well iam bored so i zipped over to dodge truck world forum and found da boy's knockin the 5.3 saying the 5.7 hemi will eat us 5.3vortec? what do you think or have you tried to eat a dodge lately?

my boss has 2 dodge's. one's a 1500, and one's a 2500. the lighter 1500 would eat up a 5.3 i bet. but the heavier 2500 would be tough to call. about 50 more HP, but 1000 more LBS or so.

In stock form, I raced a single cab short bed 2wd HEMI with my 99 Z71..a 4x4. He beat me by only 3 car lengths. Now that I have my Nelson tune, I feel positive that I can spank his ass. The new HEMI's aren't all everyone thinks they are.

I was on the highyway satturday night and i was doin like 70 or so mph. Note that I had 5 people in my truck and 3 bikes in the bed. This guy in a short bed ram with a hemi pulls up next to me all like.....lets go silvy. So I floored it and so did he. Surprisingly I had him until my top speed limiter kicked in. I donno if he was just fuckin with me or if his truck was really a turd. But my friends were pretty psyched on it.

having drivin both the hemi's definately arent all their cracked up to be. they are gutless in the new durangos and soso in SWB BTW newer rams have the 100mph top speed limiter also

I really get sick of those guys over there. I usually go over there to give them hell, because they can't get any numbers without the spray. I have yet to see a low 12sec slip from any of them, not even on the spray. Anyway, back to stock vs stock. I have seen plenty of 5.3L take down the almighty "hemi"roid. They aren't all that.

this is what i thought go chev! keep them comin boy's let's hear it.

hi run whit 04 durango hemi today
i got 2000 silverado 5.3 whit gipson exhaust
hypertech 111 and airaid intake system
80mm throttle bodies
we race from 65 mph
and i lost

Ok I too had A run in with A hemi.Stop light to stop light and then again on the freeway. Sorry to say but there was no compatition. He was very slow and sluggish form the get go and could not keep even when I let up off the throtle to let A car come on the freeway.He jumped ahead just for A second but then I floored it and let him have it with All
305 horse power and then it was over.I couldnt seem him anymore. As I got off the freeway I noticed the black hemi about 3 cars behind me. The next stop light he was next to me motioning me to roll down my window. I rolled down the window and he was screaming at the top of his lungs"what the hell you got in that thing"
I replied its all stock no modifications.
The moral of this story is I drive A 2004 NissanTitan 5.6 liter 305 horse power all stock that can eat up them Hemis with no problem stock.
Imagine if I were to beef up this bad boy!! The power would be unreal.
Watch out boys theres A new sheriff in town!!!!!

IF YOU CANT RUN WITH THE BIG DOG'S STAY ON THE PORCH!!!!

Aren't the HEMI's more for torque (like pulling power) not HP?

Any one got any dyno curves of Vortech's vs. HEMI's in stock form?


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I want a Titan..i just can't afford one.

I.m not trying to sell the Titan to anyone I just let the truck speak for itself. If you compare the price between chevy And Nissan in all actuality the nissan comes up lower in price range and better quality.Sure Chevy is offering 0% financeing but how many times do you have to take back the truck when its brand new for repairs that should of been done at the factory.NO more rattle when you start up the motor and the dealer telling you its normal.
Come on chevy!!Dont sell A product and then not stand behind it because it will turn around and bite you in the butt later on.
Tell that to K-mart and Sears when Walmart came around.Nobody though they would have been the biggest retail store in the world.It was totally underestimated.
Thats the same thing that happining to the chevy truck product and they cant see it even though its right in front of there face.
Its the customer that pays your bills!!We buy your product but if the product is pretty shitty then we'll go look else were.
Well look you just set up camp.Nobody can deni that the foriegn cars are more reliable than the American product. I know most of you have A honda sitting in your drive way.The foriegn product has dominated the American market for years except for the full size trucks.Nissan decieded to join the race and they built an awsome truck.Read the reviews and you will see that majority of the people love the Titan and its even made in the U.S.A. I cant say enough good things about it.
Please dont get me wrong I am not A chevy hatter and it was very difficult for me to part with my Silverado but after two long years of going back to the dealer and even willing to trade her in for A new 04 the dealer wouldnt pay off what I owed on the truck.(02 chevy silverado ext cab fully loaded 26k miles 5.3 v8) only oweing 10k.I tried to reason with them but they wanted for me to pay full price on the truck and put the remainder of what they were going to give me for the trade in on the new loan.That was going to put the new loan at around 40k.
Very dissapointed I just got up and walked out with the sales men telling me what do you excpect your truck is two years old its not worth what you owe on it.I just kept walking I figured if they wanted to sell A new truck somebody would be willing to work out A deal but nobody stepped up to the plate.
I ended up at the Nissan dealership and I was amazed that they even built A full size truck.The first time I took it for A test drive I was sold. Noing nothing about the Titan I purchased it.They even worked out A good deal on my trade in.I was amazed on how many chevy's and ford full size trucks were in there back lot waiting to be sold at wholesale Auctions.With my truck there were 22 chevys just sitting back there and they were all trade ins. Wow thats an alarming amount!!
All and All I came out of the dealer with brand new 04 for 27k.
Nissan Titan king cab fully loaded 305 hp v8.

yip good for you silver! i cant blame you one bit. i've being a loyal chev man for yr's but if you read my post under WOULD YOU BUY AGAIN it's a big fat NO, the shit i've had with this truck is just plain wrong..2000 z-71 5.3 LT leather loaded ,bought new now has 115k, ive done the rear end, drive shaft u-joint's,new tranny costom built this time with corvette servo's,shift kit,solinoids,kevlar band's etc..(4l60e.com rule's) umm the fucking knock in the morning is killing me 2 set's of tire's,brake's all around,both poweer mirror's,4x4 switch,had it in for the horn a zillon time and guess what it's broke again???? this is just the tip of the burg! the only reason iam keeping it is because it's paid for so i might as well keep her till it's dead every thing is new at 100k except the motor so i figure if i'll keep it now since MOST of the bug's are out, why buy someone else's problem's and go thru this all again? i tell diesel next time we'll see what's out at that time i guess, if only the powerewagon had a cummins i'd be sold! anyway back to my thought on a licence plate up here in canada 8 letter's so what do you think of HEMI-ETR, iam sure that'll pick a few drag's! lol oh p.s i think chev still look's best in and out.

That sounds like A good licence plate..Gotta keep that one in mind. If you wait another year Nissan is coming out with there heavy duty
full size truck with A diesel motor.
Now that gonna be really awsome!!!

you bastard silver dont tell me that! lol hit me up with a site i must see this. not sure if the wife will let me have 2 trucks might have to sell the harley chopper now?

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No No not the Harley!!!! Anything but the Harley!!! Lol
Try this link and see if it works...Lol
http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/2004/titan/debut/home.shtml

Wow...umm, ya, everyone who has said anything along the lines of "my stock 1500 Silverado can beat a 1500 Hemi Ram" are wrong. The only stock Silverado that can beat a stock Hemi Ram is the SS, and even that's not by all that much. I've driven both and raced in both against one another as well as many other cars, and the Silverado SS smokes even the modded Silverados but only has a car length or two bewteen itself and the Hemi Ram. Go look at the numbers...oh and for the Nissan Titan guy...that's funny.

I'm laughin all the way to the bank.(LOL)
I bet cha I'll give you a good run for your money. Dont underestimate the Titan.(LOL)

Wow...umm, ya, everyone who has said anything along the lines of "my stock 1500 Silverado can beat a 1500 Hemi Ram" are wrong. The only stock Silverado that can beat a stock Hemi Ram is the SS, and even that's not by all that much. I've driven both and raced in both against one another as well as many other cars, and the Silverado SS smokes even the modded Silverados but only has a car length or two bewteen itself and the Hemi Ram. Go look at the numbers...oh and for the Nissan Titan guy...that's funny.

A stock ss will not beat a modded silverado. I raced one the same day as the vid I posted and went 12.7 to his 14.9. I had roughly 20 trucks on him when I went through the lights.

An SS Silver is nothing more than a body kit and suspension upgrade. The motors are exactly the same.

ya silver the link works thanks, way cool just not sure if i like the body style? i really like the little back glove box really good idea. ill try to post a pic of the custom chopper for an avatar must see huge ape hangers and a large front end rake!

in most cases the ss is faster than modded trucks

in most cases the ss is faster than modded trucks

A stock SS is an awd extended cab truck with a 345hp LQ9 6.0L. The awd is great for holeshots, but it kills the mid/high end. That horsepower is being distributed to all the wheels. The SS comes with 20" wheels and an upgraded interior. Very few stock SSs break into the 14s, and those that do are 14.8-14.9. A bone stock ecsb 5.3L with basic bolt ons runs mid high 14s, so that is wrong, most cases a "slightly" modified 5.3L will take an ss. The LQ9 is a beast of a motor to modify, but the awd system kills the performance of it in stock form. That's why the new Silverado vho was created. It is a 2wd version of the ss, same motor, but lacks the ss interior and awd.

Im with slow.... I kNOW i can take a hemi now..i just might have to make a vid to prove it.

oh ya make a vid so we can post it in the dodge forum! sweet.

Slowpro, 12.7 is awesome for anything, especially for a truck! I wish I had a truck that fast... anyways, there's a difference between modded, and a 12.7 silverado. the difference is in either the amount of mods, the quality of mods, or both. Congrats to a 12.7, really, that is awesome and is something for any truck lover to be proud of (especially you).

oh, and by the way...one of the silverados the stock SS has torn up had cold air intake, true dual exhaust, and had supposedly been chipped or was going to be soon there after.

i have 98 silverado z71 with a 5.7.auto it's never been to the dealer. it has 106,000 on it

I just took this off of car and drivers review

In fact, our 5030-pound Titan clobbered 60 mph in 6.9 seconds. That’s 0.9 second quicker than either a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab with a 345-horse Hemi or a GMC Sierra Denali with a 325-hp, 6.0-liter Vortec V-8—two of our favorite trucks. It’s odd to find yourself at the helm of a full-size pickup with such squeeze-and-squirt prowess. Heck, the Titan rolls through the quarter-mile at the same velocity as a Mercury Marauder, and it’s a 10th quicker.

An SS Silver is nothing more than a body kit and suspension upgrade. The motors are exactly the same.

Not exactly. See SlowProcess post. He sums it up pretty well.

oh, and by the way...one of the silverados the stock SS has torn up had cold air intake, true dual exhaust, and had supposedly been chipped or was going to be soon there after.

No doubt it goes both ways alot. The one thing I've noticed about these newer trucks is that it seems that every one of them takes to mods differently. My truck came stock with the 4.8L. I went 16.2? with it bone stock. I added the airaid intake and throttlebody spacer, it went 16flat. The last thing I did to that motor is add the Superchips programmer, and I swear, it dropped my time down to a best of 15.4. That was .6 in the quarter off of a handheld tuner. I honestly couldn't believe it helped that much, but I tuned and untuned several times at the track that night, still posting similar numbers both ways. I sold my tuner to my buddy when I did the swap, and he got faster, but didn't drop the numbers like I did. I don't doubt you are telling the truth on the stock ss beating bolt on 5.3Ls. That's the crazy thing about these trucks. I have a buddy that ran at the shootout with me with a bolt on rcsb silverado with a 4.8L. He has every bolt on/cam/headwork, and so far he is the only guy I have heard of anywhere running a 13.9, all 4.8 Liters of fury. That, in my book, is pretty freakin impressive on the smaller motor! So, I fully believe you, because I do know these trucks(my town is overflowing with them), and I know how they act sometimes.

No doubt it goes both ways alot. ... .I have a buddy that ran at the shootout with me with a bolt on rcsb silverado with a 4.8L. He has every bolt on/cam/headwork, and so far he is the only guy I have heard of anywhere running a 13.9, all 4.8 Liters of fury. That, in my book, is pretty freakin impressive on the smaller motor! So, I fully believe you, because I do know these trucks(my town is overflowing with them), and I know how they act sometimes.Your engine is impressive, as are your numbers. You seem to know what you are doing!

12.67 in the Quarter? Man, you've beat my old 442!

If you don't mind, could you share with me how much you have invested in JUST the motor? -If you want you can just PM me. -Or not respond at all, I'll understand, I'm just curious!

People seem to think *I've* spent a lot of money on *MY* truck, but then I visit these forums and see people that have spent TWICE what I have !!

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/index.php has some "Big Buck" trucks over there!

can anyone tell me how to add a buddy video to the avatar, please!!!!!!!!!

can anyone tell me how to add a buddy video to the avatar, please!!!!!!!!!
You should probably start a second thread for this....

Is your Avatar an "animated .gif"?


~Rob

I.m not trying to sell the Titan to anyone I just let the truck speak for itself.

Silver, I found a website for you. It is an automotive forum for Nissan Titans. Looks like your Titan has just as many problems as the Silverado. Check it out:

http://www.nissantitan.info/forum_topics.asp?FID=3

Sorry to burst your bubble.

I know that every truck has its share of problems.So far I have not expierienced any of the problems that these people are having but on the other hand the problems I was having with my chevy like sounding like A diesel every start up and countless trips to the dealer for repairs and the dealer telling me its my fault.
Come on!! How is the rattleing engine my fault. I even took it to diffrent dealerships to get repairs done and it seems like there all in on it together.I bought this truck brand new and had major problems from day one.
The Titan has had its share of problems no doubt. In the earlier models it had some issues that were being delt with. I bought one of the later model Titans and I have not had one bit of problem with it. I've had buddies that also bought titans and the only issue they have had is with the brake rotors warping. I took my Nissan back to the dealership to see if there was A tsb on it and yes ther was for the ealier models.Even though I was having no problems they still went ahead and repaired my vehicle.Resurfaced all the rotors and installed new brake pads.
I never got that kinda service from the chevy dealer even though the truck had major problems with it it was still always put on the customer.
So far I cant say enough good things about the titan.Sure your gonna have the hatters out there bashing the truck but I have had several buddies,relatives,friends who have owned chevys and have had the same problems year after year and they are getting tired of it.Look it up man Titan is the number one selling full size truck in the U.S right now.
I live in A community were ther is alot of AG.The farmers here have always used Chevy's or fords but now that the titan has come out I have been seeing more and more Nissans out in the field. When I traded my truck in there were 22 chevys waiting to be wholesaled in the back lot of the dealership.What does that tell you...
Dont get me wrong I use to love chevy I never thought I would own anything else but year after year there quality controll has hit A record all time low.Its like the whole truck comes stamped out of A mold now and no customer service.They say to themselves'' theyll come back"
Thats the same thing K mart and sears said just before Walmart rolled in and crushed the compatition.

figured it out thankx

figured it out thankx Street Racer, eh?

Cool !


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Your engine is impressive, as are your numbers. You seem to know what you are doing!

12.67 in the Quarter? Man, you've beat my old 442!

If you don't mind, could you share with me how much you have invested in JUST the motor? -If you want you can just PM me. -Or not respond at all, I'll understand, I'm just curious!

People seem to think *I've* spent a lot of money on *MY* truck, but then I visit these forums and see people that have spent TWICE what I have !!

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/index.php has some "Big Buck" trucks over there!

No problem with sharing at all. I picked up the 02 6.0L with 10,000 miles for $950(a steal if you ask me). My Thunder Racing cam was around $430, I think the springs were around $130, a friend of mine did the port/polish job on my heads for $250(a really great deal there), the machine shop charged me $250 to mill the heads, install the springs, and the double cut valve job. The thinner head gaskets cost me $100.
So, in the motor itself, including the cost of the motor, I have around $2110, give or take a little. I have more than that in my transmission work, so I think I came out pretty good on the motor build. I'm currently checking out a 4 link setup with coilovers and a nice set of traction bars to get my 60ft down some. If you have any other questions, feel free to post up. I have no problem posting anything about the truck on here. We're all here to help, right? :smile:

good job on souping up your truck sounds like your doing a hell of a good job

yip good for you silver! i cant blame you one bit. i've being a loyal chev man for yr's but if you read my post under WOULD YOU BUY AGAIN it's a big fat NO, the shit i've had with this truck is just plain wrong..2000 z-71 5.3 LT leather loaded ,bought new now has 115k, ive done the rear end, drive shaft u-joint's,new tranny costom built this time with corvette servo's,shift kit,solinoids,kevlar band's etc..(4l60e.com rule's) umm the fucking knock in the morning is killing me 2 set's of tire's,brake's all around,both poweer mirror's,4x4 switch,had it in for the horn a zillon time and guess what it's broke again???? this is just the tip of the burg! the only reason iam keeping it is because it's paid for so i might as well keep her till it's dead every thing is new at 100k except the motor so i figure if i'll keep it now since MOST of the bug's are out, why buy someone else's problem's and go thru this all again? i tell diesel next time we'll see what's out at that time i guess, if only the powerewagon had a cummins i'd be sold! anyway back to my thought on a licence plate up here in canada 8 letter's so what do you think of HEMI-ETR, iam sure that'll pick a few drag's! lol oh p.s i think chev still look's best in and out.
You hit the nail on the head. Chevy needs to receive a couple of awards, one for the ugliest truck on earth, and second for the most trips to the repair garage. It is a shame that people believe in a product just cuz 25 years ago it was something to brag about. Even then it was just trying to keep up.

You hit the nail on the head. Chevy needs to receive a couple of awards, one for the ugliest truck on earth, and second for the most trips to the repair garage. It is a shame that people believe in a product just cuz 25 years ago it was something to brag about. Even then it was just trying to keep up.

Why even come on the Chevy trucks forum and post that?

I'm here trying to gather info on my buddys suburban. 96 and the engine has to come apart already. Can't believe there are people that actually like these things. Everybody has to drive something I guess.

Yup...like 'em
Nope...wouldn't be caught dead driving a Dodge
Yup...spanked much Dodge ass in my '92
Nope...Don't know one Dodge owner that hasn't had major problems (usually trans)

If you want to gather information, just gather it, you really didn't have to troll this forum (that's what we call trying to start s***). Can I suggest starting a new thread and asking about the Suburban problem and leave the Chevy bashing to the Dodge forums.

I'm here trying to gather info on my buddys suburban. 96 and the engine has to come apart already. Can't believe there are people that actually like these things. Everybody has to drive something I guess.

See Pewter'01SS's post.

So, this guy has a Dodge? I probably could have guessed that from his post. What model dodge truck does he have? I'm sure since his "chevy makes the ugliest truck ever" and "was just trying to keep up" comments, he has got to have the fastest, best looking dodge out there, so I want to see it. Maybe we'll really get a treat and it will be a "hemi". :biggrin: Let's see your show stopping, chevrolet dropping Dodge. I'd also like to see a time slip to see if most chevrolets are still trying to keep up with you. Thanks

Yada-yada-yada...

I've got a 2000 Silverado LS, and while it was in the shop for two and a half weeks, I rented a Hemi Ram 1500. It made a believer out of me.

I read all the war stories, and I don't believe most of them. Also like most other Chevy truck owners, I believe that I own the best. I have often put down the new Hemi Rams, and haven't driven one until now, but let me tell you, for a show room stock truck, it's got a whole hell of a lot more power than my Silvy.
I don't know about the rest of you, but stock vs. stock, I'll take the Hemi any day.

If you compare a moded truck to a stock Hemi, well, that just a bullshit comparison. Stock vs. stock is what you have to look at. If you drive them both, and you don't get impressed but the Stock Hemis power, you're either lying, or so blind loyal to Chevies, that nothing, no matter how good is going to sway you.
Neither of those reactions is a good thing.

Sorry guys.

Yada-yada-yada...

I've got a 2000 Silverado LS, and while it was in the shop for two and a half weeks, I rented a Hemi Ram 1500. It made a believer out of me.

I read all the war stories, and I don't believe most of them. Also like most other Chevy truck owners, I believe that I own the best. I have often put down the new Hemi Rams, and haven't driven one until now, but let me tell you, for a show room stock truck, it's got a whole hell of a lot more power than my Silvy.
I don't know about the rest of you, but stock vs. stock, I'll take the Hemi any day.

If you compare a moded truck to a stock Hemi, well, that just a bullshit comparison. Stock vs. stock is what you have to look at. If you drive them both, and you don't get impressed but the Stock Hemis power, you're either lying, or so blind loyal to Chevies, that nothing, no matter how good is going to sway you.
Neither of those reactions is a good thing.

Sorry guys.

It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday.

well maybe fankendart is driving a 4.8 in that case ya you'll see a big difference perhaps i should re-vamp this post to HEMI 5.7 VS VORTEC 6.0 and now tell me hemi has WAY more power? anyone??

Everybody says their Silverado's are all the time in the shop, but hardly anyone says what for.

So, what for guys?

Wrecks and routine maintenance don't count (2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage).

The part that kills me is most loyal Dodge guys compare the 5.7 Hemi to a 5.3 Gm and say it is way faster. Now put the 6.0 in a half ton truck that is not all wheel drive and they will complain that the 6.0 is a bigger engine even though the difference between them is exactly the same as between the 5.7 and 5.3. Stock for stock maybe the hemi is faster I don't know, But I do know from several friends that have owned the hemis and any dodge for that matter and they flat out suck gas. I have heard people sya they get 15 mpg in the city with a Dodge and thats b.s. because everyone I know was lucky to get 11-12 city and maybe 14 hwy. I just think the hemi isn't what it is made out to be even if it is faster.

Most people say.

When people see a CHEVY - HEY, LOOK AT THAT CHEVY

When people see a Ford - Hey Look At That Ford

When people see a dodge - hey look a dodge.

When people see a Nissan Titan or Toyota truck : = WHO is the Homo driving that thing!!!

Simple rules applies here:

My Jeep help win a war and your honda cuts the grass !!!!!

My truck has been in the shop twice. The first time was to change a front wheel bearing and the second time was to yank the 4.8L(which was running as good as new) in favor of all the stuff in my sig. I bought the truck in May 99, and have about $300 in stuff messing up.(wheel bearing and window regulator). My truck has probably seen the track as much or more than anyone else's here, and it has always gotten me home. I have nothing but great things to say about the truck. And Thunderbolt, a 6.0L in a half ton is awesome, trust me! :biggrin:

Your showing your true age gschretter !!

Poeple are entitled to there own opinion and there is no need to bash somebody because they drive A diffrent kind of truck than you do!!!
Real childish. I hope you feel real good about yourself gschretter!!
I thought this is what this forum was about posting information and diffrent opinions not bashing..

This is just my 2 cents. My encounter with a hemi was fun. I have a 2000 2wd 4.8L At the time it was stock, just the cowl hood had been installed.

typical situation, I saw a truck in rear view coming up quick weaving through traffic to get up front. I sped up, to egg him on. When we caught a red light, we let are intentions be known. When the light turned green, he got me off the line (f**k'n torque management). I quickly caught up, soon after passed him. Once we both got in to top gear he started coming up, then my truck shut off, and away the Hemi went. We hit another red light and chatted. He couldn't believe that I had a stock 4.8L

I guess what I'm saying is that the same trucks are built differently. Even in this age of industrial tech, you can still get a vehicle made on Friday at 3:00

Now, the next time I pull up to a Hemi I will be able to keep on goin and see who really comes out on top :naughty: .

Slowprocess said:
"It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday. "

1. whether you care about racing or not, when you compare any two things equally, you have to set parameters. Comparing a stock vehicle to a mod'ed vehicle, is a waste of time. The foregone conclusion is the mod'ed vehicle will perform better. The same can't be said for stock vs. stock. Usually in a stock vs. stock comparison, both vehicles will have pros and cons. You have to weigh those differences, and decide which vehicle has the attributes you're looking for. The logo on the tailgate doesn't add anything to the performance of a truck.

2. "...If you care about racing...".
I care enough about racing to know that there is no place for it on the street. "Racers" take it to the track, and don't screw around on the street. I also have a car built for that purpose.

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).

Chevytruck92: You commented about th elength of time my truck was in the shop, "(2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage)."
My truck was at the local Chevy dealer for 12 working days to replace a blown 5.3L V8. The first replacement engine they installed only rane for 5 minutes before a crack in the block was noticed by one of the techs. The second replacement engine was ordered and installed, and the dealer kept the truck for another day just to check the new installation out more closely.
That doesn't seem like a "long time" to me, at all.

Why did I rent a truck while one of mine was in the shop? Simple. My insurance agent explained to me that they would pay me $10.00 a day to drive one of my other vehicles, or pay 100% of the cost of a rental truck while my truck was in the shop. I own a small business, and all seven of my trucks are "tools". When one of them is in the shop for 3 days or more for ANY REASON, my commercial insurance covers the cost of a rental. I've been looking at the Hemis, and I figured this would be a good opportunity to test drive one for a week or two to really get a feel for it.

Lastly, for those of you who just have to label people, you should know that I own and presently have registered, insured, and operating, 12 vehicles. They include 5 Chevy or GMC pickups (one '99, one '00, two '02's, and an '04). 2 Ford Vans, (one '94 E150, one '03 E250)
there are also 3 Saturn SC2's, one 2005 Mustang GT (my wifes), and a 1972 Dodge Dart now powered by a 72 Dodge Dart (originally a 318/auto with a 7 1/4" rear, now a small block 402" crate/833/Dana 4.10)

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I'll be replacing two trucks in March. I won't be buying Hemi's though. The new trucks I'm considering are all diesels. I'm considering a GMC 3500HD, A Ford F350 Superduty, and Dodge 3500. All are Crew-cab Duallies with at least 20K lb towing pkgs. I'll be buying two of them, and I will be shopping price, service, availability. Brand is not a factor to me.

I hope this clears up any questions as to brand loyalties. Now, for those of us who have to label me because I dared tosay something good about the Hemi, HAVE AT IT. Keep in mind, that over the last 30 years, I've owned over a hundred pick ups, and bought more than 90% of them new, and of various brands. I've found that it's really difficult to buy a bad American ( I have no problems with full size imports, either) pickup truck. I’m not saying there aren’t any bad pick ups out there, what I am sayong is that ALL THREE brands make good trucks, and that make lemons, too. My experience with all the brands is what keeps me open to all the brands.
I also have little or no use for mini or mid sized pickups. IMO mini and midi pickups are for people who WANT a pick up truck, but don't NEED one. They’re fine as toys, or inexpensive rides, but I’ve got work to do.

Now, for you “labelers” it’s your ball.

Well said Frank!

Never once did I label anyone nor did I say a Dodge truck was junk. I was commenting on the fuel economy. I also commented on the 5.7 to 5.3 comparison vs. the 6.0 to 5.7 comparison because that is my personal experience when talking to die hard Dodge fans. I never said Chevy was the best truck nor do I believe they do and I have never had a lemon Chevy yet. I like the looks of the Chevy, the quality of the chevy and the fuel economy so I will buy another when the two I have now quit. The two I own right now are a 92 chevy with 231,000 on it and a 98 chevy with 194,000 and still running strong. For two people to run a race on the street once or twice doesn't mean the hemi is more powerful than the 5.3 either, It could be the gears or the driver that made the race. I guess I really could care less wich is faster stock anyways because if I want to go fast it isn't going to be in any stock truck it will be modded. Sorry for the long reply I just wanted to say I wasn't criticizing anyone directly, But was speaking from personal conversations elsewhere.





Slowprocess said:
"It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday. "

1. whether you care about racing or not, when you compare any two things equally, you have to set parameters. Comparing a stock vehicle to a mod'ed vehicle, is a waste of time. The foregone conclusion is the mod'ed vehicle will perform better. The same can't be said for stock vs. stock. Usually in a stock vs. stock comparison, both vehicles will have pros and cons. You have to weigh those differences, and decide which vehicle has the attributes you're looking for. The logo on the tailgate doesn't add anything to the performance of a truck.

2. "...If you care about racing...".
I care enough about racing to know that there is no place for it on the street. "Racers" take it to the track, and don't screw around on the street. I also have a car built for that purpose.

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).

Chevytruck92: You commented about th elength of time my truck was in the shop, "(2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage)."
My truck was at the local Chevy dealer for 12 working days to replace a blown 5.3L V8. The first replacement engine they installed only rane for 5 minutes before a crack in the block was noticed by one of the techs. The second replacement engine was ordered and installed, and the dealer kept the truck for another day just to check the new installation out more closely.
That doesn't seem like a "long time" to me, at all.

Why did I rent a truck while one of mine was in the shop? Simple. My insurance agent explained to me that they would pay me $10.00 a day to drive one of my other vehicles, or pay 100% of the cost of a rental truck while my truck was in the shop. I own a small business, and all seven of my trucks are "tools". When one of them is in the shop for 3 days or more for ANY REASON, my commercial insurance covers the cost of a rental. I've been looking at the Hemis, and I figured this would be a good opportunity to test drive one for a week or two to really get a feel for it.

Lastly, for those of you who just have to label people, you should know that I own and presently have registered, insured, and operating, 12 vehicles. They include 5 Chevy or GMC pickups (one '99, one '00, two '02's, and an '04). 2 Ford Vans, (one '94 E150, one '03 E250)
there are also 3 Saturn SC2's, one 2005 Mustang GT (my wifes), and a 1972 Dodge Dart now powered by a 72 Dodge Dart (originally a 318/auto with a 7 1/4" rear, now a small block 402" crate/833/Dana 4.10)

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I'll be replacing two trucks in March. I won't be buying Hemi's though. The new trucks I'm considering are all diesels. I'm considering a GMC 3500HD, A Ford F350 Superduty, and Dodge 3500. All are Crew-cab Duallies with at least 20K lb towing pkgs. I'll be buying two of them, and I will be shopping price, service, availability. Brand is not a factor to me.

I hope this clears up any questions as to brand loyalties. Now, for those of us who have to label me because I dared tosay something good about the Hemi, HAVE AT IT. Keep in mind, that over the last 30 years, I've owned over a hundred pick ups, and bought more than 90% of them new, and of various brands. I've found that it's really difficult to buy a bad American ( I have no problems with full size imports, either) pickup truck. I’m not saying there aren’t any bad pick ups out there, what I am sayong is that ALL THREE brands make good trucks, and that make lemons, too. My experience with all the brands is what keeps me open to all the brands.
I also have little or no use for mini or mid sized pickups. IMO mini and midi pickups are for people who WANT a pick up truck, but don't NEED one. They’re fine as toys, or inexpensive rides, but I’ve got work to do.

Now, for you “labelers” it’s your ball.

Never once did I label anyone nor did I say a Dodge truck was junk. I was commenting on the fuel economy. I also commented on the 5.7 to 5.3 comparison vs. the 6.0 to 5.7 comparison because that is my personal experience when talking to die hard Dodge fans. I never said Chevy was the best truck nor do I believe they do and I have never had a lemon Chevy yet. I like the looks of the Chevy, the quality of the chevy and the fuel economy so I will buy another when the two I have now quit. The two I own right now are a 92 chevy with 231,000 on it and a 98 chevy with 194,000 and still running strong. For two people to run a race on the street once or twice doesn't mean the hemi is more powerful than the 5.3 either, It could be the gears or the driver that made the race. I guess I really could care less wich is faster stock anyways because if I want to go fast it isn't going to be in any stock truck it will be modded. Sorry for the long reply I just wanted to say I wasn't criticizing anyone directly, But was speaking from personal conversations elsewhere.

Thunderbolt, do you understand that the only part of my comments that were directed toward you was the one paragraph with your name on it? I wasn't accusing you of any of the other stuff. :dunno: I simply answerd why I was comparing the 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Vortec. nothing more, Read Below:

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).

Thunderbolt, do you understand that the only part of my comments that were directed toward you was the one paragraph with your name on it? I wasn't accusing you of any of the other stuff. :dunno: I simply answerd why I was comparing the 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Vortec. nothing more, Read Below:

Thunderbolt said: "...most Dodge boys compare 5.7 Hemi to the 5.3 Gm..."
I did that comparison, because that is the title of this thread. (btw, you should know that Dodge also make a 6.0L Hemi due out during the '05 model year. I think that would be a very fair comparison).


Yes I understand, But I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew I wasn't bad mouthing anyone so I am sorry if you took my post wrong.

Dude..this freakin thread had 1 page last week! Now 5? damn!!! This stirred alotta people up. Oh, BTW, I took a 04 Mustang from redlight to redlight 2 days ago, just cant seem to get HEMI to line up with me!!

Slowprocess said:
"It's not a bs comparison, because if you care about racing, you DON'T stay stock. Stock sucks, and as long as the aftermarket for the Hemi is so crappy, I'll stay ahead of the pack with the Chevy anyday. "

1. whether you care about racing or not, when you compare any two things equally, you have to set parameters. Comparing a stock vehicle to a mod'ed vehicle, is a waste of time. The foregone conclusion is the mod'ed vehicle will perform better. The same can't be said for stock vs. stock. Usually in a stock vs. stock comparison, both vehicles will have pros and cons. You have to weigh those differences, and decide which vehicle has the attributes you're looking for. The logo on the tailgate doesn't add anything to the performance of a truck.

2. "...If you care about racing...".
I care enough about racing to know that there is no place for it on the street. "Racers" take it to the track, and don't screw around on the street. I also have a car built for that purpose.

Since we're on this he said she said bs, let ME clear a few wrong things in your post. There is no way to compare a Dodge Hemi truck to a truck of modded status, such as mine. There aren't enough parts out there to go mod for mod with me on motor. If I go to the track, get "talked" into a money run from another truck, beat him, then he wants to start talking this mod for mod crap, I'm still taking his money. The guys that have minor boltons never want to complain when they look under my hood, see the 4.8L sticker under my hood, then beg me for a run. It's always after the fact.... Now why is that? When they think I have the little 4.8L, they want to run me and show how "mighty" their truck is. Only, it doesn't go down that way. Then the ricer excuses starts. "Let me do this and do that, then we'll run." I know a stock for stock hemi will most likely take a 5.3L, but do you really think that matters to most guys on here? Most guys on here want to know how to beat them, so they post up and we tell them how. I'm glad you have a car for racing. I have a truck for one, and it gets me back and forth to work all week @ 40 miles round trip.

Secondly, when did "street racing" ever come out in one of my posts? If you saw my video, you'll see that I'm at the track. You quoted me, and tried your preaching on how you don't street racing, only I didn't say anything about it. What's that all about?

Third, man, you have alot of vehicles. I'd hate to pay your insurance bill every year! :)

Hopefully this post will clear up the fact that I mod so I don't have to compare the two. I'm not blinded by brand loyalty here, I'm blinded by which one I can mod more. I have no problems with hemis, I do have problems with people telling me I'm wrong for comparing my truck to stock trucks, just because I wanted to go modded instead of stock. I never ask a stock truck for a race at the track, but I get approached all the time asking for a run with the 4.8L sticker under the hood. Who's trying to take advantage of who there? Thanks

Since we're on this he said she said bs, let ME clear a few wrong things in your post. There is no way to compare a Dodge Hemi truck to a truck of modded status, such as mine. There aren't enough parts out there to go mod for mod with me on motor. If I go to the track, get "talked" into a money run from another truck, beat him, then he wants to start talking this mod for mod crap, I'm still taking his money. The guys that have minor boltons never want to complain when they look under my hood, see the 4.8L sticker under my hood, then beg me for a run. It's always after the fact.... Now why is that? When they think I have the little 4.8L, they want to run me and show how "mighty" their truck is. Only, it doesn't go down that way. Then the ricer excuses starts. "Let me do this and do that, then we'll run." I know a stock for stock hemi will most likely take a 5.3L, but do you really think that matters to most guys on here? Most guys on here want to know how to beat them, so they post up and we tell them how. I'm glad you have a car for racing. I have a truck for one, and it gets me back and forth to work all week @ 40 miles round trip.

Secondly, when did "street racing" ever come out in one of my posts? If you saw my video, you'll see that I'm at the track. You quoted me, and tried your preaching on how you don't street racing, only I didn't say anything about it. What's that all about?

Third, man, you have alot of vehicles. I'd hate to pay your insurance bill every year! :)

Hopefully this post will clear up the fact that I mod so I don't have to compare the two. I'm not blinded by brand loyalty here, I'm blinded by which one I can mod more. I have no problems with hemis, I do have problems with people telling me I'm wrong for comparing my truck to stock trucks, just because I wanted to go modded instead of stock. I never ask a stock truck for a race at the track, but I get approached all the time asking for a run with the 4.8L sticker under the hood. Who's trying to take advantage of who there? Thanks

You have confirmed my first point. "You select the vehicle that has the attributes you want. You selected the Chevy because it had the attributes you were looking for. In this case, those attributes were the aftermarket support for that particular vehicle.

Regarding the street racing thing, I have to admit, I thought you were talking about street racing. I've read so many lame-brain posts regarding street racing kills, I simply thought you were contributing. Sorry if I pegged you wrong on that one.

Finally, the vehicle insurance isn't as bad as you might think. The 5 trucks and 2 vans are insured as work vehicles, and carry 5 million dollar policies on them. Actually it only breaks down to about $150.00 a month per truck (about $13k a year) . The cars are insured seperately.
...and the Dart is covered by my home owners insurance when it's in the garage, my truck insurance when it's in tow, and Racers Insurance when it's on the track.

ok now we can get back to it! someone get me a vid of a chev eating a hemi even if it's a digi-cam from the passager's seat!

Say it don't spray it people. Simple as this 5.3 Chevy vs. 5.7 Hemi. Drivers Race. Chevy is better....

Say it don't spray it people. Simple as this 5.3 Chevy vs. 5.7 Hemi. Drivers Race. Chevy is better....

Sorry dude, it's never that simple. :iceslolan

Didn't ANY magazine ever do STANDARD 1/4 mile tests on these vehicles and publish them?
Hasn't ANYONE run a bone stock hemi or chevy down the track?

Let's see some numbers man!

ok now we can get back to it! someone get me a vid of a chev eating a hemi even if it's a digi-cam from the passager's seat!
Your wish is my command. I'll go hunt one down this weekend for ya! :grinyes:

You have confirmed my first point. "You select the vehicle that has the attributes you want. You selected the Chevy because it had the attributes you were looking for. In this case, those attributes were the aftermarket support for that particular vehicle.

Regarding the street racing thing, I have to admit, I thought you were talking about street racing. I've read so many lame-brain posts regarding street racing kills, I simply thought you were contributing. Sorry if I pegged you wrong on that one.

Finally, the vehicle insurance isn't as bad as you might think. The 5 trucks and 2 vans are insured as work vehicles, and carry 5 million dollar policies on them. Actually it only breaks down to about $150.00 a month per truck (about $13k a year) . The cars are insured seperately.
...and the Dart is covered by my home owners insurance when it's in the garage, my truck insurance when it's in tow, and Racers Insurance when it's on the track.

I'm glad I just have the one to pay for. It keeps me enough money in the pocket to keep on blowing it on the truck. :naughty:

you da man slowprocess! we know you can eat them for breakfast lunch and dinner! seen you vid VERY NICE! you have to get a pic of the driver's face....but anyone with a 5.3 willing to try? oh and jeverret way to eat a stang! keep up the good work! hungry trucks have to eat. ive done the corvette tranny thing now thinking S/C? for engine mod not sure where else to get the juice without major overhaul beside's cam? and ya i did the air box mod with a kand n filter, chopped the egr bla bla bla..

I haven't come across any dodges that wanted a race, and the way I see it, thats the only way Ill ever really find out if I can take him.
And by the way, its always funny when you take down a Mustang...

I haven't come across any dodges that wanted a race, and the way I see it, thats the only way Ill ever really find out if I can take him.
And by the way, its always funny when you take down a Mustang...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

All I can say is take it to the track, man. Those are the only "kills" that count anyway.

I finally took a HEMI Wednesday night! I was at Hooters, before a concert, and it started raining (like that's important). Well, the old boy that I ran in stock form started his shit again, so when we were leaving, we both happened to line up at a redlight. The road was slick and on takeoff I spun thorugh the intersection (damn thing wouldnt quit spinnin!!) I though he had me. Well, how wrong was I. Once the tires hooked up, he was through dealing. His mods are a FIPK, duals and TBS..the same thing I have EXCEPT the Nelson tune. Trust me, Hemi's arent all that.

:disappoin
Sorry, not doubting your word, but, when it comes to people talking about their rides, I've learned two things in life:
1. Street racing proves NOTHING. Too many variables.
2. Believe nothing you hear (read) and only half of what you see ( pics and vids can be modified, too).

BTW, that really is a good looking truck you got there, though. :bigthumb:

:disappoin
Sorry, not doubting your word, but, when it comes to people talking about their rides, I've learned two things in life:
1. Street racing proves NOTHING. Too many variables.
2. Believe nothing you hear (read) and only half of what you see ( pics and vids can be modified, too).

BTW, that really is a good looking truck you got there, though. :bigthumb:

My 12.67 vid was "modified". :grinyes: I really ran a 10, but I didn't want to make people too jealous. :biggrin: Just bustin your chops, man. I wish I did know how to "modify" video clips. I do good just to get them online. If I could, I would have the only 9 sec nbs truck running around anywhere. :biggrin:

What about a chevy 5.7 vortec vs a chevy 5.3 vortec? What has more power? what has more Torque?

My 12.67 vid was "modified". :grinyes: I really ran a 10, but I didn't want to make people too jealous. :biggrin: Just bustin your chops, man. I wish I did know how to "modify" video clips. I do good just to get them online. If I could, I would have the only 9 sec nbs truck running around anywhere. :biggrin:

I know what you mean, I'm not good at it either. My son works for one of the local TV network affiliates, and you should see what thay can do!!!! The line between reality, and wishful thinking is easily crossed, and well hidden.

One of the things he did was to photoshop one of my trucks. When he showed me the finished product, my reply was "...Hmmm, nice truck. Who's is it? Turns out it was one of mine, but I didn't recognize it at all.

He can modify videos just as easily, and just as well. It's amazing, and a little frightening. It seems to me that any of todays news organizations could, if they wanted to, manufacture a news story, and back it up with photos or a video, and we would be hard pressed to refute it.

I know there are some really great looking trucks around, and some trully quick ones, too. I've simply learned that there are also a lot of lame posters who are good with a computer, and can actually give you a pic or a vid to back up their lie. Because of that, I take everything I see on the net with a grain of salt. That's why I don't buy any of the street kill stories. At least at a drag strip, you got a time slip to be to back you up. Although I supposed those can be faked, too. Most dragstrips keep a computerized record of every run, and have no reason to falsely modify them. I suppose if you were truly interested, you could track down the truth.

In any case, I enjoy reading about the street "kills", but I don't believe any of the posts, at all. I think they make for great imaginative fiction, and wishful thinking, but if we were to believe every killl story, I would have to believe that there are nitro burning pick-ups roving the streets of every city and town in two countries. Every Chevy driver would have the fastest truck on every Chevy board, and likewise for Ford owners on Ford boards, and Dodge's, too. I'm not saying everyone is lying, but I believe MOST of these stories are BS, and I don't think I'm good enough to sort them out. It's easier to just take them all as what they are; War Stories that become more and more embellished each time they're told.

Some of the story tellers are actually pretty good, too! We've all seen the the stories in which the tell sets up the seen and te characters, and then gives us a shift by shift play of the action, and then adds the finally. It makes for a good read, but probably has little to do with the facts.

What about a chevy 5.7 vortec vs a chevy 5.3 vortec? What has more power? what has more Torque?

The 350 vortech or the LS1 346? I'm pretty sure both are 5.7L, one was a pre-LS1 and the 346 being the newer one. If you mean the old vortech, the 5.3L stock has more guts, period. More horsepower/torque overall better motor. The 5.7L LS1 is better than the 5.3L. Again, more horsepower/torque and lighter being that it is an aluminum block.

The old 350 vortech was the man of the day, but if you get out of a stock 5.3L into a stock 350 vortech, you can really tell how far technology has come.

The 350 vortech or the LS1 346? I'm pretty sure both are 5.7L, one was a pre-LS1 and the 346 being the newer one. If you mean the old vortech, the 5.3L stock has more guts, period. More horsepower/torque overall better motor. The 5.7L LS1 is better than the 5.3L. Again, more horsepower/torque and lighter being that it is an aluminum block.

The old 350 vortech was the man of the day, but if you get out of a stock 5.3L into a stock 350 vortech, you can really tell how far technology has come.

This is where I get confused. Example my dad had a 1967 conv. stingray corrvette with a 327 350 hp engine I have a 1968 SS396 elcamino with same 350HP but my big block was way more torque than his, no comparison. His was faster, but that's another issue.So these HP ratings I really don't understand. His A 5.3 more powerful than a larger cubic inch 5.7. How does make up for the lack of displacement ? Heads?, cam?.....And I'm referring stock truck engines in 99 they switched to a 326 or 5.3.

The 350 vortech or the LS1 346? I'm pretty sure both are 5.7L, one was a pre-LS1 and the 346 being the newer one. If you mean the old vortech, the 5.3L stock has more guts, period. More horsepower/torque overall better motor. The 5.7L LS1 is better than the 5.3L. Again, more horsepower/torque and lighter being that it is an aluminum block.

The old 350 vortech was the man of the day, but if you get out of a stock 5.3L into a stock 350 vortech, you can really tell how far technology has come.

That's not exactly true. The Vortec 5.7 (2nd gen block, like the LT-1) has more torque at a lower rpm then the new Vortec 5.3 (based on the LS1 as you know).

The 5.7L Vortecs had 250/255 hp (96s had 250, 97-99 had 255) and 335 lbs-tq vs. 270/285/295/310 hp and 325/330 lbs-tq (depends on the model year for how much power the 5.3 has) and all at a lower rpm (dont know the exact rpm, but the Vortec 350's peak torque comes before 4000 rpms).

I've driven both Vortec 5.7s and 5.3s, and honestly, there is not that big of a difference. The 5.3 revs quicker and faster, but the 5.7 has a much stronger feeling bottom end, and MOST people will say for towing, they prefer the Vortec 350. In a flat out drag race, yeah, the new 5.3 would beat the Vortec 5.7, but not untill the upper rpm range.

I like em both, lol. The new 5.3s are very strong indeed, and dont seem to ever quit pulling, but I dont think they are THAT much better then the Vortec 5.7.

About the Hemi and Dodge, well all GM has to do to regain bragging rights is to use the LQ9 Vortec 6.0 in the half-ton trucks (345 hp, 380 lbs-tq) and that would stop all talk about "does that thing have a Hemi".

Chevytruck92: You commented about th elength of time my truck was in the shop, "(2.5 weeks seems like along time to me for a mechanical problem at a professional garage)."
My truck was at the local Chevy dealer for 12 working days to replace a blown 5.3L V8. The first replacement engine they installed only rane for 5 minutes before a crack in the block was noticed by one of the techs. The second replacement engine was ordered and installed, and the dealer kept the truck for another day just to check the new installation out more closely.
That doesn't seem like a "long time" to me, at all.



Sounds fair enough. I guess they had to order both engines which probably took 3-5 days to get there. Oh well.

Good luck with the diesel purchase. I think that's what I want to get when I get out of a school and get a "real" job, lol. I am one of those diehard GM people, so I'm def. going to go with a GM product (I really like the way the 3/4-ton GMCs look).

All that is still a little while off though, so I'll be sticking with my '92 Silverado, with 127,xxx mostly trouble free miles (I've put about half of those on it-my Dad and Grand Dad put the rest).

That's not exactly true. The Vortec 5.7 (2nd gen block, like the LT-1) has more torque at a lower rpm then the new Vortec 5.3 (based on the LS1 as you know).

The 5.7L Vortecs had 250/255 hp (96s had 250, 97-99 had 255) and 335 lbs-tq vs. 270/285/295/310 hp and 325/330 lbs-tq (depends on the model year for how much power the 5.3 has) and all at a lower rpm (dont know the exact rpm, but the Vortec 350's peak torque comes before 4000 rpms).

I've driven both Vortec 5.7s and 5.3s, and honestly, there is not that big of a difference. The 5.3 revs quicker and faster, but the 5.7 has a much stronger feeling bottom end, and MOST people will say for towing, they prefer the Vortec 350. In a flat out drag race, yeah, the new 5.3 would beat the Vortec 5.7, but not untill the upper rpm range.

I like em both, lol. The new 5.3s are very strong indeed, and dont seem to ever quit pulling, but I dont think they are THAT much better then the Vortec 5.7.

About the Hemi and Dodge, well all GM has to do to regain bragging rights is to use the LQ9 Vortec 6.0 in the half-ton trucks (345 hp, 380 lbs-tq) and that would stop all talk about "does that thing have a Hemi".

Yeah, I actually forgot about the torque being higher on the older vortech. They will pull a 5.3L out of the hole(due to the torque), but it usually doesn't take long for the 5.3L to make up the difference. I have noticed, riding in several extended cab 5.3L, that they really don't pull worth a crap down low with no mods. They really wake up after the 1-2 shift though.

They have the LQ9 in a half-ton truck now, the vho package. It's an extended cab, but doesn't have the awd crap on it. It's a nice truck putting down very respectible numbers stock.

Sounds fair enough. I guess they had to order both engines which probably took 3-5 days to get there. Oh well.

Good luck with the diesel purchase. I think that's what I want to get when I get out of a school and get a "real" job, lol. I am one of those diehard GM people, so I'm def. going to go with a GM product (I really like the way the 3/4-ton GMCs look).

All that is still a little while off though, so I'll be sticking with my '92 Silverado, with 127,xxx mostly trouble free miles (I've put about half of those on it-my Dad and Grand Dad put the rest).

I had the truck towed in a on a Tuesday, and when I stopped by the following Friday, the truck was in the shop, with the hood removed, and a large hole where the engine was. There was also a plastic box sitting next to it that had just arrived that afternoon. They didn't even start the installation until the following Monday. It was a remanufactured engine, and only ran for a few minutes before one of the techs spotted steam coming from the side of the block. That's when I told them to order up a NEW engine from GM.
That was Wednesday, and the began the installation of the new engine the following Monday (again). I had them deliver the truck to my house on Thursday (some 16 calander days later). When I got home Thursday afternoon, the truck was in my driveway. I used it that Friday as a test run, and stopped by the dealership late Friday afternoon to sign the paperwork and the warranty on the new engine.

Regarding the new trucks, like I said, I'll be buying two of them. Presently I'm leaning toward the Ford F350 or F450 simply because they have a higher towing and carrying capacity than the GM or the Dodge. As far as engines are concerned, I really prefer the Commins, but the Fords are just better equipped to handle the workload. The Powerstroke is a damn good diesel, too. I've got some experience with both, and have put over 1/2 million miles on them. The one experience I have with the Izusu diesel wasn't good. By 200,000 miles, I had to replace a head, twice, and the injector pump once, and a cracked exhaust manifold once. With the Cummins and the P.S diesels, I didn't experience any of these issues, and put more than twice the miles on each of them.

I would love to be able to by a new GM truck with the GMC 671 diesel in it, but you can't do that anymore.

Speed isn't an issue with me. The ability to do a lot of work at low cost with minimal down time is a factor. The PS and the Cummins both have long and successful histories in this area, the Chevy/Izusu diesel doesn't have the years of data to back it up. I'm not saying it isn't a good diesel, I simply saying that it hasn't been truly proven yet.

I will be dropping close to $80,000 for two trucks I don't want to be part of GM's 5 year road test on these trucks. I'll leave that to the larger companies who can afford to do it, and to the loyalists who don't care about anything but a bowtie (sorry, no disrespect intended). I've got work to do, a budget to maintain, and customers who don't care if one of my trucks is out of service, they just want my crew on the job site.

All that said, I haven't made a decision, yet. The GM's aren't out of the question, but right now they are running third out of a choice among three. I do like the Allison Transmissions though. I've still got some time to make up my mind, and I'll be researching the value of each truck more closely during the next few month.

My buying criteria is a little different that yours. It doesn't include power windows and door locks, or leather seats, or carpetid floors, or beinf the fastest on my block, etc. My criteria differs in that I'm looking at payload, towing, longevity, and dependibility. Vinyl bench seats, and manual windows and door locks. I do equip all my trucks with A/C, and CD players, hands free phone hook ups, and tinted glass.

Unfortunately, you can't take people's word on these things, you have to go by the historic facts. I'm more interested in the actual recorded data on these vehicles than someones opinion of the brand. Opinions are most often skewed toward an individuals choice rather than facts.

Yeah, I actually forgot about the torque being higher on the older vortech. They will pull a 5.3L out of the hole(due to the torque), but it usually doesn't take long for the 5.3L to make up the difference. I have noticed, riding in several extended cab 5.3L, that they really don't pull worth a crap down low with no mods. They really wake up after the 1-2 shift though.

They have the LQ9 in a half-ton truck now, the vho package. It's an extended cab, but doesn't have the awd crap on it. It's a nice truck putting down very respectible numbers stock.

Re: the 5.7 vs. the 5.3, if given the choice, I'd take the 5.7L all day long. It's a proven work horse, and I've never experienced some of the issues the new gen Vortec engines have.
The 350 was just a good engine, plain and simple.

Re: the 5.7 vs. the 5.3, if given the choice, I'd take the 5.7L all day long. It's a proven work horse, and I've never experienced some of the issues the new gen Vortec engines have.
The 350 was just a good engine, plain and simple.

You're right about that. It was def. a proven work horse, and a good one at that. Now I've never had one, but my family has had both, and honestly, my Papaw's old 97 Silveardo ex-cab, 4WD with the 5.7L Vortec got better gas mileage then his new 04 Silveardo, ex-cab Z-71 with the 5.3L Vortec.

Back to the diesel issue. I would really look into the new PS diesels before I bought one simply becuase they had a ton of problems at their initial launch. Now the old 7.3L PS diesels were very good engines, the trucks wasn't too great though. The HD Fords with the diesel have a terrible problem with front ball joints from 99-04. I dont know about these updated 05s though.

Its true the Duramax's had their share of problems as well. I do know the first ones blowed head gaskets at or around 100k.

I dont know anything about the Cummins except that they are just way too loud for my likings, lol.

Yeah, I actually forgot about the torque being higher on the older vortech. They will pull a 5.3L out of the hole(due to the torque), but it usually doesn't take long for the 5.3L to make up the difference. I have noticed, riding in several extended cab 5.3L, that they really don't pull worth a crap down low with no mods. They really wake up after the 1-2 shift though.

They have the LQ9 in a half-ton truck now, the vho package. It's an extended cab, but doesn't have the awd crap on it. It's a nice truck putting down very respectible numbers stock.

That's all I've ever drove with the 5.3L (extended cab Z-71 trucks). They have tons of power but they are at their strongest at around 3000 rpms. I will say that the 03-up 5.3s seem to have more power then the 01s, and I think its becuase of hte throttle by wire system that was used starting in 03. They have a little bit better throttle response.

I heard about the VHO package, and it sounds cool enough, but I woudl still rather have the SS simply becuase it is AWD. But what I was thinking when I said GM needs to offer the LQ9 in regular half-ton trucks was putting it in the Z-71s or just any half-ton truck. That would give GM the most hp and torque in the class.

I've never driven a truck/suv with the LQ9, but i have driven a 02 2500HD with the 6.0 (I think it was like what you have now, the LQ4) with 300 hp and 360 lbs-tq. Now that truck had tons of power at any rpm, lol, and sounded great. It would pull any hill at about 55-60 mph without ever shifting out of OD, and all 800-1000 lbs in the bed did to it was make it ride better, lol.

Bah! I still won. :icon16: lol

That's all I've ever drove with the 5.3L (extended cab Z-71 trucks). They have tons of power but they are at their strongest at around 3000 rpms. I will say that the 03-up 5.3s seem to have more power then the 01s, and I think its becuase of hte throttle by wire system that was used starting in 03. They have a little bit better throttle response.

I heard about the VHO package, and it sounds cool enough, but I woudl still rather have the SS simply becuase it is AWD. But what I was thinking when I said GM needs to offer the LQ9 in regular half-ton trucks was putting it in the Z-71s or just any half-ton truck. That would give GM the most hp and torque in the class.

I've never driven a truck/suv with the LQ9, but i have driven a 02 2500HD with the 6.0 (I think it was like what you have now, the LQ4) with 300 hp and 360 lbs-tq. Now that truck had tons of power at any rpm, lol, and sounded great. It would pull any hill at about 55-60 mph without ever shifting out of OD, and all 800-1000 lbs in the bed did to it was make it ride better, lol.

I feel that the main reason these trucks seem to get faster every year is mainly in the tuning. The 99 models were extremely undertuned, as was shown on Atap. They had alot of false knock retard and other problems. I think GM has really began to get aggresive with the tuning. They still have a long way to go, though. My experiences with the old 5.7 was bad oil burning ones. The one I had really started burning the oil after the 90,000 mark. My 4.8L never burned oil. I also felt the 4.8L and the 5.7L had about the same amount of horsepower. They pulled about the same in the mid/high end it seems. They also ran similar times with similar mods.
Yeah, the LQ4 6.0L is pretty tough, especially when you stuff it in a 4300lb truck and get some work done to it. :biggrin: I would take the vho over the ss for the same reason you would take the ss over the vho, the awd. I really don't like it, because it kills the mid-high end on those trucks. My first encounter with one was at the track. He actually beat me in the 60ft, but it fell way out of site right after that. It ended up running a 14.9 to my 12.8. I also found out that ecsb I ran my 12.6 on had an LQ9 in it. He went 13 flat. That was an extremely fast extended cab.

I feel that the main reason these trucks seem to get faster every year is mainly in the tuning. The 99 models were extremely undertuned, as was shown on Atap. They had alot of false knock retard and other problems. I think GM has really began to get aggresive with the tuning. They still have a long way to go, though. My experiences with the old 5.7 was bad oil burning ones. The one I had really started burning the oil after the 90,000 mark. My 4.8L never burned oil. I also felt the 4.8L and the 5.7L had about the same amount of horsepower. They pulled about the same in the mid/high end it seems. They also ran similar times with similar mods.
Yeah, the LQ4 6.0L is pretty tough, especially when you stuff it in a 4300lb truck and get some work done to it. :biggrin: I would take the vho over the ss for the same reason you would take the ss over the vho, the awd. I really don't like it, because it kills the mid-high end on those trucks. My first encounter with one was at the track. He actually beat me in the 60ft, but it fell way out of site right after that. It ended up running a 14.9 to my 12.8. I also found out that ecsb I ran my 12.6 on had an LQ9 in it. He went 13 flat. That was an extremely fast extended cab.

I've never drove a 4.8, but I have rode in one. It was just the base model extended cab 4WD. No carpet, no CD player, no chrome. Just plain jane, but man it would FLY! I honestly think it had more power then the 5.3s. Now I never drove it, but just from riding in it, lol, it felt stronger then the 5.3s. I assume it would be somewhat lighter, but not tha tmuch lighter. Either way, it would just scream for a 4WD truck with a small V-8.

People in my family had the 5.7L Vortecs, and they never had any oil consumption problems, but they never kept the trucks more then 50k. Now my 92 with the TBI 5.7L doesn't use a drop and it has 127,xxx. It feels as strong in the bottom end as the new 5.3s, but not in the upper rpm range.

Two of my trucks have 4.8's in them. One has 110,xxx miles and the other about 50,000 miles. Both seem to be very good engines. The truck with the 110K miles has never had a repair that wasn't a recall. The engine doesn't use any oil between changes, and has plenty of pep, but it all above 3k rpm. It's an LS, so it has more creature comforts than some of the other trucks, and I've used it as a daily driver for a while, too. It's a good truck. Wish I could say the same for a couple of the 5.3's I've got or had.

If I were considering another light duty truck, it wouldn't bother me if it had a 4.8. Good engine.

Two of my trucks have 4.8's in them. One has 110,xxx miles and the other about 50,000 miles. Both seem to be very good engines. The truck with the 110K miles has never had a repair that wasn't a recall. The engine doesn't use any oil between changes, and has plenty of pep, but it all above 3k rpm. It's an LS, so it has more creature comforts than some of the other trucks, and I've used it as a daily driver for a while, too. It's a good truck. Wish I could say the same for a couple of the 5.3's I've got or had.

If I were considering another light duty truck, it wouldn't bother me if it had a 4.8. Good engine.

That's cool. I'm sure the 4.8L would be good enough, but I"m also pretty sure the one I mentioned was a ringer, lol. It was just super strong, lol. It felt strong at no matter what rpm, of course it was the base model and it only had 245 series tires.

If I were getting a new 1/2-ton truck though, I'd go for the 5.3 simply for the extra 35 lbs-tq. I'm not sure how well the 4.8 would handle a trailer weighing around 3500 lbs. I know that's well within their limits, but in the real world, 3500 lbs will effect how a truck performs, especially in a hilly region. Actually, I think if I could get a new 1/2-ton truck, I'd go with the SS and get the LQ9 6.0 with its 345 hp and 380 lbs-tq. A truck like that would look good pulling a racecar!

I want a 3/4-ton truck though, and probably with a diesel (even though I'm not much of a fan on diesels and their high initial and maintanence cost). The 6.0L that comes in 2500HD Silveardos is very strong, but they are gas hogs from way back, and I'm positive the 8.1 would be even worse!

One of my trucks is an 8.1, the truck is a 2001 3500HD. If I'm real nice to it, i can get 9 mpg. But to be fair, it's always loaded, and it pulls an 5500 lb twin dually trailer like stink. Except for the lousy gas milage, you don't even know the trailer is back there. It's one of the trucks I'm getting rid of, and replacing with a diesel.

You want to pull a race car? Do it with a Crew cab Diesel Dually :grinyes: That's arriving with class, man!!!

One of my trucks is an 8.1, the truck is a 2001 3500HD. If I'm real nice to it, i can get 9 mpg. But to be fair, it's always loaded, and it pulls an 5500 lb twin dually trailer like stink. Except for the lousy gas milage, you don't even know the trailer is back there. It's one of the trucks I'm getting rid of, and replacing with a diesel.

You want to pull a race car? Do it with a Crew cab Diesel Dually :grinyes: That's arriving with class, man!!!

Yes, Crew Cab Duallies are very nice! Crew Cab anythings are nice IMO.

Hopefully, in a couple years I'll be pulling that racecar in my sig in a 24 or 28ft enclosed trailer with either an Extended Cab or Crew Cab 2500HD Silverado/Sierra (I really love how the GMC 3/4-ton trucks look) with the Duramax and Allison transmission.

Untill then, it'll get pulled on that 18ft. trailer its settin on with either my dad's truck or my 92 Sivlerado, lol. Gotta graduate college before that other set up happens, lol.

The Titan has the numbers but require premium fuel with a 28 gallon fuel tank in south florida that's close to 70 dollars. I have a 2001 chevy silverado, 40 series flowmaster dual side outlets, KNN 77 series air intake system, chromed out, 4.8L, 4:10 gear ratio - torque on tap baby, requires 87 OCTANE!!!

I'm not sure where you got your info on the Titan because my manuel says 87 octane. Tweny eight gallon tank takes me around 48 bucks to fill. Just some FYI. Still get around 16 mpg though. Not bad considering its A V8 5.6 305 horsepower 9400 pound towing capacity...

Ahhh man, get a good tune..and have no other option but to burn 93 octane..like me. :)

where is this video of slow's ???i want to see it

It was on LS1Truck.com The link's been down for a couple of days though.

It was on LS1Truck.com The link's been down for a couple of days though.

I'll check out the link tonight when I get home, and if it's down, I have another server to go with. I'll post up the other link when I get off of work. :biggrin:

Greetings,

You posted:
"If I were getting a new 1/2-ton truck though, I'd go for the 5.3 simply for the extra 35 lbs-tq. I'm not sure how well the 4.8 would handle a trailer weighing around 3500 lbs. I know that's well within their limits, but in the real world, 3500 lbs will effect how a truck performs, especially in a hilly region. Actually, I think if I could get a new 1/2-ton truck, I'd go with the SS and get the LQ9 6.0 with its 345 hp and 380 lbs-tq. A truck like that would look good pulling a racecar! "

Below I posted the link to another thread where I described my new truck - a 2 wheel drive extended cab 1500 with the SS engine, SS transmission and limited appearance wheels, tires, and suspension. Its ALL stock - its 345 hp and I get 19.5 to 20.5 mpg. Lots of power for trailering and I'm almost 500 pounds lighter than an SS or 4x4 and $10,000 less than an SS too.

Didn't mean to intrude - just a thought.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=328799

White Lightening

Hello,
I've been meaning to do an engine swap in my 96 gmc jimmy and I happened to come acrossed this neato thread. Thanks for all the info. Everyone in the blazer thread seemed to think the 5.7 was the way to go, but now I like what the 5.3 can dish out. What kind of aftermarket upgrades does the 5.3 have? I know the 5.7 has about every upgrade known to man...

Hello,
I've been meaning to do an engine swap in my 96 gmc jimmy and I happened to come acrossed this neato thread. Thanks for all the info. Everyone in the blazer thread seemed to think the 5.7 was the way to go, but now I like what the 5.3 can dish out. What kind of aftermarket upgrades does the 5.3 have? I know the 5.7 has about every upgrade known to man...

Is the 5.7 lighter than the 5.3?

Hello,
I've been meaning to do an engine swap in my 96 gmc jimmy and I happened to come acrossed this neato thread. Thanks for all the info. Everyone in the blazer thread seemed to think the 5.7 was the way to go, but now I like what the 5.3 can dish out. What kind of aftermarket upgrades does the 5.3 have? I know the 5.7 has about every upgrade known to man...

Is the 5.7 lighter than the 5.3?

The 5.7L is lighter than the 5.3L. If I were going to do it, I would go ahead and get a 6.0L. Just about every part is interchangeable from the 5.7 and the 6.0L. The 5.7 is an aluminum block(hence the weight), but I just feel the 6.0L would hold up better in a heavier application, such as a truck. Just my :2cents: :smile:

My jimmy isn't a fullsize, but currently it has the cast iron 4.3 v6 in it. I've read that either v8 has been seen to get equal or even better gas milage than the 4.3. I was leaning toward the 5.7 because of its aluminum block and because of its popularity (being a 350 and all).

I'm planning on getting my motor used out of some fullsize silverado, but the vast variety of engines gm has put out over the past few years is making my v8 engine swap search daunting.

The 5.7L is lighter than the 5.3L. If I were going to do it, I would go ahead and get a 6.0L. Just about every part is interchangeable from the 5.7 and the 6.0L. The 5.7 is an aluminum block(hence the weight), but I just feel the 6.0L would hold up better in a heavier application, such as a truck. Just my :2cents: :smile:

If the 5.7L is out of a 98-up F-body it might interchange with the 6.0L. But the only thing the same on the 2nd gen small blocks and the 3rd gen (what the 4.8/5.3/6.0 is excluding the 6.0 in the new Vette and GTO), is the rod caps, lol.

The 3rd gen. blocks are completely different from the 1st/2nd gen.

The bore and stroke for the 3rd gen engines are:

Displacement Bore Stroke Rod Length Block
4.8 3.779in 3.268in 6.275in Iron
5.3 3.779in 3.622in 6.275in Iron
5.7 3.898in 3.622in 6.098in Aluminum
6.0 4.000in 3.622in 6.098in Iron

The bore and stroke for 1st/2nd gen 5.7 are: 4.000in bore with a 3.480in stroke and I believe a 5.7in rod. I don't think the pistons would work from a 3rd gen 6.0 to a 1st/2nd gen 5.7 becuase of the longer rod used in the newer engines. Even the new 327s (which are really 325s) bore and stroke are totally different, lol. The old 327s (1st gen blocks) had a 4.000in bore and a 3.25in stroke. I dont really know what the stock rod length was though.

I think even the firing order is different on the new gen. blocks, and any 5.7L he finds from a GM truck will be a 1st/2nd gen design with an iron block and I think iron heads. I know my truck has the 1st gen block which is iron with iron heads, but 96-99 GM C/K series trucks have the 2nd gen. It may have aluminum heads, but I'm not sure.

Enough about that though, how is your truck coming along? Have you got to race anymore or has everything closed for the season?

Greetings,

You posted:
"If I were getting a new 1/2-ton truck though, I'd go for the 5.3 simply for the extra 35 lbs-tq. I'm not sure how well the 4.8 would handle a trailer weighing around 3500 lbs. I know that's well within their limits, but in the real world, 3500 lbs will effect how a truck performs, especially in a hilly region. Actually, I think if I could get a new 1/2-ton truck, I'd go with the SS and get the LQ9 6.0 with its 345 hp and 380 lbs-tq. A truck like that would look good pulling a racecar! "

Below I posted the link to another thread where I described my new truck - a 2 wheel drive extended cab 1500 with the SS engine, SS transmission and limited appearance wheels, tires, and suspension. Its ALL stock - its 345 hp and I get 19.5 to 20.5 mpg. Lots of power for trailering and I'm almost 500 pounds lighter than an SS or 4x4 and $10,000 less than an SS too.

Didn't mean to intrude - just a thought.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=328799

White Lightening

Howdy. Well, that truck sounds like the perfect truck for the go-fast pick-up guys, but the reason I like the SS is becuase its AWD, lol. To me, a 2WD truck is useless, simply because of where I live (eastern KY). Now I'm not saying if I had an SS i'd be driving it in the salt covered snowy/icy roads in the winter, but it would be capable of some bad weather driving.

2WD fast trucks are very cool, and I would love to have one to mess around in, but for an everday all-weather driver (which is what I need/have), they wouldn't be practical.

Back on to the subject though, when I'm able to buy a new truck (Senior in college, one more semester to go), then it'll be a 3/4-ton HD Silverado/Sierra, possibly with the Duramax diesel, even though I don't paticularly care for diesels (which I have said a million times on here and to most everyone I know, lol. I could be calleda hypocrite if I ever have a diesel I suppose, lol).

Anyways, sounds like a cool truck you have, and congrats on the good MPG. You may or may not believe this, but my current truck (92 Silverado K1500, SWB, Regular cab, 4WD, 350, auto) gets 18.3-19.6 mpg with a mix of city and highway mileage. That's on 93 octane though along with 70 Series Flowmaster cat-back exhaust and Poweraid TB spacer, which DO make a difference in mileage.

Hey Chevytrucks, ya keep saying when you get out of school you're gonna have all this and that. That's what I thought, now here I am almost 4 years out of school making over 50k a year, and still can't afford crap (2000 GMC Z71 Ext cab 4x4 5.3). I spend most my money on my house and stereo first, though. House is cheap here in Montana, but other priorities kick in. Not trying to say that is everyone coming out of college, I am more just whining about not getting the air intake, programmer, exhaust, and other mods to push my pickup under 15 in the 1/4. :)

Hey Chevytrucks, ya keep saying when you get out of school you're gonna have all this and that. That's what I thought, now here I am almost 4 years out of school making over 50k a year, and still can't afford crap (2000 GMC Z71 Ext cab 4x4 5.3). I spend most my money on my house and stereo first, though. House is cheap here in Montana, but other priorities kick in. Not trying to say that is everyone coming out of college, I am more just whining about not getting the air intake, programmer, exhaust, and other mods to push my pickup under 15 in the 1/4. :)

Lol, I'll probably be saying the same thing in 4 years, lol.

If the 5.7L is out of a 98-up F-body it might interchange with the 6.0L. But the only thing the same on the 2nd gen small blocks and the 3rd gen (what the 4.8/5.3/6.0 is excluding the 6.0 in the new Vette and GTO), is the rod caps, lol.

The 3rd gen. blocks are completely different from the 1st/2nd gen.

The bore and stroke for the 3rd gen engines are:

Displacement Bore Stroke Rod Length Block
4.8 3.779in 3.268in 6.275in Iron
5.3 3.779in 3.622in 6.275in Iron
5.7 3.898in 3.622in 6.098in Aluminum
6.0 4.000in 3.622in 6.098in Iron

The bore and stroke for 1st/2nd gen 5.7 are: 4.000in bore with a 3.480in stroke and I believe a 5.7in rod. I don't think the pistons would work from a 3rd gen 6.0 to a 1st/2nd gen 5.7 becuase of the longer rod used in the newer engines. Even the new 327s (which are really 325s) bore and stroke are totally different, lol. The old 327s (1st gen blocks) had a 4.000in bore and a 3.25in stroke. I dont really know what the stock rod length was though.

I think even the firing order is different on the new gen. blocks, and any 5.7L he finds from a GM truck will be a 1st/2nd gen design with an iron block and I think iron heads. I know my truck has the 1st gen block which is iron with iron heads, but 96-99 GM C/K series trucks have the 2nd gen. It may have aluminum heads, but I'm not sure.

Enough about that though, how is your truck coming along? Have you got to race anymore or has everything closed for the season?

I think there was just a misunderstanding on what 5.7L we were all talking about.lol
I thought he was refering to wanting a new 5.7L LS1 (346) 97up-vette, and 98 up TA/Camaro, and not the older 5.7L (350) found in the older trucks. Nothing will be interchangable from the older 5.7L to the newer LS-style engines, like you posted. I was refering to interchangability as being the LS1 5.7L to the newer LS-style motors in these trucks(4.8L,5.3L,6.0L). Most of my performance parts are for the LS1 5.7L, such as my cam and springs, as well as my transmission performance parts. Headers off of a LS1 will bolt up to our engines, but need to be heated and slightly bend to clear the frame differences from the truck and the car. I see a great number of LS1 guys these truck heads(5.3L), due to the increased flow over the stock LS1 heads. Our intakes also flow as well if not better than the LS1 intake manifolds(although I AM trying to get my hands on a new LS2 intake manifold. It's going to be some work modifiying it to work, but it is said that it flows better than the F.A.S.T LS6 intake that is so popular with these guys). My bud has a 2000 silverado with an LS1 5.7L in it, and he loves it due to weight reduction and the increased horsepower of the 5.7 over his old 5.3L. Well, I say 5.7L, but he actually punched it out to a 408. :evillol: All of his accessories bolted on from his 5.3L, and he only had to modify one bracket to make it all work. He currently has the F.A.S.T intake system. He went 11.78 ALL MOTOR! So far, that is the fastest all motor new body style truck I have ever seen or heard of.

Anyway,my truck is still kicking hard down the track. I'm going to Greenville(local track)tonight to see if I can hook it in this cold weather, then I'm driving 5 hrs to Hattiesburg Sunday to race in a little high 50-low 60 degree weather to see if I can get in the low 12s. I ordered my underdrive pulleys, so they should be here soon. Should be good for another 2-3 tenths.

Well, good luck with it.

Its good that all the parts from the 3rd gen engines interchange, becuase that is what made Chevrolets so popular with racing.

Well, good luck with it.

Its good that all the parts from the 3rd gen engines interchange, becuase that is what made Chevrolets so popular with racing.

Indeed. I thank the GM head guys for making our motors so similar. It really opened up the doors for our aftermarket. :biggrin:

Indeed. I thank the GM head guys for making our motors so similar. It really opened up the doors for our aftermarket. :biggrin:

Yeah, that is good.

It's good that they are also still push-rod engines as well. I know alot of people think this is a bad thing, but it really is a good thing. It keeps the actual size of the engine small AND cost down. Plus, push-rod motors make really good low end power.

Yeah, that is good.

It's good that they are also still push-rod engines as well. I know alot of people think this is a bad thing, but it really is a good thing. It keeps the actual size of the engine small AND cost down. Plus, push-rod motors make really good low end power.

I understand that Ford is developing a new push-rod V8, and it should be ready around 2009. Must be something to those little steel rods. Ford dropped a lot of money doing R&D on those OHC engines, for them to go back to push rods will cost another fortune.

I understand that Ford is developing a new push-rod V8, and it should be ready around 2009. Must be something to those little steel rods. Ford dropped a lot of money doing R&D on those OHC engines, for them to go back to push rods will cost another fortune.

They'll spend anything to catch up. heh,heh :iceslolan

Greetings,

I don't mean to sound stupid - but then - maybe I am. A friend of mine is a dedicated Chevy guy - and always mentions about push rod engines. Now I'm a 2004 Chevy truck owner and love mine. But what is the deal about push rod versus OHC? Thanks.

White Lightening

I'm not sure about the actual dynamic differences, but it always seemed to me that pushrod engines developed more torque at lower rpm, while OHC engines were high rev'ers. Torque vs. Horse Power.

GM has gone down the OHC road before. Remember the Olds OHC inline 6's of the early 70's. What a joke. And the OHC 4 banger. Europianized American cars.

I think OHC's lend themselves more to road racing than truck engines. In any case, I recently read that Ford is in the R&D stages of a new pushrod engine. I don't think they would spend that money if the SOHC and DOHC engines were doing everything they wanted, or expected.

It's very possible that Ford will run both types of engines in the future. using the OHC as a car engine, and the pushrod engine for trucks. But that would seem to be a very expensive proposition.

Just my :2cents:

Greetings Frankendart,

Thanks for your answer regarding pushrod versus OHC benefits. Still - if Ford is testing the idea of a new p[ushrod engine - it would be a huge decision process about-face. They just spent a pile of money on the new F-150 5.4 engine in 2004, redoing quite a number of things to make it more competitive.

The other thing that is strange to me - is that the Nissan is such a nice engine as well - and that one is OHC.

However - you have to tip your cap to Chevy for their LQ9 engine. No Turbo, Hemi, or Super Charger or similar mechanical "stuff" yet my LQ9 V8 Vortec 6000 has 345 horse power and 380 foot pounds and nice torque curve in the 1400 to 2000 range with my 3.73 axle ratio on my 2004 rwd 1500. With the power, torque, and smoothness - I still maintain 20 mpg highway or better. I'm not sure what the rwd Nissan does - but I don't think their numbers are that good with the OHC.

White Lightening

I understand that Ford is developing a new push-rod V8, and it should be ready around 2009. Must be something to those little steel rods. Ford dropped a lot of money doing R&D on those OHC engines, for them to go back to push rods will cost another fortune.

I read a small article about that in MT a couple months ago, that there was a possibility that Ford would go back to using push-rod engines, but didn't know they was serious about it.

I've also heard that Toyota may be goign to use a push-rod engine for their Tundra (or a possible heavy-duty truck). Now this is a rumor, but sicne Toyota joined the Craftsman Truck series, they HAD to use a push-rod engine, and if they get into to the Nextul Cup, they will HAVE to use a push-rod engine.

You know, that would be just somethign for guys like me (pro push rod) something to laugh at! It seems like everybody thinks that OHC is leaps and bounds better then push rods (mainly becuase of the media), when in reality, push rod engines usually make more torque and more hp, and get better fuel economy, lol (atleast GMs do).

Greetings,

I don't mean to sound stupid - but then - maybe I am. A friend of mine is a dedicated Chevy guy - and always mentions about push rod engines. Now I'm a 2004 Chevy truck owner and love mine. But what is the deal about push rod versus OHC? Thanks.

White Lightening

Well, push rod engine, while usually bigger in displacement then OHC, are MUCH smaller in size then smaller displacement OHC engines. Just go and look at your Vortec 6.0, and then go and look at a Tritan 4.6 (or any Modular Motor). You will probably think your engine is the 4.6 and theirs is the 6.0.

The reason for that big size for OHC is becuase the cam is located "over" the head, where as push rod motors have only one cam, located inside the block. And so, that's why the heads are so huge on OHC engines.

Now, what OHC engines do better then push rod engiens is rev. Its not uncommon for OHC engines to redline close to 7000 rpms (talking about V-8s, 4 and 6-cylinder OHC engines go well above 8000 rpms), where most push rod engines redline at 6000 (although the 3rd gen GM small blocks rev as high as 6500). The reason OHC engines can handle higher rpms is becuase of a free-er valve train. Basically, the cam is responsible for opening the valves in an OHC, where as in a push rod (OHV) engine, the cam forces a lifter to push the push rod that opens the valves.

Ultimetly, OHV engines are much cheaper to produce, and much more user friendly (that's why they are all you see in racing), and don't take up nearly as much space as an OHC.

Plus, they have that great, deep, rumble of an exhaust note, lol.

Thanks guys for the info on OHC versus pushrod. These chat threads really are interesting learning more about trucks like mine.

White Lightening

my friends dad just got this dodge pace car truck with the 5.7 hemi and my friends gmc denali truck with the 6.0 roasted his ass

I comletely disagree. I drive a 2500 with a hemi & a raced a 2500 chevy with the same body config. and i smoked him. No competition. I beat him by at least 6 car lengths.

I was behind at 1 car length STOCK against a lightly modded Hemi. Hemi's suck balls. I had just as much power (way more after my tune) and still got 5+ mpg better. Mine was a Z71 also.

I think I've posted this before, but I felt like it again!

I comletely disagree. I drive a 2500 with a hemi & a raced a 2500 chevy with the same body config. and i smoked him. No competition. I beat him by at least 6 car lengths.


Any idea what was in the Chevy? The only way you did this is:

A) You were "imaginary" racing the guy (you though you were racing him, but he had no idea what was going on), or

B) The Chevy had a diesel

I drove an '05 Dodge 2500 2WD single cab, stripped down work truck at work about a year ago. It was the new "hemi" and automatic, and was nothing to get excited about until you pulled it up to the gas pump. It's just another truck, and I think they may have finally fixed the front ends so the ball joints don't separate. Terrible ride, too, but it WAS a work truck after all. The '04 F-250 they had was a lot better ride, and moved a lot better with the 331" Triton (two-valve) and automatic.

Any idea what was in the Chevy? The only way you did this is:

A) You were "imaginary" racing the guy (you though you were racing him, but he had no idea what was going on), or

B) The Chevy had a diesel


If the chevy had the duramax diesel, then it would have blown the hemi out of the water. Those diesels are extremely FAST!!! Not the old clackers of the past.

I comletely disagree. I drive a 2500 with a hemi & a raced a 2500 chevy with the same body config. and i smoked him. No competition. I beat him by at least 6 car lengths.

2500 silverados are slow. My cousin has one and it slow cause it weighs alot. When my truck had the v6, i would beat him. Both stocks.

If the chevy had the duramax diesel, then it would have blown the hemi out of the water. Those diesels are extremely FAST!!! Not the old clackers of the past.
You mean the duramax would have blown apart trying to catch that Dodge

you know what is gonna spank the crap out of any stock pickup including the silvy ss and that one dodge rumbler truck with the rear spoiler thing? my truck... its a 73 chevy that is from the era that trucks werent anywhere near 6000 pounds and whatnot...i think if im not mistaken that it weighs in the 4000's somewhere... anyways, its got a 3 speed auto (th400) and a 12 bolt posi rearend that i cant seem to destroy no matter how hard i try. also, it is sitting in the garage awaiting the main attraction... a 350 bored .030 over with a 3.75inch stroke crank from a 400, which will make just slightly over 383 cubic inches, and will have 500lb/ft of torque and 450 horsepower, albeit only at the crank and with electric fans, which i cant afford because of the motor lol... but then again the fan clutch will help minimize power loss.

by the way, the horsepower specs given my manufacturers... are they regular at the crank style or are they at the wheels.... and do newer trucks all run electric fans nowdays?

im thinking this truck will be able to pull 13's in the quarter, prolly not much better due to the fact that it is a freakin truck lol...

also, whats the deal with that new 650lb/ft diesel from gm? did they just stick a bigger turbo on it or what lol?

you know what is gonna spank the crap out of any stock pickup including the silvy ss and that one dodge rumbler truck with the rear spoiler thing? my truck... its a 73 chevy that is from the era that trucks werent anywhere near 6000 pounds and whatnot...i think if im not mistaken that it weighs in the 4000's somewhere... anyways, its got a 3 speed auto (th400) and a 12 bolt posi rearend that i cant seem to destroy no matter how hard i try. also, it is sitting in the garage awaiting the main attraction... a 350 bored .030 over with a 3.75inch stroke crank from a 400, which will make just slightly over 383 cubic inches, and will have 500lb/ft of torque and 450 horsepower, albeit only at the crank and with electric fans, which i cant afford because of the motor lol... but then again the fan clutch will help minimize power loss.

by the way, the horsepower specs given my manufacturers... are they regular at the crank style or are they at the wheels.... and do newer trucks all run electric fans nowdays?

im thinking this truck will be able to pull 13's in the quarter, prolly not much better due to the fact that it is a freakin truck lol...

also, whats the deal with that new 650lb/ft diesel from gm? did they just stick a bigger turbo on it or what lol?

With that weight, hp, and tq, that truck should do much better than 13s. My truck weighed in at 4400lbs, probably making roughly 400-410 to the wheels on motor and went 12.40. With that extra 150hp on the button, it does "slightly" better. :grinyes:

lol problem is that im running stock "rally" rims with some narrow-ass tires lol so ill probably have to upgrade lol

In stock form, I raced a single cab short bed 2wd HEMI with my 99 Z71..a 4x4. He beat me by only 3 car lengths. Now that I have my Nelson tune, I feel positive that I can spank his ass. The new HEMI's aren't all everyone thinks they are.


True True, I smoked the crap out of a Hemi with my silverado, Hemi trucks have gotten famous, but theyre not all that........well at least when they're being compared to chevy..........right?

I have the 05 VHO Silvy. (6.0). It's fast. For a stock truck. It's really fast. I can't say I've really really raced anything impressive, but no trucks have taken me off the line or down the road yet. (Again, I'm not out racing it all the time so... take that for what its worth) Almost 10,000 miles and not a problem yet. (knocking on head) Of course it might help that it's mostly my wifes truck (see name) and she takes AWESOME care of it.
I had a 2000 dodge dakota, (which i really liked) with the 5.9 magnum. I have to admit that motor was great in my book. 60,000 before I got rid of it and NOT A SINGLE PROBLEM. Great response from that motor too.
All in all i am a CHEVY guy, but to each his own.
AND TO ME MY CHEVY.... err... my wifes chevy.:grinyes:

Here are some vids of my truck, dunno if it helps much, but at the track were a few trucks, and the Hemi Ram, with equal mods, ran a consistant 15.7, while I was hitting 15.1 - 15.01 @ 91-92MPH.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/de3458c3-9ec7-4448-ad40-98570000e9d1.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/silverado/1/516f9e16-0ec4-480d-ad7b-982e016c1563.htm

I did a little research and Chevy by far has the most Horse power in it's class if you include the Vortec Max 6.0L
Now having said that.. Chevy does not do so good on torque. IN fact it is a little better than Toyota's tinny 4.7L. Now you have to consider weight as well. Chevy is the heaviest of all the trucks. I was really surprised. I figured Dodge would be the heavy one. Now Ford did not post there Curb weight, but I would suspect to be pretty close dodge, maybe a little more.
So depending on the road conditions and driver experience, I could see many different senarios happening.
BTW.. these are pulled from 2007 models from the manufacters website.
I love Chevy and I always will. but I will tell you, it is becoming harder and harder to choose. I am pretty envious of some of the other trucks, whether it be looks, power, torque and even options.

Nissan
Endurance 5.6-liter DOHC 32-valve V8 engine
317 hp @ 5,200 rpm
385 lb-ft of torque @ 3,400 rpm
5097 Curb Weight

Ford
5.4L Triton® SOHC 24-valve V8
330 CID
300@5,000
365@3,750
7200 GVWR

Dodge
5.7L Hemi® V8
345 hp
375 lb-ft of torque
4919 curb
6300 GVWR

Toyota
4.7-liter DOHC 32-valve EFI
V8 with VVT-i
271 hp @ 5400 rpm;
313 lb.-ft. @ 3400 rpm
4785 Curb
6300 GVWR

Chevy
Vortec 5.3L Aluminum Block v8
327 cid
Horsepower @ rpm 315 @ 5,200
Torque (lb.-ft.) @ rpm 338 @ 4,400

Vortec MAX 6.0L V8
364 CID
Horsepower @ rpm 367 @ 5,500
Torque (lb.-ft.) @ rpm 375 @ 4,300
5265 Curb weight
7200 GVWR

in from the dodge side of the forum.....i think the hemi is nice and cool....but im still for the old style magnum 318/360.......2 of the best motors created next to the chevy 350