5.7 Hemi V.s 5.3 Vortec


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busta
11-16-2004, 09:40 PM
well iam bored so i zipped over to dodge truck world forum and found da boy's knockin the 5.3 saying the 5.7 hemi will eat us 5.3vortec? what do you think or have you tried to eat a dodge lately?

mentaldetektor
11-17-2004, 08:04 AM
my boss has 2 dodge's. one's a 1500, and one's a 2500. the lighter 1500 would eat up a 5.3 i bet. but the heavier 2500 would be tough to call. about 50 more HP, but 1000 more LBS or so.

jeverett
11-17-2004, 08:26 AM
In stock form, I raced a single cab short bed 2wd HEMI with my 99 Z71..a 4x4. He beat me by only 3 car lengths. Now that I have my Nelson tune, I feel positive that I can spank his ass. The new HEMI's aren't all everyone thinks they are.

Nigel215
11-17-2004, 09:52 AM
I was on the highyway satturday night and i was doin like 70 or so mph. Note that I had 5 people in my truck and 3 bikes in the bed. This guy in a short bed ram with a hemi pulls up next to me all like.....lets go silvy. So I floored it and so did he. Surprisingly I had him until my top speed limiter kicked in. I donno if he was just fuckin with me or if his truck was really a turd. But my friends were pretty psyched on it.

Limited5.9Cherokee
11-17-2004, 10:56 AM
having drivin both the hemi's definately arent all their cracked up to be. they are gutless in the new durangos and soso in SWB BTW newer rams have the 100mph top speed limiter also

Slowprocess
11-17-2004, 01:06 PM
I really get sick of those guys over there. I usually go over there to give them hell, because they can't get any numbers without the spray. I have yet to see a low 12sec slip from any of them, not even on the spray. Anyway, back to stock vs stock. I have seen plenty of 5.3L take down the almighty "hemi"roid. They aren't all that.

busta
11-17-2004, 04:10 PM
this is what i thought go chev! keep them comin boy's let's hear it.

grego12r
11-17-2004, 11:29 PM
hi run whit 04 durango hemi today
i got 2000 silverado 5.3 whit gipson exhaust
hypertech 111 and airaid intake system
80mm throttle bodies
we race from 65 mph
and i lost

Silver X
11-17-2004, 11:58 PM
Ok I too had A run in with A hemi.Stop light to stop light and then again on the freeway. Sorry to say but there was no compatition. He was very slow and sluggish form the get go and could not keep even when I let up off the throtle to let A car come on the freeway.He jumped ahead just for A second but then I floored it and let him have it with All
305 horse power and then it was over.I couldnt seem him anymore. As I got off the freeway I noticed the black hemi about 3 cars behind me. The next stop light he was next to me motioning me to roll down my window. I rolled down the window and he was screaming at the top of his lungs"what the hell you got in that thing"
I replied its all stock no modifications.
The moral of this story is I drive A 2004 NissanTitan 5.6 liter 305 horse power all stock that can eat up them Hemis with no problem stock.
Imagine if I were to beef up this bad boy!! The power would be unreal.
Watch out boys theres A new sheriff in town!!!!!

IF YOU CANT RUN WITH THE BIG DOG'S STAY ON THE PORCH!!!!

jeverett
11-18-2004, 10:19 AM
I want a Titan..i just can't afford one.

Silver X
11-18-2004, 01:32 PM
I.m not trying to sell the Titan to anyone I just let the truck speak for itself. If you compare the price between chevy And Nissan in all actuality the nissan comes up lower in price range and better quality.Sure Chevy is offering 0% financeing but how many times do you have to take back the truck when its brand new for repairs that should of been done at the factory.NO more rattle when you start up the motor and the dealer telling you its normal.
Come on chevy!!Dont sell A product and then not stand behind it because it will turn around and bite you in the butt later on.
Tell that to K-mart and Sears when Walmart came around.Nobody though they would have been the biggest retail store in the world.It was totally underestimated.
Thats the same thing that happining to the chevy truck product and they cant see it even though its right in front of there face.
Its the customer that pays your bills!!We buy your product but if the product is pretty shitty then we'll go look else were.
Well look you just set up camp.Nobody can deni that the foriegn cars are more reliable than the American product. I know most of you have A honda sitting in your drive way.The foriegn product has dominated the American market for years except for the full size trucks.Nissan decieded to join the race and they built an awsome truck.Read the reviews and you will see that majority of the people love the Titan and its even made in the U.S.A. I cant say enough good things about it.
Please dont get me wrong I am not A chevy hatter and it was very difficult for me to part with my Silverado but after two long years of going back to the dealer and even willing to trade her in for A new 04 the dealer wouldnt pay off what I owed on the truck.(02 chevy silverado ext cab fully loaded 26k miles 5.3 v8) only oweing 10k.I tried to reason with them but they wanted for me to pay full price on the truck and put the remainder of what they were going to give me for the trade in on the new loan.That was going to put the new loan at around 40k.
Very dissapointed I just got up and walked out with the sales men telling me what do you excpect your truck is two years old its not worth what you owe on it.I just kept walking I figured if they wanted to sell A new truck somebody would be willing to work out A deal but nobody stepped up to the plate.
I ended up at the Nissan dealership and I was amazed that they even built A full size truck.The first time I took it for A test drive I was sold. Noing nothing about the Titan I purchased it.They even worked out A good deal on my trade in.I was amazed on how many chevy's and ford full size trucks were in there back lot waiting to be sold at wholesale Auctions.With my truck there were 22 chevys just sitting back there and they were all trade ins. Wow thats an alarming amount!!
All and All I came out of the dealer with brand new 04 for 27k.
Nissan Titan king cab fully loaded 305 hp v8.

busta
11-18-2004, 10:13 PM
yip good for you silver! i cant blame you one bit. i've being a loyal chev man for yr's but if you read my post under WOULD YOU BUY AGAIN it's a big fat NO, the shit i've had with this truck is just plain wrong..2000 z-71 5.3 LT leather loaded ,bought new now has 115k, ive done the rear end, drive shaft u-joint's,new tranny costom built this time with corvette servo's,shift kit,solinoids,kevlar band's etc..(4l60e.com rule's) umm the fucking knock in the morning is killing me 2 set's of tire's,brake's all around,both poweer mirror's,4x4 switch,had it in for the horn a zillon time and guess what it's broke again???? this is just the tip of the burg! the only reason iam keeping it is because it's paid for so i might as well keep her till it's dead every thing is new at 100k except the motor so i figure if i'll keep it now since MOST of the bug's are out, why buy someone else's problem's and go thru this all again? i tell diesel next time we'll see what's out at that time i guess, if only the powerewagon had a cummins i'd be sold! anyway back to my thought on a licence plate up here in canada 8 letter's so what do you think of HEMI-ETR, iam sure that'll pick a few drag's! lol oh p.s i think chev still look's best in and out.

Silver X
11-18-2004, 10:29 PM
That sounds like A good licence plate..Gotta keep that one in mind. If you wait another year Nissan is coming out with there heavy duty
full size truck with A diesel motor.
Now that gonna be really awsome!!!

busta
11-18-2004, 10:33 PM
you bastard silver dont tell me that! lol hit me up with a site i must see this. not sure if the wife will let me have 2 trucks might have to sell the harley chopper now?

Silver X
11-18-2004, 10:41 PM
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Silver X
11-18-2004, 11:23 PM
No No not the Harley!!!! Anything but the Harley!!! Lol
Try this link and see if it works...Lol
http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/2004/titan/debut/home.shtml

tdw000222
11-19-2004, 12:26 AM
Wow...umm, ya, everyone who has said anything along the lines of "my stock 1500 Silverado can beat a 1500 Hemi Ram" are wrong. The only stock Silverado that can beat a stock Hemi Ram is the SS, and even that's not by all that much. I've driven both and raced in both against one another as well as many other cars, and the Silverado SS smokes even the modded Silverados but only has a car length or two bewteen itself and the Hemi Ram. Go look at the numbers...oh and for the Nissan Titan guy...that's funny.

Silver X
11-19-2004, 12:55 AM
I'm laughin all the way to the bank.(LOL)
I bet cha I'll give you a good run for your money. Dont underestimate the Titan.(LOL)

Slowprocess
11-19-2004, 01:12 AM
Wow...umm, ya, everyone who has said anything along the lines of "my stock 1500 Silverado can beat a 1500 Hemi Ram" are wrong. The only stock Silverado that can beat a stock Hemi Ram is the SS, and even that's not by all that much. I've driven both and raced in both against one another as well as many other cars, and the Silverado SS smokes even the modded Silverados but only has a car length or two bewteen itself and the Hemi Ram. Go look at the numbers...oh and for the Nissan Titan guy...that's funny.

A stock ss will not beat a modded silverado. I raced one the same day as the vid I posted and went 12.7 to his 14.9. I had roughly 20 trucks on him when I went through the lights.

nineball481
11-19-2004, 06:46 AM
An SS Silver is nothing more than a body kit and suspension upgrade. The motors are exactly the same.

busta
11-19-2004, 07:31 AM
ya silver the link works thanks, way cool just not sure if i like the body style? i really like the little back glove box really good idea. ill try to post a pic of the custom chopper for an avatar must see huge ape hangers and a large front end rake!

JohnC24
11-19-2004, 12:46 PM
in most cases the ss is faster than modded trucks

Slowprocess
11-19-2004, 12:57 PM
in most cases the ss is faster than modded trucks

A stock SS is an awd extended cab truck with a 345hp LQ9 6.0L. The awd is great for holeshots, but it kills the mid/high end. That horsepower is being distributed to all the wheels. The SS comes with 20" wheels and an upgraded interior. Very few stock SSs break into the 14s, and those that do are 14.8-14.9. A bone stock ecsb 5.3L with basic bolt ons runs mid high 14s, so that is wrong, most cases a "slightly" modified 5.3L will take an ss. The LQ9 is a beast of a motor to modify, but the awd system kills the performance of it in stock form. That's why the new Silverado vho was created. It is a 2wd version of the ss, same motor, but lacks the ss interior and awd.

jeverett
11-19-2004, 01:39 PM
Im with slow.... I kNOW i can take a hemi now..i just might have to make a vid to prove it.

busta
11-19-2004, 03:52 PM
oh ya make a vid so we can post it in the dodge forum! sweet.

tdw000222
11-19-2004, 08:11 PM
Slowpro, 12.7 is awesome for anything, especially for a truck! I wish I had a truck that fast... anyways, there's a difference between modded, and a 12.7 silverado. the difference is in either the amount of mods, the quality of mods, or both. Congrats to a 12.7, really, that is awesome and is something for any truck lover to be proud of (especially you).

tdw000222
11-19-2004, 08:17 PM
oh, and by the way...one of the silverados the stock SS has torn up had cold air intake, true dual exhaust, and had supposedly been chipped or was going to be soon there after.

mvette76
11-19-2004, 09:59 PM
i have 98 silverado z71 with a 5.7.auto it's never been to the dealer. it has 106,000 on it

Silver X
11-20-2004, 12:58 AM
I just took this off of car and drivers review

In fact, our 5030-pound Titan clobbered 60 mph in 6.9 seconds. Thatís 0.9 second quicker than either a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab with a 345-horse Hemi or a GMC Sierra Denali with a 325-hp, 6.0-liter Vortec V-8ótwo of our favorite trucks. Itís odd to find yourself at the helm of a full-size pickup with such squeeze-and-squirt prowess. Heck, the Titan rolls through the quarter-mile at the same velocity as a Mercury Marauder, and itís a 10th quicker.

chevytrucks92
11-20-2004, 01:02 AM
An SS Silver is nothing more than a body kit and suspension upgrade. The motors are exactly the same.

Not exactly. See SlowProcess post. He sums it up pretty well.

Slowprocess
11-20-2004, 11:47 AM
oh, and by the way...one of the silverados the stock SS has torn up had cold air intake, true dual exhaust, and had supposedly been chipped or was going to be soon there after.

No doubt it goes both ways alot. The one thing I've noticed about these newer trucks is that it seems that every one of them takes to mods differently. My truck came stock with the 4.8L. I went 16.2? with it bone stock. I added the airaid intake and throttlebody spacer, it went 16flat. The last thing I did to that motor is add the Superchips programmer, and I swear, it dropped my time down to a best of 15.4. That was .6 in the quarter off of a handheld tuner. I honestly couldn't believe it helped that much, but I tuned and untuned several times at the track that night, still posting similar numbers both ways. I sold my tuner to my buddy when I did the swap, and he got faster, but didn't drop the numbers like I did. I don't doubt you are telling the truth on the stock ss beating bolt on 5.3Ls. That's the crazy thing about these trucks. I have a buddy that ran at the shootout with me with a bolt on rcsb silverado with a 4.8L. He has every bolt on/cam/headwork, and so far he is the only guy I have heard of anywhere running a 13.9, all 4.8 Liters of fury. That, in my book, is pretty freakin impressive on the smaller motor! So, I fully believe you, because I do know these trucks(my town is overflowing with them), and I know how they act sometimes.

JohnC24
11-21-2004, 04:51 AM
can anyone tell me how to add a buddy video to the avatar, please!!!!!!!!!

dustertwister
11-21-2004, 03:23 PM
I.m not trying to sell the Titan to anyone I just let the truck speak for itself.

Silver, I found a website for you. It is an automotive forum for Nissan Titans. Looks like your Titan has just as many problems as the Silverado. Check it out:

http://www.nissantitan.info/forum_topics.asp?FID=3

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Silver X
11-21-2004, 04:38 PM
I know that every truck has its share of problems.So far I have not expierienced any of the problems that these people are having but on the other hand the problems I was having with my chevy like sounding like A diesel every start up and countless trips to the dealer for repairs and the dealer telling me its my fault.
Come on!! How is the rattleing engine my fault. I even took it to diffrent dealerships to get repairs done and it seems like there all in on it together.I bought this truck brand new and had major problems from day one.
The Titan has had its share of problems no doubt. In the earlier models it had some issues that were being delt with. I bought one of the later model Titans and I have not had one bit of problem with it. I've had buddies that also bought titans and the only issue they have had is with the brake rotors warping. I took my Nissan back to the dealership to see if there was A tsb on it and yes ther was for the ealier models.Even though I was having no problems they still went ahead and repaired my vehicle.Resurfaced all the rotors and installed new brake pads.
I never got that kinda service from the chevy dealer even though the truck had major problems with it it was still always put on the customer.
So far I cant say enough good things about the titan.Sure your gonna have the hatters out there bashing the truck but I have had several buddies,relatives,friends who have owned chevys and have had the same problems year after year and they are getting tired of it.Look it up man Titan is the number one selling full size truck in the U.S right now.
I live in A community were ther is alot of AG.The farmers here have always used Chevy's or fords but now that the titan has come out I have been seeing more and more Nissans out in the field. When I traded my truck in there were 22 chevys waiting to be wholesaled in the back lot of the dealership.What does that tell you...
Dont get me wrong I use to love chevy I never thought I would own anything else but year after year there quality controll has hit A record all time low.Its like the whole truck comes stamped out of A mold now and no customer service.They say to themselves'' theyll come back"
Thats the same thing K mart and sears said just before Walmart rolled in and crushed the compatition.

JohnC24
11-21-2004, 05:50 PM
figured it out thankx

Slowprocess
11-22-2004, 12:46 AM
Your engine is impressive, as are your numbers. You seem to know what you are doing!

12.67 in the Quarter? Man, you've beat my old 442!

If you don't mind, could you share with me how much you have invested in JUST the motor? -If you want you can just PM me. -Or not respond at all, I'll understand, I'm just curious!

People seem to think *I've* spent a lot of money on *MY* truck, but then I visit these forums and see people that have spent TWICE what I have !!

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/index.php has some "Big Buck" trucks over there!

No problem with sharing at all. I picked up the 02 6.0L with 10,000 miles for $950(a steal if you ask me). My Thunder Racing cam was around $430, I think the springs were around $130, a friend of mine did the port/polish job on my heads for $250(a really great deal there), the machine shop charged me $250 to mill the heads, install the springs, and the double cut valve job. The thinner head gaskets cost me $100.
So, in the motor itself, including the cost of the motor, I have around $2110, give or take a little. I have more than that in my transmission work, so I think I came out pretty good on the motor build. I'm currently checking out a 4 link setup with coilovers and a nice set of traction bars to get my 60ft down some. If you have any other questions, feel free to post up. I have no problem posting anything about the truck on here. We're all here to help, right? :smile:

JohnC24
11-22-2004, 11:44 AM
good job on souping up your truck sounds like your doing a hell of a good job

riverat440
11-22-2004, 09:36 PM
yip good for you silver! i cant blame you one bit. i've being a loyal chev man for yr's but if you read my post under WOULD YOU BUY AGAIN it's a big fat NO, the shit i've had with this truck is just plain wrong..2000 z-71 5.3 LT leather loaded ,bought new now has 115k, ive done the rear end, drive shaft u-joint's,new tranny costom built this time with corvette servo's,shift kit,solinoids,kevlar band's etc..(4l60e.com rule's) umm the fucking knock in the morning is killing me 2 set's of tire's,brake's all around,both poweer mirror's,4x4 switch,had it in for the horn a zillon time and guess what it's broke again???? this is just the tip of the burg! the only reason iam keeping it is because it's paid for so i might as well keep her till it's dead every thing is new at 100k except the motor so i figure if i'll keep it now since MOST of the bug's are out, why buy someone else's problem's and go thru this all again? i tell diesel next time we'll see what's out at that time i guess, if only the powerewagon had a cummins i'd be sold! anyway back to my thought on a licence plate up here in canada 8 letter's so what do you think of HEMI-ETR, iam sure that'll pick a few drag's! lol oh p.s i think chev still look's best in and out.
You hit the nail on the head. Chevy needs to receive a couple of awards, one for the ugliest truck on earth, and second for the most trips to the repair garage. It is a shame that people believe in a product just cuz 25 years ago it was something to brag about. Even then it was just trying to keep up.

chevytrucks92
11-23-2004, 02:25 AM
You hit the nail on the head. Chevy needs to receive a couple of awards, one for the ugliest truck on earth, and second for the most trips to the repair garage. It is a shame that people believe in a product just cuz 25 years ago it was something to brag about. Even then it was just trying to keep up.

Why even come on the Chevy trucks forum and post that?

riverat440
11-23-2004, 08:32 AM
I'm here trying to gather info on my buddys suburban. 96 and the engine has to come apart already. Can't believe there are people that actually like these things. Everybody has to drive something I guess.

Pewter'01SS
11-23-2004, 08:41 AM
Yup...like 'em
Nope...wouldn't be caught dead driving a Dodge
Yup...spanked much Dodge ass in my '92
Nope...Don't know one Dodge owner that hasn't had major problems (usually trans)

If you want to gather information, just gather it, you really didn't have to troll this forum (that's what we call trying to start s***). Can I suggest starting a new thread and asking about the Suburban problem and leave the Chevy bashing to the Dodge forums.

chevytrucks92
11-23-2004, 12:26 PM
I'm here trying to gather info on my buddys suburban. 96 and the engine has to come apart already. Can't believe there are people that actually like these things. Everybody has to drive something I guess.

See Pewter'01SS's post.

Slowprocess
11-23-2004, 12:56 PM
So, this guy has a Dodge? I probably could have guessed that from his post. What model dodge truck does he have? I'm sure since his "chevy makes the ugliest truck ever" and "was just trying to keep up" comments, he has got to have the fastest, best looking dodge out there, so I want to see it. Maybe we'll really get a treat and it will be a "hemi". :biggrin: Let's see your show stopping, chevrolet dropping Dodge. I'd also like to see a time slip to see if most chevrolets are still trying to keep up with you. Thanks

frankendart
11-23-2004, 12:56 PM
Yada-yada-yada...

I've got a 2000 Silverado LS, and while it was in the shop for two and a half weeks, I rented a Hemi Ram 1500. It made a believer out of me.

I read all the war stories, and I don't believe most of them. Also like most other Chevy truck owners, I believe that I own the best. I have often put down the new Hemi Rams, and haven't driven one until now, but let me tell you, for a show room stock truck, it's got a whole hell of a lot more power than my Silvy.
I don't know about the rest of you, but stock vs. stock, I'll take the Hemi any day.

If you compare a moded truck to a stock Hemi, well, that just a bullshit comparison. Stock vs. stock is what you have to look at. If you drive them both, and you don't get impressed but the Stock Hemis power, you're either lying, or so blind loyal to Chevies, that nothing, no matter how good is going to sway you.
Neither of those reactions is a good thing.

Sorry guys.

Slowprocess
11-23-2004, 12:58 PM
Yada-yada-yada...

I've got a 2000 Silverado LS, and while it was in the shop for two and a half weeks, I rented a Hemi Ram 1500. It made a believer out of me.

I read all the war stories, and I don't believe most of them. Also like most other Chevy truck owners, I believe that I own the best. I have often put down the new Hemi Rams, and haven't driven one until now, but let me tell you, for a show room stock truck, it's got a whole hell of a lot more power than my Silvy.
I don't know about the rest of you, but stock vs. stock, I'll take the Hemi any day.

If you compare a moded truck to a stock Hemi, well, that just a bullshit comparison. Stock vs. stock is what you have to look at. If you drive them both, and you don't get impressed but the Stock Hemis power, you're either lying, or so blind loyal to Chevies, that nothing, no matter how good is going to sway you.
Neither of those reactions is a good thing.

Sorry guys.

It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday.

busta
11-23-2004, 01:06 PM
well maybe fankendart is driving a 4.8 in that case ya you'll see a big difference perhaps i should re-vamp this post to HEMI 5.7 VS VORTEC 6.0 and now tell me hemi has WAY more power? anyone??

chevytrucks92
11-23-2004, 03:24 PM
Everybody says their Silverado's are all the time in the shop, but hardly anyone says what for.

So, what for guys?

Wrecks and routine maintenance don't count (2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage).

Thunderbolt
11-23-2004, 04:01 PM
The part that kills me is most loyal Dodge guys compare the 5.7 Hemi to a 5.3 Gm and say it is way faster. Now put the 6.0 in a half ton truck that is not all wheel drive and they will complain that the 6.0 is a bigger engine even though the difference between them is exactly the same as between the 5.7 and 5.3. Stock for stock maybe the hemi is faster I don't know, But I do know from several friends that have owned the hemis and any dodge for that matter and they flat out suck gas. I have heard people sya they get 15 mpg in the city with a Dodge and thats b.s. because everyone I know was lucky to get 11-12 city and maybe 14 hwy. I just think the hemi isn't what it is made out to be even if it is faster.

gschretter
11-23-2004, 04:42 PM
Most people say.

When people see a CHEVY - HEY, LOOK AT THAT CHEVY

When people see a Ford - Hey Look At That Ford

When people see a dodge - hey look a dodge.

When people see a Nissan Titan or Toyota truck : = WHO is the Homo driving that thing!!!

Simple rules applies here:

My Jeep help win a war and your honda cuts the grass !!!!!

Slowprocess
11-23-2004, 05:58 PM
My truck has been in the shop twice. The first time was to change a front wheel bearing and the second time was to yank the 4.8L(which was running as good as new) in favor of all the stuff in my sig. I bought the truck in May 99, and have about $300 in stuff messing up.(wheel bearing and window regulator). My truck has probably seen the track as much or more than anyone else's here, and it has always gotten me home. I have nothing but great things to say about the truck. And Thunderbolt, a 6.0L in a half ton is awesome, trust me! :biggrin:

Silver X
11-23-2004, 06:14 PM
Your showing your true age gschretter !!

Poeple are entitled to there own opinion and there is no need to bash somebody because they drive A diffrent kind of truck than you do!!!
Real childish. I hope you feel real good about yourself gschretter!!
I thought this is what this forum was about posting information and diffrent opinions not bashing..

nineball481
11-23-2004, 07:26 PM
This is just my 2 cents. My encounter with a hemi was fun. I have a 2000 2wd 4.8L At the time it was stock, just the cowl hood had been installed.

typical situation, I saw a truck in rear view coming up quick weaving through traffic to get up front. I sped up, to egg him on. When we caught a red light, we let are intentions be known. When the light turned green, he got me off the line (f**k'n torque management). I quickly caught up, soon after passed him. Once we both got in to top gear he started coming up, then my truck shut off, and away the Hemi went. We hit another red light and chatted. He couldn't believe that I had a stock 4.8L

I guess what I'm saying is that the same trucks are built differently. Even in this age of industrial tech, you can still get a vehicle made on Friday at 3:00

Now, the next time I pull up to a Hemi I will be able to keep on goin and see who really comes out on top :naughty: .

frankendart
11-24-2004, 07:11 AM
Slowprocess said:
"It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday. "

1. whether you care about racing or not, when you compare any two things equally, you have to set parameters. Comparing a stock vehicle to a mod'ed vehicle, is a waste of time. The foregone conclusion is the mod'ed vehicle will perform better. The same can't be said for stock vs. stock. Usually in a stock vs. stock comparison, both vehicles will have pros and cons. You have to weigh those differences, and decide which vehicle has the attributes you're looking for. The logo on the tailgate doesn't add anything to the performance of a truck.

2. "...If you care about racing...".
I care enough about racing to know that there is no place for it on the street. "Racers" take it to the track, and don't screw around on the street. I also have a car built for that purpose.

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).

Chevytruck92: You commented about th elength of time my truck was in the shop, "(2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage)."
My truck was at the local Chevy dealer for 12 working days to replace a blown 5.3L V8. The first replacement engine they installed only rane for 5 minutes before a crack in the block was noticed by one of the techs. The second replacement engine was ordered and installed, and the dealer kept the truck for another day just to check the new installation out more closely.
That doesn't seem like a "long time" to me, at all.

Why did I rent a truck while one of mine was in the shop? Simple. My insurance agent explained to me that they would pay me $10.00 a day to drive one of my other vehicles, or pay 100% of the cost of a rental truck while my truck was in the shop. I own a small business, and all seven of my trucks are "tools". When one of them is in the shop for 3 days or more for ANY REASON, my commercial insurance covers the cost of a rental. I've been looking at the Hemis, and I figured this would be a good opportunity to test drive one for a week or two to really get a feel for it.

Lastly, for those of you who just have to label people, you should know that I own and presently have registered, insured, and operating, 12 vehicles. They include 5 Chevy or GMC pickups (one '99, one '00, two '02's, and an '04). 2 Ford Vans, (one '94 E150, one '03 E250)
there are also 3 Saturn SC2's, one 2005 Mustang GT (my wifes), and a 1972 Dodge Dart now powered by a 72 Dodge Dart (originally a 318/auto with a 7 1/4" rear, now a small block 402" crate/833/Dana 4.10)

.

I'll be replacing two trucks in March. I won't be buying Hemi's though. The new trucks I'm considering are all diesels. I'm considering a GMC 3500HD, A Ford F350 Superduty, and Dodge 3500. All are Crew-cab Duallies with at least 20K lb towing pkgs. I'll be buying two of them, and I will be shopping price, service, availability. Brand is not a factor to me.

I hope this clears up any questions as to brand loyalties. Now, for those of us who have to label me because I dared tosay something good about the Hemi, HAVE AT IT. Keep in mind, that over the last 30 years, I've owned over a hundred pick ups, and bought more than 90% of them new, and of various brands. I've found that it's really difficult to buy a bad American ( I have no problems with full size imports, either) pickup truck. Iím not saying there arenít any bad pick ups out there, what I am sayong is that ALL THREE brands make good trucks, and that make lemons, too. My experience with all the brands is what keeps me open to all the brands.
I also have little or no use for mini or mid sized pickups. IMO mini and midi pickups are for people who WANT a pick up truck, but don't NEED one. Theyíre fine as toys, or inexpensive rides, but Iíve got work to do.

Now, for you ďlabelersĒ itís your ball.

sdrado
11-24-2004, 07:51 AM
Well said Frank!

Thunderbolt
11-24-2004, 08:25 AM
Never once did I label anyone nor did I say a Dodge truck was junk. I was commenting on the fuel economy. I also commented on the 5.7 to 5.3 comparison vs. the 6.0 to 5.7 comparison because that is my personal experience when talking to die hard Dodge fans. I never said Chevy was the best truck nor do I believe they do and I have never had a lemon Chevy yet. I like the looks of the Chevy, the quality of the chevy and the fuel economy so I will buy another when the two I have now quit. The two I own right now are a 92 chevy with 231,000 on it and a 98 chevy with 194,000 and still running strong. For two people to run a race on the street once or twice doesn't mean the hemi is more powerful than the 5.3 either, It could be the gears or the driver that made the race. I guess I really could care less wich is faster stock anyways because if I want to go fast it isn't going to be in any stock truck it will be modded. Sorry for the long reply I just wanted to say I wasn't criticizing anyone directly, But was speaking from personal conversations elsewhere.





Slowprocess said:
"It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday. "

1. whether you care about racing or not, when you compare any two things equally, you have to set parameters. Comparing a stock vehicle to a mod'ed vehicle, is a waste of time. The foregone conclusion is the mod'ed vehicle will perform better. The same can't be said for stock vs. stock. Usually in a stock vs. stock comparison, both vehicles will have pros and cons. You have to weigh those differences, and decide which vehicle has the attributes you're looking for. The logo on the tailgate doesn't add anything to the performance of a truck.

2. "...If you care about racing...".
I care enough about racing to know that there is no place for it on the street. "Racers" take it to the track, and don't screw around on the street. I also have a car built for that purpose.

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).

Chevytruck92: You commented about th elength of time my truck was in the shop, "(2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage)."
My truck was at the local Chevy dealer for 12 working days to replace a blown 5.3L V8. The first replacement engine they installed only rane for 5 minutes before a crack in the block was noticed by one of the techs. The second replacement engine was ordered and installed, and the dealer kept the truck for another day just to check the new installation out more closely.
That doesn't seem like a "long time" to me, at all.

Why did I rent a truck while one of mine was in the shop? Simple. My insurance agent explained to me that they would pay me $10.00 a day to drive one of my other vehicles, or pay 100% of the cost of a rental truck while my truck was in the shop. I own a small business, and all seven of my trucks are "tools". When one of them is in the shop for 3 days or more for ANY REASON, my commercial insurance covers the cost of a rental. I've been looking at the Hemis, and I figured this would be a good opportunity to test drive one for a week or two to really get a feel for it.

Lastly, for those of you who just have to label people, you should know that I own and presently have registered, insured, and operating, 12 vehicles. They include 5 Chevy or GMC pickups (one '99, one '00, two '02's, and an '04). 2 Ford Vans, (one '94 E150, one '03 E250)
there are also 3 Saturn SC2's, one 2005 Mustang GT (my wifes), and a 1972 Dodge Dart now powered by a 72 Dodge Dart (originally a 318/auto with a 7 1/4" rear, now a small block 402" crate/833/Dana 4.10)

.

I'll be replacing two trucks in March. I won't be buying Hemi's though. The new trucks I'm considering are all diesels. I'm considering a GMC 3500HD, A Ford F350 Superduty, and Dodge 3500. All are Crew-cab Duallies with at least 20K lb towing pkgs. I'll be buying two of them, and I will be shopping price, service, availability. Brand is not a factor to me.

I hope this clears up any questions as to brand loyalties. Now, for those of us who have to label me because I dared tosay something good about the Hemi, HAVE AT IT. Keep in mind, that over the last 30 years, I've owned over a hundred pick ups, and bought more than 90% of them new, and of various brands. I've found that it's really difficult to buy a bad American ( I have no problems with full size imports, either) pickup truck. Iím not saying there arenít any bad pick ups out there, what I am sayong is that ALL THREE brands make good trucks, and that make lemons, too. My experience with all the brands is what keeps me open to all the brands.
I also have little or no use for mini or mid sized pickups. IMO mini and midi pickups are for people who WANT a pick up truck, but don't NEED one. Theyíre fine as toys, or inexpensive rides, but Iíve got work to do.

Now, for you ďlabelersĒ itís your ball.

frankendart
11-24-2004, 08:36 AM
Never once did I label anyone nor did I say a Dodge truck was junk. I was commenting on the fuel economy. I also commented on the 5.7 to 5.3 comparison vs. the 6.0 to 5.7 comparison because that is my personal experience when talking to die hard Dodge fans. I never said Chevy was the best truck nor do I believe they do and I have never had a lemon Chevy yet. I like the looks of the Chevy, the quality of the chevy and the fuel economy so I will buy another when the two I have now quit. The two I own right now are a 92 chevy with 231,000 on it and a 98 chevy with 194,000 and still running strong. For two people to run a race on the street once or twice doesn't mean the hemi is more powerful than the 5.3 either, It could be the gears or the driver that made the race. I guess I really could care less wich is faster stock anyways because if I want to go fast it isn't going to be in any stock truck it will be modded. Sorry for the long reply I just wanted to say I wasn't criticizing anyone directly, But was speaking from personal conversations elsewhere.

Thunderbolt, do you understand that the only part of my comments that were directed toward you was the one paragraph with your name on it? I wasn't accusing you of any of the other stuff. :dunno: I simply answerd why I was comparing the 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Vortec. nothing more, Read Below:

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).

Thunderbolt
11-24-2004, 10:55 AM
Thunderbolt, do you understand that the only part of my comments that were directed toward you was the one paragraph with your name on it? I wasn't accusing you of any of the other stuff. :dunno: I simply answerd why I was comparing the 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Vortec. nothing more, Read Below:

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).


Yes I understand, But I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew I wasn't bad mouthing anyone so I am sorry if you took my post wrong.

jeverett
11-24-2004, 11:23 AM
Dude..this freakin thread had 1 page last week! Now 5? damn!!! This stirred alotta people up. Oh, BTW, I took a 04 Mustang from redlight to redlight 2 days ago, just cant seem to get HEMI to line up with me!!

Slowprocess
11-24-2004, 01:11 PM
Slowprocess said:
"It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday. "

1. whether you care about racing or not, when you compare any two things equally, you have to set parameters. Comparing a stock vehicle to a mod'ed vehicle, is a waste of time. The foregone conclusion is the mod'ed vehicle will perform better. The same can't be said for stock vs. stock. Usually in a stock vs. stock comparison, both vehicles will have pros and cons. You have to weigh those differences, and decide which vehicle has the attributes you're looking for. The logo on the tailgate doesn't add anything to the performance of a truck.

2. "...If you care about racing...".
I care enough about racing to know that there is no place for it on the street. "Racers" take it to the track, and don't screw around on the street. I also have a car built for that purpose.

Since we're on this he said she said bs, let ME clear a few wrong things in your post. There is no way to compare a Dodge Hemi truck to a truck of modded status, such as mine. There aren't enough parts out there to go mod for mod with me on motor. If I go to the track, get "talked" into a money run from another truck, beat him, then he wants to start talking this mod for mod crap, I'm still taking his money. The guys that have minor boltons never want to complain when they look under my hood, see the 4.8L sticker under my hood, then beg me for a run. It's always after the fact.... Now why is that? When they think I have the little 4.8L, they want to run me and show how "mighty" their truck is. Only, it doesn't go down that way. Then the ricer excuses starts. "Let me do this and do that, then we'll run." I know a stock for stock hemi will most likely take a 5.3L, but do you really think that matters to most guys on here? Most guys on here want to know how to beat them, so they post up and we tell them how. I'm glad you have a car for racing. I have a truck for one, and it gets me back and forth to work all week @ 40 miles round trip.

Secondly, when did "street racing" ever come out in one of my posts? If you saw my video, you'll see that I'm at the track. You quoted me, and tried your preaching on how you don't street racing, only I didn't say anything about it. What's that all about?

Third, man, you have alot of vehicles. I'd hate to pay your insurance bill every year! :)

Hopefully this post will clear up the fact that I mod so I don't have to compare the two. I'm not blinded by brand loyalty here, I'm blinded by which one I can mod more. I have no problems with hemis, I do have problems with people telling me I'm wrong for comparing my truck to stock trucks, just because I wanted to go modded instead of stock. I never ask a stock truck for a race at the track, but I get approached all the time asking for a run with the 4.8L sticker under the hood. Who's trying to take advantage of who there? Thanks

frankendart
11-24-2004, 02:31 PM
Since we're on this he said she said bs, let ME clear a few wrong things in your post. There is no way to compare a Dodge Hemi truck to a truck of modded status, such as mine. There aren't enough parts out there to go mod for mod with me on motor. If I go to the track, get "talked" into a money run from another truck, beat him, then he wants to start talking this mod for mod crap, I'm still taking his money. The guys that have minor boltons never want to complain when they look under my hood, see the 4.8L sticker under my hood, then beg me for a run. It's always after the fact.... Now why is that? When they think I have the little 4.8L, they want to run me and show how "mighty" their truck is. Only, it doesn't go down that way. Then the ricer excuses starts. "Let me do this and do that, then we'll run." I know a stock for stock hemi will most likely take a 5.3L, but do you really think that matters to most guys on here? Most guys on here want to know how to beat them, so they post up and we tell them how. I'm glad you have a car for racing. I have a truck for one, and it gets me back and forth to work all week @ 40 miles round trip.

Secondly, when did "street racing" ever come out in one of my posts? If you saw my video, you'll see that I'm at the track. You quoted me, and tried your preaching on how you don't street racing, only I didn't say anything about it. What's that all about?

Third, man, you have alot of vehicles. I'd hate to pay your insurance bill every year! :)

Hopefully this post will clear up the fact that I mod so I don't have to compare the two. I'm not blinded by brand loyalty here, I'm blinded by which one I can mod more. I have no problems with hemis, I do have problems with people telling me I'm wrong for comparing my truck to stock trucks, just because I wanted to go modded instead of stock. I never ask a stock truck for a race at the track, but I get approached all the time asking for a run with the 4.8L sticker under the hood. Who's trying to take advantage of who there? Thanks

You have confirmed my first point. "You select the vehicle that has the attributes you want. You selected the Chevy because it had the attributes you were looking for. In this case, those attributes were the aftermarket support for that particular vehicle.

Regarding the street racing thing, I have to admit, I thought you were talking about street racing. I've read so many lame-brain posts regarding street racing kills, I simply thought you were contributing. Sorry if I pegged you wrong on that one.

Finally, the vehicle insurance isn't as bad as you might think. The 5 trucks and 2 vans are insured as work vehicles, and carry 5 million dollar policies on them. Actually it only breaks down to about $150.00 a month per truck (about $13k a year) . The cars are insured seperately.
...and the Dart is covered by my home owners insurance when it's in the garage, my truck insurance when it's in tow, and Racers Insurance when it's on the track.

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