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Ok, lets continue Zonda stuff now

Ok... so what does everybody think of the Zonda, and tell me WHY you don't like it or why you do, and what would you change on it if you could change anything?


I would just change the rear. Make it look like a Saleen S7 or McLaren F1's rear. Just minor though.

I really like this car. It's good to see that Italy is making more Supercars! I really like how it looks a little like a spaceship. Do they make any other colors besides silver? How old is Pagani anyways?

They do come in other colours, and if you want a colour, they would most likely make it for you.
The company is owned by Horacio Pagani, who moved to Modena in 1982. He worked for Lamborghini for awhile, and now he has his own company.

He was originally going to call in Fangio, after his (infamous) friend. However, after his death, he decided not to, as he hadnt got permission from him yet.

:smoka: i like the Zonda alot. i found out about it when i was watching a TV show on supercars, WHOA what a beatiful car. There are only 2 ver. of the car right? the C12s and the C12?
out of the 2 i think the C12S is my fav.

Yup, two versions. The C12S is the best, and soon there might be a 7.3 litre V12 that goes to 7000rpm, opposed the the current S engine of 7.1 liters and 6000rpm.

Chris --- where are you getting your information?

The Zonda is not called the Fangio because he died before he could name it that - out of respect he changed it. Not because he had not gotten permission.

There are only 2 versions of the Zonda available. Chris-where did you here about another one?


My fav. body style is the C12, but the C12 S has the best engine and performance. Basically, whatever colors you want, you get! All quality pictures ever found by me are @ PaganiZonda.com (http://www.paganizonda.com), so you can check that out for a few other colors.


Adam - Zonda freak



BTW - TV show on supercars~!!?!??! when!!! where!!!!!!

The Zonda is not called the Fangio because he died before he could name it that - out of respect he changed it. Not because he had not gotten permission

Either way, it was tasteful.

The new engine is under development by Mercedes, and if it is made, guess whose going to get it.

I got this info from the October issue of Automobile, in stores now:D


PS, what are the differences between the C12 and C12S??
PSS, when you buy a zonda, you get a custom matching pair of leather shoes:)

:confused:


*raises his eyebrowes*





The two versions are described in the General Info section @ paganizonda.com, and also is in one of the threads here.

GT3 a gaming revolution!!
:alien: Has anyone got the PS2 game GT3??? The Zonda is wicked to look at but isn't the best car on the game!! My favourite is either the polyphony 002 or the Gillet Vertigo race car. Anyone got any different views?

Yes. The Zonda is my favorite.lol..


I don't have the game tho. I just am obsessed w/ the Zonda. I would be the Zonda just so I could stare at the jet exhaust.

Yo,


Howdy, just wanted to join your forum and say thanks for the great Zonda resources! Like most people on this forum, I think the Zonda epitomizes the word "Exotic." My friend and I laughed during the last Superbowl, because out of the millions and millions of people watching in America, only a couple of thousand knew that the car in the commercial was a Zonda.

Why do I like the Zonda? Mostly the styling, and knowing that you can't get better carbon fiber work done. I love the idea of having a hand made, hand laid, hand stitched performance machine. The exclusivity as well. It doesn't really get much more exotic and exclusive than the Zonda. I want one.

Your friend at 8000rpm,

KS
1989 GTUs "C'mon Lotto Numbers!"

thank you and welcome to the forums!!!

I totally agree with everything that you said about the Zonda. Good to have another Zonda enthusiast on the boards!

Originally posted by Adam
Ok... so what does everybody think of the Zonda, and tell me WHY you don't like it or why you do, and what would you change on it if you could change anything?

I would just change the rear. Make it look like a Saleen S7 or McLaren F1's rear. Just minor though.

I LOVE the rear on this car, particularly the jet-engine 4-outlet exhaust, and the F1-inspired front-nose (C12S).

Things I'd change:
- price should be closer to that of a Lambo Diablo/Murcielago
- the base C12 motor is too "tame" IMO -- C12S rocks
- make a sequential manual transmission (auto-clutch) as an option -- the best unit currently available is the SMG-II system on the current BMW M3

oh, I like the rear, I just wish it was a bit different. I love the exhaust, but the layout kinda seems a bit smashed together. It just doesn't seem to go, I love the elements alone but not combined to well I guess.

There's not a thing about the Zonda C12/C12S I would like changed. It is flawless the way it is. From the greenhouse forward, you can see the Italian bloodlines through creative sculpting; from there aft, you can see the Pagani is all business, with the exhaust cluster, and the screenvent (important for mid-engined drivetrains) with mufflers peeking through. The essence of form and function's coexistance is further seen in the C12S's split rear spoiler, which not only looks foreign, exotic and original, but also provides better rearward visibility.

IF, and I say IF anything were to be changed, I'd say pick a different engine. A brutish German piece doesn't really fit in with the theme... Perhaps borrow a Murcielago powerplant? I have a feeling the engine growls nice and loud, but it doesn't 'sing' like a Ferrari. Oh well what do I know. I only get to hear it on GT3. :D

P.S. I think the CC looks like crap compared to the Zonda. The greenhouse on the CC looks like it came off a cockpit from a Boeing 737, while that of the Zonda from a McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II.

bah, the f-4 is really ugly, how about the F/A-18a or F-16, maybe a bit of P51D?

Oh, you see, it's not that I was comparing the Pagani to some aged aircraft with an uninspired shape; I also agree that the Phantom II isn't the looker of the bunch (although it was quite a respected fighter of its time). If I were to compare the car to a fighter, I would probably go with the F-22 or YF-23 (due to their radar reflecting sharp edge designs).

But what I was really stating was the similarity in cabin/cockpit design. In the comparison photo below, note how the cowl wraps around the rear of the canopy on the F-4, which is not unlike the way the the Zonda's mid-mounted engine forces the carbon-fiber skin to flow up the rear of the greenhouse:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/111168AF.JPG

(forgot to add)

Also notice how the window sills of both vehicles slope downwards to the front.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
The essence of form and function's coexistance is further seen in the C12S's split rear spoiler, which not only looks foreign, exotic and original, but also provides better rearward visibility.



Also, IF I'm right, the split wing serves an aerodynamic purpose. The air coming over the middle of the car is already fairly high-up, with now pressure near the surface of the car, with the air being very turbulent. Putting a wing there serves very little point, except to create drag (the wing can't 'organize' the air, so it wont make downforce, it will just drag along). But on the side, especially in the Zonda, the air is very uninterrupted, so it is fairly smooth-blowing. Putting a wing there will easily grab the air, funnel it, and create downforce.

See the picture below, you can see that the air around the sides would be relatively tranquil, but over the top would be rough.
http://www.pebblenet.com/conceptcarz/images/Pagani/ZONDABIG04_01.jpg

Very intricate observation. I must concur.

very good observations, both. morpheus xiii, I must agree about the F-4 and the Zonda, the Zonda does look inspired by the F-4. I know of at least one car which was inspired by the F-16, but I seem to have forgotten it. Do you remember? I am thinking McLaren F1, but it certainly doesn't look like it...

Hmm.. Never heard anything of that, but I don't doubt that the F-16 contributed to some automotive design (it's got such a beautiful design). I'll get back to you if I find anything about this on the web. It would be a very interesting tidbit of information to know!

Just an observation...
If Ford had painted their concept GT90 matte black, don't you think it would have looked quite similar to the stealth F-117 Nighthawk?

By the way, nice changes to your avatar and signature image.

thanx :)

ooh, you are right. In a way... even the blu-ish lighting inside reminds me of the F-117...

I think I'll go dig out my aircraft book and see what cars look the same design..


OH! I just remembered which car it was!!! i just looked over and saw my Car and Driver article about the new NSX. It is the first generation NSX, the cockpit has inspirations from the F-16. Or that is what I thought... I forgot when the F-16 came out though, I don't know much in years... But I do remember which article I saw that in. It was Road and Track, and the article was about the entire first gen NSX's, their value and soforth...

this car can be described with one word, unique. The styling is exquisite, overall performance is better then any lambo's.......

this is an odd question and ill prolly get beat down for it but neway

in that picture in Shaitan's signature...

what is that little triangle thing @ the bottom? it looks kinda out of place being so low??

i really don't see your triangle Zondafreak02......

its right under the liscence plate thing that says ZondaS

o THAT! well i really don't know what it is, prolly an air outlet of some sort.........

Are you talking about the black thing at the bottom of the windshield? My guess is that such streamlined body sculpting couldn't accomodate a windshield wiper mechanism so instead of making an ugly bulge on the trailing edge of the hood, they fitted a nice neat little (and probably carbon fiber) housing to cover the wiper's joint. But who knows, maybe it's just their idea of a Caddy hood ornament.

no, he was talking about this : http://www.supercarstats.com/zonda/gallery/c12-s/exterior/31.jpg

the little triangle under the Zonda C12 S sign, or where the license plate should be.....i say it's an air extractor of some sort.....

Its an aerodynamic device intended to improve rearward downforce, in effect hugging the car to the ground. Improves high-speed cornering.

You see a lot of these on advanced open-wheel and limited prototype racecars. Formula 1, CART, IRL and LeMans LMP. A few high-end production road cars have these -- Ferrari F50, 360 Modena and Spider, McLaren F1-GT, Lambo Murcielago, etc.

Air gets sucked up from the front, and routed to through venturis to produce downforce. (the rear triangle is part of a venturi) This adds LOTS of downforce, and was first seen on the Lotus 79.

actually, the one on ferraris(the road cars) are different. they just are a triangle inbetween the tunnels. all the others(zonda, f1 cars, etc) blend in towards the rear of the car. there are also a few other diffuser designs, like the different ones on the ferrari 360(which is like f1 cars) and ferrari enzo ferrari

I have been lurking on this forum for several weeks and finally decided to post.

I have been a huge fan of the Zonda from the first time I saw a photo years ago.

I find the design of the car, both stylistically and mechanically, brilliant. Combining exotic Italian styling and panache with reliable German power a super idea. I always like the way the car looked, but after seeing more of the views from the photo, I love it even more.

It is definitely my dream car.

I would also like to thank Adam for his great website.

Phil