performance comparison, then honestly, it's hands down to the Evo if it is compared to a stock Z06. If we're talking about car vs car in total, well... That's all opinion isn't it?

"The C5 Z06 I'm sure, will take out the Carrera S."

that's not the point. the C6 was faster in acceleration, and it was ahead in the road course. re-read the quote from the article.

I could beat you in a foot race, I'm sure... The thing is, what does that have to do with this argument? Nothing. About the same amount that the C6 Corvette has to do with this argument.

Look closer, though, and you wonder whether any other automaker in the world can get away with charging more than $45 grand for a car with such poorly fitted panels and a steering wheel from a Chevy Malibu. What's more, our tester groaned and creaked like the ship in the "Master and Commander" every time we drove up angled ramps in the underground garage at Motor Trend Towers, and the detachable roof squeaked and rattled constantly. YTou can't help feeling that, if GM had spent just a little more money and it had been prepared to sweat the detals a bit harder, the C6 could've been the first Corvette that didn't rely on price to make it a winner.

Yes, it costs a lot more, but it's Porsche's unrelenting attention to detail that explains why the Carrers S, with less power and more weight, delievers virtually identical performance to the Corvette. And why it seems more composed, more effortless on almost any piece of road you care to throw it at. The 911 Carrera S is simply the better sports car. At any price."

This review sounds very biased. Whoever is doing this review is trying very hard to make the Corvette look like rubbish. The fact is if you expect a car to rattle and squeak and start listening out for it, you will hear it regardless of intensity. They won’t be satisfied until the Corvette is making less noise then a bloody electric car.
If they are going to make comparisons of interior noise then it should be backed up by relevant data from the appropriate sound measuring equipment. Otherwise it is biased towards a reviewer’s likes and dislikes.

As for the fit and finish fiasco, it seems to me that they are taking the usual cheap shoot at quality based loosely on their expectations of American cars. C6 & C5 incorporate dimensional management in their construction, essentially giving each part and panel an X,Y,Z reference point. A part, such as a panel for instance, with ether fit properly or not fit at all due to the precise positioning of the joins.

I know that a Porsche is worth the price it commands (I mean its a Porsche for god sake!). But I cannot stand the usual snobbery that occurs when the Corvette is compared to a more expensive European marque.

This review sounds very biased. Whoever is doing this review is trying very hard to make the Corvette look like rubbish. The fact is if you expect a car to rattle and squeak and start listening out for it, you will hear it regardless of intensity. They won’t be satisfied until the Corvette is making less noise then a bloody electric car.
If they are going to make comparisons of interior noise then it should be backed up by relevant data from the appropriate sound measuring equipment. Otherwise it is biased towards a reviewer’s likes and dislikes.

I dont think the review sounds biased at all. They mention facts, they said the chassis and roof sqeaked and rattled constantly. Sounds like a common observation. How many testers have you ever heard quote the sound decible of an exhuast that was too loud.

I agree with the tester, for the performance and pricetag of the Corvette, I dont even understand why GM makes the interior up to par with any other car in its pricerange, there should be more balance between the automaker's priorities.

You telling me you wouldnt prefer it if Corvette's had nicer interiors, and a more solid chassis? You dont have to defend a car when someone mentions its needs for improvement.

If i were a Vette owner i'd be flattered that the only room for complaint of my car were its dash trim...

Heck, even the Mclaren has its complaints (vague front end, twitchy rear, weak brakes, heavy steering)

As for the EVO interior vs the C5 Z06's interior, they're both below par when you compare them to the other value for money aspects of the car. Basically, if they were nicer, you'd have one heck of a package for value. But I personally think the Vette's interior is nicer than the Mitsu's... But compared to every other car on the road, they're both on the same level.

Performance wise, i'd rather have the EVO

I dont think the review sounds biased at all. They mention facts, they said the chassis and roof sqeaked and rattled constantly. Sounds like a common observation. How many testers have you ever heard quote the sound decible of an exhuast that was too loud.

What I’m saying is that it would be better to record the interior noise of a car and observe the waves on a computer as perceived hearing is based on a change in sound intensity. For example if you are in an office environment and a plate smashes you will hear the sound but it won’t cause you to jump out of you’re skin. If on the other hand you’re working late, everyone’s gone home and the plate smashes you nearly have a heart attack. The change in sound intensity is measured in decibels (dB). The plate dropping in the noisy office might be 50dB where as in the empty office it might be 70-80 dB.
In the case of cars if you have a car with a quiet engine the sound of a squeaking aperture in the interior will stand out where as if there were more noise intrusion from the road or engine then the squeaking would go unnoticed.



You telling me you wouldn’t prefer it if Corvette's had nicer interiors, and a more solid chassis? You don’t have to defend a car when someone mentions its needs for improvement.

Certainly but not at the expense of price and weight.
And if the chassis were any more solid and stiff it would probably be a risk to the kidney to drive. :iceslolan

If i were a Vette owner i'd be flattered that the only room for complaint of my car were its dash trim...

Yeh I suppose. :smokin:

But they did use the interior as a deciding factor in the review, which is a bit unfair when comparing to a car that’s some $35,655 cheaper.

I have no problem with the Porsche winning the review but they gave no credit for the Corvette's value when considering looks and performance. Instead they made it out as if it were like a cheap motorbike and declared the Porsche as simply better.
Better? A very vague statement if you ask me.

Performance wise, i'd rather have the EVO
Not me. Performance wise I find a 4cyl to be too peaky. I prefer the good broad power band that a V8 engine offers.

I think your all missing the main point of these cars. Why are there two pages of discussion on which substandard interior is shittier? We are talking about sports cars that offer value (please note the term value). Value comes at a cost. Granted a nice interior is nice to have, but its the last thing I look for in a sports car. I prefer indulging in the enthusiast aspects over amenities. As long as everything inside the cabin works as its suppost to, I'm gravy. Anyways I'm sure the person going to buy one of these cars are interested in it because of its appealing cabin....(give me a break). I cannot believe we're trying to justify these cars by their interior!! Somebody slap me so I can wake up!

I think the automotive world is becoming spoiled by Europeans expensive and refined automobilies :( .

When in doubt, always blame the Europeans!! :lol:

There is not doubt that the EVO MR FQ400 will take the lead and pass Corvette Z06 and Mustang Cobra R because it got a light weight .. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon7.gif

There is not doubt that the EVO MR FQ400 will take the lead and pass Corvette Z06 and Mustang Cobra R because it got a light weight .. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon7.gif

The FQ400 weighs more then the Z06.
3118lbs (Z06) verses 3240lbs (FQ400) a difference of 122lbs.

The FQ400 weighs more then the Z06.
3118lbs (Z06) verses 3240lbs (FQ400) a difference of 122lbs.

Do you have a site proves the weight ?

Do you know the Evo FQ400 passed a Lamborghini Murcielago and you can see the video in Car videos Fourm ?!

Do you have a site proves the weight ?
2002 Z06 specs (http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/02chevroletcorvettez06.html)

FQ400 specs (http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/evofq400.html)

Do you know the Evo FQ400 passed a Lamborghini Murcielago and you can see the video in Car videos Fourm ?!

I havent seen it because govenment computers are so so slow that I cannot streem it let alone download it.

Vettribution87

It still has a light weight , if you compare it to a stock 3000GT 91 which weighs 3789.7 lbs exactly 1719kg .. you will probably say it's weightless .

How many seconds can the FQ400 run a 1/4 time ?

btw the corvette isn't faster than the Evo from 0-100 .

Corevette Z06 2002 sprints from 0-100 in 9.5s .
Mitsubishi Lancer FQ400 sprints from 0-100 in 9.1s .

After 100mph who will win ? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon7.gif

I havent seen it because govenment computers are so so slow that I cannot streem it let alone download it.

:lol: Sry bought that. But hey, if it wasn't for computers like that, I wouldn't be able to make fun of them!!

Crap I'm getting off the thread.

P.S. You never saw this reply

Vettribution87

It still has a light weight , if you compare it to a stock 3000GT 91 which weighs 3789.7 lbs exactly 1719kg .. you will probably say it's weightless.
Certainly the FQ400 is no boat anchor. It is as light as they come, especially considering the AWD system it has to lug around, but fact is fact and the Corvette is indeed lighter.

How many seconds can the FQ400 run a 1/4 time ?.
I do not know but the 2002 Z06 did a 1/4-mile time of 12.5 sec.

btw the corvette isn't faster than the Evo from 0-100 .

Corevette Z06 2002 sprints from 0-100 in 9.5s .
Mitsubishi Lancer FQ400 sprints from 0-100 in 9.1s
Indeed. That is the advantage offered by AWD and short ratio gearing. It’s an advantage but not necessarily one that would garner a decisive victory over a Z06. Unless of course it was raining.

After 100mph who will win ? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon7.gif
I would say the Z06 because of the enormous effect aerodynamics has at the higher speeds. The Corvettes shape and low profile allow it to reach higher speeds with less drag. The FQ400 is still loosely based on a humble 4-door sedan and so the vehicles profile would be higher then the Vettes even if you lowered the suspension to point it was almost scraping the pavement. This is where the body kit comes in. In order to stop the FQ400 from taking off like a plane at high speed it is necessary to fit a large air dam at the front and a huge spoiler at the back. This may keep traction a plenty at higher speed but it also reduces you’re top end acceleration as well as top speed due to excessive drag.

I think that the Corvette gonna smoke the FQ400

from rolling and top speed race , And I think the evo will

pass the Corvette in Qurater Mile . The Weight of

the FQ400 is good and lighter if you compared it to

the Panzer (( 3000GT )) .

I don't see why there is much debate about this, the FQ400 was able to beat a Pagani Zonda, which has a 7.3 litre V8 and 547 bhp while weighing a light (For a 7.3 V8 Supercar) 1280 Kg.

So by all logic a Zonda could beat a Corvette Z06, hence a FQ400 could as well.

Add to that: The Evo's modifications that tickle it to 400bhp are done by Ralliart, who I believe are a fully controlled by Mitsubishi (Either way they are factory backed)

The Evo has the added bonus of AWD and an active differential (Which means it can be driven in all weather).

Jimster

I've read about the FQ400 that accelerates from 0-60mph faster than Zonda but I don't think it's faster after 60 MPH or a faster in a race from rolling .. AWD system helps the Evo to accelerate quickly to 60 MPH .

I don't see why there is much debate about this, the FQ400 was able to beat a Pagani Zonda, which has a 7.3 litre V8 and 547 bhp while weighing a light (For a 7.3 V8 Supercar) 1280 Kg.

So by all logic a Zonda could beat a Corvette Z06, hence a FQ400 could as well.)

It will take more then just one race to come to any clearer conclusion about this. There needs to be a more comprehensive analysis made involving tests on several tracks and with several drivers.

Add to that: The Evo's modifications that tickle it to 400bhp are done by Ralliart, who I believe are a subsidary of Mitsubishi (Either way they are factory backed)

I have heard of involvement from 3rd parties such as the tuning firms Rampage, Owen Developments and Flow Race Engines but never the less it is still factory backed as it does come with a warranty.

In my personal experience Ralliart seems makes more in stickers then parts. :p
The Evo has the added bonus of AWD and an active differential (Which means it can be driven in all weather).

Cannot argue with that. I would welcome the opportunity for the Corvette to go AWD provided it does not affect weight and balance too much. After all Zora Arkus Dutov made the CERV II in the 1960's that was essentially a mid-engined AWD Corvette with an aluminium body.

In my personal experience Ralliart seems makes more in stickers then parts. :p




Oh so damn true, I've seen Ralliart decals all over a Nissan Sentra before, though they certainly do produce some good bits.


And yes you are right there are many outsourced modifications, the ECU (Motec) is another example of this.



I agree with the rest of your post wholeheartedly as well.

I saw the FQ400 Top gear video .. The race was between Murcielago and Evo and the winner is EVO . It's not straight race , It's a track race .

I'd Prefer The Standard Evo To Either Of The Others, Though The Corvette Does Seem To Be Decent This Gen. I Don't Think It Can Match An MR

It's VERY common for jap cars (specially JDM) to have aftermarket type parts from the factory and have all the aftermarket names still on it.
guess its the tuning culture.

Is this thread about which car is faster or which car you would like to have??

Because really, the Vette... is a VETTE! I don't care how fast they can make an econobox/rally car go, or how many daily driving amenities they can strip away from an already cheesy Mustang interior – the Z06 is one thing either of those two will never be… exotic.

Think what kind of action you could get in a Vette. Don’t get me wrong, there seems to be enough chicks out there who love the rally and/or ricer image these days, but a Mitsubishi simply aint gonna get you the kind of high-class tail and Vette will. :naughty:

I will take the EVO over the corvette...just think about this...both car has around the same performance rite? EVO do 9.7km/l how much does corvette do? plus also EVO's 4G63 red line is at 7500RPM but the Vette's is only at 6500 RPM...Vette's engine suddenly sound a bit normal? (i know big engine are harder to crank up high rpm, but the new M5 redline is at 8250RPM). Turbo lag? no power at low rpm? well we were talking about racing ain't we? in race ppl always had their rpm in the boost range don't they? and as for chick.....don't u guys think they watch 2F2F? The main character drive? EVO.

Think what kind of action you could get in a Vette. Don’t get me wrong, there seems to be enough chicks out there who love the rally and/or ricer image these days, but a Mitsubishi simply aint gonna get you the kind of high-class tail and Vette will. :naughty:


High-class tail? err...won't they be rolling in Benz/Bmw? or emmm bently?Corvette seem a bit too working class for the high-class tail ur talking about?

I don't think anyone is questioning the performance of an Evo, you could have/make an evo that could kill a Vette in a race - but you'll still look a hell of a lot better in a Vette. Exotic vs. boxy car.

Hey unless you're talking about the $100,000 German rides (CAD that is, Vette's up here start at $70,000). Anything like a 3 series BMW... such a waste, they're a dime-a-dozen! And Bentley??, geeze, you don't want to get TOO high class cause at that point the broads get so stuck up and snobby you won't be able to have any fun in bed - they'd find anything more that straight 2min intercourse disrespectful, would probably yap about money the whole bloody time LOL.

EDIT: ya that didn't come out right the first time. Nevertheless, a Vette will definitely put you in a higher pedigree than the other two.

EDIT: ya that didn't come out right the first time. Nevertheless, a Vette will definitely put you in a higher pedigree than the other two.
I have to agree the Corvette does have quite a lot of heritage for a moderately priced sports car. It definitely has more pedigree then an EVO. Not always a good thing though. Every time you go to a hotel you’re surrounded by valets wanting to park you’re Vette while the EVO guy, bored of waiting, decides to park it up across the road and marches past the mob of valets to get to reception first. :iceslolan

I will take the EVO over the corvette...just think about this...both car has around the same performance rite? EVO do 9.7km/l how much does corvette do?.
The Z06 does 19/28 mpg.
Last I heard the FQ400 was a bit of a gas-guzzler. In top gears test it did 4mpg. They were racing it around but its still pretty bad. If they tried to sell it in the US it would definitely be subject to the gas-guzzler tax that the C6 Vette has avoided.
But then who gives a stuff about fuel economy anyway.


plus also EVO's 4G63 red line is at 7500RPM but the Vette's is only at 6500 RPM...Vette's engine suddenly sound a bit normal? (i know big engine are harder to crank up high rpm, but the new M5 redline is at 8250RPM).
I don’t see how engine revs are really an issue provided it delivers the power and torque numbers required throughout that rev range. But anyway that BMW M5 you’re talking about is a 5L V10. Clearly in comparison to a 6L V8 it will have smaller pistons. Smaller pistons mean less reciprocal mass and therefore less strain and dynamic mass. Obviously it would be able to rev higher but the price of that is torque and to a degree excessive weight and size.

Turbo lag? no power at low rpm? well we were talking about racing ain't we? in race ppl always had their rpm in the boost range don't they?
Turbo lag has lost many a race. It is an important issue.
For example lets take a 400hp Supra Vs a 375hp Mustang. In this Supra the rev range between 100 - 3000rpm the engine is under 175hp. Suddenly at 3000rpm the turbo kicks in and its now instantly gained 100hp making it 275hp. The power rises exponentially (rate of power change climbing) over a narrow rev range to its maximum 400hp.
The problem hear is the Mustang produces a lot of horse power at the low end meaning before the Supras turbo kicks in its like a race between a 290hp Mustang and a 175hp Supra and thus the Mustang gets a head start. Now I know that what is done normally is that the guy in the Supra will dip the clutch and rev the engine into the turbos operational zone. But what happens when he drops the clutch is the car puts down 275hp on the ground right away, which results in wheel spin and allows the Mustang an even bigger head start.
Nowadays of course there are remedies to turbo lag and Supras that are properly tuned can almost eradicate the problems mentioned above. But what I’m pointing out how serious a lag laden turbo setup can be.

and as for chick.....don't u guys think they watch 2F2F? The main character drive? EVO.
Firstly it’s a movie and movies should never be taken seriously, ESPECIALLY "2 Fast too Furious".
Also there really is no car in the world that works as an all-purpose chick magnet. The appeal of a car to women is as diverse and varied as our own and in many cases the guys that brag about how their car attracts all the ladies are ether lying or are simply unaware that they themselves might be attractive to women.
It can be strange to comprehend at times. One girl I was talking to said she preferred my friends N/A R33 Skyline GTS to my more rare, faster and sexier Corvette. :confused:

A saying that rings out in practically every car comparison is "To each his own", and it aptly applies here.

Coming from a mustang fan I have never been impressed with the cobra r. I'd rather save the money and get an 03 cobra. So the mustang comes in 3rd in this comparison.

For 2nd I'm going to go with the evo and here is my reason why. The evo is a turbocharged 2.0 pumping out 400 ponies. That is impressive and I'd love to have one if I could get my hands on one. The thing is that engine probably has some stress put on it being so small and making so much power. The vette doesn't have as much stress put on it since it's a bigger engine and the power is distributed better. In the long run I think the evo would break down before the vette would. Plus the evo seems a little maxed out. The vette has more that can be done to it. So my first place vote goes to the vette.

The Evo is a totally different car than the Cobra R and the Z06. The R and the Z06 are low end cars that launch hard and pull, the Evo is a high RPM car, though it has enough torque to mash you back in your seat, it is a car that has power at higher RPM's. I'd go with the R, its the muscle car in the group! :biggrin: I'd like to see the '07 Cobra come into this race, i hear the test mule is running 12.1 quarter mile.
Some of you would argue that the z06 is a muscle car, but its a sports carwith a muscle engine.

For 2nd I'm going to go with the evo and here is my reason why. The evo is a turbocharged 2.0 pumping out 400 ponies. That is impressive and I'd love to have one if I could get my hands on one. The thing is that engine probably has some stress put on it being so small and making so much power. The vette doesn't have as much stress put on it since it's a bigger engine and the power is distributed better. In the long run I think the evo would break down before the vette would. Plus the evo seems a little maxed out. The vette has more that can be done to it. So my first place vote goes to the vette.

I really don't know where you are getting your info about the 4G63 not being able to handle a measly 400HP (flywheel), especially when there are so many 4G63s out there making more than 400WHP, check out the magazine "Import Tuner" and you'll see an street driven EVO on the cover that makes more than 600WHP, check out the magazine "Modified" and you'll see another EVO that makes more than 600WHP. As you continue your search, you'll find car after car, the Galant VR4, to the Eclipse GTS/GSX, to the EVO that easily handles more than 400HP and more. So no, the EVO MR FQ400 is not even close to maxed out .

As far as 0-60, the EVO MR FQ400 does it in under 4 seconds, the Corvette ZO6 does it in around 4.2. The EVO does it so fast due to gearing and of course AWD. The EVO most likely runs the quicker 1/4 Mile times too, it probably is capable of low 12s consistently. The power of the EVO MR FQ400 is similiar to a Vishnu Stage 1+ EVO which makes around 340-350WHP (380-390 Flywheel HP) on a Mustang 2WD dyno. Those cars (Vishu Stage 1 +) consistently hit 0-60 in 3.5-3.8 Seconds, and run the 1/4 mile in 12.1 to 12.5 Seconds and trap at 110MPH to 114MPH. The Corvette runs similiar 1/4 mile times at 12.4 to 12.6 and trap at 110MPH to 116MPH. So the trap speeds of the cars are very similiar, so a race from a roll would be closer than one would suspect. I mean as I type right now, there might be a Vishnu Stage 1+ EVOs giving a ZO6 owner a run for their money, a 400HP MR FQ400 with countless amount of money and research done on it, would probably take that money.

Handling abilities is a tough category to measure, but I assure you the EVO MR FQ400 will beat a ZO6 around most courses, because the EVO MR FQ330 has already done this. Still say what you want, but a Zonda and Lamborghini have already been turned into believers, and I'm sure Mitsubishi wouldn't mind doing the same to Chevrolet.

As far as price, don't go there, because yes the EVO MR FQ400 does cost $80,000 in the UK, but the Corvette does too in the UK, so in reality they cost similiar prices believe it or not.

Styling and heritage is purely personal opinion, but I'd take the daily livability of the EVO MR FQ400 with room to fit five people over the looks of the Corvette. Yes, the Corvette does probably get better gas milage, but only if you drive it like your grandma, and most people would not.

So in my opinion the EVO MR FQ400 is more than a match for the 2004 ZO6 and can't wait for the 2006 ZO6.

As far as price, don't go there, because yes the EVO MR FQ400 does cost $80,000 in the UK, but the Corvette does too in the UK, so in reality they cost similiar prices believe it or not.

Styling and heritage is purely personal opinion, but I'd take the daily livability of the EVO MR FQ400 with room to fit five people over the looks of the Corvette. Yes, the Corvette does probably get better gas milage, but only if you drive it like your grandma, and most people would not.

So in my opinion the EVO MR FQ400 is more than a match for the 2004 ZO6 and can't wait for the 2006 ZO6.

I don't believe they cost the same price. On the first page I made note that the FQ400 cost approx. $13,000 USD more and a new C6 (around 20% more). After subtracting out the depreciation and wear, I could hardly see an 04 Z06 worth anymore (and especially the later models).

As far as track times, I wouldn't doubt (with 80%+ certainty)the FQ400 would pull faster times. I hate saying this since I'm a Vette fan (hense the avatar), but the FQ400 has the edge. What really hurts the Vette is lack of good gearing. 4th and 5th are wider to offset the worthless 6th gear for any type high speed acceleration. Why else would it get such high mpg numbers? If there were a more proper setup, this would make a much better comparision. But we can only take what they give us :headshake:

As much as you cannot wait for the 06 Z06, neither can I! Price will probably be more equal, and the new Z06 will be an all out improvment. 500hp 427cub, with claimed 5.7hp/lb. power/weight ratio will indistputably make this one heck of a speeder. January 10th is the first offical release of the new Vette. Then we can indulge ourselves with auto mag reviews :naughty: . This will be the car to compete with the new Ferrari 430, and Ford GT IMO.

I really don't know where you are getting your info about the 4G63 not being able to handle a measly 400HP (flywheel), especially when there are so many 4G63s out there making more than 400WHP, check out the magazine "Import Tuner" and you'll see an street driven EVO on the cover that makes more than 600WHP, check out the magazine "Modified" and you'll see another EVO that makes more than 600WHP. As you continue your search, you'll find car after car, the Galant VR4, to the Eclipse GTS/GSX, to the EVO that easily handles more than 400HP and more. So no, the EVO MR FQ400 is not even close to maxed out.

I never said the EVO couldn't handle the 400 hp it makes. I'm saying that it makes the same hp out of a smaller engine that has forced induction which puts more stress on it.
My point I was trying to make was I believe that over time the Corvette's engine will last longer than the EVO's. Each cylinder for the EVO makes 100 hp, compared to the 50 hp each of the Corvette's cylinders make.
If the EVO was modded to create 600 hp then that's 150 hp per cylinder in the EVO. The Corvette on the other hand would only have 75 hp per cylinder if it had 600 hp.
See the point I'm trying to make? I'm saying the EVO's engine has more stress put on it than the Corvette's and it just won't last as long.

I never said the EVO couldn't handle the 400 hp it makes. I'm saying that it makes the same hp out of a smaller engine that has forced induction which puts more stress on it.
My point I was trying to make was I believe that over time the Corvette's engine will last longer than the EVO's. Each cylinder for the EVO makes 100 hp, compared to the 50 hp each of the Corvette's cylinders make.
If the EVO was modded to create 600 hp then that's 150 hp per cylinder in the EVO. The Corvette on the other hand would only have 75 hp per cylinder if it had 600 hp.
See the point I'm trying to make? I'm saying the EVO's engine has more stress put on it than the Corvette's and it just won't last as long.

Hp/L isn't what makes an engine better than another. To make an argument based upon this (not pointing fingers at anyone) is being ignorant. Take a more dynamic approach to this and you'll realize the pros and cons to any setup be it pushrod or dual overhead. But the main point is to understand these pros and cons and incorporate them in the design of the car.

I wouldn't know the exact stresses the engine creates, but I do know that a pushrod engine has more reciprocating force to overcome rather a DOHC. This pretty much means it takes more work for a pushrod engine to create work vs. the DOHC engine (one reason for their inability to rev in accordance with an OHC). DOHC engine makes sacrifices of its own due to its design. Overall, they consume more engine bay space, CG, expense.

Hp/L isn't what makes an engine better than another. To make an argument based upon this (not pointing fingers at anyone) is being ignorant. Take a more dynamic approach to this and you'll realize the pros and cons to any setup be it pushrod or dual overhead. But the main point is to understand these pros and cons and incorporate them in the design of the car.

I wouldn't know the exact stresses the engine creates, but I do know that a pushrod engine has more reciprocating force to overcome rather a DOHC. This pretty much means it takes more work for a pushrod engine to create work vs. the DOHC engine (one reason for their inability to rev in accordance with an OHC). DOHC engine makes sacrifices of its own due to its design. Overall, they consume more engine bay space, CG, expense.

So now you're calling me ignorant!?! Joking.
I know Hp/L doesn't make one engine better than another and I could name examples of why. That's not the point though I want to make.
The point I'm trying to make is that since the EVO's engine is smaller, making loads of power, it'll wear faster than a Corvette's over time. If you think I'm saying the Corvette's engine is better, no, I think the Corvette's will just last longer.

Ok, we all know engines are driven by small explosions inside of them and apply force onto the pistons. Since the EVO is only a 2.0L then it has smaller cylinders, pistons, combustion chamber, ect than what the Corvette's engine does. Do you not think it takes a bigger, stronger explosion to make one cylinder create 100 hp? Do you also think it'd take a smaller, weaker explosion for one cylinder to make 50 hp?
That's the point I want to make here. I think that since there's bigger, stronger explosions in the EVO's engine it'll slowly wear down faster than the Corvette's.

After reading back from my previous post Muscletang, I didn't realize I even quoted you hahaha. I was in no way trying to make my last post in any sort of reference to yours :confused:

why don't you try comparing to a another engien since strenght/displacement ratio is in.

since its alittle hard to comprehend for a 400hp 4 cylinder to be reliable. why not compare it to a 450whp 6 cylinder then from a supra then? 3.0 liters is all it has. however 450whp in a stock supra doesnt' much now doesn't it?

thats still half the size of a 6.0 ls2, yet the supra can make that power with just bolt ons. do you see where i'm gettin at here?

its a thing called over engineering. those cars were designed for boost and high cylinder temp to begin with. also their rotating assembly is lightend from the forging process.

your v8's rotating assembly will be alot heavier by comparison and will not rev as high. to get your v8 to make more power n/a wise, your definitly gonna have to raise the redline as one of the mods. by making heavy engine internals rotate faster, your goin to put your stress on it in a different kind of way. now your worried about the rods or pistons shooting out the side of the block, instead of the pressure from a boost engine.

and even so running boost isn't that hard on the engine at all.

example: my stock engine came with cast iron pistons, and the ring lands don't even start to break till 400whp. and my pistons are weak as hell. what do you think they can do with just a change in the piston? the EVO comes with forged pistons already from the factory, also the MR comes with a BUILT engine from the factory. so of course 400hp is goin to be nothing.

example: i know a guy with a first gen talon AWD. he has a 20G turbo swaped in with nitrous, hes making over 400hp and he has over 180K miles bone stock internals. so hows that for reliablity of a 4 banger?

Evo ~ http://www.layeredchaos.com/CSi/FQ400-Topgear.wmv

& this http://www.exoticcarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11288

Do you think that the FQ400 has alot left in it, I would say you couldn't get a hole lot more power out of it and still be reliable right? While the Z06 motor is pretty mild there is alot more that could be done. You could have upwards of 600hp with out alot of upgrades and still have a reliable car. While you might be able to get that much with the FQ400 would take alot more work and have alot of stress and problems.

And if you watch the video it says that the tires only last 4,000miles and it looked like it turned worst than my dads crewcab long bed F-250 over 22' of truck. If you like the FQ400 over the Z06 thats up to you but I'll take a car that I can drive around town and not have to worry about if the parking lot is to small or do I have to change the tires yet.

And one last thing can you say turbo lag. Broad power band of a V8 is the way to go.

mmmm turbo lag, in an evo it only lets you use about 6000RPM out of the 8000 it's good for... well thats where the torque curve is flat anyway.

tyres that it comes with wear out quickly cause they are soft compound, if you put soft compound on your vette you'd find they wore out too...

as for parking... if you have parks that can fir your dads guzzler then i'm sure they can fit an evo... my flat mate parks his easy enough...

good point though the evo is a highly stressed engine and getting more would take some work... and cash... but while the vette may not be quite as stressed its hardly an oldsmobile... and for every piston you have to replace on the evo you have two on the vette, and you don't have the option of winding the boost up without spending bulk cash... and then you have turbo lag, particularly if you don't match it all like the factory can...

if your talking about gas guzzlers the evo only gets 4 miles to the gal!

watch the top gear movie

naa i was talking about his dads truck. U.S trucks in general really.

the WRC EVO's get about that or 80L/100Km... so it figures that a highly worked factory EVO would be similar. can't see it doing that all the time personally, but no doubt if you're up it.... fuel and tyres are consumables.

And if you watch the video it says that the tires only last 4,000miles and it looked like it turned worst than my dads crewcab long bed F-250 over 22' of truck.

Look I usually respect what you have to say, but come on dude, don't be stupid with stupid comments like that. There isn't any Ford vehicle that can handle better than the FQ400 period (nothing costing under $100,000)!

.....i'm pretty sure a few ford puma drivers would raise a few eyebrows.....

sure it might not be as good in direct comparison
but for a fwd car, it's right up there with the best
so relatively speaking, it is as good.

So You're Saying A Puma Will Out Handle An Fq400????

I certainly hope he isn't, I really hope he isn't, because if he is, wow!!! Has Automotiveforums.com become this bad???

Look I usually respect what you have to say, but come on dude, don't be stupid with stupid comments like that. There isn't any Ford vehicle that can handle better than the FQ400 period (nothing costing under $100,000)!

well he didn't mean turn as in handling. he means turn as in u-turn. and yes the EVO has a terrible turning radius. it has a turning radius of a minivan ( maybe worse ) i make fun of my friend all the time when he has a make a u-turn.

"So You're Saying A Puma Will Out Handle An Fq400?"

no.
man, can't you kids read?

what i posted.

sure it might not be as good in direct comparison
but for a fwd car, it's right up there with the best
so relatively speaking, it is as good

This is turning into a Jap vs American car debate....which is unwinnable. The American car lovers will go after turbo lag, engines blowing, tiny engines, no torque; while the jap lovers will go after the gas guzzling, poor build quality, heaviness.....the dance that neever ends =D

I have to say though, the MR Evo will own the vette around a track. American cars are built for drag, it's in their culture. However, I'm not impressed with drag times higher than 10seconds, if you want to drag go build drag cars. When it comes to road cars, track times are much more impressive.

My .02c

i'm sorry but ive driven a few C5 vettes and their interior is no where near good quality. they're leather sucks, their dash is cheap, and they use the same climate control as the denali which is dated and cheap looking. they use rubbery buttons, and its just cheap overall.

even though the EVO's interior is very cheap as well, but atleast it looks alot more solid then the vettes.

and most people who sells evo's is becasue their either too old for the car, and the harsh manner of the car is beating them up, or their kid's who can't afford to pay off the rest of the finance, or they traded it in for a STi, or traded it in to get the 05 EVO's with the Active center differential.

they almost never traded it in because the car itself was no good.

and huckleberry there is no doubt your cobra will take out a modded evo. however the FQ was not meant to be a 1/4 mile burner. its meant as a road racing car, and its a damn fine one at that.

lets see if your 03 cobra can keep up with a lambourghini gallardo on the road course. this is what the EVO FQ400 is lapping similar too.

if your car can even hang with it by 1 second, then i will say its very impressive. but your cobra was never meant for handling esp with that near 30 year old chassis with that out dated 4 link live axle in the rear. unless your got the cobra with the independant rear suspension.

but even so on Hot Rod mag, a bone stock STi lapped faster then your precious SVT cobra with 90 less hp. and EVO's lap faster then STi's. the j spec EVO's run's 12.6's stock. they have 6 speed standard with more hp, and a active yaw controller, and active center differential. all of these are missing in the u.s. spec EVO. yet the EVO without all these things are still faster then the STi which happens to be faster then your SVT Cobra.

now add another 100 hp, an active center differential, 6 speed transmission, active yaw controller to the U.S. spec EVO and stiffer suspension, and lighter weight and see what happens.

my .2 cent.
Corevettes aren't built for luxury. They are built to go fast and handle well. The C5 seats where out of the Camaros or vise versa.

I have to say though, the MR Evo will own the vette around a track. American cars are built for drag, it's in their culture. However, I'm not impressed with drag times higher than 10seconds, if you want to drag go build drag cars. When it comes to road cars, track times are much more impressive.

You’re not seriously implying that the Corvette is only good for drag racing like as if its some kind of simple, slack-jawed straight-line runner that cannot turn? I certainly hope not.

Well I’ll let you off because you’re Australian. And that’s only because most Aussies don’t know jack s#*t about American cars, especially the Japanese car buffs.

Look I usually respect what you have to say, but come on dude, don't be stupid with stupid comments like that. There isn't any Ford vehicle that can handle better than the FQ400 period (nothing costing under $100,000)!

No I was refering to turning radious like TatII said. In the video he tries to do a U turn on the track and can't it goes of in the grass. Don't get me wrong the FQ400 has great handling just a bad turning radious for a smaller car like that.

Drag racing is an american tradition, but this does not reflect in no way a Vette. Since factory backing in 99', the C5-R won 4 consecutive manufacturer's championships in the GTS class (undefeated in 04 if I remember correctly). And to be quite honest, I see the new upcoming C6-R, to be just as dominant. The C5 has a very very rich racing pedigree.

and i back the words above me^^

Not to mention that the Corvette is in the highest Solo II class for stock racing, and it dominates it.

question remains though, can it dominate the MR?

i think not.
how often do we see performance car enthusiasts comparing parking, tyre wear, engine wear, and fuel usage to try and justify a performance car? seems to me that the z06 is a mean car but it just can't match this lancer, and it might use less tyres and fuel, it might park easier and the engine may last longer.... but the fact these things are being brought up seems to say the MR is a very hard car to beat.

question remains though, can it dominate the MR?

i think not.
how often do we see performance car enthusiasts comparing parking, tyre wear, engine wear, and fuel usage to try and justify a performance car? seems to me that the z06 is a mean car but it just can't match this lancer, and it might use less tyres and fuel, it might park easier and the engine may last longer.... but the fact these things are being brought up seems to say the MR is a very hard car to beat.

A Z06 would have the EVO MR for lunch but the FQ400 I don’t know. Still comparing a modded EVO to a stock Z06 is a bit like comparing apples to oranges.

question remains though, can it dominate the MR?

i think not.
how often do we see performance car enthusiasts comparing parking, tyre wear, engine wear, and fuel usage to try and justify a performance car? seems to me that the z06 is a mean car but it just can't match this lancer, and it might use less tyres and fuel, it might park easier and the engine may last longer.... but the fact these things are being brought up seems to say the MR is a very hard car to beat.

I will agree that stock for stock Z06/FQ400, the FQ400 has the edge. One thing that makes this an 'apples and oranges' would be, IMO, the fact that the Z06 is an original american spec against a euro spec FQ400. American marketed cars = coping with less octane and all the dang hippies! :lol: ahha, oh the silly pun!

A Z06 would have the EVO MR for lunch but the FQ400 I don’t know. Still comparing a modded EVO to a stock Z06 is a bit like comparing apples to oranges.

and the FQ will have the C5 for lunch as well. dont be a hypocrite, a ZO6 is modded just like an FQ but how can you say a FQ is modded and a ZO6 isnt? if they both come from the dealership with a warranty its stock, period. you wouldnt call a Z28 modded and a v6 stock would you? my point exactly.

and the FQ will have the C5 for lunch as well. dont be a hypocrite, a ZO6 is modded just like an FQ but how can you say a FQ is modded and a ZO6 isnt? if they both come from the dealership with a warranty its stock, period. you wouldnt call a Z28 modded and a v6 stock would you? my point exactly.
There are several reasons why I consider a FQ400 modded and a Z06 stock.

Why the FQ400 is modded:
· Indirect involvement from 3 third party tuning houses. (Rampage, Owen Developments and Flow Race Engines)
· The fact that an FQ400 is made by taking a standard EVO and sending it to a Mitsubishi’s special tuning arm Ralliart, where race engineers basically strip down the motor and re-build it replacing several engine parts with more high performance orientated ones (ie modding the engine) as well as using larger turbos, different brakes ect.
· With only 100 cars available to one market only, you can scarcely consider it a production car.

Why the Z06 is stock:
· The engine used in a Z06 is a different engine to a standard C5 altogether. The LS6 used in the Z06 is not a modded LS1 and therefore is considered a stock engine.
· For the past few years all hard top Corvettes have been Z06’s. You cannot buy a Z06 that isn’t a hardtop and you cannot buy a hardtop that isn’t a Z06. Why is this significant? Well, as the hardtop is a different body frame to the targa and convertible, this clearly means that a Z06 is built form the ground up as a Z06. They didn’t just grab a standard C5, weld on the targa roof panel, screw around with the suspension and drop in a different engine.

Conclusion: An FQ400 is an EVO that has had changes done to it (ie modifications) that alter it's performance. And a Z06 is a Z06 from the factory to the show room (ie stock).

Ladies and Gentlemen I have put my forward my case regarding why I think the EVO FQ400 is modded and why the Z06 is stock. I leave it to you to decide.
Thankyou and goodnight.

Ladies and Gentlemen I have put my forward my case regarding why I think the EVO FQ400 is modded and why the Z06 is stock. I leave it to you to decide.
Thankyou and goodnight.

I'm gonna start putting that at the end of my posts, so I don't have to reply to all the stupid comments that ensue... :)

There are several reasons why I consider a FQ400 modded and a Z06 stock.

Why the FQ400 is modded:
· Indirect involvement from 3 third party tuning houses. (Rampage, Owen Developments and Flow Race Engines)
· The fact that an FQ400 is made by taking a standard EVO and sending it to a Mitsubishi’s special tuning arm Ralliart, where race engineers basically strip down the motor and re-build it replacing several engine parts with more high performance orientated ones (ie modding the engine) as well as using larger turbos, different brakes ect.
· With only 100 cars available to one market only, you can scarcely consider it a production car.

Why the Z06 is stock:
· The engine used in a Z06 is a different engine to a standard C5 altogether. The LS6 used in the Z06 is not a modded LS1 and therefore is considered a stock engine.
· For the past few years all hard top Corvettes have been Z06’s. You cannot buy a Z06 that isn’t a hardtop and you cannot buy a hardtop that isn’t a Z06. Why is this significant? Well, as the hardtop is a different body frame to the targa and convertible, this clearly means that a Z06 is built form the ground up as a Z06. They didn’t just grab a standard C5, weld on the targa roof panel, screw around with the suspension and drop in a different engine.

Conclusion: An FQ400 is an EVO that has had changes done to it (ie modifications) that alter it's performance. And a Z06 is a Z06 from the factory to the show room (ie stock).

Ladies and Gentlemen I have put my forward my case regarding why I think the EVO FQ400 is modded and why the Z06 is stock. I leave it to you to decide.
Thankyou and goodnight.

So SL65 is a modded huh? man...it come from the dealer u didn't sent it to a garage inorder to get it redone so its consider stock! By your theory M3 is also modded from normal 3's inline 6 engine.....

So SL65 is a modded huh? man...it come from the dealer u didn't sent it to a garage inorder to get it redone so its consider stock! By your theory M3 is also modded from normal 3's inline 6 engine.....
Please try to read his post more carefully. Both the SL65 AMG and M3 are tuned in-house, and they are both mass-produced. The FQ400 is an extremely-limited, race track-ready, ultra-modified car. That's also why the Z06 is infinitely more drivable off the track. I don't see what all the confusion is for.

Actually, let's make this really simple: can you walk into any Chevrolet dealership and buy a Z06? Can you walk into any Mitsubishi dealership and buy an FQ400? There you go.

Please try to read his post more carefully. Both the SL65 AMG and M3 are tuned in-house, and they are both mass-produced. The FQ400 is an extremely-limited, race track-ready, ultra-modified car. That's also why the Z06 is infinitely more drivable off the track. I don't see what all the confusion is for.

Actually, let's make this really simple: can you walk into any Chevrolet dealership and buy a Z06? Can you walk into any Mitsubishi dealership and buy an FQ400? There you go.

:iagree:

Well said. :thumbsup:

Please try to read his post more carefully. Both the SL65 AMG and M3 are tuned in-house, and they are both mass-produced. The FQ400 is an extremely-limited, race track-ready, ultra-modified car. That's also why the Z06 is infinitely more drivable off the track. I don't see what all the confusion is for.

Actually, let's make this really simple: can you walk into any Chevrolet dealership and buy a Z06? Can you walk into any Mitsubishi dealership and buy an FQ400? There you go.

SL65AMG is also a limited run car there is 270 of them flotting around. Also u can walk into a Mitsubishi dealership to buy an FQ400. Don't forget this is an international forums. In UK i can walk in and get one. not only in the UK here in Thailand is also possible. If u are going to base everything on ur own country then i can tell u. i can't walk into a chevy's dealer here to buy a Z06. so that make it non-stock? and plus in house u say? AMG is not as in House as you think they modifly EVO's too...oh and lets don't forget they modifly dodge too. and as for M3? well you guys said that the engine wasn't bone stock...M3 engine basiclly is and 330i with increased cc and balanced piston etc. oh and mass production u say? soo all the car with handbuild engine don't count the huh?

i) the M3's inline six is nothing like the 330's six.
sure you can mod it but you and your aftermarket parts isn't going to turn it into the M3's six.
ii) you can't just walk into any mitsubishi dealsership and buy an FQ400.
iii) the SL65AMG isn't a limited production car, it's just made slowly.
iv) you don't seem to know what 'in-house' means so don't talk about what you don't know.

but i should say, i'm not entirely convinced that the FQ400 should be considered a modded car. i mean, it [i]is[i/] a turbo rally based car (so aren't all EVO's modded cars?).

I see it as another, albeit limited, version with a very special state of tune.

argue away boys.....

I know there's a lot of good points out there (I've argued about this before too), but the fact is if whatever it is you're buying comes with a manufacturer's warranty and you pick it up from the dealership then it is a production car. It can very well be a customized production car, but so what? Where do you draw the line on which suppliers make up authentic dealer parts? GM uses Crane to build their performance parts roller rockers and Comp Cams for a few of their P.P. camshafts. SLP originally took Z28's and Firebird's from the factory to their own location to change them into SS & Firehawk models, then sent them to the dealers. After a few years GM/SLP produced them in house. Would a '96 SS be considered a tuner car and a '99 SS be considered production?

Here's a good example: the Corvette ZR-1. Its 32-valve LT5 V8 was designed by GM's Lotus division in Britain and built by Mercury Marine. GM's production cost on the LT5 was astronomical (due in large part because a third party was building it). Was the ZR-1 a tuner car??

Don't think so. Don't matter who built it, designed it, whatever... that car was all Vette, and a classic.

hmmmm my car's got a yamaha engine, is yamaha in hose for toyota?

better still my g/f's car has momo and recaro interior, and a kenwood cd/md all from mitsubishi, some parts are standard, some parts were options but they are all under the warrantee and available from the dealer.... if we ticked the box with different wheel style is it no longer a factory car?

it's REALLY common for jap cars like these to not only have parts changed by "aftermarket" companies but to have to strip them first to do it.

fact is when the car is built it is built from day 1 to have those parts fitted, it doesn't matter whether they fit in in the production line or drive it down the street to get the parts fitted, thats the production process, just cause you would produce it a different way doesn't mean its better. besides i'm willing to bet there are more cars coming of the lancer/evo factory line than there are the corvette line, and these cars go on to have all sorts of different specs, seems to me to make sense to want to get the extra special ones out of the way, that way you could take longer on them and not hold up the granny lancers behind it...

....should also add that in the uk, with the exception of the standard uk spec evo, all of the others are FQs (280, 300, 340, 400).

all good points but it is called the MR (mitsu racing) which makes it as in-house as SVT to me IMO. just because chevy doesnt designate the department that designs and builds the Z06 with an insignia or letterhead, doesnt make it any less modded than another IMO. chevy didnt manufacture quite a few parts on the Z06 so since chevy didnt make it, its modded as well (according to some ppls posts here). btw, since when is an engine swap not modding? atleast the evo is using the same engine, the vette isnt even using the vette engine, they just dropped a completely different one in there instead. thats more of a modification than saleen does for stangs (which is a shitload). as far as modding goes, an engine swap is obviously more modding than basically just slapping on a bigger turbo. ( i know its a bit more than that but still...). im sure theres some inconsistancy in my post but im damn near sleep. now im off to bed, you can rip my post apart till i come back. HAVE AT YOU SNAKE!!

btw, since when is an engine swap not modding? atleast the evo is using the same engine, the vette isnt even using the vette engine, they just dropped a completely different one in there instead. thats more of a modification than saleen does for stangs (which is a shitload). as far as modding goes, an engine swap is obviously more modding than basically just slapping on a bigger turbo.

Z06 modded?! Engine swap?! :screwy:
I hate to put a fly in you’re ointment but an engine swap involves removing an already fitted engine from a car and replacing it with something different.
See below:

Why the Z06 is stock:
· The engine used in a Z06 is a different engine to a standard C5 altogether. The LS6 used in the Z06 is not a modded LS1 and therefore is considered a stock engine.
· For the past few years all hard top Corvettes have been Z06’s. You cannot buy a Z06 that isn’t a hardtop and you cannot buy a hardtop that isn’t a Z06. Why is this significant? Well, as the hardtop is a different body frame to the targa and convertible, this clearly means that a Z06 is built form the ground up as a Z06. They didn’t just grab a standard C5, weld on the targa roof panel, screw around with the suspension and drop in a different engine.

If you bothered to read this post the first time you would know from the second point that a Z06 Corvette can pretty much be identified the moment it's space frame is formed. The Z06 isn’t an optional package that goes on top of the standard C5; it’s a different model. No amount of modifications is going to turn a standard C5 into a Z06 without some kind of elaborate custom work.
The Z06 is stock; end of story.

The FQ400 on the other hand as I have said involves carrying out changes to a standard EVO. Changes to the engine, transmission, suspension and other major systems that alter the performance of the car.
Were not talking about things like sparkplugs, light bulbs and stereos here.
Here is a list of changes to the EVO that make the FQ400:

Custom built Garrett GT Dual Ball bearing Turbocharger
Owen Developments custom manufactured cast Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold and Exhaust Elbow
Omega Forged Pistons
HKS Forged Con Rods
HKS 680cc Injectors
Zytec ITP116 High Pressure Fuel Pump
HKS 1.6 mm Steel Head Gasket
Motec M800 OEM ECU
HKS Iridium Spark Plugs
Jan Speed High Flow Sports Cat
Alcon competition derived 240 mm high clamp mode, heavy duty clutch complete with Cera-metallic 6 paddle sprung centred drive plate
HKS High Strength Head and Big End Bolts
Alcon Mono6 Brake Kit incorporating Monobloc 6 pot road caliper with 343 mm curved vein Disc on a Aluminium mounting bell assembly with Ferodo DS2500 brake pads
Ralliart Aero Mirrors
Carbon Fibre Front Lip Spoiler
Carbon Fibre "Sharks Tooth" Rear Vortex Generator
PIAA High Performance Light and Wiper Upgrade
Gloss Black Team Dynamics Lightweight Alloy Wheels

Sounds like the mod list someone would put in their signature. Notice the large number of aftermarket names that crop up. Even the turbo is the work of Garret, custom built as it may be.

I don’t expect to convince everyone with my thoughts on what is stock and what isn’t but to say that a Z06 is as "modded" as an FQ400 is absurd. The Callaway Corvettes of the late 80's are more on par with the FQ400 when it comes to this. They are made in a similar fashion with the only difference being that Callaway was not a subsidiary of GM as Ralliart is to Mitsubishi.

Z06 modded?! Engine swap?! :screwy:
I hate to put a fly in you’re ointment but an engine swap involves removing an already fitted engine from a car and replacing it with something different.
See below:



If you bothered to read this post the first time you would know from the second point that a Z06 Corvette can pretty much be identified the moment it's space frame is formed. The Z06 isn’t an optional package that goes on top of the standard C5; it’s a different model. No amount of modifications is going to turn a standard C5 into a Z06 without some kind of elaborate custom work.
The Z06 is stock; end of story.

The FQ400 on the other hand as I have said involves carrying out changes to a standard EVO. Changes to the engine, transmission, suspension and other major systems that alter the performance of the car. Oh an also i think i know what in house mean...it mean that the mod company is own by the firm.... and go check...AMG do mod dodge and mitsubishi....
Were not talking about things like sparkplugs, light bulbs and stereos here.
Here is a list of changes to the EVO that make the FQ400:

Custom built Garrett GT Dual Ball bearing Turbocharger
Owen Developments custom manufactured cast Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold and Exhaust Elbow
Omega Forged Pistons
HKS Forged Con Rods
HKS 680cc Injectors
Zytec ITP116 High Pressure Fuel Pump
HKS 1.6 mm Steel Head Gasket
Motec M800 OEM ECU
HKS Iridium Spark Plugs
Jan Speed High Flow Sports Cat
Alcon competition derived 240 mm high clamp mode, heavy duty clutch complete with Cera-metallic 6 paddle sprung centred drive plate
HKS High Strength Head and Big End Bolts
Alcon Mono6 Brake Kit incorporating Monobloc 6 pot road caliper with 343 mm curved vein Disc on a Aluminium mounting bell assembly with Ferodo DS2500 brake pads
Ralliart Aero Mirrors
Carbon Fibre Front Lip Spoiler
Carbon Fibre "Sharks Tooth" Rear Vortex Generator
PIAA High Performance Light and Wiper Upgrade
Gloss Black Team Dynamics Lightweight Alloy Wheels

Sounds like the mod list someone would put in their signature. Notice the large number of aftermarket names that crop up. Even the turbo is the work of Garret, custom built as it may be.

I don’t expect to convince everyone with my thoughts on what is stock and what isn’t but to say that a Z06 is as "modded" as an FQ400 is absurd. The Callaway Corvettes of the late 80's are more on par with the FQ400 when it comes to this. They are made in a similar fashion with the only difference being that Callaway was not a subsidiary of GM as Ralliart is to Mitsubishi.

So this mean a Skyline GT-R is tuned from the factory too? because the turbo is made by Garret? and :grinno: NUR version then will be consider are race car? because its engine passed FIA's check for N1 class? dude...what u trying to prove here?

My Z must be a tuner because its got so much AC Delco shit in it... :p

lol I'm just pullin chains here

i see your point guy, but i find it funny that you say an MR is modded because it uses parts that mitsu didnt make when we all know a Z06 uses parts chevy (and most others) didnt make, that logic is hypocritical so im axxing it. im getting tired of people saying "you didnt read his post..." because its obvious you didnt read mine right. im not trying to prove that a Z06 is modded more than a MR, im just saying if one is considered modded albeit more, doesnt mean the next one isnt.

the other defense i keep getting (which is quite good i might add) is that because its a different engine, and because of the hard top thing which doesnt fly with me because the frame from the Z06 is the same as the C5 in that aspect, just because they havent recently made any FRC C5s doesnt mean that frame is designated a Z06 frame, if it was then no one could have owned a vette with that frame without owning a Z06 which we know isnt true so im going to axe that logic as well. what we are left with is the engine thing which like i said is a good argument that i cant refute at this moment (or ever). *hands Vettribution87 a beer*

*hands Vettribution87 a beer*

I agree~ :iceslolan he ran out of excues to use....FQ400 is better!

i see your point guy, but i find it funny that you say an MR is modded because it uses parts that mitsu didnt make when we all know a Z06 uses parts chevy (and most others) didnt make, that logic is hypocritical so im axxing it. im getting tired of people saying "you didnt read his post..." because its obvious you didnt read mine right. im not trying to prove that a Z06 is modded more than a MR, im just saying if one is considered modded albeit more, doesnt mean the next one isnt.
Thankyou for understanding some of what I was trying to say. (I do apologise for my less then polite reply in my last post)
In any case when you mention the "MR" (ie. Mitsubishi Racing) it causes me a bit of confusion as I have seen that same designation on EVO's with less then half the capability of the FQ400, and even on those cheap Mitsubishi Colts that not too long ago used to be sold over here in Australia badged as Lancers for some reason.
See Pic Below:

1999 Lancer MR CEII

http://photos.carsales.com.au/2489829.jpg

In any case I was referring to the EVO FQ400 alone and not the "MR" or "MR" range in general.
Although thinking it though I suppose you right regarding the use of 3rd party parts as it does seem (especially these days) that 3rd party parts are the norm. Even though I suspect that the FQ400 has received far more 3rd party attention then the Z06 I have to concede that technically it would be pretty hard to justify this as an argument as it would require drawing the line on what is an acceptable level of 3rd party involvement. This in turn would be open to bias and therefore become an unfair argument to use.
Nevertheless I remain suspicious of wether this FQ400 can be considered stock due to the way it is made; but I suppose I will have to leave it there as trying to categorize stock and modded has proven to be a very vague and opinionated subject to deal with.

the other defense i keep getting (which is quite good i might add) is that because its a different engine, and because of the hard top thing which doesnt fly with me because the frame from the Z06 is the same as the C5 in that aspect, just because they havent recently made any FRC C5s doesnt mean that frame is designated a Z06 frame, if it was then no one could have owned a vette with that frame without owning a Z06 which we know isnt true so im going to axe that logic as well. what we are left with is the engine thing which like i said is a good argument that i cant refute at this moment (or ever). *hands Vettribution87 a beer*
I am not quite sure what you’re trying to tell me in this one but nevertheless I will try explaining in greater detail my point with regards to the Z06's space frame.
Although (as you quite rightly point out) the space frame of a C5 targa and a Z06 have many similarities, it still doesn’t escape the fact that for production purposes all 2001+ hard tops are Z06's. One of the lessons learned from the C4 Corvette was to exploit the extra stiffness and rigidity of the cars roof to decrease lateral and vertical chassis roll. Now way back in the late 70's the original plan with the C4 was to make it a hardtop in order to facilitate better handling. At the 11th hour before going to market after all the chassis engineering and testing had been done management insisted that the C4 be a targa. By cutting the roof section off it considerably reduced the stiffness of the entire car, and the only way they could get anywhere near the stiffness they had before was to further re-enforce the backbone of the chassis with an extra rail support though the middle. I can tell you from experience that driving the C4 topless makes a big difference to the chassis roll when cornering.
It figures to me that when a Z06 is made its roof would be moulded out with the rest of the space frame and hence take advantage of the stiffness. This would mean that the Z06's frame would have to be made differently, and as a car's frame is primarily the gestalt structure that makes it a car then this would be the argument that would make it stock (ie: singular from the beginning).
Of course this argument can go completely out the window if we go further back to when the space frames were sheets of metal. In that instance I’m screwed. :lol:
*hands Master Hiko an expensive imported beer* :cheers:

I agree~ :iceslolan he ran out of excues to use....FQ400 is better!
Jeez, and I though my argument was full of holes. :rolleyes:

I agree~ :iceslolan he ran out of excues to use....FQ400 is better!
i dont think you understood what i meant by the beer thing. i was saying that i couldnt prove Vettribution wrong about the engine so he deserves a beer, not the other way around or that the MR is better.

holy f*ck nut evo all the way.... just too damn insane too pass up.

I agree~ :iceslolan he ran out of excues to use....FQ400 is better!

I suspected he was a dumb ricer before because of his sig - now I'm sure of it. :(

don't equate dumb people with ricers.
the dumb people don't appreciate that and deserve better.

I'm not equating dumb people with ricers; I'm equating dumb people who worship the Skyline GT-R and blindly defend all Japanese cars with ricers. :)

lol @ that.

swings both ways though... i was recently told i'd "never see an american car in your(my) rear vision mirror"... that's pretty blind to me.

Yup, there are plenty of morons on both sides. I don't see why people can't just be unbiased and get along as car enthusiasts.

this is a good comparo... i only made it to page three so i have no idea where this thread has gone, just adding my two cents... i would honestly pic the cobra, based on 1. rarity (dunno if thats a word) and 2. it has the best engine out of the bunch (5.4 DOHC, amazing). performance i gotta give the evo the nod but quality and overall drivability goes to the vette... but if i had it my way it would be a Mustang GT-R, an 06 Z06 and the evo... man that would be fun to watch.

ok its 3 in the morning and ive finally finished reading all the pages... now then i hope i can make it through this awake... as for in house, i think the point being made was that the evo was stripped down and moddified by another company (and unless im understanding this wrong its not like svt, svt is ford, its fords top engineers using ford top facilities to design fords top cars. they dont get ford cars and strip them, theyre built like that from the get go where as mitsu has an entire outside company on the payroll rebuild or modify them), and just cause the mitsu backs it with a warranty is a crappy excuse, its modified by a third party none the less so people can say whatever they want but when it comes down to it at least chevy does 100% of the work on their own cars, and i didnt know mitsu used third party companies and frankly that kinda pisses me off, ive lost alot of respect for them and that car. now then, like i previously said, the vette is higher quality but the evo has better performance, that will all change with the next z06, ill guaruntee it... and the best thing is itll be 100% chevrolet.

not quite.
the FQ400 is done by Ralliart and the outside 'help' as it were, was to optimise the use of their parts and in some cases, they were specially made for the car. Everyone uses third party parts and help. That's the point.

in this case, mitsubish/ralliart specified something they wanted and got the best help they could to do it.
after all, want the best, get the best to help.

point is, all of the cars on the list are stock.

I think the FQ400 is kind of like the Saleen Mustangs the are backed by the company, but not intirly done in house. The Saleen starts out as a Mustang GT. Like the FQ400 starts as a MR.(correct me if i'm wrong). The Z06 on the other hand is compleatly Chevy. Just like SVT is all Ford.

Edit:Or maybe the Saleen Mustang isn't quite the same because they use their own performace parts not things so redlely avalable.

i just think this word "modded" is used to loosely by some people here. if a guy at the strip wanted to run you and you asked "what are you running?" and hes says "A modded mustang." and then pulls up to you in a s281 and you say "what'd you do to it?" and he says "nothing", id call him an idiot.

i personally believe that you cant buy a "modded" car new from the factory, but thats just me. if its new and you havent changed anything on it, its not modified. thats the way you bought it, but hey, what the hell do i know *fills mug*

and wut im basically saying is mitsu had a huge advantage over the competition and really doesnt deserve credit for the car... u dont see ford takin credit for saleen mustangs, no because saleens the one that made the car into what it is, without saleen its just another mustang..

I'm not equating dumb people with ricers; I'm equating dumb people who worship the Skyline GT-R and blindly defend all Japanese cars with ricers. :)

Well...ain't the other guy defend the vette too? if u click back a couple page...u will realise he first said that rich chick dig vette...then i reply that they will take Benz or Bently(i go to a pretty expensive school i know how they act ^ ^")...then he say that those girl will be bitching soo much about money etc....he forgot that real rich ppl never talk about money because money for them is nothing. and plus when he bought up the 3rd party thing Z06 itself has alot of 3rd party hand on it.
and as for hand him a beer sorry i really didn't get that ^ ^". u can see that the whole post just spin around in cycle because if u read some of the last post it is going back to where it started again. and no i don't blindly defend all Japanese cars. so kman10587 before u start commenting on ppl plz check what had been going on around here first...also i think this post will never have an end to it. soo maybe we shall just leave it at this and all of us who posted here all should deserve some erdinger :)

The EVO takes it in every category.
The zo6 is stale and seriously in need of restyling, and no the headlights arent enough.

the evo is edgy and dosent look like anything else on the road.

One drawback is the active yaw control. dont get me wrong i love the controll it give you but its too much control. it dosent make you work at all. it really lets you know that YOU are the dumbest slowest part of the car.

Well...ain't the other guy defend the vette too? if u click back a couple page...u will realise he first said that rich chick dig vette...then i reply that they will take Benz or Bently(i go to a pretty expensive school i know how they act ^ ^")...then he say that those girl will be bitching soo much about money etc....he forgot that real rich ppl never talk about money because money for them is nothing.
Ah no.
I think you will find that it was DVS-LT1's post that dealt with the issue of wether or not a Corvette makes an impression on women. Personally I think there is no all-purpose "chick magnet" car, as a woman’s taste in autos is just as diverse and varied as our own. Different cars will have a different impression on different people.


Incidentally does this post belong to you?:
I will take the EVO over the corvette...just think about this...both car has around the same performance rite? EVO do 9.7km/l how much does corvette do? plus also EVO's 4G63 red line is at 7500RPM but the Vette's is only at 6500 RPM...Vette's engine suddenly sound a bit normal? (i know big engine are harder to crank up high rpm, but the new M5 redline is at 8250RPM). Turbo lag? no power at low rpm? well we were talking about racing ain't we? in race ppl always had their rpm in the boost range don't they? and as for chick.....don't u guys think they watch 2F2F? The main character drive? EVO.

From what I am gathering from the end of this post is that you’re theory is an EVO will have a profound sexual magnetism on women because the main character from 2F2F drives one.
I think I remember replying to this one telling you that it is just a movie and not to be taken seriously. I mean people who bought Delorens back in the late 80's didn’t get tons of action because it was the same car Marty McFly drove. :lol:

and plus when he bought up the 3rd party thing Z06 itself has alot of 3rd party hand on it.
Well come on then, you’re the expert. Tell us which tuning house fabricated parts for the Z06.
I mean technically there could be some involvement from other GM divisions and GM owned companies but I doubt very much that the Z06 has received anywhere near the amount of 3rd party attention as the FQ400.
so kman10587 before u start commenting on ppl plz check what had been going on around here first...also i think this post will never have an end to it. soo maybe we shall just leave it at this and all of us who posted here all should deserve some erdinger :)
I think "kman10587" had a go at you because of the post below:

I agree~ :iceslolan he ran out of excues to use....FQ400 is better!
To declare a car as simply better without any explanation is a pretty arrogant thing to do. I mean it is in you’re right to think the FQ400 is better but even if you do not wish to make an explanation the least you could of done was to use the prefix “I think” or “In my honest opinion”.
Also you ought to do something about you’re signature. I don't mean to harass you or anything but despite the stereotype with regards to people who like to use the words "Skyline" and "God" in the same context, is the fact that if someone were to read out you're signature it would sound like pigeon English.


Allow me to make some corrections and suggestions to you’re signature:

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The line where heaven meet<(met) earth, where human<(humans OR humanity) receive<(received) (the) fastest gift (from OR of) God(.)
(The) Nissan Skyline GT-R(.)
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Make these changes and you should be all set.


The EVO takes it in every category.
The zo6 is stale and seriously in need of restyling, and no the headlights arent enough.

the evo is edgy and dosent look like anything else on the road.
The EVO takes it in every category? WRONG.
Firstly the Z06 is cheaper. The only reason it cost about the same as the FQ400 in the UK is the Government tariffs. Fundamentally the Z06 costs less.
Also the FQ400 wouldn’t be all that good in some places other then the UK. In the US the FQ400 would have to get used to crappy low octane fuel and would definitely bear the penalty of the gas-guzzler tax. Also in some states there may be emissions regulations that would cripple it. The Z06 has avoided all of these.

Next is where I live in Australia. Around here I wouldn’t want to be driving from Perth to Albany in a high output 4cyl. I would have to pull over to vomit every 30km because of the vibration. Also in my experience with 4cyl cars I’ve nearly always known them to dramatically increase their fuel consumption and/or lower their performance if the air-conditioner is set to max on a hot day. At least with a V8 you get a smoother feeling engine that will hardly be affected by the parasitic load of an air-conditioner.

Now then about styling I would have to say that the Vette looks brilliant. Certainly miles ahead of the EVO, which in my opinion is one of the most hideous things on the road. In fact the EVO reminds me of those cheap Chinese made toy cars they sell in supermarkets that have stickers on them like "Team super turbo" or "Ultra fast nitro racing team". I find the EVO’s looks too cheesy, tacky and above all too tryhard boyracer like.
Nevertheless some people might like that chunky transformer inspired robo-tech look but I think most will prefer the mix of sleek sexy curves with the practicality of good aerodynamics that exist in pure sports cars like the Corvette, NSX, 300ZX..ect. But then with the FQ400 it was never about looks anyway.

hey! robots are tough ok!?

hey! robots are tough ok!?
ROBOTS ARE WEAK!
Honda spent all that time making a bi-pedal robot that can climb steps and yet it can't do Kung-Foo kicks or Riverdance. HA!

Until a robot comes up to me in a pub stuffing a broken bottle in my face and saying, "stitch that jimmie" then I’m afraid I have to consider all robots totally un-fistworthy.

If you don’t believe me then you can ask Steve Fox (the guy in the flaming Ford Fiesta screaming WEAK! out the window). So there! :p


:naughty: :lol2:

Eh, my original posts were confined to the context(s) of this thread - a Ferrari may be faster than an Evo but who gives a shit, we're not comparing a Ferrari here...

Once again, I'll push speed and performance aside (because the cars being compared here are all quick one way or the other). My point was (and I thought the point of this thread was) if I had a choice to pick one of the three I'd pick the Vette because even if its not the fastest of the bunch, its close enough to being the best. The clincher for me is the IMAGE the Vette has over the Mitsubishi or the Ford - it is a much more exotic car. I really don't think you can debate the issue. The fully-loaded Mustang interior leaves much to be desired in the first place, let alone the amenity stripped interior of the Cobra R (plus between the GT's and 6-bangers there's so many Stang's out on the road). I've never seen the interior of an "EVO" Lancer because they're banned for some reason here in Canada - which is stupid because that car would be simply awesome up here in the snow... but my friend has a base model Lancer and as far as the interior dimensions go its your basic econobox four-door fart car. I'm sure (I'd at least hope) that this tunned up factory freak Mitsu we're talking about is decked out in brushed aluminum and carbon fiber trim, with racing seats and plaques and embroidered emblems, etc... I'm sure the interior looks really spiffy, but when all is said and done its still going to be a friggin BOX! The ZO6 on the other hand epitomizes the true sports car: your ass rides an inch above the ground, its a two seater, you feel like your crawling into torpedo tubes when you get in. Plus, having been spoiled with Heads Up Display on three previous Grand Prix's and I think the Vette is put in a totally different class with its HUD system (even more advanced than the GP's version). So getting back to my original sentiments I know that different people will like different cars - the Evo I'm sure really hits a cord with the younger crowd (heck you can actually stuff half a dozen of your pals in one of those things for a night out). For me, the ZO6 would be the only option - I'd probably take a base Vette over the other two (or at least sell the most expensive one to get a Vette lol). And as I alluded to before, that front passenger seat in the C5 would be reserved for a very special and leggy woman. "Sorry buddy, ya I know I drove you here but you're on your own now - go squeeze yourself into Dan's Evo!"

as soon as you said Canada i stopped reading.......nah im just kidding. anyways, different strokes for different folks.

Apparently the Evo's don't meet our front crash test standards at low speeds - its one of those cars where you bump a pole at 5 km/h and the entire front end needs to be replaced. I hear "they" (our gov't??) are going to raise the speed of the slow test next year and the Evo will pass - I guess having to spend a few grand to replace the front bumper after a 10-15 km/h fender bender doesn't sound as bad as a 2-5 km/h hit.

Will be nice to see new game on our roads... :naughty:

hi all
just signed up after reading all 10 pages .

im sure there all good cars.

i own a fq-400 and i can say its fast and what topgear said about it ,, well dont listen to that..

turning lock is no different then any other car ,,, think he took the piss a bit.

mpg is about 200 miles on about £50 petol thats hard and normal driving.

turbo lag ,,,, well starts spining at about 3000 rpm ,,, full boost at 4000 rpm

if anyone wants any pictures i can email you some..

thanks jason from uk

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lol there's nothing stating specifically what OLD is... it's kinda good to get some info from someone who actually HAS one of these rare beasts... i wanna know how his tyres go.

hi

yeah tyres still ok after 6,000 miles....

does anyone now why i cant post any piccy ?

jason

:screwy:

Uh? This thread is a bloody year old!!


I gotta start unsubsribing to threads when I'm done with them... :disappoin

hi

yeah tyres still ok after 6,000 miles....

does anyone now why i cant post any piccy ?

jason

Well since the threads up might as well post some pictures of your ride...

Use www.imageshack.us and then copy and paste the tags onto your posts.

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